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I actually just came across a facebook group that want's Israel struck from the country list, because its not a country. :rolleyes:

That Israel has a right to the land because of historical/religious ties. Then shouldn't what is now known as the United States of America be given to the native americans?

What is the worst argument you have heard for or against isreal? or even the worst argument for or against your country supporting or not supporting isreal?


as often as the debate pops up so stupid ones have bound to pop up.



My mother for one think isreal should be supported because of the bible. She honestly think isreal should be supported just in case its destruction/fall/abolishment/whateve-you-want-to-call-it causes the end of the world...

Have you explained to her that her religion actually REQUIRES the existence of Israel for the end of the world to take place?

What is the worst argument you have heard for or against isreal? or even the worst argument for or against your country supporting or not supporting isreal?


as often as the debate pops up so stupid ones have bound to pop up.



My mother for one think isreal should be supported because of the bible. She honestly think isreal should be supported just in case its destruction/fall/abolishment/whateve-you-want-to-call-it causes the end of the world...

That Israel has a right to the land because of old historical events.

That Israel could just pack up and leave.

That Israel has a right to the land because of old historical events.

That Israel could just pack up and leave.

now that's just silly, honestly this thread is meant to be a place for serious debate.

Teehheee

Historically, that miserable crust of dirt has been fought over it's entire existence. Everybody has a historical claim to it.

Fuck them. Fuck that land. It's a blood-stained hemorrhoid on this planet. And fuck anybody who wants it.

Anybody want a taco? *hands out tacos*

The worst reasons I have heard for supporting Israel is the religious and the worst reasons I have heard against them is religious. The Jews or the Muslims have the right is what I mean of course.

The Palestinians instigated four wars of aggression to commit genocide, they lost any right they have to the land, that's the entire point IMHO.

"Just give Israel to the Palestinians and give half of Jordan to the Jews instead then everyone will be happy."

because there is no such thing as isfake.

that israel shouldnt exist because it should have been located some place else like austria or alaska.

that israel shouldnt exist because it should have been located some place else like austria or alaska.

Or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast)

That Palestinian terrorists are justified when they walk into a bus or a cafe and blow innocent Israeli civilians up.
Seriously, why does anyone do this? It doesn't accomplish any military goal, and it does make Israel mad at Palestine and less likely to grant demands.

On the flip side, the worst argument I've heard for Israel is the usual "the Jews have a right to it because they had it 2,000 years ago." If that logic worked, then we'd have solved this whole problem a long time ago by making the Palestinian state Spain. After all, they had it only 800 years ago.:rolleyes:
(There is a better argument to be made for "The Jews wanted it for the above reason, and it was just kind of floating British property, so why not?"

Or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast)

i had never heard of it before.

i can see why the remaining jews of europe would not have wanted to rely on the kindness of stalin for their continued existence though.

This Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7202433401) is pretty good at giving awful and exaggerated reasons not to support Israel. Its "100" reasons (I count 10) include:
1.) Israel is the only apartheid left in the world today.
2.) Israel has the most inhumane Armed Forces in the World that kills defenseless civilians on a daily basis, diverting attention from thier genocidal atrocities by having their army volunteer in a third world disaster zone.
"Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
(Moshe Dayan, unknown date) Minister of defense.

3.) Israel promotes white slavery & prostitues from Eastern Block countries that are kept as sex slaves in brothels throughout Israel
4.)Israeli politicians, one after the other are convicted of lewd & indecent sexual acts i.e.the late ambassador to latin America & even the President of Israel has been ejected from office.
5.) Israel claims to be a holy land with holy people yet they promote fornication & gay sexual relations between homosexuals & lesbians & has the highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases in the world. Also having the highest number of members for any nation on sexual internet dating sites in the region per capita.
6.) Israel teaches its soldiers if they act crazy & kill indicriminately they will be feared. That is exactly what they do.
7.) Israel has hijacked the Jewish religion in the name of God that could'nt possibly condone the beligirent actions in the land they violently & forcefully occupied. Zionism is not Judaism but a movement fueled by its own political agenda.
8.) Moses preached do not covet thy neighbors wife nor land, but look what Israel has done? They are literally a lost people, contradicting Moses himself who led them out of Israel.
9.)Jews that were killed in WW 2 deserve compassion not to be forced behind a tyranny that is just as diabolical as the gas chambers of Hitler, but Israel denies these halcaust victums this honor.
10.) Israel gained its nuclear capability from France, England, Germany & the U.S.A. who were adament about stopping Nuclear proliferation. This is proof enough that Israel is not a soverein nation but just a military satelite for the West & Jews are still considered & treated as expendable.
#3, #4 and #5 are particularly ridiculous, though every 'reason' is laughable.

