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I will say one last thing on this topic (maybe)

As I have said a couple of times before while oppressed maybe a too strong a word you can not deny the fact that they may feel singled out on their beliefs.

Irrespective of whether this is right or not over the years there has been a push by many people that the expressions of their belief must be toned down where others are encouraged to express their beliefs or non-beliefs (as I said it doesn't matter if this is right or not), this may lead to a sense that they are being 'oppressed'

People may also state they are oppressed (too strong a word but you can blame the media for that) when they are ridiculed for their beliefs such as it has gone on in this very thread.

Many people have stated that Christians shouldn't be preaching or spreading what they believe to be true, on the same wavelength those very people also spread what they believe to be true by arguing that there is no God or that everything in the Bible is made up (which is false regardless of your beliefs), perhaps those people should lead by example.

One of the amusing things on this thread is that throughout most threads on the NSG forum are asked for proof of their claim, can the OP show me some sources on this issue where Christian groups are claiming to being 'oppressed' (I am sure you can and will)

Finally quote a saying I personally don't like it and cringe when I hear it but nevertheless "If you don't stand(believe) in something you will fall for anything"

Many people have stated that Christians shouldn't be preaching or spreading what they believe to be true

Who?

I will say one last thing on this topic (maybe)

As I have said a couple of times before while oppressed maybe a too strong a word you can not deny the fact that they may feel singled out on their beliefs.Singled out is good, because it doesn't carry the connotation that the singling out is unjustified.
Irrespective of whether this is right or not over the years there has been a push by many people that the expressions of their belief must be toned down where others are encouraged to express their beliefs or non-beliefs (as I said it doesn't matter if this is right or not), this may lead to a sense that they are being 'oppressed'This is because they are toned much higher than the other beliefs or non-beliefs, or because said non-beliefs are a neutral alternative to avoid discriminating against all the beliefs. Being asked to behave like the other beliefs by not mandating prayer in school, their own religious laws on courthouses, or similar things is justified.
People may also state they are oppressed (too strong a word but you can blame the media for that) when they are ridiculed for their beliefs such as it has gone on in this very thread.Many beliefs are ridiculous. You'll note that its primarily Christians posting ridiculous things in this thread (quietly distracting from the fact that many Christians in this thread have not done the same). If a Muslim, Jew, or worshipper of the Aztec pantheon had done similar, they too would have been ridiculed.
Many people have stated that Christians shouldn't be preaching or spreading what they believe to be true, on the same wavelength those very people also spread what they believe to be true by arguing that there is no God or that everything in the Bible is made up (which is false regardless of your beliefs), perhaps those people should lead by example.Damn straight. Note that in my opinion this doesn't apply to discussing your faith and why you think its the right way in the relevant threads on this forum. It applies to going to other people's houses and telling them they're wrong on account of a book you read, which incidentally I have only seen Christians do.
Finally quote a saying I personally don't like it and cringe when I hear it but nevertheless "If you don't stand(believe) in something you will fall for anything"Well, standing for nothing is still standing for something ;)

An American friend of mine belongs to this semi-religious (they have rituals but people don't have to partake if they wish not to, and joining the 'brotherhood' doesn't mean you have to change your official religious status) society, and he's a priest - and can under the State law perform stuff like marriages. Yet the society/religion would be put in the category "pagan", and the marriages count as civil marriages, such as those performed by a magistrate official.

If any sort of religion in the USA scares me, it's Xtianity (which includes all sorts of Christian religions) with the leaders of the country telling people "god speaks to me" and "god told me to go to war with Iraq". There's a word for religious wars: jihad. And any normal person claiming he hears god talking to him, would be put on medication and heavy therapy for their obvious psychosis.

So all in all, it's the Xtianity that needs to be put on a leash, not any "fringe" religions, even if said religions were practiced by a billion people (Hinduism, for example) around the globe.

Personally I'm quitting my church at the end of this year, for two reasons: 1) when I was little, I used to believe in god, even believed He/She was actually listening, but then I was taught about religion and lost my childlike belief; 2) taxes.

Who?
To be fair, I say it all the time. I think Christianity is bunk and I think Christians are wrong for believing it and wrong for spreading it. I think they're very, very, very, very wrong for indoctrinating their children into it.

However, I do not now, nor have I ever, supported making Christianity illegal. I do not now, nor have I ever, supported banning Christians from holding their beliefs or practicing their religion, so long as they abide under the same code of law that is applied to all citizens. I don't believe in banning everything that is stupid.

One of the amusing things on this thread is that throughout most threads on the NSG forum are asked for proof of their claim, can the OP show me some sources on this issue where Christian groups are claiming to being 'oppressed' (I am sure you can and will)

If you were remotely intellectually honest, then you would simply turn on your TV or your radio and find 10 examples for yourself within half an hour.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I read through a whole newspaper without encountering at least one article or editorial on supposed "anti-Christian" bias or discrimination in the USA.

The problem is not finding one example to back up the statement. The problem is trying to live through a single day without enduring a flood of such examples. If only I could manage to NOT encounter examples of this crap...

I say, before anybody can claim special rights for Christianity they should take the following test :

http://russellsteapot.com/images/comics/2007/Image072.jpg

That's just great, I definitely need to remember that one.

That's just great, I definitely need to remember that one.

Check out the rest of the comics on www.russellsteapot.com, there's some true gold on that page :D

On a similar note, though, I think a student should be allowed to quietly pray to him or herself, though, but kids have gotten in trouble for doing that.

They can do it during recess. Other talking isn't allowed in class either, so why should a prayer? And if they say it quietly (meaning only they can hear it), I can't really see them getting in trouble for that. Others might tease them for muttering to themselves, but that's their problem. Of course, if they include hand signs, such as crossing themselves, or body signs, such as prostating themselves in the direction of Mecca, then they should be prepared to get in trouble. You can get in trouble for masturbating in a public place, so why not getting in trouble for other bodily forms of pleasing yourself? ;)

While a prayer is being said by the teacher or over the PA system the child could choose not to listen.

The teachers should dish out earplugs then. :D

Man1: "Abortion should not be allowed as it destroys a living being"

Man2: "Shut up you Christian stop imposing your beliefs onto me it shouldn't be allowed"

Man1: "Just becuase I am Christian he thinks I don't get the right to speak what I believe is true"

Woman: "Shut up, both of you. It's my body and my decision. Get a womb, wussies."

But they do have the option of not participating. While a prayer is being said by the teacher or over the PA system the child could choose not to listen.Not to be nitpicky here, but how would a child not listening have any influence on the unconstitutional act of establishing a state religion by having a state employee (teacher) organizing a prayer?

I see no problem with school officials leading prayers from several religions on any given today.

So, let's see... 3 Christian ones (catholic, orthodox and protestant), one Muslim, one Jewish (in Hebrew, of course), 3 Hindu ones (there's hundreds, I know, but for balance just three), one Buddhist (would that be in sanscrit?), one Mother Nature (wiccan and other New Age religions can argue about that), one Spaghetti Monster (it IS a religion) and one vaguely appeasing greeting to non-believers.

That makes 12. Let's give 2 minutes each to be fair. That's 24 minutes out of 45 minutes of class.

Earplugs. They don't cost a lot.

So, let's see... 3 Christian ones (catholic, orthodox and protestant), one Muslim, one Jewish (in Hebrew, of course), 3 Hindu ones (there's hundreds, I know, but for balance just three), one Buddhist (would that be in sanscrit?), one Mother Nature (wiccan and other New Age religions can argue about that), one Spaghetti Monster (it IS a religion) and one vaguely appeasing greeting to non-believers.

That makes 12. Let's give 2 minutes each to be fair. That's 24 minutes out of 45 minutes of class.

Earplugs. They don't cost a lot.


Yep or here's a qaint idea, and please do stop me iff you have heard it before, but why not, just not allow prayers in school? *gasp*:D

So, let's see... 3 Christian ones (catholic, orthodox and protestant), one Muslim, one Jewish (in Hebrew, of course), 3 Hindu ones (there's hundreds, I know, but for balance just three), one Buddhist (would that be in sanscrit?), one Mother Nature (wiccan and other New Age religions can argue about that), one Spaghetti Monster (it IS a religion) and one vaguely appeasing greeting to non-believers.

That makes 12. Let's give 2 minutes each to be fair. That's 24 minutes out of 45 minutes of class.

Earplugs. They don't cost a lot.

You're missing a lot.
You've just pissed off half of all pagans and neo-pagans, a number of the eastern religions, all the native ones, and of course the Scientologists. So now you have hundreds of stuff to add, and make sure there is no room for Scientologists still.

I exist! I exist! *jumps up and down waving arms in the air enthusiastically*

Ever heard the saying "I think I am, therefore I think I exist"? :p

You're missing a lot.
You've just pissed off half of all pagans and neo-pagans, a number of the eastern religions, all the native ones, and of course the Scientologists. So now you have hundreds of stuff to add, and make sure there is no room for Scientologists still.

Lol, agreed with that last. And hey, feel free to make a complete list. I'll then calculate how many minutes it'll take. ;)

Lol, agreed with that last. And hey, feel free to make a complete list. I'll then calculate how many minutes it'll take. ;)

No need, there just arn't enough minutes in a day. If you do half a minute for everything, you might pull it off. Better to just let them do it individually on their own time.

Ever heard the saying "I think I am, therefore I think I exist"? :p

Cogito Eggo Sum. I think, therefore I am a waffle.

As for the Peter the Great fact, WTF? A tax for the size of a man's beard? Friggin' Russia.

Length of beard, I believe. And it was aimed at cossacks, whom the emperor felt were a danger to his control of the society. My father wrote an article about this once, but I'd have to dig it up to check if my memory's correct. :)

Friggin' Russia.

That would have been the Empire of Russia, not the modern Russia. Don't confuse the two, thanks. :rolleyes:

Didn't a man have some influence in the fertilisation of the egg?

