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London police infiltrated by Al Qaeda spies.

Celtlund II
09-03-2008, 19:53
Looks like they were planted to help keep Al Qaeda informed about ant-terrorist activities and raids. I'm glad they got caught but the question is how the heck did they get in the department in the first place? At least they should be able to learn from this and prevent it from happening again.

MI5 targets four Met police officers 'working as Al Qaeda Spies'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=528813&in_page_id=1770
Laerod
09-03-2008, 19:57
Darn ant-terrorists! :mad:
"Anthill is Great" my ass.
Vaklavia
09-03-2008, 20:00
OH NOES!!!!!TEH EBIL DARKIES ARE TAKIN OVER OUR POLIZES!!!!!1!!!!!111!!!



What's the betting this will turn into another anti-muslim witch hunt?
Agenda07
09-03-2008, 20:00
Darn ant-terrorists! :mad:
"Anthill is Great" my ass.

I'm more worried about the 'Terror moles' myself. I'll never feel safe on the underground again. :(:eek:
The blessed Chris
09-03-2008, 20:02
If it is true, they ought to be shot.
Celtlund II
09-03-2008, 20:02
Anything from a valid source?

Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.html
Laerod
09-03-2008, 20:03
Anything from a valid source?Dire enemy of freedom, how dare you suggest Al Quaeda isn't seeking information on how the ants wage war?
Vaklavia
09-03-2008, 20:03
Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.html

He said valid source.
Agenda07
09-03-2008, 20:03
I'm glad they got caught but the question is how the heck did they get in the department in the first place?

The Met is desperate for more recruits anyway, as evidenced by the 'wanna be a part-time police officer?' posters smeared across every tube train and station in the capital. They've been particularly keen to recruit Muslims/Pakistanis for obvious reasons, so it's not surprising that a few slipped through the net: if the people in question have never attended terrorist training camps or been linked to convicted terrorists it's not surprising that they wouldn't be caught by cursory background checks.
Agenda07
09-03-2008, 20:04
Anything from a valid source?

It's the Mail referencing the News of the World, what more proof do you need? :p
Vaklavia
09-03-2008, 20:04
If it is true, they ought to be shot.

Nice to see you have an open mind. :rolleyes:
Agenda07
09-03-2008, 20:05
What's the betting this will turn into another anti-muslim witch hunt?

Pretty poor: I can't see the police wanting to lose any of the language skills or community connections that Muslim officers have if they can avoid it.
Skinny87
09-03-2008, 20:08
Anything from a valid source?
The blessed Chris
09-03-2008, 20:10
Nice to see you have an open mind. :rolleyes:

Didn't you read the qualification? Actually, given that you're on NSG, probably not.
Zayun2
09-03-2008, 20:12
Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.html

As skinny asked before me, anything from a valid source?
Geniasis
09-03-2008, 20:17
He said valid source.

Damn you, I was going to make that joke!
Laerod
09-03-2008, 20:22
Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.htmlTwo wrongs don't make a right...
Celtlund II
09-03-2008, 20:24
As skinny asked before me, anything from a valid source?

Well, I'm not sure what you consider a "valid source" so, here http://www.google.com/search?q=MI5++police+officers+Al+Qaeda+Spies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Take your pick.

It takes a pretty closed mind to let one's prejudices get in the way of knowing what is going on in the world. I didn't see any particular "spin" on the facts provided by both these news sources.
[NS]I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS
09-03-2008, 20:28
It doesn't surprise me. The police these days are so obsessed with attracting ethnic and religious minority candidates that there's probably no real quality control. If they're black, asian, muslim ect. they'll be falling over each other to grab them. The only thing that's stopping them from doing it even more blatantly is the anti-discrimination laws, which they've said they would like to amend (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6572897.stm) to allow 'positive discrimination'. If these officers are rooted out as spies, they should be dealth with extremely serverely.
Laerod
09-03-2008, 20:33
Well, I'm not sure what you consider a "valid source" so, here http://www.google.com/search?q=MI5++police+officers+Al+Qaeda+Spies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Simple really. Take a look at the sources target audience. Faux News and Daily Fail target a very specific demographic and are thus not particularly valuable when attempting to find out what's going on in the world.
Take your pick.Mainly blogs and the two sources you listed, along with an unrelated book on Amazon. Very telling. I do notice the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/10/alqaida.military) though. But that isn't on topic.
It takes a pretty closed mind to let one's prejudices get in the way of knowing what is going on in the world. I didn't see any particular "spin" on the facts provided by both these news sources.See, here's the fun part. There may well be no facts. I'll keep an open mind as to whether this story is of any merit when it is substantiated by news sources that aren't into the business of scaring people.
Nodinia
09-03-2008, 20:37
Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.html


Thats just reporting that the mail reported it. The tripe thats supposed to be from a "police source" should have warned anyone with half a brain.