If you want a bad argument for anything, Facebook will usually furnish you will some lowlife group.

Jew, both side

Palestinians are a people that deserve their own nation.

That Israel has a right to the land because of historical/religious ties. Then shouldn't what is now known as the United States of America be given to the native americans?

Since most of the current "Americans" have native blood I would say it would be a moot point. At least from my bloodline.

A co-worker of mine once told me, for no reason, that the problems between Israel and Palestine were well deserved by the Jewish population because they worshipped the golden ram and betrayed and crucified the Son of God. I couldn´t believe my ears and I turned towards him. He was nodding at nothing. I want to believe he was either musing to himself, or had a terribly biased mind. Or he was a fanatical Christian. Take your pick.

Or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast)

What's up with the flag?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast.svg/360px-Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast.svg.png

A white Background with a Rainbow?

*Insert Homosexual Joke / Reference here*

For :

Religious ties

Against :

Religious ties.

worst argument: "because it's full of jews".

#3, #4 and #5 are particularly ridiculous

You forgot #8:

8.) Moses preached do not covet thy neighbors wife nor land, but look what Israel has done? They are literally a lost people, contradicting Moses himself who led them out of Israel.

And people were criticising me about making statements regarding hebrews

For: The Jews were there first!

Against: The Palestinians were there first!

Anybody want a taco? *hands out tacos*

*takes taco*

FaceBook quote: white slavery & prostitues from Eastern Block countries that are kept as sex slaves in brothels throughout Israel
I didnt know about Israel's widespread white slavery..
looks bad.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Prostitution%2Bwhite%2Bslave%2Btrade%2Bindustry%2BIsrael

I think my favorite was:

"They're Jews. They don't deserve land."

Gotta love those Neo-Nazi's. -_-'

Historically, that miserable crust of dirt has been fought over it's entire existence. Everybody has a historical claim to it.

Fuck them. Fuck that land. It's a blood-stained hemorrhoid on this planet. And fuck anybody who wants it.

Anybody want a taco? *hands out tacos*

*takes taco* thanks LG, and i agree with what you say, which is why *shoots LG* ALLAH HU AKBHAR DIE INFIDELS *shoots bursts of 9 mm, and 7.62s then pulls suicide bomber cord* i will wait for an OMG ebil response

This Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7202433401) is pretty good at giving awful and exaggerated reasons not to support Israel. Its "100" reasons (I count 10) include:

#3, #4 and #5 are particularly ridiculous, though every 'reason' is laughable.

If you want a bad argument for anything, Facebook will usually furnish you will some lowlife group.

nah 8 makes some sense minus the taking out of Israel thing, i think they mean egypt
and 9 sort of, those people suffered in the name of racial purity, it is not right to use them as an excuse when people come down on you

After this time, all of them.

A co-worker of mine once told me, for no reason, that the problems between Israel and Palestine were well deserved by the Jewish population because they worshipped the golden ram and betrayed and crucified the Son of God. I couldn´t believe my ears and I turned towards him. He was nodding at nothing. I want to believe he was either musing to himself, or had a terribly biased mind. Or he was a fanatical Christian. Take your pick.

"i'll go for all 3 alex"

Palestinians are a people that deserve their own nation.


Troll much?

Anyhoo, the Religous/racist arguments, particularily the American christian one.

"8.) Moses preached do not covet thy neighbors wife nor land, but look what Israel has done? They are literally a lost people, contradicting Moses himself who led them out of Israel."

lolwut.