He sure did, his influence extended to putting his dick in her. He had the right to exclude his influence by not putting his dick in her. His influence ended once he finished adding his sperm.

If you were remotely intellectually honest, then you would simply turn on your TV or your radio and find 10 examples for yourself within half an hour.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I read through a whole newspaper without encountering at least one article or editorial on supposed "anti-Christian" bias or discrimination in the USA.

The problem is not finding one example to back up the statement. The problem is trying to live through a single day without enduring a flood of such examples. If only I could manage to NOT encounter examples of this crap...

Well actually I do but unfortunatly I don't get a lot of American press ABC news, CNN news, NBC today, are the ones I see the most of and no I don't see this at all. So i will repeat the statement

Didn't a man have some influence in the fertilisation of the egg?Yes. And therefore influence is all he gets in the decision. :)

Woman: "Shut up, both of you. It's my body and my decision. Get a womb, wussies."

Didn't a man have some influence in the fertilisation of the egg?

Now I don't know if you have children or not or ever plan to but as you take this view you had better not place or talk to your children on any of your beliefs whether it be religion, political ideology etc. because then you are just as bad as those you are criticisng.

For example if you believe that free trade should be allowed between all countries in the world, then you speak to your children about why it is right then you are very, very, very, very wrong for indoctrinating your child(ren) into it.

Hehe you are very, very, very , very funny.

Can you not see the differance between ohh lets say teaching your kids that racism is wrong, and umm I dunno, teaching your kids that only belife in Jesus will save them?

Nor the differance, between indoctrinisation, and discussing?

No

Come on, he should have a say. Just not the final decision.

So shouldn't the father have a say?

BTW: I was just using that as an example I could easily change it from Man1 and Man2 to Woman1 and Woman2 or even change the topic say to euthanasia

Sorry, a say in what? Sorry can't be bothered to trawl back.

Why not it is his childAfter its born, yeah.

To be fair, I say it all the time. I think Christianity is bunk and I think Christians are wrong for believing it and wrong for spreading it. I think they're very, very, very, very wrong for indoctrinating their children into it.

Now I don't know if you have children or not or ever plan to but as you take this view you had better not place or talk to your children on any of your beliefs whether it be religion, political ideology etc. because then you are just as bad as those you are criticisng.

For example if you believe that free trade should be allowed between all countries in the world, then you speak to your children about why it is right then you are very, very, very, very wrong for indoctrinating your child(ren) into it.

One other thing if the child decides not to follow those beliefs then it will do that regardless of their upbringing

Yes. And therefore influence is all he gets in the decision. :)

So shouldn't the father have a say?

BTW: I was just using that as an example I could easily change it from Man1 and Man2 to Woman1 and Woman2 or even change the topic say to euthanasia

So shouldn't the father have a say?

No

So is that as far as he should worry about it once that has happened he can walk away and if the female decides to give birth he doesn't have to worry about it his influence is finished as you say, so no child support or having to care for the child

His influence in the reproduction is certainly finished. His influence in the child after it is born is a seperate story.

He has the right to influence the reproduction of a child to the extent that his body participates in the reproduction of that child. His body participates only to the point of fertilization. Therefore his influence on the conception of a child extends only to the point of fertilization and no further.

What responsibilities he has to a born child is an entirely seperate matter.

He sure did, his influence extended to putting his dick in her. He had the right to exclude his influence by not putting his dick in her. His influence ended once he finished adding his sperm.

So is that as far as he should worry about it once that has happened he can walk away and if the female decides to give birth he doesn't have to worry about it his influence is finished as you say, so no child support or having to care for the child

No

Why not it is his child

...

For example if you believe that free trade should be allowed between all countries in the world, then you speak to your children about why it is right then you are very, very, very, very wrong for indoctrinating your child(ren) into it.


Free trade is something that demonstrably exists, so having an opinion on it is hardly comparable to indoctrinating a child about supernatural beings.

So shouldn't the father have a say?

He did.

Didn't a man have some influence in the fertilisation of the egg?

Not really. You really don't need the man there. You just need the sperm, which is easily acquired through your local sperm bank. That and the man doesn't carry the burden of the pregnancy. So, he has the luxury of the sex without the pain of the 9 month burden.

The abortion of their child

1) this thread is going off topic

2) if you don't even know the fundamentally basic terminology of the topic you are discussing you are ill equipped to discuss it

3) better people than you have tried to make these arguments, and they weren't successful either. I suggest you stop your clumsy attempts and just end it here for your own sake.

So shouldn't the father have a say?He does. Just not the last say.
BTW: I was just using that as an example I could easily change it from Man1 and Man2 to Woman1 and Woman2 or even change the topic say to euthanasiaNot sure what you're talking about here.

Right so he wants the child! does that mean anything of course not because it the males of the species only has a say when it suits the women. And the women say they are being oppressed.He doesn't have an equal share in the process of birth, therefore he doesn't have an equal share in the decision about the process of birth. Giving him an unproportional say in the matter would indeed be oppression of the woman. :)

Sorry, a say in what? Sorry can't be bothered to trawl back.

The abortion of their child

Right so he wants the child!

Tough shit for him. His say in the reproductive process ended when his involvement in the reproductive process ended. What is so hard for you to get about this?

does that mean anything of course not because it the males of the species only has a say when it suits the women. And the women say they are being oppressed.

And here we see a very similar example to the thread topic, so thanks for bringing us about on that. The thread has been about certain groups arguing they are oppressed, not because they have less rights, but because they have the same rights.

And we see a perfect example here. THe bemoaning "oh the poor oppressed men!" Except here's the problem.

What is the right of the man in this case? The man has a right to make decisions regarding his involvement in reproduction up to the point that his body's participation in the reproductive cycle ends.

What is the right of the woman in this case? The woman has a right to make decisions regarding her involvement in reproduction up to the point that her body's participation in the reproductive cycle ends.

Their rights are identical. Both men and women have the right to make decisions regarding their involvement in reproduction up until the point that their respective bodies' participation in the preproductive cycle ends. The man had his choice, he chose to participate in an act that could lead to reproduction. Once his part of it was complete, he no longer had a right to have any impact in the fate of that reproduction, his participation in it was over.

But you whine and moan and gnash your teeth about how men are oppressed, not because they don't have the right to control their own bodies, which they do, but that they don't have the right to control a woman's body too. And once again, you not having the right ot interfere in someone else's body doesn't mean you're oppressed.

And if you think it does, you need to grow up.

He did.

Right so he wants the child! does that mean anything of course not because it the males of the species only has a say when it suits the women. And the women say they are being oppressed.

Not really. You really don't need the man there. You just need the sperm, which is easily acquired through your local sperm bank. That and the man doesn't carry the burden of the pregnancy. So, he has the luxury of the sex without the pain of the 9 month burden.

well why would a woman go the a sperm bank to get pregnant just to have an abortion?

1) this thread is going off topic

2) if you don't even know the fundamentally basic terminology of the topic you are discussing you are ill equipped to discuss it

3) better people than you have tried to make these arguments, and they weren't successful either. I suggest you stop your clumsy attempts and just end it here for your own sake.

Thats right end it now becuase you don't want to dicuss it therefore you will win blah blah blah, but my point wasn't to get into a debate on abortion and if it was right or wrong but to say that the child (fetus) (which noone cannot deny that it is a living creature) and i never but my thoughts on if it was right or wrong in this thread. But as someone pointed out it is the womans child my attempt was just to have a short retoric saying that the child is also the mans and I did not anticipate it to go on like this

I know we are going of topic and I dont mean to this relates back to my post which was related to the topic.

The abortion of their child

Ahh I see, then of course he has an input, but utimatly it is the womans desicion to take on board or ignore his input.

Tough shit for him. His say in the reproductive process ended when his involvement in the reproductive process ended. What is so hard for you to get about this?



And here we see a very similar example to the thread topic, so thanks for bringing us about on that. The thread has been about certain groups arguing they are oppressed, not because they have less rights, but because they have the same rights.

And we see a perfect example here. The bemoaning "oh the poor oppressed men!" Except here's the problem.

What is the right of the man in this case? The man has a right to make decisions regarding his involvement in reproduction up to the point that his body's participation in the reproductive cycle ends.

What is the right of the woman in this case? The woman has a right to make decisions regarding her involvement in reproduction up to the point that her body's participation in the reproductive cycle ends.

Their rights are identical. Both men and women have the right to make decisions regarding their involvement in reproduction up until the point that their respective bodies' participation in the preproductive cycle ends. But you whine and moan and gnash your teeth about how men are oppressed, not because they don't have the right to control their own bodies but that they don't have the right to control a woman's body too. And once again, you not having the right ot interfere in someone else's body doesn't mean you're oppressed.

And if you think it does, you need to grow up.

when did I ever say the "poor oppressed men" and in regards to your last paragraph I was actually referring to the fact that the father has no rights to his unborn child, not on the women's body and no I do not think that not having the ability to control other people means that I am oppressed nor did I ever say that, so you can stop with your little slurs.

Oh and being catholic here is something I use from the Bible not that you care as everything in the Bible is false and a crock of shit (yes I am assuming feel free to correct me) i will paraphase for you and it is from genesis "Men and women are created equally" (the symbolism used in this to enforce this ideal is that women were created from the rib of Adam not from the head as that would place her aboce him and not from the foot as that would place him aove her but from the rib as they are both equal) now that statement that women and men are equal is something that I hold to

(Not to go off topic again) This is one of the problems living in a liberal democracy where do we draw the line on the right of the individual and what the majority thinks after all do we allow euthanasia or any thing else because one person is for it and every body else within the electorate is against it? Don't bother replying to it it goes a bit off topic just think about it

when did I ever say the "poor oppressed men" and in regards to your last paragraph I was actually referring to the fact that the father has no rights to his unborn child, not on the women's body and no I do not think that not having the ability to control other people means that I am oppressed nor did I ever say that, so you can stop with your little slurs.

He has no right to control someone elses body, correct.

