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I propose nothing, just describe how it already is.
And in fact, it's not just a mere association, a connotation - it's part of the correct definition of the word.
Nazis don't write dictionaries, but the dictionary, it is written and says what it says.
So getting on anyone's case for associating the word "Aryan" with Nazism is unfair.
Particularly in a case where the context shows the 'Nazi' definition of the word was being used by both Kirschenwhatever and by Nanatsu no Tsuki.

This quote from Greater Trostia makes me wonder, and I ask, what does a word like Aryan brings to mind? Does it make you think of something else but the anti-semitic connotations that it has? If you didn't know what it meant, would it bring to mind something entirely different from Nazi and pure blooded nations? Talk to me.

timewarp?

I thought Aryan meant blue eyes blond hair stereotypical, er person from somewhere, i'm not really sure beyond that.
er why do you ask?

I thought Aryan meant blue eyes blond hair stereotypical, er person from somewhere, i'm not really sure beyond that.
er why do you ask?

Check the thread "Pride of Your People". But I'm asking because, after participating on that thread, I made a survey in my office and asked what did the word 'Aryan' brought to mind. All of my co-workers said many things (Zodiac, air, airlines), and none of them had to do with Nazism, pure blooded races or blond-blue eyed. It made me wonder, simple as that.

Check the thread "Pride of Your People". But I'm asking because, after participating on that thread, I made a survey in my office and asked what did the word 'Aryan' brought to mind. All of my co-workers said many things (Zodiac, air, airlines), and none of them had to do with Nazism, pure blooded races or blond-blue eyed. It made me wonder, simple as that.

simple as what?

'Aryan' ... Zodiac, air, airlines...
If I'd just heard you say it without knowing what it meant, I think I'd assume you were referring to someone from Ayr in Scotland.

simple as what?

That the arguments on that thread made me wonder.:rolleyes:

That the arguments on that thread made me wonder.:rolleyes:

oh well looks like you got your answers, anything else you need to know while i'm about?

oh well looks like you got your answers, anything else you need to know while i'm about?

Er... nope. Thanks.;)

Yes, is up down or is down up? ;)

Depends on one thing: if you think that if you dig a hole, you'll come out thorugh the other side of the world and everything will be upside down.:D

oh well looks like you got your answers, anything else you need to know while i'm about?

Yes, is up down or is down up? ;)

Yes, is up down or is down up? ;)

ah well our concepts of up and down are all the same.
So up is down in some cases and down is up in other cases depending on which people you ask (as if you took two different people on opposite parts of the globe they would have opposite answers).
So it's either neither or both, but not none of them.

ah well our concepts of up and down are all the same.
So up is down in some cases and down is up in other cases depending on which people you ask (as if you took two different people on opposite parts of the globe they would have opposite answers).
So it's either neither or both, but not none of them.

I feel like I'm Alice in Wonderland... Mad hatters, gah!:mp5:

Whenever I hear Aryan, yes, my mind usually jumps to Nazism. If the person shows they mean something else, then fine.

It's too bad the Nazis ruined so many things, such as anything that looks like a swastika, the Hitler mustache, and even the word Aryan.

Coming soon to a theatre near you...

Nanatsu in Wonderland

A Spanish otaku in a land that is one gigantic LSD binge...that would actually be rather hilarious.

Same thing as the "anti-semitism" debate, the "American" debate and the "terrorism" debate, all of which spring up here from time to time.

I almost universally agree with Greater Trostia.

Yes, I know. I just asked the question because it would be interesting to see how many people here actually end up associating this word with something else than with Nazism (GT is proud of being blond and blue-eyed, which apparently is that meaning of "Aryan" to this person), and this, in a way, is what Greater Trostia is trying to convey. Or at least, that's what it seems to me he/she's trying to do. I might be wrong.

Ar·y·an /ˈɛəriən, ˈɛəryən, ˈær-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation [air-ee-uhn, air-yuhn, ar-]

noun 1. Ethnology. a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European.
2. (in Nazi doctrine) a non-Jewish Caucasian, esp. of Nordic stock.
3. (formerly) Indo-European.
4. (formerly) Indo-Iranian.