Funny, I thought he led them out of Egypt. Ok, he never made it to Israel himself, but that's where they ended up under Joshua, his second in command...

"i'll go for all 3 alex"

LAWL!

Troll much?

What? It's a valid statement.

Troll much?

Anyhoo, the Religous/racist arguments, particularily the American christian one.
Not at all. I have a clear record on NSG of knowing the facts that there is no such thing as a Palestinian.

People who say that are ignorant and uninformed.

That Israel has a right to the land because of historical/religious ties. Then shouldn't what is now known as the United States of America be given to the native americans?

They never wrote up a written and legally defensable contract stating their ownership! Don't you know how this stuff works?! :rolleyes:

They never wrote up a written and legally defensable contract stating their ownership! Don't you know how this stuff works?! :rolleyes:

They don't have a flag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

They don't have a flag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

That too.

that it's geographically asymetric:

Muslim Country, Muslim Country, Muslim Country, Muslim Country, Muslim Country, Jewish nation, Muslim Country, Muslim Country, Muslim Country

That Palestinian terrorists are justified when they walk into a bus or a cafe and blow innocent Israeli civilians up.
Seriously, why does anyone do this? It doesn't accomplish any military goal, and it does make Israel mad at Palestine and less likely to grant demands.

Simple; when you are a revolutionary, you commit horrible acts against the group you consider your enemy so that they in turn commit horrible acts against your citizenry, and you can use that act to rally your own people to rise up. This was one of Mao's points about inciting revolution, and every guerilla, from the KLA to the Viet Cong, has used it.

That facebook group is rather stupid. I'm a member of a group that wants to abolish it.

For:

That Israel's existence is necessary for the Apocalypse.

Against:

That Israel was built on stolen land. Most of that land was bought at overinflated prices from rich Arab landlords.

I actually just came across a facebook group that want's Israel struck from the country list, because its not a country. :rolleyes:

What is the reasoning ? That Israel has not clearly defined its borders ?

What I really find ridiculous is how Israel has to be held to a higher standard to everyone else in terms of fighting terror.

Israel starts MAKING SURE that it is at least trying to fire missiles at the right houses? People argue that these people need to be given trials.
Israel starts abducting terrorists to give them trials? People argue that terrorists will not get fair trials, so what's the point?
Israel starts giving trials, and sentences are handed down? People argue that jail terms are too harsh (death penalty reserved for Nazi war criminals).

So basically, nothing Israel can do is right.
And as for biblical ties as an argument, I don't believe that's right either. But the point is, Britain owned Palestine. Britain gave Palestine to the Jews. Britain gave up a land that it held (wtf!!!1!11) and now it belongs to someone else. Ipso facto, the land known as "palestine" belongs to the Jews.

Other nations attack Israel the day of its creation, and it beats them away. And again. And again. No one questions the rights of other British or American formed nations. So why Israel?

What is the worst argument you have heard for or against isreal? or even the worst argument for or against your country supporting or not supporting isreal?


That one people thought giving another set of people someone elses land is OK because they were mistreated by yet another, completely different, set of people.

Not at all. I have a clear record on NSG of knowing the facts that there is no such thing as a Palestinian..

No. You have a clear record of saying so and running to the hills to hide when facts to the contrary are presented. You never acknowledge the refutations, as it allows you to spout the same lies again and again in multiple threads. You do this on any number of issues related to the Palestinians. Its a spineless tactic, beloved of those who know their own case is bankrupt.

Echoing this view, Walid Khalidi writes that Palestinians in Ottoman times were "[a]cutely aware of the distinctiveness of Palestinian history ..." and that "[a]lthough proud of their Arab heritage and ancestry, the Palestinians considered themselves to be descended not only from Arab conquerors of the seventh century but also from indigenous peoples who had lived in the country since time immemorial, including the ancient Hebrews and the Canaanites before them."[20]

Whatever the causal mechanism, by the early 20th century strong opposition to Zionism and evidence of a burgeoning nationalistic Palestinian identity is found in the content of Arabic-language newspapers in Palestine, such as Al-Karmil (est. 1908) and Filasteen (est. 1911).[27] Filasteen, published in Jaffa by Issa and Yusef al-Issa, addressed its readers as "Palestinians",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian


People who say that are ignorant and uninformed.