(Not to go off topic again) This is one of the problems living in a liberal democracy where do we draw the line on the right of the individual and what the majority thinks after all do we allow euthanasia or any thing else because one person is for it and every body else within the electorate is against it? Don't bother replying to it it goes a bit off topic just think about it

I have thought about it, the bolded part is where you went off. The fetus isn't a person.

Free trade is something that demonstrably exists, so having an opinion on it is hardly comparable to indoctrinating a child about supernatural beings.

Isn't it why should it matter you are still imposing your beliefs on to the child something which Bottle said was wrong

But as someone pointed out it is the womans child

Who said that, exactly? It is nobody's child as there is no child. It is a fetus, which they were both involved in creating but which resides, entirely, in the woman's body. In fact, please find for me the quote where someone said "it was the woman's child".

Do find for me where someone said that in this thread. I'll wait right here.

my attempt was just to have a short retoric saying that the child is also the mans

The child is not the man's as there is no child. There is just a fetus. A fetus he helped create, surely, but one that is not in his body.

when did I ever say the "poor oppressed men" and in regards to your last paragraph I was actually referring to the fact that the father has no rights to his unborn child, not on the women's body and no I do not think that not having the ability to control other people means that I am oppressed nor did I ever say that, so you can stop with your little slurs.

Oh and being catholic here is something I use from the Bible not that you care as everything in the Bible is false and a crock of shit (yes I am assuming feel free to correct me) i will paraphase for you and it is from genesis "Men and women are created equally" (the symbolism used in this to enforce this ideal is that women were created from the rib of Adam not from the head as that would place her aboce him and not from the foot as that would place him aove her but from the rib as they are both equal) now that statement that women and men are equal is something that I hold to

(Not to go off topic again) This is one of the problems living in a liberal democracy where do we draw the line on the right of the individual and what the majority thinks after all do we allow euthanasia or any thing else because one person is for it and every body else within the electorate is against it? Don't bother replying to it it goes a bit off topic just think about it

Have you ever heard of commas and full stops? Seriously, they will allow people to make a little more sense of what you typed there, cause I can't read it for the life of me.

I wasn't talking about the fetus as the issue mentioned in that post is euthanasia

Why should everyone else in the electorate vote on whether or not I die in a manner I prefer, instead of going through more pain and suffering?

It's my life, right? Why should you or anyone else dictate my actions to me?

When was the last time you heard of someone making their child say their 'free trade prayers' or go to 'free trade sunday school' or thank free trade for the food they are about to eat etc...

We should ask if children in Japan know the company song for the place where their parents work.

Isn't it why should it matter you are still imposing your beliefs on to the child something which Bottle said was wrong

When was the last time you heard of someone making their child say their 'free trade prayers' or go to 'free trade sunday school' or thank free trade for the food they are about to eat etc...

I wasn't talking about the fetus as the issue mentioned in that post is euthanasia

You tried to make a "point" and failed miserably, by trying to say you were just using abortion "as an example" and said you could just as easily used euthenasia.

The problem is, as you yourself point out, they are not comparable analogies. Thus your point falls, quite unsurprisingly, flat on its face.

when did I ever say the "poor oppressed men" and in regards to your last paragraph I was actually referring to the fact that the father has no rights to his unborn child, not on the women's body and no I do not think that not having the ability to control other people means that I am oppressed nor did I ever say that, so you can stop with your little slurs.I'm sorry I took my time to answer this, but I assure you the wait is worthwhile, since the reply is in picture form:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/WeightShow.png

I have thought about it, the bolded part is where you went off. The fetus isn't a person.

I wasn't talking about the fetus as the issue mentioned in that post is euthanasia

Well since Christianity is just the spawn of Judaism, as many other religions are, that picking on christianity is just like a farmer trying to trim one branch off the same damned tree

Why not it is his child

No it isn't, it isn't a child yet.

Right so he wants the child! does that mean anything of course not because it the males of the species only has a say when it suits the women. And the women say they are being oppressed.

If he wants a child that badly then he can adopt. He doesn't have the 'right' to turn a woman into his baby making machine.

Who said that, exactly? It is nobody's child as there is no child. It is a fetus, which they were both involved in creating but which resides, entirely, in the woman's body. In fact, please find for me the quote where someone said "it was the woman's child".

Do find for me where someone said that in this thread. I'll wait right here.

Sorry I lost myself you can wait all you want i may have said it but to change it for you the fetus which is living and was partly created by the man as is the usual method of reproduction which when born will become a child.

The child is not the man's as there is no child. There is just a fetus. A fetus he helped create, surely, but one that is not in his body.

yes it is not in his body and you can blame evolution, God, intelligent design whatever you want really but the fetus is partly the man's and the woman's and no it is not one that is in his body but is one he has too look after yes OK before you say it along with the mother for the next 18 years at least.
Now i am not saying abortion is wrong and I am not saying abortion is right but as I said this entire situation came about because I replied to someones reply to my post which brought up this issue perhaps i should have used something else like euthanasia or swearing on the bible in court or even what time loud music should be turned off in built up areas

I don't see how if you looked at my post in which started this entire chain of events you would see that abortion was mentioned but I picked that out of the air as an example as to why some christians may feel oppressed.

An example that has been discussed, dealt with, and rejected in this thread. Nobody is forced to get an abortion, no christian is required to get an abortion against her will. THAT would be oppression. It would be oppression if they were made to do something against their religious tenants.

But they're not. All that it is is that they are prevented from having control over other people. And you are not oppressed simply because you don't have the right to control someone else.

And if they think they are, they're wrong, and they need to grow the fuck up too.

..and the lack of punctuation, as Cabra pointed out. Were you traumatised by a semi-colon as a small child?

Shhhh. Don't bring it up, it's to painful for him to even think about.
;)

..and the lack of punctuation, as Cabra pointed out. Were you traumatised by a semi-colon as a small child?

a coma killed my mother, and raped my father!

What has that got to do with anything, and just to answer your question i have heard some things similar to these lines 'thanks to free trade we consumers now have more choice at a cheaper rate than before"

and once again the point flies waaaaaay over your head.

What has that got to do with anything, and just to answer your question i have heard some things similar to these lines 'thanks to free trade we consumers now have more choice at a cheaper rate than before"

The main difference between god and NAFTA is NAFTA is real.

You tried to make a "point" and failed miserably, by trying to say you were just using abortion "as an example" and said you could just as easily used euthenasia.

The problem is, as you yourself point out, they are not comparable analogies. Thus your point falls, quite unsurprisingly, flat on its face.

I don't see how if you looked at my post in which started this entire chain of events you would see that abortion was mentioned but I picked that out of the air as an example as to why some christians may feel oppressed.

It was intended as something which is topical and something which you see many ecclesiastical churches publicly oppose same as euthanasia do you see that Neo Art. And just refreash my memory as i am sure i did say it where did I say that they were not comparable analogies

It gets hard to follow everything said due to the time warps

It gets hard to follow everything said due to the time warps...

..and the lack of punctuation, as Cabra pointed out. Were you traumatised by a semi-colon as a small child?

ARGH! BLOUMAN, RHAMBUTAN!

Could you please fiddle around with the "forums" part of "forums.jolt.co.uk/" until you find one that's compatible with real time? Take out or add a 2 or 3 after the "forums". PLEASE!

When was the last time you heard of someone making their child say their 'free trade prayers' or go to 'free trade sunday school' or thank free trade for the food they are about to eat etc...

What has that got to do with anything, and just to answer your question i have heard some things similar to these lines 'thanks to free trade we consumers now have more choice at a cheaper rate than before"

..and the lack of punctuation, as Cabra pointed out. Were you traumatised by a semi-colon as a small child?

ha ha very funny, No I was just educated in a curriculum (South Australia education system) where grammar was hardly taught to me, sure i know a few things but that was thanks to my mum who was a qualified teacher but choose not to and was also taught grammar back in the days when it was done properly and I read a very good book on the grammar and the English language when i was younger, I have forgotten the book's name and apparently most of what was in there. Nowadays it is hardly done at all and is not going to get better as more new teachers my age are entering the school system who don't know even less than me but that is a story for another thread and another argument

The main difference between god and NAFTA is NAFTA is real.

So that makes it right to impose your beliefs on the issue on your small child without giving him any facts on the issue

Right so he wants the child! does that mean anything of course not because it the males of the species only has a say when it suits the women. And the women say they are being oppressed.
I love this argument.

"To this day, female human beings are denied the right to ownership of their own bodies, and are not permitted to decide when and how their bodies participate in reproduction. Many women object to this state of affairs. Therefore, men are the ones who are really oppressed."

It's just like how Christians are oppressed because sometimes people object to acts of bigotry by Christians.

Why not it is his child
If any guy was ever stupid enough to tell me that he should get to control my body because "it's his child too," I would make a special point to mail him the embryo/fetus after my abortion.

Here, it's your baby, buddy. You gestate it.

Well that may mean you are not explaining it well enough to me (and if that means to you simple words then i don't really care)

I fear that recent posts have quite adequately demonstrated that further effort would be a waste of my time.

An example that has been discussed, dealt with, and rejected in this thread. Nobody is forced to get an abortion, no christian is required to get an abortion against her will. THAT would be oppression. It would be oppression if they were made to do something against their religious tenants.

But they're not. All that it is is that they are prevented from having control over other people. And you are not oppressed simply because you don't have the right to control someone else.

And if they think they are, they're wrong, and they need to grow the fuck up too.

I never said that (still with the slurs Neo art i refer to "too"). In regards to your first paragraph I posted it well before that happened the only reason why I brought it up was because someone in the past six hours replied to my original post done a long time ago

I love this argument.

"To this day, female human beings are denied the right to ownership of their own bodies, and are not permitted to decide when and how their bodies participate in reproduction. Many women object to this state of affairs. Therefore, men are the ones who are really oppressed."

