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The North Korean government publicly executed 15 people for trying to escape to China and find food...

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7279996.stm)

North Korea has executed 15 people in public for trying to flee or help others to escape across the border into China, according to an aid group.

Good Friends, based in South Korea, said the 13 women and two men were shot on a bridge in the north-eastern town of Onseong two weeks ago.

The aid group said those executed had been trying to get economic help from relatives already in China.

Tens of thousands of North Koreans are thought to be in hiding in China.

In a newsletter, Good Friends said residents who witnessed the shooting were shocked at the harshness of the punishment. Some were crying at the scene, it reported.

The group quoted a woman as saying: "Everyone is anxious about a lack of food. The shooting has made people angry."

"It has become a daily routine for a few residents to disappear and illegally cross the border to visit relatives in China," he is reported as saying.

"We shot them to send a warning to people over this."

Acute food shortages have led to thousands of North Koreans fleeing their homeland through China.

Many hope to make their way to South Korea - the Unification Ministry in Seoul says more than 12,000 North Koreans have fled to the south since the 1950-53 Korean War.

Others cross the border into China with the intention of returning with food supplies.

North Korea received hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food aid last year, more than half of it from Seoul.

An unusually dry and mild winter has raised fears of worse shortages to come.

I guess Dear Leader can get the New York Philharmonics but can't give his own people food...

I guess Dear Leader can get the New York Philharmonics but can't give his own people food...

The only American music the Dear Leader needs to hear is the whistling of a 500 lb bomb dropping from the sky onto his head.

The only American music the Dear Leader needs to hear is the whistling of a 500 lb bomb dropping from the sky onto his head.
No. Those aren't nearly as cost-effective to deliver as a 2000 pounder. When the freight charges are the same, why not send the very best?

Well, everybody knows those people fleeing are nothing more than bourgeois imperialist traitors that are seeking to undermine the glorious socialist utopia built by the Eternal Leader Kim Il Sung.

What? Did Andaras steal Vetalia Jolt account? :p

Well, everybody knows those people fleeing are nothing more than bourgeois imperialist traitors that are seeking to undermine the glorious socialist utopia built by the Eternal Leader Kim Il Sung.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, or even shocked but can't really. This is business as usual in North Korea.

What? Did Andaras steal Vetalia Jolt account? :p

Hey, if push comes to shove, I can be as good a Communist demagogue as anyone. Might have come in handy were I born 50 years ago in Poland.

The North Korean government publicly executed 15 people for trying to escape to China and find food...


GASP! How dare they! They actually went across the border to find FOOD? Don't they know that if you're not starving and letting your leaders enjoy absolute luxury while you wallow in filth, that you're just another capitalist pig?
But with all seriousness, this is very disturbing. *sigh* I suppose I shouldn't be shocked, but I am. Just goes to show how seriously F***** up North Korea is.

That's what I call take-out.

I'm starting to wonder if lil Kim can even fix the country if he wanted to. I mean, the officials have to go as far as printing fake $100 bills to use abroad.

I just kinda assumed that this was the case all along. It is North Korea after all.

so it's a happy ending - they were put out of their misery and no longer have to starve

so it's a happy ending - they were put out of their misery and no longer have to starve

Do people like us have souls?

Sometimes I wonder.

I propose that we start a nationless volunteer brigade to go take out Kim Jong Il. We can buy a submarine, land in a remote area, move by cover of nightfall, observe troop movements, create a diversion using explosives during an important public appearance of the dear leader, and be in position to take out Kim Jong Il and his guards as they flee/retreat to safety. If we plan well enough, we may even be able to seize power for ourselves and gradually implement democratic reforms in North Korea from the grassroots up so as to develop the social capital required to sustain a rights-respecting representative government. Let's rendezvous in either Anchorage or Honolulu to build the submarine, assemble arms, and pack explosives. Or if there are submarines somewhere on the West coast, we could steal or buy that one. Who's with me?