The mail whining the fuck about muslims must mean that it was the Romanians had it in the neck last week. All they need now is some paddy to put a bomb under somebody and they've a 4 week rotation between muslims, Romanians, Irish and the generic (but usually meaning black) asylum seekers.
Sirmomo1
09-03-2008, 20:38
Well, I'm not sure what you consider a "valid source" so, here http://www.google.com/search?q=MI5++police+officers+Al+Qaeda+Spies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Take your pick.

It takes a pretty closed mind to let one's prejudices get in the way of knowing what is going on in the world. I didn't see any particular "spin" on the facts provided by both these news sources.

Of the BBC and Guardian and Times links listed, none of them are to do with this story.
Siylva
09-03-2008, 20:38
Looks like they were planted to help keep Al Qaeda informed about ant-terrorist activities and raids. I'm glad they got caught but the question is how the heck did they get in the department in the first place? At least they should be able to learn from this and prevent it from happening again.

MI5 targets four Met police officers 'working as Al Qaeda Spies'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=528813&in_page_id=1770

And how do you propose they go about preventing it?

Just curious.
Sirmomo1
09-03-2008, 20:39
I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13513645']It doesn't surprise me. The police these days are so obsessed with attracting ethnic and religious minority candidates that there's probably no real quality control.

There's a large surplus of wannabe police officers. Therefore, there's no conflict of interest with quality control.
Nodinia
09-03-2008, 20:39
I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13513645']It doesn't surprise me. The police these days are so obsessed with attracting ethnic and religious minority candidates that there's probably no real quality control.

Unlike the days when they were all white, locked up and wrongly convicted innocent people on a regular basis, were on the take, and harrassed "coloureds" while letting their mates run riot.
Laerod
09-03-2008, 20:43
Celtlund, the point is that most sources I rely on haven't reported it yet because the sources I generally read and listen to attempt to verify these things before printing them. This means it may take longer to publish, but also that it's more likely to be true.
Geniasis
09-03-2008, 20:51
Unlike the days when they were all white, locked up and wrongly convicted innocent people on a regular basis, were on the take, and harrassed "coloureds" while letting their mates run riot.

Now those were the good days.
[NS]I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS
09-03-2008, 20:52
Unlike the days when they were all white, locked up and wrongly convicted innocent people on a regular basis, were on the take, and harrassed "coloureds" while letting their mates run riot.
Don't put words into my mouth. Let them in if they're good enough. If they're not good enough reject them. The increase in politically correct bollocks in the police hampers the job. My dad's a policeman and he says this.

I'd sooner see ethnic minority candidates underrepresented if the alternative is instances of terrorist infiltration like this. Besides, police corruption and miscarriages of justice are completely separate issues to minority representation, they bear no real relation to each other.
Evil Turnips
09-03-2008, 21:12
Didn't you read the qualification? Actually, given that you're on NSG, probably not.

Vive la irony!
Yootopia
09-03-2008, 21:24
the question is how the heck did they get in the department in the first place?
"Hi, I'd like to apply for a job as a police officer, please."
"Hmm, you look like a good enough sort, you ever been an evil baddie or anything, though?"
"No"
"Right, well your physical checks out, welcome aboard!"
Ifreann
09-03-2008, 21:24
If it is true, they ought to be shot.

That would achieve what exactly?
Kamsaki-Myu
09-03-2008, 21:25
That would achieve what exactly?
Islamicide? (Word for the day, ladies and gentlemen)
Gravlen
09-03-2008, 21:33
I don't believe this based on the sources presented here.
Nodinia
09-03-2008, 21:56
I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13513704']
I'd sooner see ethnic minority candidates underrepresented if the alternative is instances of terrorist infiltration like this.

So far, there is no "instances of terrorist infiltration like this". We have a dodgy story in a paper with a long track record of fear mongering blather. For instance, why does the police source mention "pakistanis"? A quick look at those who carried out the london bombings shows that theres far more to it than those with that particular origin. Its a crock.


It takes a pretty closed mind to let one's prejudices get in the way of knowing what is going on in the world. I didn't see any particular "spin" on the facts provided by both these news sources.

What facts would they be? Supposedly the intelligence services have let slip that they have 4 cops under surveillance, and an anonymous police force source adds some stupid comments thereafter.