It's just like how Christians are oppressed because sometimes people object to acts of bigotry by Christians.
I tried answering it, but it got losted in the timewarp. =(
(Gender roles may or may not be reversed)
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So that makes it right to impose your beliefs on the issue on your small child without giving him any facts on the issue

No, but there are actual facts that can be presented about NAFTA.

Well that may mean you are not explaining it well enough to me (and if that means to you simple words then i don't really care)

As for you, Rambhutan and Dyakovo very funny I do actually have a large grin on my face because of those comments over the comas.

I'm glad, since that was my intention :D

and once again the point flies waaaaaay over your head.

Well that may mean you are not explaining it well enough to me (and if that means to you simple words then i don't really care)

As for you, Rambhutan and Dyakovo very funny I do actually have a large grin on my face because of those comments over the comas.

Fine you can be like that if you want to but failing to convince me means that you lose your argument,

Your failure to understand somebody's points doesn't mean they lost their argument.

Fine you can be like that if you want to but failing to convince me means that you lose your argument, now that doesn't mean i win as i didn't convince you either
Ach, that can easily be rectified by me declaring victory for Neo Art.

Fine you can be like that if you want to but failing to convince me means that you lose your argument.

Me failing to convince a rock that the sky is blue does not mean I lost the argument, as the rock is incapable of understanding any argument I can give it.

The only thing I lost is the time I spent arguing with a rock.

I love this argument.

"To this day, female human beings are denied the right to ownership of their own bodies, and are not permitted to decide when and how their bodies participate in reproduction. Many women object to this state of affairs. Therefore, men are the ones who are really oppressed."

It's just like how Christians are oppressed because sometimes people object to acts of bigotry by Christians.

i was thinking the same thing. someone else getting an abortion or electing to die cannot oppress ME. if you dont believe in abortion dont get one. someone else's decision to abort is irrelevant.

I fear that recent posts have quite adequately demonstrated that further effort would be a waste of my time.

Fine you can be like that if you want to but failing to convince me means that you lose your argument, now that doesn't mean i win as i didn't convince you either

If you are referring to the fact that the difference between NAFTA or any other free trade agreement is different to God because NAFTA is real, I was actually referring to the ideal of free trade I can change it to the ideal of Communism as there is yet to be any pure communist regime in the world and is an ideal thus bringing your child(ren) up on the idea of communism without the facts is just as bad.

a coma killed my mother, and raped my father!
Hey, don't joke. A coma actually impregnated my mother and forced her to keep the baby because he didn't believe in abortions. My mother gave birth to a monster! *breaks down in tears*

Extremist Christian: "God exists, and you are condemned to Hell if you don't believe in him (not her or them), and, oh by the way, you have to believe in him the way I believe in him. And if you don't do everything my way, I'll disrupt your funerals and your observances of various holidays."

Atheist/Agnostic: "I disagree."

Extremist Christian: "I"M BEING OPPRESSED."

My mother gave birth to a monster! *breaks down in tears*

But wait, wouldn't that be you..

But wait, wouldn't that be you..
Yes, I'm half coma, half human. That explains the inner grammar nazi.

Fine you can be like that if you want to but failing to convince me means that you lose your argument, now that doesn't mean i win as i didn't convince you either

If you are referring to the fact that the difference between NAFTA or any other free trade agreement is different to God because NAFTA is real, I was actually referring to the ideal of free trade I can change it to the ideal of Communism as there is yet to be any pure communist regime in the world and is an ideal thus bringing your child(ren) up on the idea of communism without the facts is just as bad.

do you really think that parents indoctrinate their children on nafta? thats sillier than thinking that because bottle said it, neo art believes it.

I love this argument.

"To this day, female human beings are denied the right to ownership of their own bodies, and are not permitted to decide when and how their bodies participate in reproduction. Many women object to this state of affairs. Therefore, men are the ones who are really oppressed."

It's just like how Christians are oppressed because sometimes people object to acts of bigotry by Christians.

OK yes fine as I said it was abortion that I used didn't realise it was such a touchy topic here blame my ignorance! On US thought on the issue and/or the NSG populations thought

But I could have changed it over to anything else euthanasia, When time blaring music should be turned down in built up areas etc.

If you or anyone else here had bothered to read any of my other posts you would have seen that I said that saying that Christians were oppressed was too strong a word after all they are not being oppressed.

I said they may feel it again using the word in the wrong context for a variety of reasons such as when they are told to bugger off because their opinion on an issue regardless of what it is (and yes it usually is the more controversial topics) because they are Christian and their opinion does not matter, regardless on if this is the exact case this may be how they feel from what they read or hear.

When they are ridiculed for their beliefs they may feel oppressed yes as I have stated umpteen times on this thread the word is too strong for this.

And never have I said the Christians are oppressed in the US I have said that those Christians that do say that they are, are using the beating up the issue by using this word, which I have constantly said is not right. I have given reasons as to why they may feel that they are being oppressed.

As the OP of this thread suggests that they should sit down and shut up there is another reason they may feel oppressed because they are not allowed to express what the think when they see others being allowed to.

And again because I enjoy repeating myself I have not said that Christians have been oppressed in the US in recent history past 100 years or so. And I have said that they are using too strong a word. (personally I blame the media)

There broken up and 13 grammatical marks. A personal best

do you really think that parents indoctrinate their children on nafta? thats sillier than thinking that because bottle said it, neo art believes it.

I was using it as an example, and yes some may do by saying something small over the dinner table or while watching the news these things may stick in the mind of the child. Same way some may believe in Communism because that is how their parents brought them up.

Are you saying I am a rock? Yes it is a rhetorical question!

Once again personal slurs Neo Art "incapable of understanding" "a rock"
Haha, I'd like to meet a person who actually understands the thoughts and speech of rocks. That would be amazing.
Well it dosen't mean they won it either but I don't want to go into that you can I don't really care if you do or not.

But before evryone continues to attack me please read my main post posted at 5:32 PM
Trying to read it. Still, you lack of punctuation is frustrating and headache-inducing, especially to the offspring of a comma.

Are you saying I am a rock? No, more like a tape recorder. Rocks don't talk back.Yes it is a rhetorical question!D'oh! Too late! >.<
Once again personal slurs Neo Art "incapable of understanding" "a rock"It's really hard understanding rocks. They mumble a lot.

Me failing to convince a rock that the sky is blue does not mean I lost the argument, as the rock is incapable of understanding any argument I can give it.

The only thing I lost is the time I spent arguing with a rock.

Are you saying I am a rock? Yes it is a rhetorical question!

Once again personal slurs Neo Art "incapable of understanding" "a rock"

No, more like a tape recorder. Rocks don't talk back.D'oh! Too late! >.<
It's really hard understanding rocks. They mumble a lot.
Beat you. :p

In other news. LAEROD!!!!!!!! :fluffle:

Your failure to understand somebody's points doesn't mean they lost their argument.

Well it dosen't mean they won it either but I don't want to go into that you can I don't really care if you do or not.

But before evryone continues to attack me please read my main post posted at 5:32 PM

Voluntary euthanasia is not in any way oppressive.

Beat you. :pOnly to the mumbling! :mad:
In other news. LAEROD!!!!!!!! :fluffle:Not sure what I did to deserve this but :fluffle:
Whee!

Well it doesn't mean they won it either but I don't want to go into that. You can I don't really care if you do or not.

But before everyone continues to attack me please read my main post posted at 5:32 PM

Terrible grammar as usual. And yet again playing the "Help, Help, I'm being oppressed card. :rolleyes:

Well it dosen't mean they won it either but I don't want to go into that you can I don't really care if you do or not.

But before evryone continues to attack me please read my main post posted at 5:32 PMIf you took the time and effort to find out the time of your post, there's absolutely no excuse for not providing a link as well.

Haha, I'd like to meet a person who actually understands the thoughts and speech of rocks. That would be amazing.

Trying to read it. Still, your lack of punctuation is frustrating and headache-inducing, especially to the offspring of a comma.

Sorry Ladame, but if you're going to critique grammar, you've got to do it right. ;)

If your excuse for getting pwned about something you brought up is that you shouldn't have brought it up, I have to wonder what you were thinking when you brought it up in the first place.

That everybody here is three?

Voluntary euthanasia is not in any way oppressive.

Look I am sorry i brought up either of these two topics up that are related to my first post where this is mentioned. Next time I will use a far less controversial topic or when someone reply's to an example on something completing different to what we are arguing I won't take any notice. And if I do post on these topics i will wait untill there is a thread relating to them. I probably won't as I am in two minds over the issue and so do not have a firm opionin either way I could however argue on both sides of the camp if need be. Once again I feel sorry as I was not aware that it would blow out to this again my ignorance on the feeling on the subject held by the population in NSG I was not aware of.

ALRIGHT I KNOW MY GRAMMER IS TERRIBLE I WILL NOT DENY IT

At least Neo Art, Rambhutan and Dyakovo made a bit of a joke out of it which brought a smile to my face. While I will attempt to approve don't expect it to happen overnight.

What, your Grandma is what? Why would you say that?:D

Terrible grammar as usual. And yet again playing the "Help, Help, I'm being oppressed card. :rolleyes:

when did I ever say that?

Look I am sorry i brought up either of these two topics up that are related to my first post where this is mentioned. Next time I will use a far less controversial topic or when someone reply's to an example on something completing different to what we are arguing I won't take any notice. And if I do post on these topics i will wait untill there is a thread relating to them. I probably won't as I am in two minds over the issue and so do not have a firm opionin either way I could however argue on both sides of the camp if need be. Once again I feel sorry as I was not aware that it would blow out to this again my ignorance on the feeling on the subject held by the population in NSG I was not aware of.

If your excuse for getting pwned about something you brought up is that you shouldn't have brought it up, I have to wonder what you were thinking when you brought it up in the first place.

But I could have changed it over to anything else euthanasia, When time blaring music should be turned down in built up areas etc.

I really don't see how it would be the same argument, but feel free to show me.


