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"The Bem Sex Role Inventory Test" (http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=9417365772332679709)

The Bem Sex Role Inventory was developed in 1971 by Dr. Sandra Lipsitz Bem. It characterizes your personality as masculine, feminine, androgynous, or undifferentiated. The BSRI is based on gender stereotypes, so what it's actually measuring is how well you fit into your traditional sex role. Thus, your score says as much about how our cultural expectations have changed over the last 35 years as it does about your personality.

The test consists of a list of 30 personal attributes. Rate each attribute on how accurately it describes you. (The original BSRI had 60 questions and offered seven choices for each attribute, but long tests are boring and OKCupid only allows four answers per question. Not that it makes much difference...)

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 60% masculinity and 60% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

LOL! I got this, and if you know me, you'd know why I'm laughing.

Your Score: Androgynous

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/104/586/104586339575466522/mt1116621575.jpg

You scored 66% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

Your Score: Androgynous

You scored 73% masculinity and 50% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

Androgynous. 66% masculinity and 60% femininity.

Sounds about right.

60% and 60%, androgynous. I'm beginning to suspect that this test gives roughly the same results to everyone.

I'd predict it'll say I'm balanced. Everyone tells me I hold my cigarette like a gay guy though.

60% and 60%, androgynous. I'm beginning to suspect that this test gives roughly the same results to everyone.

That's a possibility. It's also possible that the NSG sample population is skewed. It's a bit soon to tell.

Your Score: Feminine
You scored 33% masculinity and 86% femininity!

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 3% on masculinity

You scored higher than 97% on femininity

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 73% masculinity and 83% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles


Looks like my feminine side is quite developed, despite a very strong masculinity score as well.

Must be the innate "good guy/mother hen" in me.

I'm proud to say I try to nurture the best of both sides of me, while weeding out the worst of both.

Your Score: Masculine
You scored 53% masculinity and 40% femininity!

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/104/586/104586339575466522/mt1116620693.jpg

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.
My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:


You scored higher than 32% on masculinity

You scored higher than 8% on femininity

Thats ironic because a lot of my friends say that I am afeminent. People say that I act like Niles from the sitcom Frasier.

Androgynous

You scored 76% masculinity and 53% femininity!

Jeez! We're all mutants! :p

Your Score: Feminine
You scored 33% masculinity and 83% femininity!

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

: S

Androgynous, 63% masculinity, 72% femininity.

Your Score: Feminine
You scored 33% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 5% on masculinity
You scored higher than 58% on femininity

I'm a hetero male btw. :)

You scored 86% masculinity and 20% femininity!

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.

You scored higher than 95% on masculinity

You scored higher than 2% on femininity

Nice, apparently I'm as manly as I think I am :D

I'm a hetero male btw. :)

Don't worry, we love you still :) :fluffle:

Jeez! We're all mutants! :p

It's a combo platter of an outdated test (gender roles have changed a lot in the last 37 years) and a skewed sample - NSGers are by definition weird mutant creatures from beyond II.

Your Score: Undifferentiated
You scored 23% masculinity and 46% femininity!

You scored low on both masculinity and femininity. Your personality includes characteristics of both traditional sex roles, but your gender is not strongly defined.

(gender roles have changed a lot in the last 37 years)

How so? I know a lot of people that fit the roles pretty well...

How so? I know a lot of people that fit the roles pretty well...

Well, they haven't changed for older generations. Just for the younger ones such as I.

Masculine was in the 70s, and I think the feminine score was in the 20s. So, masculine personality or whatever.

Well, they haven't changed for older generations. Just for the younger ones such as I.

Not for everyone.

Not for everyone.

So some young men these days still think they have to pretend they don't have any emotions except anger or aggressiveness? Some young women still think they ought to stay at home and be good little breeding machines for their hard-working husbands?

Sure, some of them still exists. But for the vast majority of people my age, gender roles are a lot more blurred than they used to. No man is going to get goaded for cooking dinner once in a while or washing the dishes. Nor will he be scorned for showing affection to his children, or even his friends. No woman is going to be ostracized for engaging in such unwomanly conduct as renovating and working around the house, or mowing the lawn. No woman is expected to stay at home and take care of the kids, giving up the idea of a career, unless she decides she wants to.

Your Score: Feminine

You scored 40% masculinity and 66% femininity!

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/104/586/104586339575466522/mt1133616038.jpg

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 13% on masculinity

You scored higher than 69% on femininity



straight male though

So some young men these days still think they have to pretend they don't have any emotions except anger or aggressiveness?

Try "most." Sad but true.

(Oh, I forgot--obnoxious humor is allowed too.)

Try "most." Sad but true.

(Oh, I forgot--obnoxious humor is allowed too.)

Sad indeed, but at least the straight males of NSG doesn't seem like they fit the mold.

Sad indeed, but at least the straight males of NSG doesn't seem like they fit the mold.