I propose that we start a nationless volunteer brigade to go take out Kim Jong Il. We can buy a submarine, land in a remote area, move by cover of nightfall, observe troop movements, create a diversion using explosives during an important public appearance of the dear leader, and be in position to take out Kim Jong Il and his guards as they flee/retreat to safety. If we plan well enough, we may even be able to seize power for ourselves and gradually implement democratic reforms in North Korea from the grassroots up so as to develop the social capital required to sustain a rights-respecting representative government. Let's rendezvous in either Anchorage or Honolulu to build the submarine, assemble arms, and pack explosives. Or if there are submarines somewhere on the West coast, we could steal or buy that one. Who's with me?Dear Leader has the best trained bodyguards in the world. You are an untrained civilian.

I propose that we start a nationless volunteer brigade to go take out Kim Jong Il. We can buy a submarine, land in a remote area, move by cover of nightfall, observe troop movements, create a diversion using explosives during an important public appearance of the dear leader, and be in position to take out Kim Jong Il and his guards as they flee/retreat to safety. If we plan well enough, we may even be able to seize power for ourselves and gradually implement democratic reforms in North Korea from the grassroots up so as to develop the social capital required to sustain a rights-respecting representative government. Let's rendezvous in either Anchorage or Honolulu to build the submarine, assemble arms, and pack explosives. Or if there are submarines somewhere on the West coast, we could steal or buy that one. Who's with me?

Satellites are the way to go. Floating death satellites loaded with missiles and death rays. Send up smaller guard satellites to protect the death satellites by acting as shields against any possible missile attack and you've got the third best weapon ever built, right after nukes and pointy sticks. So pointy.

The only American music the Dear Leader needs to hear is the whistling of a 500 lb bomb dropping from the sky onto his head.

Except the Chinese and South Koreans know that if Kim takes off in his cockroach rocket for good, it'll leave plenty of starving and desperate North Koreans in the aftermath who'll do a giant Taco Bell commercial and make a run for the border(s).

Dear Leader has the best trained bodyguards in the world. You are an untrained civilian.
But I will have the element of surprise. (Nobody forward this thread to DPRK) And flamethrowers and RPGs. Maybe we can bring some loyal vested Muslims too.

But I will have the element of surprise. (Nobody forward this thread to DPRK) And flamethrowers and RPGs. Maybe we can bring some loyal vested Muslims too.

Maybe Kim Jong-Il will pay large amounts of money to hear of a one-man attempt to overthrow his government...

But I will have the element of surprise. (Nobody forward this thread to DPRK) And flamethrowers and RPGs. Maybe we can bring some loyal vested Muslims too.They have the fact that they have been watching you since you entered the country.

I question the ridiculously emotionalist nature of the OP and article, if these kulaks want to become traitors to their country, that's fine and they'll pay the consequences. I find the praise of such socially-dangerous scum disturbing.

Also, Tongass, I would dob you in for sure.

Problem with your plan is anything of any value is generally deep, deep underground connected by a vast rail network that criss crosses the country. Sure godrodding it might work, but when the peninsula sinks because you just exposed an underground fortress system the size of north korea, we will have to do without cheap electronics and mass production anime from south korea

They have the fact that they have been watching you since you entered the country.

Nuh-uh, I snuck in on a sub. We emitted whale noises to fool them if they had sonar. Then I stealthily rose from the waters on remote shores in the night, Navy Seal style. Moving only at night in the wilderness, we make our way into the heart of Pyongyang under the surface of the Taedong River to the Rungrado May Day Stadium, where Kim Jong Il is participating in festivities for some event or other. After planting explosives on the Rungna Bridge and Chongnyu Bridge on both sides of Rungna Islet, squad A moves in on the stadium from the northeast. Our Korean plant will brazenly attempt to assassinate Kin Jong Il, after which squad A will simulate an uncoordinated popular uprising by shooting off some guns. When Kim Jong Il is ushered out of the stadium and his vehicle begins to drive off, the explosives will be detonated, cutting off their escape. Squad B will move in to isolate Jong Il's party from the stadium, and Squad C will move in from the southwest with the flamethrowers grenades to blow them to smithereens.

Mission Accomplished.