If you or anyone else here had bothered to read any of my other posts you would have seen that I said that saying that Christians were oppressed was too strong a word after all they are not being oppressed.

I said they may feel it again using the word in the wrong context for a variety of reasons such as when they are told to bugger off because their opinion on an issue regardless of what it is (and yes it usually is the more controversial topics) because they are Christian and their opinion does not matter, regardless on if this is the exact case this may be how they feel from what they read or hear.

Let me try to clarify this for you, as so many others have already done:

Christians in the USA are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be told to shut the fuck up and quit sharing their opinions. Christians are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be told that they don't have a right to their opinions. Christians are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be legally barred from holding their opinions, from living according to their beliefs, and from making personal choices in accordance with their personal beliefs.

This is why Christians get laughed at when they bitch about how "oppressed" they feel.


When they are ridiculed for their beliefs they may feel oppressed yes as I have stated umpteen times on this thread the word is too strong for this.

And never have I said the Christians are oppressed in the US I have said that those Christians that do say that they are, are using the beating up the issue by using this word, which I have constantly said is not right. I have given reasons as to why they may feel that they are being oppressed.

Yeah, and lots of men "feel" oppressed by women's legal equality. Many racists feel oppressed because black people get to use the same water fountains as white people. These people are wrong. They're also being jackasses and need to get over themselves.


As the OP of this thread suggests that they should sit down and shut up there is another reason they may feel oppressed because they are not allowed to express what the think when they see others being allowed to.

Who's stopping them from "expressing themselves"? Yes, they face the possibility that other people will say "shut the fuck up." So? Since when does that stop anybody from speaking up?

I'm female, non-hetero, and non-religious. The government of my country tells me to shut the fuck up all the damn time. The entire mainstream media tells me to shut the fuck up. The controlling religious majority tells me to shut the fuck up.

I don't.

If Christians, or white people, or men, or any other controlling demographic really want to claim that they're "oppressed" when other people disagree with them, then their crying is gonna fall on deaf ears with me.


And again because I enjoy repeating myself I have not said that Christians have been oppressed in the US in recent history past 100 years or so.

The USA was FOUNDED by Christians who came here and FUCKING MURDERED the non-Christians who were here first.

EVERY SINGLE STATE in the Union had a Christian majority when it was founded.

There has never been a single day in the history of this country when Christians were actually being oppressed, unless you count all the times that various Christians oppressed OTHER Christians.


And I have said that they are using too strong a word. (personally I blame the media)

I blame the whiny-ass crybaby Christians who give all the non-pathetic Christians a bad name.

I probably won't as I am in two minds over the issue and so do not have a firm opionin either way I could however argue on both sides of the camp if need be.
Please do. And time-warp yourself, so that you answer every argument before you make it!

That's my point I wasn't thinking when I brought it up. I am in Australia where the abortion issue is done and dusted and accepted yes even by me as I don't really have a strong opinion on the topic either way. That is why I was not aware that the issue was still so strong for many people

Well, now you know that the abortion controversy is 'alive and well' in the U.S. and on NSG in general.

Cheers mate

Fixed

LOL

Terrible grammar as usual. And yet again playing the "Help, Help, I'm being oppressed card. :rolleyes:

ALRIGHT I KNOW MY GRAMMAR IS TERRIBLE I WILL NOT DENY IT

At least Neo Art, Rambhutan and Dyakovo made a bit of a joke out of it which brought a smile to my face. While I will attempt to improve don't expect it to happen overnight.

ALRIGHT I KNOW MY GRAMMER IS TERRIBLE I WILL NOT DENY IT

At least Neo Art, Rambhutan and Dyakovo made a bit of a joke out of it which brought a smile to my face. While I will attempt to approve don't expect it to happen overnight.

Your approval is unnecessary. IMPROVEMENT, now that might be a little useful.

If your excuse for getting pwned about something you brought up is that you shouldn't have brought it up, I have to wonder what you were thinking when you brought it up in the first place.

That's my point I wasn't thinking when I brought it up. I am in Australia where the abortion issue is done and dusted and accepted yes even by me as I don't really have a strong opinion on the topic either way. That is why I was not aware that the issue was still so strong for many people

That everybody here is three?

You're saying his argument might have worked on three year olds? What an insult...

...to three year olds.

Your approval is unnecessary. IMPROVEMENT, now that might be a little useful.

Cheers mate

Fixed

Sorry Ladame, but if you're going to critique grammar, you've got to do it right. ;)
Nope, my monster of a father does not deserve to have his name spelled correctly.

ALRIGHT I KNOW MY GRAMMAR IS TERRIBLE I WILL NOT DENY IT

It's just as well: it's already denied you.

Only to the mumbling! :mad:
Not sure what I did to deserve this but :fluffle:
Whee!
I just like fluffles. Is there something wrong with that? :fluffle:

I really don't see how it would be the same argument, but feel free to show me.

It probably doesn't that is why I placed that topic into the small conversation in my post. As I said they aren't being oppressed but they may feel as if they are

Let me try to clarify this for you, as so many others have already done:

Christians in the USA are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be told to shut the fuck up and quit sharing their opinions. Christians are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be told that they don't have a right to their opinions. Christians are FAR LESS LIKELY THAN ANY OTHER GROUP to be legally barred from holding their opinions, from living according to their beliefs, and from making personal choices in accordance with their personal beliefs.

This is why Christians get laughed at when they bitch about how "oppressed" they feel.

I agree with you that is why I said they were using the word out of context.

Yeah, and lots of men "feel" oppressed by women's legal equality. Many racists feel oppressed because black people get to use the same water fountains as white people. These people are wrong. They're also being jackasses and need to get over themselves.

But as I said they are using the word out of context and when they try to say something they are told to shut up, they may 'feel' oppressed because they see other groups not being told this. And I never said that they were right.

Who's stopping them from "expressing themselves"? Yes, they face the possibility that other people will say "shut the fuck up." So? Since when does that stop anybody from speaking up?

I'm female, non-hetero, and non-religious. The government of my country tells me to shut the fuck up all the damn time. The entire mainstream media tells me to shut the fuck up. The controlling religious majority tells me to shut the fuck up.

I don't.

If Christians, or white people, or men, or any other controlling demographic really want to claim that they're "oppressed" when other people disagree with them, then their crying is gonna fall on deaf ears with me.

Good for you but once again as i said they are beating themselves up to try and get pity regardless of whether they are oppressed or not

The USA was FOUNDED by Christians who came here and FUCKING MURDERED the non-Christians who were here first.

Just a simple question did they kill them because they won't Christians or just because they were in the way or some other reason. Regardless it does not matter the reason why it was still wrong, I am just wondering.

EVERY SINGLE STATE in the Union had a Christian majority when it was founded.

There has never been a single day in the history of this country when Christians were actually being oppressed, unless you count all the times that various Christians oppressed OTHER Christians.

I blame the whiny-ass crybaby Christians who give all the non-pathetic Christians a bad name.

Point well taken, yes it is usually the case the a minority gives the majority a bad name. But when I said I blame the media is because the media at least here in Oz like to beat things up to unmeasurable proportions and will use words that just have a slight connection, As people who read papers or watch news bulletins like to imitate these strong words becuase they know it will get the media's attention who in turn will show it and people will use these words again in this cycle.

Well, now you know that the abortion controversy is 'alive and well' in the U.S. and on NSG in general.

Indeed I do and unless I have something meaningful to say on the issue unlike some of the drivel I did write I won't post it.

You guys dont undetstand.


The Constitution established the US as a Christian nation. Thats why there is no referene to God in the Constitution.

Freedom of Religion means freedom to choose your Christian denomination. Thats what the founding fathers meant.

Freedom of Speech means the right to enforce your speech on others if your Christian, and others dont have the right to tell Christians to shut up.

Seperation of Church and State means we can still force Christianity down the throats of the people. Thats why it doesnt say Seperation of Churh FROM State.

Not allowing Christians to pray over the loud speakers is oppression. In order for it to not be oppression, Christians should be allowed, nay should be forced, to lead daily prayers evey day and take up class time. But children can only pray to Jesus. Not Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, Zues, Jupiter, Tom Cruise, Dana-Anna, Joseph Smith, or any other false god.










I know Im not as good as JHA at this, but cut me some slack, eh?

well why would a woman go the a sperm bank to get pregnant just to have an abortion?

Defects anyone? But it's just the point. Defects and medical issues. Most of the time, people don't know what will happen and happen to be perfectly healthy at the time of conception.

(That's what I get for posting before I have my coffee)

Point aside, it is still the woman's choice and until the man has the 9-month burden, including all the medical issues that pop up, they have no say until it pops out.

Men are not oppressed just because they cannot control a woman, just as Christians are not oppressed just because they can't make other people follow their asinine religion.

Christians are no more oppressed then men are. In America that is.

Hell, even in Muslim countries, Christians still have more chance of living than Atheists or others do. Once again, see my example of Egypt, where non-Mulims who are Christian or Jew have basic human rights, whereas Atheists are denied everything, and are considered non-human, and are thus not even granted the same limited, basic rights that the other two groups have.

Heathens; pagans and everyone who isn't part of the main stream religions get worse treatment than Christians who are crying about oppression could ever dream of.

Christians think they are oppressed because abortion, homosexuality, and women's rights are legal. Wow, if that's oppressed, I'd sign up!

Don't understand what? Your little delusional world?



Oh but if it was, surely God would have been included, but it seems to me he wasn't. Perhaps it is because there is no grounds for this claim. While there are Christians amongst the founding fathers, most are either Deists, agnostic, atheists, humanists... you know, the other beliefs that exist outside of your little sheltered world.



So, a Deist would want someone to pick a denomination? Or what of the others? Surely they had the same thing in mind... oh wait, they wouldn't have, unless they were Christian, and even then, they wanted to be able to practice freely.



Wow... you're really out of touch aren't you.



If it's separate, it means that they are independent of each other, hence the government has no role in it, unless you're saying America is a theocracy and not a republic.