What kind of "intelligence service" lets on it has a specific number of suspects under surveillance in the police force (or anywhere else) and gives the reason for that surveillance?
Zayun2
09-03-2008, 22:04
Again, I don't think it's prejudice to demand a better source than Fox.

Wonderful things I've seen on Fox:

Obama is an ebil Muzlim trained in a Madrassa. (Here, though not full context or neutral (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms))
-The ebil Arabs are taking over IHOP!
-Socialized medicine --> + terrorist doctors (See it yourself (http://youtube.com/watch?v=pMu6wCqdeyQ))
-Guy who lost dad on 9-11 attacked for not being "patriotic" enough. (Proof (sorry for its quality)) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6um8ix3rvUo&feature=related)
-Video games lead to violence.
-Video games misconstrued as to how much violence/sexuality involved. (Here) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L13Ct40cFIU&feature=related)
-Islam is a violent religion because some people in it are terrorists.
-The majority of Muslims don't count because Fox never reports their protests against terrorism.
-Saddam had WMDs.
-Iran is out to get us. (Out of context, but does the job for this claim and the one above (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs))
-Much much more...

Futhermore, if anyone has something to add to the list, or sources for some of the things on my list, please contribute, I think this would be useful for everyone.
Dukeburyshire
09-03-2008, 22:09
Why does this worry me less than the Broads Authority raising fees again? Or the Fact my house could be flooded V.Soon? Or that my favourite places will soon be destroyed because the defence of houses built on flood plains is more important than saving the low lying parts of Norfolk to this government?

Oh That's right, there is a world outside London.
Abju
09-03-2008, 22:42
It must be true, I read it in the tabloids???
Abju
09-03-2008, 22:44
Oh That's right, there is a world outside London.

I don't believe it, everything beyond Zone 6 is a myth...
Domici
09-03-2008, 23:14
Yep! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336261,00.html

That's a joke, right?

Aside from the fact that FOX news is not broadly considered a valid source, the source they themselves site is the one in the OP.
The Infinite Dunes
10-03-2008, 00:44
So far, there is no "instances of terrorist infiltration like this". We have a dodgy story in a paper with a long track record of fear mongering blather. For instance, why does the police source mention "pakistanis"? A quick look at those who carried out the london bombings shows that theres far more to it than those with that particular origin. Its a crock.Aye, the article has all the hallmarks of being some story 'what-I-heard-off-some-bloke-down-the-pub'.

What kind of "intelligence service" lets on it has a specific number of suspects under surveillance in the police force (or anywhere else) and gives the reason for that surveillance?I'd have to say it's a valid tactic. I'd imagine that if this story is true then they are watching the suspects to see if they panic.
Infinite Revolution
10-03-2008, 00:54
i might believe this when (if) the BBC picks it up. the daily fail is not a trustworthy news source.
Forsakia
10-03-2008, 01:01
I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13513704']Don't put words into my mouth. Let them in if they're good enough. If they're not good enough reject them. The increase in politically correct bollocks in the police hampers the job. My dad's a policeman and he says this.

I'd sooner see ethnic minority candidates underrepresented if the alternative is instances of terrorist infiltration like this. Besides, police corruption and miscarriages of justice are completely separate issues to minority representation, they bear no real relation to each other.

The point is that when police officers are serving communities with significant numbers of a particular culture/ethnicity/etc then officers from the same ethnicity/culture etc are likely to be better able to police them.
Knights of Liberty
10-03-2008, 02:22
Wonderful things I've seen on Fox:

Obama is an ebil Muzlim trained in a Madrassa. (Here, though not full context or neutral (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms))
-The ebil Arabs are taking over IHOP!
-Socialized medicine --> + terrorist doctors (See it yourself (http://youtube.com/watch?v=pMu6wCqdeyQ))
-Guy who lost dad on 9-11 attacked for not being "patriotic" enough. (Proof (sorry for its quality)) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6um8ix3rvUo&feature=related)
-Video games lead to violence.
-Video games misconstrued as to how much violence/sexuality involved. (Here) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L13Ct40cFIU&feature=related)
-Islam is a violent religion because some people in it are terrorists.
-The majority of Muslims don't count because Fox never reports their protests against terrorism.
-Saddam had WMDs.
-Iran is out to get us. (Out of context, but does the job for this claim and the one above (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs))
-Much much more...


To be fair, Fox News is not alone in making those false claims.
Zayun2
10-03-2008, 05:10
To be fair, Fox News is not alone in making those false claims.

True, but they are the most hyperactive and sensationalist with them.