Also, Tongass, I would dob you in for sure.I'm sure you would like to, but I don't swing that way dude, not that there's anything wrong with a couple dudes dobbing - it's just not for me.

Nuh-uh, I snuck in on a sub. We emitted whale noises to fool them if they had sonar. Then I stealthily rose from the waters on remote shores in the night, Navy Seal style. Moving only at night in the wilderness, we make our way into the heart of Pyongyang under the surface of the Taedong River to the Rungrado May Day Stadium, where Kim Jong Il is participating in festivities for some event or other. After planting explosives on the Rungna Bridge and Chongnyu Bridge on both sides of Rungna Islet, squad A moves in on the stadium from the northeast. Our Korean plant will brazenly attempt to assassinate Kin Jong Il, after which squad A will simulate an uncoordinated popular uprising by shooting off some guns. When Kim Jong Il is ushered out of the stadium and his vehicle begins to drive off, the explosives will be detonated, cutting off their escape. Squad B will move in to isolate Jong Il's party from the stadium, and Squad C will move in from the southwest with the flamethrowers grenades to blow them to smithereens.

Mission Accomplished.
Whoops, I forgot about the metro station. We'll have to secure that too.

Whoops, I forgot about the metro station. We'll have to secure that too.

First I'd like to see you make whale noises. That should be interesting.

GASP! How dare they! They actually went across the border to find FOOD? Don't they know that if you're not starving and letting your leaders enjoy absolute luxury while you wallow in filth, that you're just another capitalist pig?
But with all seriousness, this is very disturbing. *sigh* I suppose I shouldn't be shocked, but I am. Just goes to show how seriously F***** up North Korea is.

Note the sarcasm.

I question the ridiculously emotionalist nature of the OP and article, if these kulaks want to become traitors to their country, that's fine and they'll pay the consequences. I find the praise of such socially-dangerous scum disturbing.

Also, Tongass, I would dob you in for sure.

Note the lack of sarcasm.

Because we all know that starving peasants are filthy capiltalist pigs :<

Well, at least the next 15 peasants will have something to eat...

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media. The famine itself was masterminded by the imperialist camp through economic means in order to try and discredit the DPRK, before the combined economic war from the imperialist camp the DPRK was beating the south economically for decades, with industrial development over doubling the amount in the south. The DPRK itself is nothing but the self-determination of the working masses.

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media..

This really isn't any different than this, except maybe it's a bit more truthful, since Andaras has an aversion to truth:

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely swept under and covered up by vultures among the ultra rabid Stalinists..

This really isn't any different than this, except maybe it's a bit more truthful, since Andaras has an aversion to truth:

Truth!?! You'd believe anything the bourgeois media tells you to believe.

Someone has to remind y'all this motto about trolls being like sex...

Truth!?! You'd believe anything the bourgeois media tells you to believe.And you'd believe the exact opposite of what the "bourgeois" media tells you.

And you'd believe the exact opposite of what the "bourgeois" media tells you.
I don't even watch it, I actually search out objective sources for information, not self-styled bourgeois 'experts'.

I don't even watch it, I actually search out objective sources for information, not self-styled bourgeois 'experts'.
These mean pretty much the same thing with you AP...
And you'd believe the exact opposite of what the "bourgeois" media tells you.

I too would be interested in seeing some of Andaras' objective sources.

Edit: Woohoo! Timewarped myself!

Truth!?! You'd believe anything the bourgeois media tells you to believe.

As opposed to you who only listens to anything that praises Stalinism and rejects all conflicting evidence as "fake"?

Ah, but what can I say? I don't hate you. I might have at first, but rather, you're to be pitied really. You try so hard to believe something, to the point of outright denial of reality. I suppose that's your way of coping with the loss of all your ideals. Like someone who has just taken a sudden mortal wound, your mind goes into shock and filters out contrary evidence in order to preserve itself, inventing larger and larger fabrications just to hold out the reality that closes in on you.

It's sad really. I would like to have you put under therapy, but I fear the damage at this point is simply too great. And no, this isn't sarcasm.

I don't even watch it, I actually search out objective sources for information, not self-styled bourgeois 'experts'.