Christians can't broadcast their bullshit and now they're oppressed... geez, life's tough. :p

Oh and... I hate to bust your bubble but Yahweh is the Jewish God, which is the predecessor to God (and Jesus, part of the holy trinity). Allah is also the same God. In fact, the only real difference is the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God

If you are familiar with Latin, you'd know that God is Deus (also the Portuguese equivalent), or is that no longer a valid name for your God because it's not in English?

Perhaps the French should now repent since they call God "Dieu"? Or the Spanish "Dios" and the Italian "Dio", or the German "Gott"... I'm sure you get the point, though you're probably going to ignore this.

Also, Joseph Smith is a prophet, something different from a God. Thus, why pray to him? You don't pray to prophets...

In Islam, Jesus is seen as a prophet rather than the son of God. Thus remaining constant with Christianity in which Jesus isn't actually God (though a key part of the trinity).

Shiva is also a valid option if you're looking at the monotheistic elements of Hinduism. It's still another name for that deity you're calling God.




Its distressing that you couldnt even get a little bit of my sarcasm. Rather, you just failed, horribly.

You guys dont undetstand.

Don't understand what? Your little delusional world?

The Constitution established the US as a Christian nation. Thats why there is no referene to God in the Constitution.

Oh but if it was, surely God would have been included, but it seems to me he wasn't. Perhaps it is because there is no grounds for this claim. While there are Christians amongst the founding fathers, most are either Deists, agnostic, atheists, humanists... you know, the other beliefs that exist outside of your little sheltered world.

Freedom of Religion means freedom to choose your Christian denomination. Thats what the founding fathers meant.

So, a Deist would want someone to pick a denomination? Or what of the others? Surely they had the same thing in mind... oh wait, they wouldn't have, unless they were Christian, and even then, they wanted to be able to practice freely.

Freedom of Speech means the right to enforce your speech on others if your Christian, and others dont have the right to tell Christians to shut up.

Wow... you're really out of touch aren't you.

Seperation of Church and State means we can still force Christianity down the throats of the people. Thats why it doesnt say Seperation of Churh FROM State.

If it's separate, it means that they are independent of each other, hence the government has no role in it, unless you're saying America is a theocracy and not a republic.

Not allowing Christians to pray over the loud speakers is oppression. In order for it to not be oppression, Christians should be allowed, nay should be forced, to lead daily prayers evey day and take up class time. But children can only pray to Jesus. Not Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, Zues, Jupiter, Tom Cruise, Dana-Anna, Joseph Smith, or any other false god.

Christians can't broadcast their bullshit and now they're oppressed... geez, life's tough. :p

Oh and... I hate to bust your bubble but Yahweh is the Jewish God, which is the predecessor to God (and Jesus, part of the holy trinity). Allah is also the same God. In fact, the only real difference is the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God

If you are familiar with Latin, you'd know that God is Deus (also the Portuguese equivalent), or is that no longer a valid name for your God because it's not in English?

Perhaps the French should now repent since they call God "Dieu"? Or the Spanish "Dios" and the Italian "Dio", or the German "Gott"... I'm sure you get the point, though you're probably going to ignore this.

Also, Joseph Smith is a prophet, something different from a God. Thus, why pray to him? You don't pray to prophets...

In Islam, Jesus is seen as a prophet rather than the son of God. Thus remaining constant with Christianity in which Jesus isn't actually God (though a key part of the trinity).

Shiva is also a valid option if you're looking at the monotheistic elements of Hinduism. It's still another name for that deity you're calling God.

Not allowing Christians to pray over the loud speakers is oppression. In order for it to not be oppression, Christians should be allowed, nay should be forced, to lead daily prayers evey day and take up class time. But children can only pray to Jesus. Not Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, Zues, Jupiter, Tom Cruise, Dana-Anna, Joseph Smith, or any other false god.


Point of correction: Joseph Smith wasn't a god... so we don't pray to him.

(The Immortals Rules weren't out yet when he was Prophet. ;) )

If you're being sarcastic, try and at least be accurate in your sarcasm. Spell checking goes a long way.


If my sarcasm revolves around hyperbole and mocking the ignorance of the opposition, then why be accurate? Everyone else got my sarcasm. You didn't. Id say the fault does not lie with me.

Also, its the fucking internet. My post was very readable and there were no egregious spelling errors, so dont bitch or you just look like an arrogant twat.

If you're being sarcastic, try and at least be accurate in your sarcasm. Spell checking goes a long way.

Poe's Law, Kyro.

If my sarcasm revolves around hyperbole and mocking the ignorance of the opposition, then why be accurate? Everyone else got my sarcasm. You didn't. Id say the fault does not lie with me.

Also, its the fucking internet. My post was very readable and there were no egregious spelling errors, so don't bitch or you just look like an arrogant twat.

Fixed ;)

Its distressing that you couldnt even get a little bit of my sarcasm. Rather, you just failed, horribly.

If you're being sarcastic, try and at least be accurate in your sarcasm. Spell checking goes a long way.

Fixed ;)

type os dont count you fool.;)

type os dont count you fool.;)

Srue thye od...

Srue thye od...

n o teyh dotnr!!!111!!!1111!11!....one

n o teyh dotnr!!!111!!!1111!11!....one

Кровавый ад! Если я говорю, что они рассчитывают тогда, они делают!

¡Infierno sangriento! ¡Si digo que ellos cuentan entonces ellos hacen!
Blutige Hölle! Wenn ich sage, dass sie dann zählen sie tun!
Inferno sangrento! Se eu disser que eles contam então eles fazem!

Srue thye od...

This causes me physical pain. I hate you.

Also, Joseph Smith is a prophet, something different from a God. Thus, why pray to him? You don't pray to prophets...


Precisely. Like I said, you need the Immortals Rules for that... :)

Кровавый ад! Если я говорю, что они рассчитывают тогда, они делают!

¡Infierno sangriento! ¡Si digo que ellos cuentan entonces ellos hacen!
Blutige Hölle! Wenn ich sage, dass sie dann zählen sie tun!
Inferno sangrento! Se eu disser que eles contam então eles fazem!

Die Eintragung in anderen Sprachen bildet mich traurig. Bitte tun Sie nicht das, weil dann ich welcher oben schauen muß, youre Saying und Im faul. OH- und erklären Ihrer Schwester, die sie etwas Praxis verwenden kann. ;)


See, I can post in other languages too!

Кровавый ад! Если я говорю, что они рассчитывают тогда, они делают!

¡Infierno sangriento! ¡Si digo que ellos cuentan entonces ellos hacen!
Blutige Hölle! Wenn ich sage, dass sie dann zählen sie tun!
Inferno sangrento! Se eu disser que eles contam então eles fazem!

Боже мой...

Precisely. Like I said, you need the Immortals Rules for that... :)

I know that, but I had to find some way to include Mormons...

I know that, but I had to find some way to include Mormons...

Of course... you wouldn't want us to feel left out. I totally get that :D

Боже мой...

I really should be able to follow the Russian convo, but I've forgotten all my Russian.

Except for блaд. Which you are.

You're welcome. :D

Someday I will find you. And when I do, I will kill you with my Shakespeare bible.

RhynoDD;13506313']I really should be able to follow the Russian convo, but I've forgotten all my Russian.

Except for блaд. Which you are.

The only Russian I know it's my mother's name: Ol'ga, which I know means saint or saintly. Oh, and Harasho, which is like a curse or something.

Да, мой сын?

LAWL

RhynoDD;13506283']This causes me physical pain. I hate you.

You're welcome. :D

Боже мой...

Да, мой сын?

The only Russian I know it's my mother's name: Ol'ga, which I know means saint or saintly. Oh, and Harasho, which is like a curse or something.

Perhaps you are thinking of хорошо (kharasho), which means "good"?

Die Eintragung in anderen Sprachen bildet mich traurig. Bitte tun Sie nicht das, weil dann ich welcher oben schauen muß, youre Saying und Im faul. OH- und erklären Ihrer Schwester, die sie etwas Praxis verwenden kann. ;)


See, I can post in other languages too!

LOL

RhynoDD;13506313']I really should be able to follow the Russian convo, but I've forgotten all my Russian.

Except for блaд. Which you are.

O_o?

RhynoDD;13506341']Perhaps you are thinking of хорошо (kharasho), which means "good"?

Vamos, must be that. See, I don't know Russian.:D

O_o?

Oh, and синий, which you may also be.

Ok, see, I speak German. I dont speak Russian. This is no fun, because now I have to use a translator...

RhynoDD;13506313']I really should be able to follow the Russian convo, but I've forgotten all my Russian.

Except for блaд. Which you are.

O_o?

I'm confused as well.

LAWL

Couldn't resist...

Ok, see, I speak German. I dont speak Russian. This is no fun, because now I have to use a translator...

Meh, don't even bother. Apparently RhynoDD's posts are gibberish. Not even the Russian speakers know what he/she's posting.:D

Meh, don't even bother. Apparently RhynoDD's posts are gibberish. Not even the Russian speakers know what he/she's posting.:D

Odd. I totally learned those from my Russian professor. I might be spelling them wrong.

Meh, don't even bother. Apparently RhynoDD's posts are gibberish. Not even the Russian speakers know what he/she's posting.:D

I wouldn't call myself a Russian speaker, I know some but I'm nowhere near fluent, its quite possible that блaд is a slang term.



Edit: or misspelled, or just a word that I don't know.

I wouldn't call myself a Russian speaker, I know some but I'm nowhere near fluent, its quite possible that блaд is a slang term.

Yes. A very popular Russian insult.

Yes, see Russian is the one language that I have any knowledge of that I do not know any swear words in, primarily because I am almost completely self-taught.

I can help with that...

Funny story: A friend of mine in high school wanted to learn how to say 'cluster-fuck' in russian so he went to the teacher and asked how to say 'cluster' (he already knew the word for 'fuck.') The teacher, not being a native speaker told him the word 'група,' which translated actually means 'group'...