–adjective

5. of or pertaining to an Aryan or the Aryans.
6. (formerly) Indo-European.
7. (formerly) Indo-Iranian.

Also, Arian.

[Origin: 1785–95; < Skt* ārya of high rank (adj.), aristocrat (n.) + -an]

[*Sanskrit]

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Seems pretty clear to me.

A Spanish otaku in a land that is one gigantic LSD binge...that would actually be rather hilarious.

Meh...

Seems to me that Indo-Iranian or even Indo-European folks would have a time of appearing blonde and blue-eyed. From where did the Nazis get their definition of the word, I wonder.

Same thing as the "anti-semitism" debate, the "American" debate and the "terrorism" debate, all of which spring up here from time to time.

I almost universally agree with Greater Trostia.

I feel like I'm Alice in Wonderland... Mad hatters, gah!:mp5:

sorry my last sentance was poorly worded, but i couldn't think of a better way.
But basically both are right, Or both are wrong. That's it there's no inbetween.
Yeah i should have worded it like that.
Nanatsu in wonderland, cool so i'm writing a book and a film? my my my posts must really be really difficult to understand.meh whatchagonnadoisayAAAsayagain what are you going to do?

I feel like I'm Alice in Wonderland... Mad hatters, gah!:mp5:

Coming soon to a theatre near you...

Nanatsu in Wonderland

sorry my last sentance was poorly worded, but i couldn't think of a better way.
But basically both are right, Or both are wrong. That's it there's no inbetween.
Yeah i should have worded it like that.
Nanatsu in wonderland, cool so i'm writing a book and a film? my my my posts must really be really difficult to understand.meh whatchagonnadoisayAAAsayagain what are you going to do?

Is fine. Sometimes I don't even understand myself.;)

Meh...

I'm serious. Written properly, it would be absolutely historical.

...

Hysterical.

Coming soon to a theatre near you...

Nanatsu in Wonderland

Oh noes!!!:eek:

Is fine. Sometimes I don't even understand myself.;)

ah well the what do your words of "self" and "even" refer to?
assuming humans do exist in order to understand ourselves, we would have to go outside of our bodies and watch ourselves, whilst simulaneously not be aware of this new and alien sensation, in a dismembered idea of a 'copy-self' to watch ourselves.
So what i mean is you'd have to create another you in order to get a proper idea of yourself, thus it's understandable that most people can't understand themselves.
hey i think i made sense for once.:)

Check the thread "Pride of Your People". But I'm asking because, after participating on that thread, I made a survey in my office and asked what did the word 'Aryan' brought to mind. All of my co-workers said many things (Zodiac, air, airlines), and none of them had to do with Nazism, pure blooded races or blond-blue eyed. It made me wonder, simple as that.

Your coworkers puzzle me...

To me, Aryan bears the taint that the Nazi racial ideology placed upon it, and that people like the The Aryan Brotherhood keep trying to support.

Early Indo-European migration. And Jainism. I'm sure there's some kind of connection.

Springtime for Hitler?

I'm serious. Written properly, it would be absolutely historical.

...

Hysterical.

Yeah, it would be hysterical.:D

Your coworkers puzzle me...

To me, Aryan bears the taint that the Nazi racial ideology placed upon it, and that people like the The Aryan Brotherhood keep trying to support.

I was puzzled by my co-workers´ answers too. I imagine they aren´t that well informed about the Nazi ideals or the repercussions they had on the Jewish population of Europe. To me, Aryan has the same meaning it does to you.