I think it's much weaker over the Internet. Social pressures have less of an effect.

I think it's much weaker over the Internet. Social pressures have less of an effect.

Well, one could theorize that sociologically, straight males are afraid of nurturing their so-called "feminine side" or admitting their feelings for fear of being labeled gay. Young men who repress their emotions or always channel them in unhealthy ways like violence are bound to end up with psychological problems and unresolved issues, like so many of my father's generation ended up. (My own father included).

Which would actually underline homophobia's status as a very serious societal problem. But that would be going on a tangent out of the realm of this thread.

I, for one, applaud all men who allow themselves to care, love, show affection and generally be awesome human beings. Nurturing, gentleness, and many other such qualities should by no way be considered female specialties; every last one of us regardless of gender ought to work on developing them.

I got Feminine

Your Score: Masculine
You scored 66% masculinity and 43% femininity!

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.


Cool....I guess. :p

You scored 63% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

I didn't think much of this test since, as it said, it was thirty-five years out of date. In most centuries that wouldn't mean much, but in this one it most definitely does.

Well, one could theorize that sociologically, straight males are afraid of nurturing their so-called "feminine side" or admitting their feelings for fear of being labeled gay.

I think the two are too interrelated to have such a unidirectional form of causation. We could just as easily say that people are homophobic because they're afraid of appearing feminine.

I, on the other side of things, am militantly opposed to heteronormativity and the gender system... in a decidedly aggressive and masculine way.

I think the two are too interrelated to have such a unidirectional form of causation. We could just as easily say that people are homophobic because they're afraid of appearing feminine.

And/or that homophobia, and fear of appearing feminine, are leftovers of old sexist rhetoric about women being inferior to men, and thus, effeminate men would be lowering themselves beyond their "natural" station.

Oh, yes. Outdated test about stereotypical gender roles of another age, how you make my little brain hamster run in his wheel.

You scored 70% masculinity and 36% femininity!

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 71% on masculinity

You scored higher than 5% on femininity

You scored 63% masculinity and 16% femininity!

Straight male.

Skaladora, I am the expection to that. I do have emotions, I admit that. It just takes a lot for me to care either way.

I'd say it's just the general cultural teachings regarding the genders are still mostly prevalent despite an overwhelming loosing up, as it were, of views on sex and sexual orientation. In other words, boys and girls are still taught the same general way, and thus the confusion lingers.

Whereas I wasn't taught that way, and I most certainly don't plan on teaching any possible future children of mine that way.

And/or that homophobia, and fear of appearing feminine, are leftovers of old sexist rhetoric about women being inferior to men, and thus, effeminate men would be lowering themselves beyond their "natural" station.

Patriarchy? Heterosexism? Gender roles? Something else? Which is most fundamental? Are any of them?

I don't claim to know, but I'm pretty sure that if we think we can solve them all by solving one, we're probably deluding ourselves.

Whereas I wasn't taught that way, and I most certainly don't plan on teaching any possible future children of mine that way.

Well, my parents certainly didn't teach me that way--quite the opposite--but I got it anyway.

As a child, I decided at some point--probably subconsciously--that if my fellow males were going to make everything into a contest about who has the biggest penis, I was going to use my own considerable talents to prove it was me. (Metaphorically speaking!)

Patriarchy? Heterosexism? Gender roles? Something else? Which is most fundamental? Are any of them?

I don't claim to know, but I'm pretty sure that if we think we can solve them all by solving one, we're probably deluding ourselves.

Probably. Which means that if we want to solve them all, then we have to work on all of them at the same time.

Which I'm all for, incidentally. All of those things are a thorn in my metaphorical side. They're stupid ideas, prejudices, unfounded stereotypes and arbitrary social constructs for the most part. And they're standing between us and real equality for all citizens. And I think we've reached a point in human evolution where we really could do away with them.

I'm a straight, 60-year-old female and this is how I scored!

Probably because I've been a single parent for more than half my life.

Your Score: MasculineYou scored 66% masculinity and 40% femininity!

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 64% on masculinity

You scored higher than 7% on femininity

See? No reason why old women couldn't be butch too!

Edit: This was a spur-of-the-moment post, and probably came out all wrong. I assure you that I mean no disrespect.

Probably. Which means that if we want to solve them all, then we have to work on all of them at the same time.

Which I'm all for, incidentally. All of those things are a thorn in my metaphorical side. They're stupid ideas, prejudices, unfounded stereotypes and arbitrary social constructs for the most part. And they're standing between us and real equality for all citizens. And I think we've reached a point in human evolution where we really could do away with them.

True, but that's not something easy to change. You're talking about the most fundamental aspect of human society, after all. You can't expect to just phase it out in one generation.

So some young men these days still think they have to pretend they don't have any emotions except anger or aggressiveness? Some young women still think they ought to stay at home and be good little breeding machines for their hard-working husbands?