My friend couldn't understand why we couldn't quit laughing the first time he tried it out...

RhynoDD;13506378']Yes. A very popular Russian insult.

Yes, see Russian is the one language that I have any knowledge of that I do not know any swear words in, primarily because I am almost completely self-taught.

Yes, see Russian is the one language that I have any knowledge of that I do not know any swear words in, primarily because I am almost completely self-taught.

My professor actually taught us swear words. And how to properly drink vodka.

RhynoDD;13506394']My professor actually taught us swear words. And how to properly drink vodka.

Gosh, we were taught how to scare people into thinking we were the secret police, and how to tell people they were about to die.

RhynoDD;13506378']Yes. A very popular Russian insult.

So... 2 questions:

1)What does it mean, exactly, and
2)Why did you call me one???

So... 2 questions:

1)What does it mean, exactly, and
2)Why did you call me one???

1) Whore
2) Seemed like a good idea at the time.

RhynoDD;13506445']1) Whore
2) Seemed like a good idea at the time.

If you want to call me 'whore' you'd better pay a lot better...

If you want to call me 'whore' you'd better pay a lot better...

Halp!

Stop oppressing me with your outrageous fees.

Poe's Law, Kryo.

Never heard of it... *goes and looks it up*... and like I said... it would have been have decent if it had the proper elements to denote sarcasm, which it sorely lacked.

Fixed.

BTW, if you call me Kyro, some might think you're referring to Kyronea.

Precisely. Like I said, you need the Immortals Rules for that... :)

I saw. :) Good to know at least something I know squat about came out sounding right.

I can help with that...

Funny story: A friend of mine in high school wanted to learn how to say 'cluster-fuck' in russian so he went to the teacher and asked how to say 'cluster' (he already knew the word for 'fuck.') The teacher, not being a native speaker told him the word 'група,' which translated actually means 'group'...

My friend couldn't understand why we couldn't quit laughing the first time he tried it out...
A WWII vet told me he captured a German prisoner, but instead of saying "Haende hoch, oder ich schiesse!" he came out with "Haende hoch, oder ich scheisse!" ("Hands up or I'll shit!") and the German almost had apoplexy trying to stifle his laughs.

The True God defends his Christian friends with righteousness, and a just haircut.
Bow before your God, and all your sins will be forgotten, i mean forgiven.
God's people are not oppressed, God's people are invisible, in your internets.

RhynoDD;13506509']I'll just go with синий then.

'dark?'

If you want to call me 'whore' you'd better pay a lot better...

I'll just go with синий then.

......We live in the Baptist Bible Belt, (South East of the United States) and there are more church per town than there is schools. Trust me, the Christians around these parts are not being oppressed. I actually heard one of my classmates talked about how she can't show her cross anymore. I slapped my forehead and turned around. I asked her to look around and see how many people were wearing crosses, we counted 20 out of 30. Then I asked her to point out symbols of other faith. We really only found two. After that she decided to shut up and I went back to my work......
:fluffle:
Reminds me of discussions I use to have with friends in High School. I guess you could say I come one of the larger bible belt cities. Even there and then, I had friends that were Wiccan, Buddist, Hindu, Muslim, Agnostic, Atheist, Jewish, You name it (we had atleast one in the school), and Christians of different varieties. At that time things were not so tense and people were more openminded. Discussions and opinions were more freely tossed around. Feelings were not hurt as much since people were merely expressing their ideas and questions on such topics. Yeah I know it sounds wierd; being from the South and all. Towards graduation, however, things took a downward turn to xenophobia, and to Christian dellusionment of oppression. It would be easy to pinn this on Pres. Bush, but in truth this sway happed before his election. The later September Eleventh attacks seemingly cemented the new found Christian paranoia of us agaist them. Since then a rise in racism, sexism, homophobia, and general xenophobia has been wittnessed... The aura of understanding and curiosity seems to be in retreat; taking refuge among the Indie, and Punk groups.
:fluffle:

I will leave you with this question: why is it, no matter what state, most schools seem to be within a three block proximaty to a chruch?

If you want to call me 'whore' you'd better pay a lot better...

блaд

*gives Neo B a bunch of Euros*
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better?

I will leave you with this question: why is it, no matter what state, most schools seem to be within a three block proximaty to a chruch?

Because back when most of them were built, major institutions tended to be grouped within walking distance of the local residential areas. Plus, there are just a lot of churches to begin with, which makes it pretty hard not to be near one.

For reference, there's three within a hundred yards of my dorm.

LAWL

Наш Отец на небесах,
освященный, быть вашим названием.
Ваше Королевство прибывает,
ваш будет сделан,
на земле как на небесах
Дайте нам сегодня наш ежедневный хлеб.
Простите нам наши грехи,
поскольку мы прощаем тем, кто грешит против нас.
Ведите нас не в искушение,
но освободите нас от зла.
Для королевства, власть и слава ваши.
Теперь и навсегда. Аминь

Наш Отец на небесах,
освященный, быть вашим названием.
Ваше Королевство прибывает,
ваш будет сделан,
на земле как на небесах
Дайте нам сегодня наш ежедневный хлеб.
Простите нам наши грехи,
поскольку мы прощаем тем, кто грешит против нас.
Ведите нас не в искушение,
но освободите нас от зла.
Для королевства, власть и слава ваши.
Теперь и навсегда. Аминь
Babelfish retranslation:

Are you farther out than inevitable, hollow is thy game, thy thing can come, thy thrill be sung, uncertain, as it is uneven. Give us this day hors d'oeuvres in bed, and forgive us our trash-passing as we forgive those who have passed trash against us, and need we not enter inflation, but eat liver and onions primeval, for wine is a shingle, on a tower, in a story of our fathers' father, Oh Man!

Babelfish retranslation:

Are you farther out than inevitable, hollow is thy game, thy thing can come, thy thrill be sung, uncertain, as it is uneven. Give us this day hors d'oeuvres in bed, and forgive us our trash-passing as we forgive those who have passed trash against us, and need we not enter inflation, but eat liver and onions primeval, for wine is a shingle, on a tower, in a story of our fathers' father, Oh Man!

Babelfish is a lousy translator...
That would be the Lord's Prayer in Russian.

RhynoDD;13506374']Odd. I totally learned those from my Russian professor. I might be spelling them wrong.

Perhaps your Russian professor´s a crack-head...:p

Perhaps your Russian professor´s a crack-head...:p

Nah, my high school french teachers taught me a number of swear words/insulting phrases.

Nah, my high school french teachers taught me a number of swear words/insulting phrases.

D´accord. J´ai deux:
Vous etes un espece de con. (and I know the grammar´s horrid)
Vate faire foutre!

блaд

*gives Neo B a bunch of Euros*
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better?

Much, thank you.

...and coming back on topic, it seems that there are people still being oppressed for their beliefs in America. Too bad it isn't the Christians who are the ones claiming oppression.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_us/military_religion_lawsuit

From the above article...

According to the lawsuit, Hall was counseled by his platoon sergeant after being informed that his promotion was blocked. He says the sergeant explained that Hall would be "unable to put aside his personal convictions and pray with his troops" and would have trouble bonding with them if promoted to a leadership position.

Hall responded that religion is not a requirement of leadership, even though the sergeant wondered how he had rights if atheism wasn't a religion. Hall said atheism is protected under the Army's chaplain's manual.

Babelfish retranslation:

Are you farther out than inevitable, hollow is thy game, thy thing can come, thy thrill be sung, uncertain, as it is uneven. Give us this day hors d'oeuvres in bed, and forgive us our trash-passing as we forgive those who have passed trash against us, and need we not enter inflation, but eat liver and onions primeval, for wine is a shingle, on a tower, in a story of our fathers' father, Oh Man!

good gawd...

Наш Отец на небесах,
освященный, быть вашим названием.
Ваше Королевство прибывает,
ваш будет сделан,
на земле как на небесах
Дайте нам сегодня наш ежедневный хлеб.
Простите нам наши грехи,
поскольку мы прощаем тем, кто грешит против нас.
Ведите нас не в искушение,
но освободите нас от зла.
Для королевства, власть и слава ваши.
Теперь и навсегда. Аминь

A year of college-level Russian allowed me to realize it was the Our Father. Never let it be said that that was a year poorly spent!

D´accord. J´ai deux:
Vous etes un espece de con. (and I know the grammar´s horrid)
Vate faire foutre!

Gutter-French:

T'encule!
Crisse-toi!

Ich bin ein Berliner.

This has got to be the severest threadjack I've ever seen. I'm lovin' it.

Babelfish is a lousy translator...
That would be the Lord's Prayer in Russian.

You realize that he just bullshitted you, right? I mean, that is a hilarious translation and all, but I ran it through babelfish myself just to see what it would say and I got something more like this:

Our father before the skies, blessed, to be your name. Your kingdom arrives, your will be made, on the earth as before the skies give today our daily bread to us. You prostite to us our sins, since we pardon that, who sins against us. Conduct us not into the temptation, but you will free us from the evil. For the kingdom, authority and glory your. Now and forever. Amin'

It reads awkwardly, but there you go.

Ich bin ein Berliner.

"I am a jelly donut"

"I am a jelly donut"

*enter Random Trivia Man*
No, "ich bin ein Berliner" does not mean "I am a jelly donut!" It means "I am a person from Berlin!" There is a type of jelly donut called a Berliner but any German speaker with an ounce of sense could tell the difference between the two meanings in context! I use too many exclamation points!
*Random Trivia Man AWAY!*

yeah. You found Wiccans and Pagans in the Bible belt? How?

They were the ones playing in the cornfields.

*enter Random Trivia Man*
No, "ich bin ein Berliner" does not mean "I am a jelly donut!" It means "I am a person from Berlin!" There is a type of jelly donut called a Berliner but any German speaker with an ounce of sense could tell the difference between the two meanings in context! I use too many exclamation points!
*Random Trivia Man AWAY!*No. It means both, but usually that would depend on your location. In Brandenburg or Bavaria, for instance, it would not mean "I am a jelly donut" because both regions have a different name for that kind of pastry. But both interpretations are possible, though no one would have seriously thought he referred to himself as a jelly donut, just like no one would have thought that Kennedy was a sugar-coated pastry if he had admitted he was an American.