"Threadjacking" brings to mind masturbating while having a very thin penis.
Oh, it wasn't that word?
Aryan... do you mean Arian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Brethren)?

ah well the what do your words of "self" and "even" refer to?
assuming humans do exist in order to understand ourselves, we would have to go outside of our bodies and watch ourselves, whilst simulaneously not be aware of this new and alien sensation, in a dismembered idea of a 'copy-self' to watch ourselves.
So what i mean is you'd have to create another you in order to get a proper idea of yourself, thus it's understandable that most people can't understand themselves.
hey i think i made sense for once.:)

Dude, if someone actually makes a movie about me, Nanatsu, in Wonderland, you would be the best choice for the Caterpillar. You confussed even more. LOL!:D

"Threadjacking" brings to mind masturbating while having a very thin penis.
Oh, it wasn't that word?
Aryan... do you mean Arian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Brethren)?

Nope, we mean Aryan, as in Hitler and his crazy notions of purity.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/HIjack.jpg

THAT'S a hijacking!

ha! not while i'm here buddy!
EIDT: See that's why my posts appear above yours, i have the power of the mod

Nope, we mean Aryan, as in Hitler and his crazy notions of purity.
Then it brings to mind Hitler and his crazy notions of racial purity despite my attempts to divert attention from them. I hope it will be reclaimed some day along with the swastika.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/HIjack.jpg

THAT'S a hijacking!

THIS one´s bettah!!
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6109/haha20sorry20jeff20threadjack1.jpg

Then it brings to mind Hitler and his crazy notions of racial purity despite my attempts to divert attention from them. I hope it will be reclaimed some day along with the swastika.

I hope so, because neither the swastika not the Aryan are evil in themselves.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/HIjack.jpg

THAT'S a hijacking!

THIS one´s bettah!!
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6109/haha20sorry20jeff20threadjack1.jpg

you can't threadjack your own thread, that's like making the sun then deciding it shouldn't shine.
ooh what now?! That totally made sense to me.
*steals thread, and turns it into a religious debate*
"So i say God is real, what say you?"

you can't threadjack your own thread, that's like making the sun then deciding it shouldn't shine.
ooh what now?! That totally made sense to me.
*steals thread, and turns it into a religious debate*
"So i say God is real, what say you?"

God... is Alanis Morissette.:cool:

This quote from Greater Trostia makes me wonder, and I ask, what does a word like Aryan brings to mind? Does it make you think of something else but the anti-semitic connotations that it has? If you didn't know what it meant, would it bring to mind something entirely different from Nazi and pure blooded nations? Talk to me.

Well I think my thought process when I hear the word would be (in very quick succesion):
1. Blonde & Blue Eyes.
2. How I'm neither of those.
3. Hitler/Nazis/Anti-semitism/WWII etc.

God... is Alanis Morissette.:cool:

oh i see, trying to play the threadstealer at his own game eh? (she is hawt) well i've got another one.
"you are all part of the matrix, even if you don't think you are, that's why so many people can do evil things because they don't really exist, and those folks that can be really irritating, yeah they ain't real either".
*sits back in a smug sort of way*
*wonders how the hell you can sit with a facial expression, what a dumb statement, hold on i'm not real remember? damn it, i mean... a ha*

Well I think my thought process when I hear the word would be (in very quick succesion):
1. Blonde & Blue Eyes.
2. How I'm neither of those.
3. Hitler/Nazis/Anti-semitism/WWII etc.

Which is what most people would answer. Thanks.:)

oh i see, trying to play the threadstealer at his own game eh? (she is hawt) well i've got another one.
"you are all part of the matrix, even if you don't think you are, that's why so many people can do evil things because they don't really exist, and those folks that can be really irritating, yeah they ain't real either".
*sits back in a smug sort of way*
*wonders how the hell you can sit with a facial expression, what a dumb statement, hold on i'm not real remember? damn it, i mean... a ha*

O_O
Dude, I stand corrected. The movie should be about you in Wonderland.
http://www.gothampublicworks.com/images/gallery/mad-hatter-9.jpg
So, here we go. If I´m part of your assumed reality, doesn´t that implies that I´m, in a sense, real? After all, we´re all part of the Matrix.;) And if the Matrix is real to us, then those we see in it are also real.