Sure, some of them still exists. But for the vast majority of people my age, gender roles are a lot more blurred than they used to. No man is going to get goaded for cooking dinner once in a while or washing the dishes. Nor will he be scorned for showing affection to his children, or even his friends. No woman is going to be ostracized for engaging in such unwomanly conduct as renovating and working around the house, or mowing the lawn. No woman is expected to stay at home and take care of the kids, giving up the idea of a career, unless she decides she wants to.

They are less strict than before, but they are still present.

@soheren?

What the heck is heterosexism?

edit:

@kyronea:

They will never be phased out of society. Also, differing gender roles does not equal oppression.

@kyronea:

They will never be phased out of society. Also, differing gender roles does not equal oppression.

That depends on what exactly is meant by gender roles. In terms of a biological sense--that is, females being childbearers and males impregnaters--that won't change until we start messing around with our bodies a bit more.

But as for the social roles, most definitely yes they are oppressive, in numerous ways. I know it's hard for you, being the macho, "manly" man you are, to understand, but it is oppressive, even to you, because it dictates you can't be honest to yourself with your emotions and feelings, and that's rather hard on a person. There's a reason males generally tend not to live as long as women, and it's not because we're biologically weaker.

@soheren?

What the heck is heterosexism?

The ideology and expression of heterosexual domination.

They will never be phased out of society.

We can never make such judgments with any kind of certainty.

Also, differing gender roles does not equal oppression.

Defining people by what sex organs they happen to have does equal oppression.

Your Score: AndrogynousYou scored 63% masculinity and 66% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.


lawl. Not suprising though.

"You scored 73% masculinity and 13% femininity"

That's less masculine than I had hoped for, but I'm not about to take an online test such as this one all that seriously.

I'm probably going to get flamed by feminists for this, but my score doesn't really surprise me. I'm very old fashioned in terms of gender roles / identity. No, I'm not sexist, and I don't believe that women should stay at home and bake cakes all day while the man works.

I consider myself very libertarian, so if a woman chooses to act / dress / talk in a very masculine manner, then I would fully support their right to do so, ( I just wouldn't date or marry a woman like that). I don't have to like something or approve of something to defend another's right to it. Same feelings on gay marriage: I don't believe in it, or like the idea, but I am openly in favor of it being fully legal, because my ideas and opinions shouldn't have sway over how another person wants to live.

You scored 90% masculinity and 73% femininity!

I'm a gay, social democratic man.

I consider myself very libertarian, so if a woman chooses to act / dress / talk in a very masculine manner, then I would fully support their right to do so, ( I just wouldn't date or marry a woman like that). I don't have to like something or approve of something to defend another's right to it. Same feelings on gay marriage: I don't believe in it, or like the idea, but I am openly in favor of it being fully legal, because my ideas and opinions shouldn't have sway over how another person wants to live.

How could someone possibly be so nice, so generous, so tolerant?

*cries*

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 66% masculinity and 73% femininity!
You scored higher than 63% on masculinity.
You scored higher than 83% on femininity.

I guess that sounds about right...

"You scored 73% masculinity and 13% femininity"

That's less masculine than I had hoped for, but I'm not about to take an online test such as this one all that seriously.

I'm probably going to get flamed by feminists for this, but my score doesn't really surprise me. I'm very old fashioned in terms of gender roles / identity. No, I'm not sexist, and I don't believe that women should stay at home and bake cakes all day while the man works.

I consider myself very libertarian, so if a woman chooses to act / dress / talk in a very masculine manner, then I would fully support their right to do so, ( I just wouldn't date or marry a woman like that). I don't have to like something or approve of something to defend another's right to it. Same feelings on gay marriage: I don't believe in it, or like the idea, but I am openly in favor of it being fully legal, because my ideas and opinions shouldn't have sway over how another person wants to live.

Interesting...so you basically have your own views which are rather archaic but you don't want to push them on anyone else...very interesting.

Fair enough, too. So long as you don't want to push them on others, I'm not bugged by your beliefs.

That depends on what exactly is meant by gender roles. In terms of a biological sense--that is, females being childbearers and males impregnaters--that won't change until we start messing around with our bodies a bit more.

But as for the social roles, most definitely yes they are oppressive, in numerous ways. I know it's hard for you, being the macho, "manly" man you are, to understand, but it is oppressive, even to you, because it dictates you can't be honest to yourself with your emotions and feelings, and that's rather hard on a person. There's a reason males generally tend not to live as long as women, and it's not because we're biologically weaker.

Lol. Do I sense a patronizing tone?

How am I oppressed?

How am I not being honest with myself? Well, how can men in general not be honest with themselves? Please spell it out for me. My manliness can't comprehend how being manly is bad for manly men.

Men don't live as long because we take risks, drink more, smoke more, fuck more, drive faster, and have a good ol' times out with the boys. Where's the harm in that? Hell, I'd rather live a few less years and have a more eventful life than and avoid the weakness of aging than live and become decrepit. (Perhaps this sentiment will change when I actually grow old. who knows).

