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The Axis had won.

Germany has all of Europe and most of Africa and Japan has all of Asia and Australasia. The Americas are pretty much divided between Japan and Germany, with Japan holding everything west of the Rockies (including Los Alamos) and Germany everything east of the Mississippi. The Midwest is under seige. What is the fate of the alliance? Will the Nazis attack Japan first will Japan be the aggressor. Who will launch the first nukes? Will Japan "blink" because they have a sense of honor that would deem nukes dishonorable? Will the Nazis demonstrate their usual ruthless behaviour? What will be the outcome? ...

Yeah, but it didn't. Let's just forget about it and move on with our lives.

I think this question is covered adequately in a number of sci-fi books (along with "what would have happened if Genghis Khan had converted to Judaism?").

A dance off. *nod*

The Axis had won.

Germany has all of Europe and most of Africa and Japan has all of Asia and Australasia. The Americas are pretty much divided between Japan and Germany, with Japan holding everything west of the Rockies (including Los Alamos) and Germany everything east of the Mississippi. The Midwest is under seige. What is the fate of the alliance? Will the Nazis attack Japan first will Japan be the aggressor. Who will launch the first nukes? Will Japan "blink" because they have a sense of honor that would deem nukes dishonorable? Will the Nazis demonstrate their usual ruthless behaviour? What will be the outcome? ...

I can't even generate the improbability field necessary to spin that particular (bolded) "what if" into a thought, and that's while using the fing-longer. Japan didn't have the capacity to secure a continent. Islands, sure, but Australia? Not a chance.

The Axis had won.


Hogan's Heroes would be about a bunch of bumbling prisoners of war who think they're spies and are constantly outwitted by the clever and efficient guards.

Yeah, but it didn't. Let's just forget about it and move on with our lives.

Why? Do you have an aversion to thinking about that which is not? Do you not read fiction?

um It would be nice if you either give us more details of this 'what if' scenario, or you make it slightly more believable.

Anywho i'd say either of them could win, but i doubt the US would put up with foreign governance for long.

Hogan's Heroes would be about a bunch of bumbling prisoners of war who think they're spies and are constantly outwitted by the clever and efficient guards.

As would Stalag 17, the 1953 film that inspired it and won William Holden an Oscar.

Read Philip K. Dick's The Man In The High Castle (http://www.amazon.com/Man-High-Castle-Philip-Dick/dp/0679740678).

Wiki summary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle), other overview (http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels_mancastle.html).

Sadly, we wouldn't know how wonderful sushi tastes like and sausage would be part of our daily diet. In fact, the rate of heart conditions would be very alarming. Oh, the pain, being as fat as those German soldiers are now!:eek:

There wouldn't be any Gun debates in the United States because we would all remember the uprising of 1946 when all of USA's armed citizen rose up and took back this great land.

:p

Everyone who could would probably flee toSouth America to await their doom in Rio.

The conquest of the rest of the world would have been a difficult one. Let's look at a few battlefields...

Jerusalem would be in ruins, the result of a bloody last stand by the Jews there. The Germans spun the accounts to pin the blame for the carnage on the Jews, averting a Muslim uprising.

While the Jews in the Holy Land may have perished with Jerusalem, other Jews survive. Some hide their Jewish natures; others join the resistance. Many have fled to the Japanese Empire, where Jews are not hunted down (though being Jewish marks you as a possible Resistance sympathizer).

There is still heavy fighting in America. When the US realized that it could not win, the military was ordered to scatter and wage guerilla warfare. In the East, US forces joined up with organized criminals, fighting in the cities. Jews are prominent in the Resistance, given how the Jewish community scattered the moment the Germans showed up. The Everglades are controlled by Seminoles and Marines, and are a no-go zone for the Gestapo.

In the West, the Japanese have their own problems. The Rockies and the Pacific Northwest are riddled with resistance fighters, whether US soldiers, Native Americans, or simply rugged individualists with a lot of guns. Worse, half the Japanese-Americans who run the civilian side of things are working for the Resistance. And let's not get into what's going on south of the border.

What really irks the Japanese is how the US navy also dispersed. They still get the odd sub attack, and rumor has it that the Enterprise is still at sea. Most officials scoff at the idea that a carrier could survive for this long without friendly naval facilities, but there is the loss of the Yamato battlegroup...