Then I'm sure you could provide us with reliable sources of information that are available freely on the internet?

I mean, apart from the fact that North Korean workers don't even know how to produce glass without bubbles. Given that glass is used for quite a lot, not limited to for example greenhouses and having clean drinking vessels (I'd pick glass over metal, ceramics or plastics any day), as well as quite a few nice things such as windows that can keep out heat and let in light, etc... etc...

I'd say they never really had much economic prosperity to begin with.

And they were the ones who isolated themselves. Unlike Cuba, North Korea's leader did bring it upon himself.

I don't even watch it, I actually search out objective sources for information, not self-styled bourgeois 'experts'.Highly debatable.

Highly debatable.

Any media sourced owned privately (ie by the bourgeois) is bound to represent the views and interests of that class, or if it's national then it will still represent the views of the bourgeois state. I tend to reject corporate wholesale generated propaganda.

Any media sourced owned privately (ie by the bourgeois) is bound to represent the views and interests of that class, or if it's national then it will still represent the views of the bourgeois state. I tend to reject corporate wholesale generated propaganda.

Yet you fail to provide links.

Any media sourced owned privately (ie by the bourgeois) is bound to represent the views and interests of that class, or if it's national then it will still represent the views of the bourgeois state. BBC isn't owned privately, you know. However, the idea that this doesn't count for the owners of state owned press, or independently run press, is bullshit. Such news sources are just as prone to reflecting the views of their owners as private media.
I tend to reject corporate wholesale generated propaganda.And instead you gobble up Stalinist bullshit to sate your appetite.

Also, private media being biased is not proof that what you read and listen to is not.

Any media sourced owned privately (ie by the bourgeois) is bound to represent the views and interests of that class, or if it's national then it will still represent the views of the bourgeois state. I tend to reject corporate wholesale generated propaganda.

Bourgeois media like... Medecins Sans Frontieres (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/publications/ar/i2004/northkorea.cfm)? Or Refugees International (http://www.refintl.org/content/country/detail/2945)?

Sorry, I'm from the US, and I've heard a lot of "please stop interfering in other countries".

So don't bother me with this stuff - I'm not going to go over there and fix any of it. It's your problem.

I say we build towering fast food restaurants as close to the NK border as possible. So big that most of NKs people can watch the Chinese and South Koreans eat their dollar menu food all day and all night. Then when they riot and all hell is breaking loose because they received an inkling of truth about capitalism, we move in with the sub and take out the bad guys.

Good somebody who would make a post like that would only piss it up

Sorry, if the US went there, even if the North Koreans welcomed us as the Second Coming of Christ, I'm sure that the rest of the world would piss in our soup for doing it.

Sorry, I'm from the US, and I've heard a lot of "please stop interfering in other countries".

So don't bother me with this stuff - I'm not going to go over there and fix any of it. It's your problem.

Good somebody who would make a post like that would only piss it up

Sorry, if the US went there, even if the North Koreans welcomed us as the Second Coming of Christ, I'm sure that the rest of the world would piss in our soup for doing it.

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I question the ridiculously emotionalist nature of the OP and article, if these kulaks want to become traitors to their country, that's fine and they'll pay the consequences. I find the praise of such socially-dangerous scum disturbing.


Yes, heaven forbid anyone try to leave somewhere where every single fucking freedom imaginable is crushed, the economy is in absolute ruins and everyone is in unbelievable poverty, except the heroic 'socialist' leaders of the country who are responsible for the state it is in now.

I don't even watch it, I actually search out objective sources for information, not self-styled bourgeois 'experts'.

This is the most hilarious post I have ever seen, since the only sources I have EVER seen you post are from historians widely discredited from every single historical establishment, even Marxist ones.

I question the ridiculously emotionalist nature of the OP and article, if these kulaks want to become traitors to their country, that's fine and they'll pay the consequences. I find the praise of such socially-dangerous scum disturbing.


Er, you seem to have a logical disconnect here. Why would Kulaks (the word means RICH peasents, remember?) want to leave? If they're rich already, they're better off staying where they are.