@Soheren now!

Heterosexual domination? Uh, would you prefer homosexuals, a minority, dominate the majority?

Besides, homosexuals are protected under the law, and they have made great strides in recent decades.

True, who knows what the future will bring.

Perhaps it is oppression, but I don't see how it is that negative. Women can go to school, get careers, etc. I see no oppression present today. If people still generally believe that women should focus on the family first (if family is present), but women CAN choose to do otherwise, I see no oppression.

"You scored 73% masculinity and 13% femininity"

That's less masculine than I had hoped for, but I'm not about to take an online test such as this one all that seriously.

You need to knock more women over the head with a club and drag them back to your cave, probably. ;)


I consider myself very libertarian, so if a woman chooses to act / dress / talk in a very masculine manner, then I would fully support their right to do so, ( I just wouldn't date or marry a woman like that).

No offense taken; I'd certainly never marry a man who expected me to act a certain way just because of my gender. Then again, I'd never marry a man with full-body tattooes, probably... it's a preference.

I don't have to like something or approve of something to defend another's right to it. Same feelings on gay marriage: I don't believe in it, or like the idea, but I am openly in favor of it being fully legal, because my ideas and opinions shouldn't have sway over how another person wants to live.

Stop being reasonable, you're making me anxious. :(

Interesting...so you basically have your own views which are rather archaic but you don't want to push them on anyone else...very interesting.

Fair enough, too. So long as you don't want to push them on others, I'm not bugged by your beliefs.

Yes, I confess that I have somewhat archaic views of gender, but I don't force them on people, and I generally won't even bring them up unless it is context appropriate. And I'd never force them onto other people, or expect people to mold themselves to my beliefs.

because we take risks, drink more, smoke more, fuck more, drive faster, and have a good ol' times out with the boys.

Interesting theory. Although I know a pack of girls who could top you in every one of those categories. Personally, I think you don't live as long because your bodies aren't as well built as ours, what with all the dangly bits out and exposed to nature.

Besides, homosexuals are protected under the law, and they have made great strides in recent decades.

Erm, not in the U.S. they aren't.

Perhaps it is oppression, but I don't see how it is that negative. Women can go to school, get careers, etc. I see no oppression present today. If people still generally believe that women should focus on the family first (if family is present), but women CAN choose to do otherwise, I see no oppression.

How about the fact that in the United States, for the first time, more women than men in the workforce have advanced education, but they still make something like 25% less?

Heterosexual domination? Uh, would you prefer homosexuals, a minority, dominate the majority?

Well, I'll admit a fondness for that idea at times. But, really, I'd prefer that we all be equal.

Besides, homosexuals are protected under the law,

So?

and they have made great strides in recent decades.

True. We should continue them.

Perhaps it is oppression, but I don't see how it is that negative.

Systemic rape?

I see no oppression present today.

Well, I can't speak for your sight.

If people still generally believe that women should focus on the family first (if family is present), but women CAN choose to do otherwise, I see no oppression.

At lot of people seem to believe that we are abstract individuals somehow separate from the society in which we live, but unfortunately, we're not. Social norms can and do restrict and oppress us, even if we have the physical capacity to do otherwise. Biologically our social instincts are too strong for it to be otherwise.

It's interesting that you jump immediately to the issue of "women"... my phrasing was intentionally meant to apply to everyone. Gender roles oppress men too.

Lol. Do I sense a patronizing tone?
You're right, that wasn't fair of me to do, even though you do it all the time.

How am I oppressed?

You oppress yourself.

How am I not being honest with myself? Well, how can men in general not be honest with themselves? Please spell it out for me. My manliness can't comprehend how being manly is bad for manly men.

Men don't live as long because we take risks, drink more, smoke more, fuck more, drive faster, and have a good ol' times out with the boys. Where's the harm in that? Hell, I'd rather live a few less years and have a more eventful life than and avoid the weakness of aging than live and become decrepit. (Perhaps this sentiment will change when I actually grow old. wTho knows).

The stress. Poor health habits can certainly factor into it, but the primary factor is the stress.

Look at what you do. When was the last time you cried or did something else to let out a lot of built up frustration, anger, or even relief? When was the last time you discussed your feelings with someone or bothered with sensible anger management? When was the last time you relaxed and generally allowed your emotions to simply be emotions rather than bottling up everything inside?

And how often have you let that anger out in a poor way through some kind of violent means? How often have you allowed yourself serious, crushing angry rantings and whatnot?

You'd be surprised, but that actually causes gigantic amounts of stress, the bottling up especially. You live a much more unhealthy life that way. It wears you down.

Whereas those of us open, honest, and in touch with our feelings live longer, live healthier, and feel better about ourselves. Everything about our lives is better because of that.

Yes, I confess that I have somewhat archaic views of gender, but I don't force them on people, and I generally won't even bring them up unless it is context appropriate. And I'd never force them onto other people, or expect people to mold themselves to my beliefs.