What If...?
The Axis had won.

Germany has all of Europe and most of Africa and Japan has all of Asia and Australasia. The Americas are pretty much divided between Japan and Germany, with Japan holding everything west of the Rockies (including Los Alamos) and Germany everything east of the Mississippi. The Midwest is under seige. What is the fate of the alliance? Will the Nazis attack Japan first will Japan be the aggressor. Who will launch the first nukes? Will Japan "blink" because they have a sense of honor that would deem nukes dishonorable? Will the Nazis demonstrate their usual ruthless behaviour? What will be the outcome? ...

Just for the record, there is a book by that exact title, which discusses this topic.

Linky (http://books.google.com/books?id=XYY7dn9u60sC&q=What+If%3F+cowley&dq=What+If%3F+cowley&lr=&ei=_m_UR6LuOonIyAS424yBBA&pgis=1)

The Axis was self-destructive; so you know they'd have killed each other eventually...

And where's Mussolini! I demand my black shirt!

The Axis had won.

Germany has all of Europe and most of Africa and Japan has all of Asia and Australasia. The Americas are pretty much divided between Japan and Germany, with Japan holding everything west of the Rockies (including Los Alamos) and Germany everything east of the Mississippi. The Midwest is under seige. What is the fate of the alliance? Will the Nazis attack Japan first will Japan be the aggressor. Who will launch the first nukes? Will Japan "blink" because they have a sense of honor that would deem nukes dishonorable? Will the Nazis demonstrate their usual ruthless behaviour? What will be the outcome? ...

This belongs on international forums as an RP. I agree Germany would have all of Europe, I would say including all of the Soviet Union at the time. Up to the borders of China, now part of Japan.

British Prime Minister Winston Churchill would go into exile in Canada. With the British Royal family. With most or all of the British government. Still popular for his efforts and courage would become British Canadian Prime Minister.

Of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, & New Guinea . New Guinea for Japan if not under British control.

These areas would receive many European immigrants if not under Japanese control.

There is supposed to have been some Brtish Monarch or Royal that is supposed to have been pro nazy German, I dont remember who it is.

There was a British Nazy Party.

Similar to my version of the Book and movie Fatherland. Wikipedia link provided.

Fatherland link :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_(novel)

There is a book called If Hitler had won the war. Cant remember details.

The USA would sue for peace, without loss of any of its continental states. Would recieve many European immigrants. Would loose Hawaii to Japan.

Which would fast become part of Greater Japan Proper. Hawaiian Royal Family intermarrys with Japanese Royal family. So native Hawaiians benefit.

Japan would have its World War II Asian Empire. Including all of China. Including all of Ocenia.

Including Australia & New Zealand, or maybe not as its still under British Royal Family control. New Guinea for Japan or not if still under British control.

But not all of Asia, thats too much already and illogical.

No Russian territory except for maybe a few logical islands here and there.

Turkey could wish to unite all turkish areas of Russian Central Asia not including Siberia under German control. But would have to fight a very powerful Germany if under German control. If not it is free to unite it.

Latin America would remain the same.

There were supposed to be plans or theorys to encourage Mexico into the Axis camp in return for USA lands taken from Mexico. In an NS RP anything is possible, lol.

Unless For Exsample Francisco Franco of Spain is still independent of Hilter and becomes leader of Hispanic Latin America using Argentina & Uruguay as his base. Lots of Italians in Argentina & Uruguay. What about Benito Mussolini, perhaps a joint Roman Spaniard Hispanic Latin Empire.

Under Mussolini and Franco, who got along quite well, and there was alot of cooporation between them and thier fasicist government officials.

Juan Domingo de Peron of Argentina had fascist leanings. In 1943 he was very influential in the Argentine Military government. He officially took over in 1945.

Brazil would remain independent. At least at first as it is a Latin Portugal - Portugese nation.

The Middle East would remain the same. Under whoose control or influence thats up to you more or less.

Africa could still be under free British and French control or Nazi European puppet governments. But if all of Europe is under German control that can rule out such a provable RP.

Hitler was evil, but this is still an NS RP.

Similar to my Hispanic Republic of Miami, & Florida to be RP. They can only exsist in NS RP s. Not in logical RW life.