O_O
Dude, I stand corrected. The movie should be about you in Wonderland.
http://www.gothampublicworks.com/images/gallery/mad-hatter-9.jpg
So, here we go. If I´m part of your assumed reality, doesn´t that implies that I´m, in a sense, real? After all, we´re all part of the Matrix.;) And if the Matrix is real to us, then those we see in it are also real.

ah perhaps, but how do you know you even exist in that matrix at all?
Mayhaps we come from a collection of selfish senses which only postulate these points to give our lives meaning when in fact we are only part of a package process to a perfect being in the universe.
Also those people you see could be clones of others (and in a sense they are) they might not have a 'real' sense of conscious experience, which begs the question what is consciousness?
I know i know, i actually create this extra idea of another world purely to escape this one, as i'm too cheap to buy new games, i just make strange comments to satisfy my own selfish genetic urges to give my life meaning. bugger i wasn't supposed to say that...

ah perhaps, but how do you know you even exist in that matrix at all?
Mayhaps we come from a collection of selfish senses which only postulate these points to give our lives meaning when in fact we are only part of a package process to a perfect being in the universe.
Also those people you see could be clones of others (and in a sense they are) they might not have a 'real' sense of conscious experience, which begs the question what is consciousness?
I know i know, i actually create this extra idea of another world purely to escape this one, as i'm too cheap to buy new games, i just make strange comments to satisfy my own selfish genetic urges to give my life meaning. bugger i wasn't supposed to say that...

A Twisted Theory of Creation
by: Mad Hatters in Jeans

Let me eat, think about this, and I´ll get back to you.;)

Your coworkers puzzle me...

To me, Aryan bears the taint that the Nazi racial ideology placed upon it, and that people like the The Aryan Brotherhood keep trying to support.

Same here







http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/nanatsu_no_tsuki.jpg

"Threadjacking" brings to mind masturbating while having a very thin penis.
Oh, it wasn't that word?
Aryan... do you mean Arian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Brethren)?

Nope, Aryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan)

Same here







http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/nanatsu_no_tsuki.jpg

Yes, my co-workers are odd. They didn't make a relation between Aryan and the Nazi. But this is the reason why I started this threadjacking.:D I wanted to see what you all thought.

Er.... *stares at the flag badge and blinks*
Ok, official member of the NNT. Way to go, Dyakovo.:cool:

This quote from Greater Trostia makes me wonder, and I ask, what does a word like Aryan brings to mind? Does it make you think of something else but the anti-semitic connotations that it has? If you didn't know what it meant, would it bring to mind something entirely different from Nazi and pure blooded nations? Talk to me.

It reminds me of the pre-Iranian (Persian ethnic group?) people that originated from northwest India and settled in the Iranian Plateu...

Click Stand;13516177']It's too bad the Nazis ruined so many things, such as anything that looks like a swastika, the Hitler mustache

Adolf Hitler didn't ruin that, Robert Mugabe did!

It reminds me of the pre-Iranian (Persian ethnic group?) people that originated from northwest India and settled in the Iranian Plateu...



Adolf Hitler didn't ruin that, Robert Mugabe did!

You fall under the category of my co-workers. Aryan doesn't make you think about Nazism or Hitler.;)

As for Adolf Hitler, I do think he did screwed "Aryan" for the entire world. And that is an unfortunate thing.:(

Of course, as in everything else, this is just an opinion based thread. Under no circumstance am I attacking your opinion or that of any other member.:)

Of course, as in everything else, this is just an opinion based thread. Under no circumstance am I attacking your opinion or that of any other member.:)

I didn't think you were attacking my opinion...

Hitler also ruined the name 'Adolf'. That is also a sad thing.

I didn't think you were attacking my opinion...

Hitler also ruined the name 'Adolf'. That is also a sad thing.

I know, Soleichunn.;)
And I agree, Hitler ruined the name Adolf and cooky mustaches for me too.:D

I know, Soleichunn.;)
And I agree, Hitler ruined the name Adolf and cooky mustaches for me too.:D

At least we can be glad that we can still keep Stalin's moustache (though Mugabe ruined the moustache Hitler had).