That is far more than fair. I most certainly disagree with your beliefs but I won't say anything more than that because you are acting very mature and fair about the situation. Really, I'm surprised, because this is rarely true of people regardless of their beliefs.

...but they still make something like 25% less?

I agree that this is fundamentally wrong. If women are doing the same job, they deserve the same pay. Gender should be irrelevant.

I, for one, applaud all men who allow themselves to care, love, show affection and generally be awesome human beings. Nurturing, gentleness, and many other such qualities should by no way be considered female specialties; every last one of us regardless of gender ought to work on developing them.

I still maintain that all of this could have been reversed a long time ago if scientists had discovered and studied bonobos instead of chimpanzees. Now we've got all these assy theories about biological roles that are based on a species that isn't even our closest ancestor.

I don't see how men are being oppressed. How do gender roles hurt men?

Equal is fine, but as heterosexual's are a majority, their views will be the ones most commonly adhered to. That is why there are laws (I think?) in place to protect minorities (minorities in whatever category) against discrimination.

Who is being systematically raped?! What the hell?! (or do you men raped as in being screwed over?)

Well, I'm sure there is some oppression, but much less than there used to be. I don't see much where I live.

I don't see how men are being oppressed. How do gender roles hurt men?

Because we're taught from an early age to behave in a certain artificial, unnatural way that most of us, in the final analysis, aren't very fond of.

Equal is fine, but as heterosexual's are a majority, their views will be the ones most commonly adhered to.

What does this even mean?

That is why there are laws (I think?) in place to protect minorities (minorities in whatever category) against discrimination.

Actually, anti-discrimination laws with respect to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people don't exist at all on the federal level, and only exist in some states.

Who is being systematically raped?!

I'm referring to the ridiculously high rape rates for women in this country.

I just explained how. Men are oppressed because they are taught to withhold their emotions, to bottle things up, ect ect. It's not your standard in your face oppression, true, but it IS a form of oppression, whether you want to see it that way or not.

"I consider myself very libertarian, so if a woman chooses to act / dress / talk in a very masculine manner, then I would fully support their right to do so, ( I just wouldn't date or marry a woman like that). I don't have to like something or approve of something to defend another's right to it. Same feelings on gay marriage: I don't believe in it, or like the idea, but I am openly in favor of it being fully legal, because my ideas and opinions shouldn't have sway over how another person wants to live.


There is no way one can be American and hold these views.;)

There is no way one can be American and hold these views.;)

What are you talking about? It's very common. A more secular version of "Hate the sin, love the sinner."

Personally, I'd prefer honest, open hatred.

You're right, that wasn't fair of me to do, even though you do it all the time.

You oppress yourself.

The stress. Poor health habits can certainly factor into it, but the primary factor is the stress.

Look at what you do. When was the last time you cried or did something else to let out a lot of built up frustration, anger, or even relief? When was the last time you discussed your feelings with someone or bothered with sensible anger management? When was the last time you relaxed and generally allowed your emotions to simply be emotions rather than bottling up everything inside?

And how often have you let that anger out in a poor way through some kind of violent means? How often have you allowed yourself serious, crushing angry rantings and whatnot?

You'd be surprised, but that actually causes gigantic amounts of stress, the bottling up especially. You live a much more unhealthy life that way. It wears you down.

Whereas those of us open, honest, and in touch with our feelings live longer, live healthier, and feel better about ourselves. Everything about our lives is better because of that.



That is far more than fair. I most certainly disagree with your beliefs but I won't say anything more than that because you are acting very mature and fair about the situation. Really, I'm surprised, because this is rarely true of people regardless of their beliefs.

I only cry when someone, or something I care for dies. Otherwise there is no reason.

I relieve stress by listening to music, reading, driving fast, yelling, hitting punching bags, rants on internet forums (lol), smoking, drinking, or ignoring it. No one likes to be around emo wimps.

And I DO show emotion. When I'm happy, everyone knows it. When I'm angry, people know it, a little more than I would like. When I'm sad, well, I don't show that much, but I deal with it. Emotions like that are best dealt with in private, not in the public sphere, with close relatives or friends.

Wear me down? HA! Bring it!

I'm healthy and I like who I am.

Oh, and I wasn't mad at the patronizing tone. I was just calling you on it, and adding a bit of levity to the thread. (laughter keeps anger away, after all :) )

I still see no oppression, or oppression so slight it might as well not even be there.

Androgynous. 50% masculinity and 50% femininity.

Gee.

What are you talking about? It's very common. A more secular version of "Hate the sin, love the sinner."

Personally, I'd prefer honest, open hatred.

I know, I was kidding.

What are you talking about? It's very common. A more secular version of "Hate the sin, love the sinner."