Le troll part deux...

What I really find ridiculous is how Israel has to be held to a higher standard to everyone else in terms of fighting terror.


Israel is never held to account for it's actions. Every attempt to do so is vetoed by the Americans, followed by a PR blitz about "only western style democrcy in the mid-east" yadda yadda yadda.

Israel starts MAKING SURE that it is at least trying to fire missiles at the right houses? People argue that these people need to be given trials.

How considerate of them before they launch a missile down a residential street. I hear they are even considering using nice low noise explosives too. Let's swap Israel for China and Palestine for Tibet. Now what do you think?

Israel starts abducting terrorists to give them trials? People argue that terrorists will not get fair trials, so what's the point?

It's nice to know that instead of arrest, with all that nasty over-formality and paperwork, you can have a nice friendly informal abduction. It really helps you relax... Imagine the outcry is Isreali security did the same to a Jewish Isreali citizen?


Israel starts giving trials, and sentences are handed down? People argue that jail terms are too harsh (death penalty reserved for Nazi war criminals).

I have nothing wrong with the jail terms, provided the evidence is straight, which I've never been convinced of. Isreali justice is just plain defective. Neither am I neccessarily opposed to torture, but their use of that as "evidence" is just pathetic for a nation that claims to be so democractic and concerned with human rights.

So basically, nothing Israel can do is right.

Oh no, I'm sure they can. They just don't, becuse they know they have the US to back them up, so why worry?

Britain gave Palestine to the Jews.

No. Palestine divided. West Bank and Gaza (as well as more) was to belong to the Palestinians. Isreal occupied them in 1967. Palestinians and most Arab governments want a return to the 67 boundaries, which still leaves Isreal with more land than is "rightfully" theirs. But Isreal doesn't want to know, because they know they have the Palestinians over a barrel, and that the US will let them stall as long as they like.

Other nations attack Israel the day of its creation, and it beats them away. And again. And again. No one questions the rights of other British or American formed nations. So why Israel?

Actually the whole arguement over Northern Ireland and Scotland in the UK is very similar, except that we no longer go around kidnapping Scottish and Northern Irish people and firing missiles down their streets. We reached a peace agreement in NI because we learned we had no viable option other than to sit down and talk with "terrorists". We talked, and everyone made sacrafices, and there was an agreement that was genuinely viable. So now people don't die.

That Israel was built on stolen land. Most of that land was bought at overinflated prices from rich Arab landlords.



"most" of what is now Israel? As I've told you before, look up exactly how much of it was bought in dunums/acres. The Jewish Virtual Library has an accurate figure, as far as I recall. While I don't agree with the whole "destroy Israel" thing, you do yourself no favours by coming out with the "it was bought" fairytale. Denial plays to the other side.

Britain owned Palestine. Britain gave Palestine to the Jews. Britain gave up a land that it held (wtf!!!1!11) and now it belongs to someone else. Ipso facto, the land known as "palestine" belongs to the Jews.

Simplistic nonsense.

No one questions the rights of other British or American formed nations. So why Israel?

Well you'll find that the Kurds, Timorese, Irish and a number of others didn't care for the borders imposed on them from outside...Not to mention the disputes which take place in Africa.

Israel's mere existence on Arab soil has instigated all those wars. The wrongful and mostly one-sided support for Israel from countries that don't understand (or rather want to instigate Arabs) Middle-Eastern politics. Aside religion (on either side), I don't understand why the Palestinians have to pay the consequences for Europe's wrong actions towards the European Jews. How come a suitable land wasn't found for the Jews in Europe where they lived in large numbers, instead of pushing Palestinians aside and sending Europeanized Jews all the way to the Middle East. Westerners had played a hand in this issue and that's why they rather give a blind support instead of owning up to their mistakes. The notion that God gave one particular people the deeds to a property doesn't work today.

So do I have a right to attack the Arabs that live in the U.S. for being on my soil.

I'm just curious. You know, people don't seem to have a big problem with foreigners coming into Europe and changing the demographics around and displacing the "Native People." Yet no one seems to have much of a problem with the racist policies of the nations that they immigrate from.