Which reminds me: http://www.squidoo.com/moustache
Who knew that you could perform an analysis of Nietzsche, Hitler, Stalin,Kitchener and Einstein based on their moustache?

God... is Alanis Morissette.:cool:

She's also a big fan of Skee-ball.

At least we can be glad that we can still keep Stalin's moustache (though Mugabe ruined the moustache Hitler had).

Which reminds me: http://www.squidoo.com/moustache
Who knew that you could perform analysis of Stalin, Hitler and Einstein based on their moustache?

:eek:You can?! Wow, that's rad. Mustacheology 101.:D

She's also a big fan of Skee-ball.

http://www.toon-guy.com/funnypaperz/if/smdp/skeeball.gif
I liked skee-ball when I was a little girl.:p

Check the thread "Pride of Your People". But I'm asking because, after participating on that thread, I made a survey in my office and asked what did the word 'Aryan' brought to mind. All of my co-workers said many things (Zodiac, air, airlines), and none of them had to do with Nazism, pure blooded races or blond-blue eyed. It made me wonder, simple as that.

From the looks of it your co-workers didn't understand the word since they appear to have associated it with a star sign and air/airlines based on the sound of it rather than any relation to the actual meaning of the word.

Yes, I know. I just asked the question because it would be interesting to see how many people here actually end up associating this word with something else than with Nazism (GT is proud of being blond and blue-eyed, which apparently is that meaning of "Aryan" to this person), and this, in a way, is what Greater Trostia is trying to convey. Or at least, that's what it seems to me he/she's trying to do. I might be wrong.

Uh, what? I'm neither blue-eyed, blond, nor would I be proud of something so silly as that.

Uh, what? I'm neither blue-eyed, blond, nor would I be proud of something so silly as that.

I know you're not the blue-eyed or blond one, but you did post this on the "Pride of Your People" thread:
Originally Posted by Greater Trostia
I propose nothing, just describe how it already is.
And in fact, it's not just a mere association, a connotation - it's part of the correct definition of the word.
Nazis don't write dictionaries, but the dictionary, it is written and says what it says.
So getting on anyone's case for associating the word "Aryan" with Nazism is unfair.
Particularly in a case where the context shows the 'Nazi' definition of the word was being used by both Kirschenwhatever and by Nanatsu no Tsuki.
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If I'd just heard you say it without knowing what it meant, I think I'd assume you were referring to someone from Ayr in Scotland.
Weird. I'm from Ayr, and the thought had never occurred to me.

From the looks of it your co-workers didn't understand the word since they appear to have associated it with a star sign and air/airlines based on the sound of it rather than any relation to the actual meaning of the word.

Well, I'm surrounded by airheads at work:rolleyes:, but it made me think. Aryan is a well-known word, a word that evokes many things, particularly Hitler, WWII and white supremacist groups in the US, at least to a fair number of the NSGers. I even ennunciated the word in Spanish (Ario) and then in English (Aryan), to check if perhaps they were missunderstanding me, but no. To them, Aryan brought to mind the sing of Aries, air and airlines, as you well know. It was bizarre to me, therefore, I asked the NSGers what they thought.

Yes, my co-workers are odd. They didn't make a relation between Aryan and the Nazi. But this is the reason why I started this threadjacking.:D I wanted to see what you all thought.

Er.... *stares at the flag badge and blinks*
Ok, official member of the NNT. Way to go, Dyakovo.:cool:

It's official we (I) have a badge :D

It's official we (I) have a badge :D

Yes, we (you) do!:D

Yes, we (you) do!:D

*wears it proudly*
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/nanatsu_no_tsuki.jpg

BTW, that's the flag of Asturias.

Neat, certainly better than my regional flag...
http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/state-flags/images/new-york-flag.gif

Neat, certainly better than my regional flag...
http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/state-flags/images/new-york-flag.gif

:D

*wears it proudly*
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/nanatsu_no_tsuki.jpg

BTW, that's the flag of Asturias. Wear it with pride!:D