I have seen alot of empire RPs on this forum that are very illogical in the areas they control. It should be more logically balanced.

I love history, geography, facts and figures, statistics, current events, politics, economics, math, Accounting, Bookkeeping, NS, RP s, and I am a copy holic.

This would make a great RP.

MJA.

Well, Japan wouldn't nuke anyone. Not because of honor, but because Japan found out that biological warfare is far cheaper. The American people would definitely fight back if the mainland was invaded. The populous would quickly arm thanks to the Second Amendment that you hippies want so much to be abolished. Canada would fight back also, but would be aided by Canada's geographical location. It's just so damn cold up there. They wouldn't have good old fashioned American deserts or American swampland or American not-being-as-cold-as-Canada-ness, but the Canadians would fight hard to protect their hockey. It's like their American football or something.

If Japan attacked, they would fight dirty. The Japanese were incredibly racist. While western racists viewed other races as inferior humans, the Japanese viewed everyone else as nothing more than barbaric animals. The Japanese were developing bombs designed to infact, not blow up, large populated areas with various diseases, such as small pox and the "Plague".

Evenly matched between dirty-fighting Japanese and their allies, and pissed-and-heavily-armed locals.

The Axis had won.

Germany has all of Europe and most of Africa and Japan has all of Asia and Australasia. The Americas are pretty much divided between Japan and Germany, with Japan holding everything west of the Rockies (including Los Alamos) and Germany everything east of the Mississippi. The Midwest is under seige. What is the fate of the alliance? Will the Nazis attack Japan first will Japan be the aggressor. Who will launch the first nukes? Will Japan "blink" because they have a sense of honor that would deem nukes dishonorable? Will the Nazis demonstrate their usual ruthless behaviour? What will be the outcome? ...

well i aggree there would likely have very soon been a falling out between asia and europe. but i think this would likely have come long before either could have consolidated any sort of western hemisphere holdings.

i know there were intrests in the u.s. that would have welcomed, at least at first, the dominance of a nazi europe, henry ford and the ford corporation for one example.

japan's incursions would have been a bit more problimatical. and i think what happens there hinges on whether they would have freed the intered japanese americans, who might still have not exactly welcomed them with open arms either.

just because the german-italian alliance might have been able to consolodate and pacify most of western europe and a portion of north africa, doesn't mean the'd have been able to make anything stick on the ground in the western hemisphere.

ford might have supported them, but would anyone else have? and what about logistics. hitler never wanted to send ground pounders even accross the english channel. well hitler himself would soon have been assassinated from within his own ranks, i'm almost certain of that.

and what then?

if japan could have consolidated asia and started productivity from asian resources then they could have, inevitably eventually would have, started expanding westward accross the eurasian continent. even granted its streingth and experience up to the point had been mostly navel.

there would simply be much more to be gained that way then throwing resources away trying to pacify even western north america.

i thing what you'd have seen would have been a largely balkanized western hemispher, largely ignored by both forces, as long is it didn't try to cross either ocean and reingage, which it would be unlikely to attempt any time immedieatly.

i think the nazi crap would have largely disintigrated when it started running out of potentially blitscriegable targets. mousolini was essentially a hedonist and a sensualist and if he could have avoided a riche assassination attempted, would soon have split off, retreating and hiding, i'm not sure how or where.

no i don't think an effective invasion of north america would have been undertaken by either side, however much western hemisphere resources may have been theoretically attractive.

practically speaking it would have been bloody expensive and since they would already have controlled middle eastern oil, there would really have been no urgency to do so.

stalin would have been a wild card too. and while he may not have given a dam about the happiness of his troops, or even their lives, the blow to his ego from how hitlers germans had treated those he captured, is not something i believe he would have happily lived with.

and then there's the swiss, who would have kept secretly arming and supporting all of the underground resistence organization within europe itself.

no. i still don't think you'd have seen any kind of thousand year riche. maybe it would have lasted another four, ten, maybe fifteen years at the most, at the outside. i really don't believe it could have been held togather any longer then that, without drastically chainging its own form, to something a lot more sustainable and less monsterous then it had been.

and then what of course, who knows.

there are far more factors in the real world then military might and economics.
more even then the 'palace intrigues' that would have invariably fallowed.

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