It's a two way streak. Either the West has the right to persecute the Arabs in the West and deny them any and all rights based on race, or the Arabs have no right to claim any soil based on ethnic or religious rights, which doesn't apply in this case anyway.

Jews have every claim, historical and modern for the land. Hell, Christians have much more of a claim to the land than the Muslims for that matter. Don't forget that they took it through war in the first place.

The worst reasons I have heard for supporting Israel is the religious and the worst reasons I have heard against them is religious. The Jews or the Muslims have the right is what I mean of course.

The Palestinians instigated four wars of aggression to commit genocide, they lost any right they have to the land, that's the entire point IMHO.

Israel's mere existence on Arab soil has instigated all those wars. The wrongful and mostly one-sided support for Israel from countries that don't understand (or rather want to instigate Arabs) Middle-Eastern politics. Aside religion (on either side), I don't understand why the Palestinians have to pay the consequences for Europe's wrong actions towards the European Jews. How come a suitable land wasn't found for the Jews in Europe where they lived in large numbers, instead of pushing Palestinians aside and sending Europeanized Jews all the way to the Middle East. Westerners had played a hand in this issue and that's why they rather give a blind support instead of owning up to their mistakes. The notion that God gave one particular people the deeds to a property doesn't work today.

But the point is, Britain owned Palestine. Britain gave Palestine to the Jews.


Britain never did. It is America that wanted a Jewish nation to prevent Jewish immigration to America. Britain refused to give the land to the Jews but could not afford to stay in the country further. We were supposed to protect the Palestinians land but had to withdraw due to the costs of staying there and our poor finances at the time. The U.N. failed to come to a fair conclusion on how to slpit the land between the two people's there and the Jews took all of it.

The solution is to try and find a way to split it between the two nations. But that will not happen for along time yet whilst America and Europe still fail to recognise Palestine and Israel as 2 independent states.

Israel's mere existence on Arab soil has instigated all those wars. The wrongful and mostly one-sided support for Israel from countries that don't understand (or rather want to instigate Arabs) Middle-Eastern politics. Aside religion (on either side), I don't understand why the Palestinians have to pay the consequences for Europe's wrong actions towards the European Jews. How come a suitable land wasn't found for the Jews in Europe where they lived in large numbers, instead of pushing Palestinians aside and sending Europeanized Jews all the way to the Middle East. Westerners had played a hand in this issue and that's why they rather give a blind support instead of owning up to their mistakes. The notion that God gave one particular people the deeds to a property doesn't work today.

I imagine part of the reason why they didn't is because nobody wanted the Jews in Europe. I mean as a people, they've had it pretty shitty for a lot of the time.

Historically, that miserable crust of dirt has been fought over it's entire existence. Everybody has a historical claim to it.

Fuck them. Fuck that land. It's a blood-stained hemorrhoid on this planet. And fuck anybody who wants it.

Anybody want a taco? *hands out tacos*

I think they should just irradiate the place, and anybody who stays grows a tail.

I think they should just irradiate the place, and anybody who stays grows a tail.

Well according to both sides thats already happened, along with the hooves, the devouring of the first born, the need for the blood of the opposition.............

Have you explained to her that her religion actually REQUIRES the existence of Israel for the end of the world to take place?

Arrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I never knew true love.

Or being PM.

*weep*

Well according to both sides thats already happened, along with the hooves, the devouring of the first born, the need for the blood of the opposition.............

Damn. There goes the only good way to get rid of nuclear weapons.

"There's no such thing as a Palestinian, they're Arabs"

which is pretty much equivalent to saying "there's no such thing as a Norwegian, they're Caucasians" and just as foolish.

"There's no such thing as a Palestinian, they're Arabs"

which is pretty much equivalent to saying "there's no such thing as a Norwegian, they're Caucasians" and just as foolish.

That's actually the truth though.

That's actually the truth though.

So, in effect, you believe that there is no such thing as regional identity, only ethnic identity? Amusing.

Worst reason for:

"God loves the Jews and wants them to live there"

Worst reason against:

"God hates the Jews and doesn't want them to live there."