Personally, I'd prefer honest, open hatred.
This is honest. He's being reasonable. You'd really prefer someone try to force these views on others instead of simply holding them? Look, they're incorrect beliefs, but if they're not being forced on someone why does it matter?

Trollgaard: See, right there, you showed exactly what I meant by not being able to understand. Your "emo wimps" quip alone proves it's not worth trying, at least not right now.

Your score: Misanthrope.

You should sever all current contacts of your choosing and allow the authorities to spend some time determining your value to society, and what level of threat you amount to.

You should also sever all concepts of sexuality from your psyche, as they've done you and your environment a significant disservice.

Your score: Misanthrope.

You should sever all current contacts of your choosing and allow the authorities to spend some time determining your value to society, and what level of threat you amount to.

You should also sever all concepts of sexuality from your psyche, as they've done you and your environment a significant disservice.

Lies.

You are obviously a homicidal omnisexual.

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<H2>You scored 50% masculinity and 76% femininity!</H2>
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This is honest. He's being reasonable. You'd really prefer someone try to force these views on others instead of simply holding them? Look, they're incorrect beliefs, but if they're not being forced on someone why does it matter?

Trollgaard: See, right there, you showed exactly what I meant by not being able to understand. Your "emo wimps" quip alone proves it's not worth trying, at least not right now.

The thing is though no one wants to be around people like that. Is that because of gender roles? Maybe.

I'm read over, and will read over again, the reasons listed why gender roles are harmful to men, and I just don't see it as a big problem. So men should release their emotions a bit more.

Many men do this through hobbies.

I see no problem.

Women being oppressed, however, I can see as a problem, if a much smaller problem than years ago.

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 50% masculinity and 76% femininity!
You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.


Well, I have expected that.

This is honest.

What, with condescending faux benevolence oozing from every one of his posts?

:rolleyes:

You'd really prefer someone try to force these views on others instead of simply holding them?

Yes. Then I can tell them to go fuck themselves and not feel guilty about it.

I don't, of course, prefer it when they're actually successful. ;)

Look, they're incorrect beliefs, but if they're not being forced on someone why does it matter?

Politically? Because society will never truly accept the legitimacy of same-sex relationships and gender variance broadly as long as that sort of minimal tolerance is the standard.

Personally? Because it bothers and offends me when someone thinks that being "tolerant" should excuse his or her bigotry.

Because we're taught from an early age to behave in a certain artificial, unnatural way that most of us, in the final analysis, aren't very fond of.



What does this even mean?



Actually, anti-discrimination laws with respect to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people don't exist at all on the federal level, and only exist in some states.



I'm referring to the ridiculously high rape rates for women in this country.

What ways are unnatural?
It means that heterosexual views are more common, and will be more...pervasive throughout society.

Oh rlly? (at the second to last part)

I don't know the rape rate, I'll check it out sometime.

What, with condescending faux benevolence oozing from every one of his posts?

:rolleyes:



Yes. Then I can tell them to go fuck themselves and not feel guilty about it.

I don't, of course, prefer it when they're actually successful. ;)



Politically? Because society will never truly accept the legitimacy of same-sex relationships and gender variance broadly as long as that sort of minimal tolerance is the standard.

Personally? Because it bothers and offends me when someone thinks that being "tolerant" should excuse his or her bigotry.
...those are very good points and I don't see why I didn't realize them before.

What ways are unnatural?

I find it hard to believe that most men are as emotionally debauched as they're supposed to be.

It means that heterosexual views are more common

What are "heterosexual views"?

Oh rlly? (at the last part)

Yes, really.

Lies.

You are obviously a homicidal omnisexual.But homicide is just extroverted suicide!
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Even horny bags of hornyflesh walking around all horny-like have feelings. Well, maybe too many.

But homicide is just extroverted suicide!
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Even horny bags of hornyflesh walking around all horny-like have feelings. Well, maybe too many.

You are never going to let that go, are you?

"You scored 33% masculinity and 56% femininity!"

This test can officially burn in Hell. :mad:

You scored 100% masculinity and 26% femininity!

Even horny bags of hornyflesh walking around all horny-like have feelings. Well, maybe too many.

That's what the drugs and restraints are for.

You scored 100% masculinity and 26% femininity!

Damn!

You are never going to let that go, are you?

Keepin' the faith, bro. It was one of your best, and i'm guessing better being off the cuff.
*bows*
All i has is Memories & Photographs in my dark hovel, anyway.

That's what the drugs and restraints are for.
Amyl nitrates & E, and bondage?
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The thing is though no one wants to be around people like that. Is that because of gender roles? Maybe. I think people would rather not be around people who are exhibiting anger, but you admit you let other people know when you're angry, too.

I'm read over, and will read over again, the reasons listed why gender roles are harmful to men, and I just don't see it as a big problem. So men should release their emotions a bit more.So, for instance, you don't object to primary custody of children going to the mother by default in the vast majority of cases?