Er, you seem to have a logical disconnect here. Why would Kulaks (the word means RICH peasents, remember?) want to leave? If they're rich already, they're better off staying where they are.

Disconnect? I don't believe a connection was ever present in the first place. :p

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media. The famine itself was masterminded by the imperialist camp through economic means in order to try and discredit the DPRK.



Really? Because one of the guys in my grad class is a refugee from North Korea who says the west has no idea how bad it is.


But hey, you in Austrailia know better than the people there, just like you said my friend from Venezuala was a liar when he said things about Chavez's media policies.

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media. The famine itself was masterminded by the imperialist camp through economic means in order to try and discredit the DPRK, before the combined economic war from the imperialist camp the DPRK was beating the south economically for decades, with industrial development over doubling the amount in the south. The DPRK itself is nothing but the self-determination of the working masses.
Oooooooh right...

I can understand your delusion over the USSR — it’s in the past, and one can easily discredit any historical document one wants to — but refuting the deplorable living conditions in NK? Calling the murdered peasants 'kulaks'?

You’ve fallen over the edge AP.

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media. The famine itself was masterminded by the imperialist camp through economic means in order to try and discredit the DPRK, before the combined economic war from the imperialist camp the DPRK was beating the south economically for decades, with industrial development over doubling the amount in the south. The DPRK itself is nothing but the self-determination of the working masses.

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

Actually the best story I heard out of North Korea is someone who went there on a tourist visit, and they gave his party a guided tour of Kim jung loony's gift palace, where all the gifts from around the world to kim jong loony are put on display.

In pride of place was a top of the line Hyundai car presented to Kim Jong loony by the company president, and the guide goes 'this car is the best in south korea' and the tourist (who a yank living in Seoul) pipes up 'My neighbours got one of the those'
Ah goes the guide, he must be one of the oppresser ruling class in south korea.
The yank replies "No he works in a factory programming industrial robots"

End of tour

Lost in the exchange between Kimmie Does No Wrong Andaras and everyone else is the point that both China and South Korea don't want the Kim regime ending suddenly, because that would leave a gaping chaos in its wake that will inevitably result in a flood of refugees in both directions.

And impoverished refugees tend to dent established economies, at least in the short run.

Lost in the exchange between Kimmie Does No Wrong Andaras and everyone else is the point that both China and South Korea don't want the Kim regime ending suddenly, because that would leave a gaping chaos in its wake that will inevitably result in a flood of refugees in both directions.

And impoverished refugees tend to dent established economies, at least in the short run.

Well sooner or later, some other country or countries are going to have to pay, and pay big, to keep North Korea afloat during a return to the normal world.

Who would that be then?

Do people like us have souls?

Sometimes I wonder.


I had a soul until I sold it for a bad of Cheeto's when I was really stoned.

Really? Because one of the guys in my grad class is a refugee from North Korea who says the west has no idea how bad it is.


But hey, you in Austrailia know better than the people there, just like you said my friend from Venezuala was a liar when he said things about Chavez's media policies.

Of course, both of your friends are filthy Capitalist pigs who are part of the bourgeois conspiracy against the noble Communist ideal




Sarcasm

Of course, both of your friends are filthy Capitalist pigs who are part of the bourgeois conspiracy against the noble Communist ideal




Sarcasm


Exactly, only the Bougasie need sustenance.

The reports of food shortages in the DPRK are completely overblown and played upon by vultures by the Western media. The famine itself was masterminded by the imperialist camp through economic means in order to try and discredit the DPRK, before the combined economic war from the imperialist camp the DPRK was beating the south economically for decades, with industrial development over doubling the amount in the south. The DPRK itself is nothing but the self-determination of the working masses.

If North Korea is so great, then please move there now. I'm sure you will like it better than the Bourgeois society you live in right now. What is stopping you from making the next step in your life and moving to the people's paradise and worshiping Dear Leader?

I had a soul until I sold it for a bag of Cheeto's when I was really stoned.

Guess they aren't kidding when they say "dangerously cheesy".