Morally the same.

"Just give Israel to the Palestinians and give half of Jordan to the Jews instead then everyone will be happy."

Except, of course, Jordan, Palestinians and the Jews.

That's actually the truth though.

Of course it isn't, further underlined by the fact that you have failed to respond to evidence to the contrary, not only in the post below, but every time you've made your blatantly false statement.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13513185&postcount=46

For: 'They are necessary for the apocalypse'
WHAT? They want the apocalypse? I, for one, want to Apocalypse to be very-very long in our time! If I can decide it of course (which I can't.)

Against: ?

For: 'They are necessary for the apocalypse'
WHAT? They want the apocalypse? I, for one, want to Apocalypse to be very-very long in our time!

You realise that the Apocalypse basicly would be Gods triumph ?
Some people are just die-hard Godfans.

What is the worst argument you have heard for or against isreal? or even the worst argument for or against your country supporting or not supporting isreal?


Most stupid pro-Israel: "this land has always been Israel's" (when in the Bible it's clear that after the Exodus the Jews made a little bit of ethnical cleansing...)
and "Israel has the right to take Palestine and kick off previous occupants BECAUSE the Nazis massacred the Jews"

Most stupid anti-Israel: "this land has never been Israel's" (since we have historical documents and archaeological findings that say the contrary) and "we'll never dialogue with Israel because we want 'justice' before peace" (when it's clear that in an all-out war, Israel would win plain and simple)

I found these two sites that, to me, kind of surmize some of the arguments in favor and against Israel. If they're biased, let it be known that I don't share these opinions.

http://www.phrmg.org/monitor1999/jun99-two.htm
http://www.najsa.org/(13)%20Arguments%20for%20Israel.doc

That Israel has a right to the land because of historical/religious ties. Then shouldn't what is now known as the United States of America be given to the native americans?

If they fought for it and won, like the Israelis did, yes.

That Polish people shouldn't play reggae.

Isreal aint a bad contry at all, it is ok that the jews get their own contry, but just not there, that area has ties to more than just the jewish religion, both christianiti and islam has part of their history taking place as jesus founded the christian religion and he was a profet (sorry if misspellet) in islam (not a major one, but he was) so the holy sites shoud be declared international (like the north and south pole, everyone may be there but no one may own it) and the rest devided between the palistinentias (if misspellet, sorry argin) and the isralitians (sorry argin, argin if misspellet)...

that woud be a good way to settle the strouggle down there...

That Palestinian terrorists are justified when they walk into a bus or a cafe and blow innocent Israeli civilians up.
Seriously, why does anyone do this? It doesn't accomplish any military goal, and it does make Israel mad at Palestine and less likely to grant demands.

On the flip side, the worst argument I've heard for Israel is the usual "the Jews have a right to it because they had it 2,000 years ago." If that logic worked, then we'd have solved this whole problem a long time ago by making the Palestinian state Spain. After all, they had it only 800 years ago.:rolleyes:
(There is a better argument to be made for "The Jews wanted it for the above reason, and it was just kind of floating British property, so why not?"

No, wait. It was Roman empire first (the makedonians had it for too much a short time).
Give it back to Italy!!!

And Jews are welcome in Velka Morava (Great Moravia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia)) as our first king Samo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samo) was a Jewish horse dealer.

Note: The english wiki entries listed differ from the czech ones and I take the czech sources more accurates just because it's our history and most research on the argument was published in czech, a language few can be bothered to learn.

LAWL!

thanks

Israel is just one big religious cesspit, made as such by the screw-ups of others.

That out of the way...

Pro: Because they got slaughtered by the Nazis!

Con: Because they don't deserve the land!


I find the whole rather pitiful, but hey.

You realise that the Apocalypse basicly would be Gods triumph ?
Some people are just die-hard Godfans.

I'm Muslim, but, as everyone that uses logic, want to make the apocalypse if I can to be very-very long in time, hopefully not in my life time. However only Allah can set the date...

The people who want Apocalypse... Are they in America? If that is, then the rejection of USA to all Global-Warming reduce is no mysteri any more.