Keepin' the faith, bro. It was one of your best, and i'm guessing better being off the cuff.
*bows*
All i has is Memories & Photographs in my dark hovel, anyway.

Right, right...

You scored 63% masculinity and 50% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

I think people would rather not be around people who are exhibiting anger, but you admit you let other people know when you're angry, too.

So, for instance, you don't object to primary custody of children going to the mother by default in the vast majority of cases?

Well if people are yelling and screaming, and breaking things, then people don't want to be around them. I generally let people know if I'm angry only let them know to tread carefully. But generally people can tell when I'm angry without me saying, or doing anything.

I think if both the mother and the father are able to provide equally for the kid(s), then they should have relatively equal time with them. Though if the woman has a bit more, that's fine. Women are better at dealing with kids anyway (it seems like, anyway).

i believe in total androginy outside of the context of sex itself, in which i'm totally hetro by inclination and experience.

i've no idea what taking the survey would show. i don't recall having done so.

if and when i get arround to doing so this thread will probably be long gone.

to me, all gender based behaviours are ALL phoney bullshit put-ons.
male or female, gay or streight.

a mind is a mind is a mind, whatever body it may happen to occupy. however much a body is a body is a body, whatever awaireness my happen to dwell within it.

=^^=
.../\...

I screwed up the login, somehow I'd entered an email and it asked me to change some things - like password - and now it says my email is already in use but my password doesn't work.

To be that incompetent, I must be male.

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 63% masculinity and 60% femininity!


You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

i think glitziness will have a few issues with this test...

I screwed up the login, somehow I'd entered an email and it asked me to change some things - like password - and now it says my email is already in use but my password doesn't work.

To be that incompetent, I must be male.

There is no question about that

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 66% masculinity and 56% femininity!


Should I laugh or Cry?

You scored 83% masculinity and 73% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

You scored higher than 90% on masculinity

You scored higher than 83% on femininity


More than a woman... (wtf:confused:).

You scored 86% masculinity and 43% femininity!


You know, I was hoping not to live up to the stereotype of butch lesbian, but apparently I have a very masculine personality... who knew (well apart from everyone that knows me).

But yes, the Bem sex role inventory is out-dated and with somewhat questionable validity. There are more recent ones out there which give more effective data, I'm pretty certain there's also a revised version knocking around somewhere which has been significantly updated

Your Score: Androgynous

You scored 56% masculinity and 56% femininity!

50/50 Androgynous.

This test is even more sexist than I expected. The image before the test just screams "Men go to work while women stay in the kitchen and take care of the children." and the first 2 questions imply "Men are self-reliant while women are yielding.".

50/50 Androgynous.

This test is even more sexist than I expected. The image before the test just screams "Men go to work while women stay in the kitchen and take care of the children." and the first 2 questions imply "Men are self-reliant while women are yielding.".
Most of these "masculine versus feminine" tests should really just be relabeled as BDSM tests. All they really explore is whether you are a "top" or a "bottom," it's just that they assume being a "top" is masculine and being a "bottom" is feminine.

Androgynous. 70% male and 60% female. I'd be lying if I said I was surprised.

But yes, the Bem sex role inventory is out-dated and with somewhat questionable validity. There are more recent ones out there which give more effective data, I'm pretty certain there's also a revised version knocking around somewhere which has been significantly updated

This test is even more sexist than I expected. The image before the test just screams "Men go to work while women stay in the kitchen and take care of the children." and the first 2 questions imply "Men are self-reliant while women are yielding.".

heh. I just stumbled across it today. And as I pointed out early on, I acknowledge that it's out of date. And I'll add that it's being an amature modified version makes it even more unreliable. But, it's generating some interesting discussion...

You scored 53% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.
My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

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You scored higher than 99% on masculinity
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You scored higher than 99% on femininity

Well that says it all doesn't it. :(

Androgynous, 53% masculinity, 53% femininity.

You scored high (80%) on masculinity and low (43%) on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 84% on masculinity
You scored higher than 11% on femininity

Probably explains a lot :p

edit: I'm a straight woman.

You scored 93% masculinity and 50% femininity!
You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

"The Bem Sex Role Inventory Test" (http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=9417365772332679709)

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 60% masculinity and 60% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.
My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 40% on masculinity
You scored higher than 46% on femininity


Hmmm, interesting.

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 50% masculinity and 50% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

You scored higher than 22% on masculinity
You scored higher than 22% on femininity

For some reason, I'm humming the Garbage song "Androgyny" - Boys / Boys in the girl's room / Girls / Girls in the men's room / You free your mind in your androgyny.

*runs* *from self*

i scored high in both

seems to be what everyone else here is getting

WTF I get Androgynous yet I had 80% mascline and 53% feminine.

WTF I get Androgynous yet I had 80% mascline and 53% feminine.

The test could see the 'real you' despite your answers?

Androgynous
You scored 56% masculinity and 60% femininity!

The test could see the 'real you' despite your answers?

dammit you've outed me.

