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Religion is the opium of the people

I V Stalin
06-03-2008, 23:25
No, not another thread on Marx or Communism, except indirectly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/religion.israelandthepalestinians

The Bible tells us that when the Children of Israel left Egypt, they had a 40-year trip through the desert before reaching the Promised Land. Now a leading Israeli academic has a new theory about exactly what kind of trip it was.

Guess where this is heading...

In the philosophy journal Time and Mind, Benny Shanon states that key events of the Old Testament are actually records of visions by ancient Israelites high on hallucinogens. Shanon is a professor at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, where he used to head the psychology department.

Yep, you were right.

The psychedelic substance is a drink called Ayahuasca. It is extracted from plants that grow in the Holy Land and in the Sinai peninsula and is still used today by Amazonians in Brazil for their religious rituals. Shanon came up with his theory when reading the Bible. The events described reminded him of the visions he had after trying this drink 15 years ago. So, when Moses first encountered God, he was high. "Encountering the divine is one of the most powerful experiences associated with high-level Ayahuasca inebriation," claims Shanon.

At the Burning Bush, covered in flames but mysteriously not consumed, there was no miracle, just a drug-induced "radical alteration in the state of consciousness of the beholder - that is, Moses". The account of the Children of Israel hearing God while camped at Mount Sinai is about a mass drug-taking event - giving a whole new explanation for the reported "cloud of smoke" that settled on the mountain. And when Moses climbed Sinai and received the Ten Commandments and the Bible, he was tripping.

Hardly an incident in the Bible is spared Shanon's drug-focused reading. Acacia trees, used by Noah to build the ark, were revered because some varieties contain the psychedelic substance dimethyltryptamine (DMT). In Shanon's opinion, the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden offered something far more tempting than an apple.

Rabbis in Israel and the UK are largely ignoring Shanon's theories, and those who have spoken out have been dismissive. "The Bible is trying to convey a very profound event. We have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate of science," Rabbi Yuval Sherlow told Israel Radio. Israeli internet chatrooms, though, are buzzing with condemnations of "heresy", endorsements, and charges that Shanon, not Moses, must have taken drugs. One poster writes: "Maybe it is true - then religion really is the opiate of the people."

I guess if you're looking for drug references you're going to find them whatever you're reading, whether it's Howard Marks or the Bible.
Call to power
06-03-2008, 23:59
so if I say I'm Jewish I can be a walking chemist and when the police ask I can reply that it is my religion :p

The psychedelic substance is a drink called Ayahuasca. It is extracted from plants that grow in the Holy Land and in the Sinai peninsula and is still used today by Amazonians in Brazil for their religious rituals.

:eek: Jungle Jews!
Extreme Ironing
07-03-2008, 00:01
Heh, I suppose you can really read anything into the stories in that book.
Vespertilia
07-03-2008, 00:13
I've, once upon a time, read that pre-Columbus (pre-Colombian?) Mesoamericans' penchant for peyotl and mushrooms may be the reason why there were so many feathered snakes and beheaded snake-blooded goddesses in their pantheon.
Vectrova
07-03-2008, 01:17
This, kiddies, is why you shouldn't do drugs. You'll end up with silly notions like invisible men exist, then start wars when people disagree with you. :D
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-03-2008, 01:34
Zombie Spaniardcus:
Drugs...
Are...
Good...

LAWL!!
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-03-2008, 01:35
Since when is opium a hallucinogen. Never has been for me. :p (All Rx, of course.)
Knights of Liberty
07-03-2008, 02:35
This is lawl.
Knights of Liberty
07-03-2008, 03:07
So does this mean that the Resurrection of Jesus was a massive psychedelic drug experience?

I could buy that.



Dude, I was like....hung on this big wooden cross...and like...died...and like...then I like...totally came back to life three days later:D
Wilgrove
07-03-2008, 03:12
So does this mean that the Resurrection of Jesus was a massive psychedelic drug experience?

I could buy that.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-03-2008, 03:40
So does this mean that the Resurrection of Jesus was a massive psychedelic drug experience?

I could buy that.

They're talking Moses. There aren't any references to drugs that I can recall from the NT, although it's been a while and my Greek was never good enough to read it in the original :p
Constantanaple
07-03-2008, 03:49
Dude, I was like....hung on this big wooden cross...and like...died...and like...then I like...totally came back to life three days later:D

That just made my day
Knights of Liberty
07-03-2008, 03:51
That just made my day


I try.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
07-03-2008, 03:52
and then the 12 apostle would be like. "Hey dude.....did Jesus just rose to Heaven? Yea dude....and so did his old lady....." "Wow....."

Wouldn't the original be written in Aramaic though?

There's actually a debate. The accepted answer is that it was in Greek, but it's possible that earlier drafts were in Aramaic - both are possible, I suppose, but I'm no expert. Either way, the oldest manuscripts that we have are in Greek.
Wilgrove
07-03-2008, 03:54
Dude, I was like....hung on this big wooden cross...and like...died...and like...then I like...totally came back to life three days later:D

and then the 12 apostle would be like. "Hey dude.....did Jesus just rose to Heaven? Yea dude....and so did his old lady....." "Wow....."

They're talking Moses. There aren't any references to drugs that I can recall from the NT, although it's been a while and my Greek was never good enough to read it in the original :p

Wouldn't the original be written in Aramaic though?
South Lorenya
07-03-2008, 04:16
...I always said religious people were delusional...
Damor
07-03-2008, 10:24
They're talking Moses. There aren't any references to drugs that I can recall from the NT, although it's been a while and my Greek was never good enough to read it in the original :pIt has been suggested that Jesus used Cannabis for some of his feats of healing; and possibly other things.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm
http://cannabis.net/articles/jesus-cannabis.html