If North Korea is so great, then please move there now. I'm sure you will like it better than the Bourgeois society you live in right now. What is stopping you from making the next step in your life and moving to the people's paradise and worshiping Dear Leader?

AP's not here, so I'll answer for him:

"I would move, but... Uhm... Erm... And you are beating Negroes."

AP's not here, so I'll answer for him:

"I would move, but... Uhm... Erm... And you are beating Negroes."

No, no. You've got it wrong. It's more likely his response would be:

"I will not move. I'm too busy setting the groundwork for the glorious communist revolution in Australia, in between sampling the bourgeois lifestyle so that I may better condemn it."

No, no. You've got it wrong. It's more likely his response would be:

"I will not move. I'm too busy setting the groundwork for the glorious communist revolution in Australia, in between sampling the bourgeois lifestyle so that I may better condemn it."
You know folks, we have been very, very unkind to AP. Obviously his chosen lifestyle makes it impossible for him to afford the evil capitalists planes to travel to the glories of the DPRK. I propose that we, his friends on NSG, help him out by setting up a PayPal account to buy him a one way ticket to North Korea. Not only will he then get to experience all the Stalinism that he wants, since NS is no doubt blocked in North Korea, we should be rid of him as well. What say you all, people of NSG?

You know folks, we have been very, very unkind to AP. Obviously his chosen lifestyle makes it impossible for him to afford the evil capitalists planes to travel to the glories of the DPRK. I propose that we, his friends on NSG, help him out by setting up a PayPal account to buy him a one way ticket to North Korea. Not only will he then get to experience all the Stalinism that he wants, since NS is no doubt blocked in North Korea, we should be rid of him as well. What say you all, people of NSG?

An excellent idea. I will send in a bit of spare cash for the effort.

An excellent idea. I will send in a bit of spare cash for the effort.

I can haz munneh?

Err....Comrade.

I can haz munneh?

Err....Comrade.

No, but you can have a one way plane ticket. :p

Change of plans, guys. Unless one of you is uber-rich, the sub idea is unrealistic, so instead we're going to travel to Vladivostok, Russia where we will acquire the necessary armaments, vehicles, and mercenaries at discounted prices. We will travel overland into China, then sneak across the mountainous part of the border into Korea.

Think about how crazy it would be if NSG actually did that. We'd be more famous than Anonymous... insane road trip.

Now let's just pretend we did it and not.

Ahhh.. those were the crazy days of our youths, simply crazy..

Change of plans, guys. Unless one of you is uber-rich, the sub idea is unrealistic, so instead we're going to travel to Vladivostok, Russia where we will acquire the necessary armaments, vehicles, and mercenaries at discounted prices. We will travel overland into China, then sneak across the mountainous part of the border into Korea.

Change of plans, guys. Unless one of you is uber-rich, the sub idea is unrealistic, so instead we're going to travel to Vladivostok, Russia where we will acquire the necessary armaments, vehicles, and mercenaries at discounted prices. We will travel overland into China, then sneak across the mountainous part of the border into Korea.

Why not just use that money to bribe some Chinese military type to start a boarder war with North Korea and use what's left of our funds to make sure it spills over into a full scale war? That way we don't have to worry as much about picking up the pieces? Or just buy a black market nuke, rig it for remote detention, give it to Kim Il Sung, then have a little "accident" when he inspects in personally?

Why not just use that money to bribe some Chinese military type to start a boarder war with North Korea and use what's left of our funds to make sure it spills over into a full scale war? That way we don't have to worry as much about picking up the pieces? Or just buy a black market nuke, rig it for remote detention, give it to Kim Il Sung, then have a little "accident" when he inspects in personally?

Well, I have doubts about the corruptibility of the Chinese to the extent that a serious war could be started - plus that would probably cause Kim Jong Il to hunker down, and possibly China to try to conquer North Korea, and well, it's just a messy situation. As for the black market nuke, I'm game if anybody has any reliable black market contacts and we can find somebody with the expertise to rig it up properly. It might actually be easier to make a more generic gift for Kim Jong Il himself on behalf of some sympathetic organization, and rig it to explode conventionally when approached by any smiling man trying to compensate for his height with his haircut.