"Androgynous : You scored 70% masculinity and 70% femininity!"

Fair enough, I can live with that. :)

Pfft...I don't need a test to tell me how Masculine I am. I'm the definition of manliness, I could beat up Batman, The Hulk, Chuck Norris and God..all at once...with one hand tied behind my back...then I'd pimp slap them and tell them to make me a grilled cheese sandwich...


Anyways

You scored 53% masculinity and 26% femininity!

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You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.



If you're androgynous, does that mean you've been infected by t3h gay! :eek:

:p

Most of these "masculine versus feminine" tests should really just be relabeled as BDSM tests. All they really explore is whether you are a "top" or a "bottom," it's just that they assume being a "top" is masculine and being a "bottom" is feminine.

Well, duh. Of course being a "bottom" is feminine... missionary position IS the only acceptable form of sex! And we all know that women are compassionate, emotional, nurturing, shy, inefficient and irrational, whereas men are independent, self-reliant, assertive, forceful and commanding. If you don't fit into that mold you're either a commie or a gay (or both), and I demand you leave this forum before you give the gay to anyone else (did you know many forms of the gay are thought to be able to travel through the internets?)

You scored 63% masculinity and 40% femininity!
You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.

You scored higher than 54% on masculinity

You scored higher than 8% on femininity

thats right I am the MAN:D

You scored 53% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.
My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

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You scored higher than 99% on masculinity
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You scored higher than 99% on femininity

Well that says it all doesn't it. :(

You probably only scored higher than 99% on masculinity and femininity because you didn't enter your statistics. :)

dammit you've outed me.

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I am a total freak by the standards of this forum - which is to say that I am female and scored as "feminine." :p

(Which essentially boils down to scoring as being compassionate and submissive, both of which are only "feminine" traits according to silly outdated gender roles, but both of which do unambiguously apply to me.)

I am a total freak by the standards of this forum - which is to say that I am female and scored as "feminine." :p

(Which essentially boils down to scoring as being compassionate and submissive, both of which are only "feminine" traits according to silly outdated gender roles, but both of which do unambiguously apply to me.)

FREAK!!!!

*points to door*

;)

FREAK!!!!

*points to door*

;)

*does Little-Miss-Sunshine-style "Super Freak" dance*

I thought I'd be androgynous:

Your Score: Feminine
You scored 46% masculinity and 76% femininity!

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You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:


You scored higher than 17% on masculinity

You scored higher than 88% on femininity

*does Little-Miss-Sunshine-style "Super Freak" dance*

LOL

You scored 60% masculinity and 63% femininity!
You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

You scored higher than 47% on masculinity

You scored higher than 58% on femininity

Androgenous.
"Man i feel like a woman"

You scored 50% masculinity and 46% femininity!

You scored high on masculinity and low on femininity. You have a traditionally masculine personality.


You scored higher than 25% on masculinity

You scored higher than 17% on femininity

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I wonder why I'm not classed as Androgynous given how close the percentages are.

Your Score: AndrogynousYou scored 66% masculinity and 66% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 99% on masculinity

You scored higher than 99% on femininity

Simple really.

score < 50: you scored low on said gender
50 =< score: you scored high on said gender
if masculinity > feminity with feminity < 50, masculine you are, and vice versa
if masculinity and feminity > 50, Androgynous


dang, i've been paying too much attention in my java class xD

Your Score: Feminine
You scored 13% masculinity and 73% femininity!

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.

You scored higher than 1% on masculinity
You scored higher than 83% on femininity

In all honesty I probably didn't need a quiz to tell me this, the fact that I'm planning to start living full-time as a female in a few months would probably indicate that I'm not particularly masculine! Yeh, anyway, this is better than a lot of quizzes of this type whose most searching questions are of the type "do you like wearing makeup":rolleyes:

Your Score: Androgynous
You scored 80% masculinity and 63% femininity!

You scored high on both masculinity and femininity. You have a strong personality exhibiting characteristics of both traditional sex roles.

My test tracked 2 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 84% on masculinity

You scored higher than 57% on femininity

You scored 70% masculinity and 40% femininity!


GRRRAAARRR MANLY! Or something.

I scored 83% masculine and 26% feminine

You scored 66% masculinity and 43% femininity!

That's a good result :D

You scored 43% masculinity and 93% femininity!

You scored high on femininity and low on masculinity. You have a traditionally feminine personality.



Wow, I'm a bitch...

You see, I always have a problem with these tests.

I don't believe at all in gender roles. Yet I do believe in gender. If you know what I mean.

It's a complicated subject matter. I don't believe that either gender has a set "role", yet I believe there are probably two genders that are different, with space in between, with different attributes, interests, and thoughts. It doesn't mean one gender is better than the other. It doesn't mean one gender is superior to the other. It doesn't mean anything at all. But I firmly believe there are two genders, with some space in between for those who just don't fit.

And I definitely mean gender as opposed to sex.