You realize that he just bullshitted you, right? I mean...

No, because I have used Babelfish in the past and I've seen it turn out worse.

This has got to be the severest threadjack I've ever seen. I'm lovin' it.

Да, что было оригинальной темой?

"I am a jelly donut"Thank God Kennedy didn't make that speech in Hamburg or Frankfurt!

Да, что было оригинальной темой?

I think it was something about how Russians are oppressed because you can't openly drink vodka in the classroom or senate.

I think it was something about how Russians are oppressed because you can't openly drink vodka in the classroom or senate.

The poor bastards. :(

Gutter-French:

T'encule!
Crisse-toi!

IT'S THE LAWL!:D

So, let's see... 3 Christian ones (catholic, orthodox and protestant), one Muslim, one Jewish (in Hebrew, of course), 3 Hindu ones (there's hundreds, I know, but for balance just three), one Buddhist (would that be in sanscrit?), one Mother Nature (wiccan and other New Age religions can argue about that), one Spaghetti Monster (it IS a religion) and one vaguely appeasing greeting to non-believers.

That makes 12. Let's give 2 minutes each to be fair. That's 24 minutes out of 45 minutes of class.

Earplugs. They don't cost a lot.

And the Catholics will need two: one in Latin for the traditionalists and one in English for the rest. Jehovahs' Witnesses and Mormons will probably need their own prayers.

So that makes 15 prayers, two-thirds of lesson time. :p

Oh and being catholic here is something I use from the Bible not that you care as everything in the Bible is false and a crock of shit (yes I am assuming feel free to correct me) i will paraphase for you and it is from genesis "Men and women are created equally" (the symbolism used in this to enforce this ideal is that women were created from the rib of Adam not from the head as that would place her aboce him and not from the foot as that would place him aove her but from the rib as they are both equal) now that statement that women and men are equal is something that I hold to

The more natural reading of Genesis 2 (the other Creation story in Genesis 1 doesn't include the rib) is that woman was created subordinate to man: she's created after him; from a part of him; and wasn't created for her own sake as Adam was, but because Adam needed a companion. This reading is reaffirmed by the Hebrew myth regarding Lilith, the first wife of Adam, who left the Garden precisely because she wouldn't tolerate Adam's supremacy (specifically, she wanted to go on top for a change ;)).

This is a natural prelude to the casual misogyny which characterises most of the Bible (with a few exceptions such as Ruth and parts of the Gospels).

Oh, it's not relevant but you might be interested to know that:
1. the Hebrew text is arguably a reference to the union of Flesh and Spirit which were seen comprise a human being rather than to actual people.
2. Some scholars suggest that 'rib' is being used as a euphemism for 'penis bone', and that it was a primitive attempt to explain why human males lack something which is present in most other male animals.

*enter Random Trivia Man*
No, "ich bin ein Berliner" does not mean "I am a jelly donut!" It means "I am a person from Berlin!" There is a type of jelly donut called a Berliner but any German speaker with an ounce of sense could tell the difference between the two meanings in context! I use too many exclamation points!
*Random Trivia Man AWAY!*

Aren't Berliners chocolate doughnuts anyway? :confused:

Aren't Berliners chocolate doughnuts anyway? :confused:

Nope

A Berliner Pfannkuchen (also called Berliner Ballen, Berliner, or Bismark) is a predominantly German and Central European doughnut made from sweet yeast dough fried in fat or oil, with a marmalade or jam filling and usually icing, powdered sugar or conventional sugar on top. They are also sometimes available with a chocolate, champagne, custard, mocha, or advocaat filling, or with no filling at all. The filling is injected using a large syringe after cooking.

Nope

Damn you Waitrose (http://www.waitrose.com/)!!! You've been lying to me for all these years!!! :(

On a happy note, the House of Lords have voted to abolish the UK Blasphemy Law. :)

Thank God Kennedy didn't make that speech in Hamburg or Frankfurt!Or in America (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikaner_%28Geb%C3%A4ck%29)! :eek:
Damn you Waitrose (http://www.waitrose.com/)!!! You've been lying to me for all these years!!! :(
Apparently.

Да, что было оригинальной темой?

Не знаю...

And the Catholics will need two: one in Latin for the traditionalists and one in English for the rest. Jehovahs' Witnesses and Mormons will probably need their own prayers.

So that makes 15 prayers, two-thirds of lesson time. :p

I can't speak for the JW's but the Mormons would be fine with the regular Christian ones...

...but on the other hand... Mormons really know how to burn up the clock with the prayers...:D

Не знаю...

I understood this.

And the Catholics will need two: one in Latin for the traditionalists and one in English for the rest. Jehovahs' Witnesses and Mormons will probably need their own prayers.

So that makes 15 prayers, two-thirds of lesson time. :p
Or you could take all the prayers, recorded, and broadcast them over the PA simultaneously, over each other, slightly speeded up. Thus all religions would be represented; it should only take a couple of minutes; everyone who wants to hear their prayer will have heard it, even if they don't know it; and no one who doesn't want to hear a prayer will have heard anything but two minutes of noise -- which is kind of appropriate, when you think about it, isn't it?

"Attention, students. It is time for your Religion Moment.

SCRREEEEEGHGHAGBAPBOLGHOAGCCCHHHH!

This has been the Religion Moment. The hot lunch for today is fish sticks and green beans."

Or you could take all the prayers, recorded, and broadcast them over the PA simultaneously, over each other, slightly speeded up. Thus all religions would be represented; it should only take a couple of minutes; everyone who wants to hear their prayer will have heard it, even if they don't know it; and no one who doesn't want to hear a prayer will have heard anything but two minutes of noise -- which is kind of appropriate, when you think about it, isn't it?

"Attention, students. It is time for your Religion Moment.

SCRREEEEEGHGHAGBAPBOLGHOAGCCCHHHH!

This has been the Religion Moment. The hot lunch for today is fish sticks and green beans."That so rocks. *bows*
I know i'd end up writing some kind of instrumental accompaniment to it. :p

Or you could take all the prayers, recorded, and broadcast them over the PA simultaneously, over each other, slightly speeded up. Thus all religions would be represented; it should only take a couple of minutes; everyone who wants to hear their prayer will have heard it, even if they don't know it; and no one who doesn't want to hear a prayer will have heard anything but two minutes of noise -- which is kind of appropriate, when you think about it, isn't it?

"Attention, students. It is time for your Religion Moment.

SCRREEEEEGHGHAGBAPBOLGHOAGCCCHHHH!

This has been the Religion Moment. The hot lunch for today is fish sticks and green beans."Pure genius! :eek:

Pure genius! :eek:She gots alotsa that, oh yes indeedy.

I've got an easier solution... everybody's got the right to pray in silence. Problem solved!

I've got an easier solution... everybody's got the right to pray in silence. Problem solved!
Is it still freedom of speech when it isn't spoken?
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3146
Hmm, guess so.

That so rocks. *bows*
I know i'd end up writing some kind of instrumental accompaniment to it. :p

Pure genius! :eek:
Thank you, thank you. *bows in several directions* *tries to act humble* ;)

I've got an easier solution... everybody's got the right to pray in silence. Problem solved!
Silence is golden. :)

This goes for all religions who have trouble with the secular world - shut up, you're not being oppressed.

Silence is golden. :)

Gold is overrated. I prefer silver.

So the final word on this is, Christians, you're not being oppressed so shut up and sit down.

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Surmized, me likey.:D

I'm a Wiccan in the S.E. U.S. ...
And I worked at Dairy Queen..
That was one of the scariest times of my life. 0.0
They had [I'm not exaggerating.] a at least 30 minute conversation on how many bibles they owned and where they were in their houses.

I'm a Wiccan in the S.E. U.S. ...
And I worked at Dairy Queen..
That was one of the scariest times of my life. 0.0
They had [I'm not exaggerating.] a at least 30 minute conversation on how many bibles they owned and where they were in their houses.

Wiccans aren't being oppressed, either.

"Don't you oppress me!"

"I'm not oppressin' you Reg - you haven't got a womb!"

"Where's it going to gestate you going to keep it in a box?"

Wiccans aren't being oppressed, either.

By whom?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr6.htm

This goes for all religions who have trouble with the secular world - shut up, you're not being oppressed.
Their gods will just go to war again, using them as pawns, just like the good ol' days before Jehovah came into prominence with another pathetic, Bush-esque "benevolent dictatorship" :p

So, the other night I was hanging out with my friends, some of them are Neo-Pagans and Wiccans. Of course the conversation turns to religion as it always does. Then that leads to us talking about the state of Religion in the United States.

My Pagan and Wiccans friends are tired of the Christians going around claiming that the "liberals" (I'm starting to hate that term and I'm a Libertarian) are oppressing them because they took the 10 commandments out of a court house or a Muslim politician wants to swear on the Koran instead of the Bible.

They are annoyed by this because they wear Pentacles or sign of their faith around their neck, however when they go to work, they have to either put it under their shirts or take it off. The reason being is that they get a bunch of idiots asking idiotic questions or making idiotic statements.

We live in the Baptist Bible Belt, (South East of the United States) and there are more church per town than there is schools. Trust me, the Christians around these parts are not being oppressed. I actually heard one of my classmates talked about how she can't show her cross anymore. I slapped my forehead and turned around. I asked her to look around and see how many people were wearing crosses, we counted 20 out of 30. Then I asked her to point out symbols of other faith. We really only found two. After that she decided to shut up and I went back to my work.

Jack Chick (*pause for groans*) in his cartoons, he shows Christians being told by their boss, wives (It's never the Husband), or whoever to keep the "preaching" down or suffer the consequences. I'd actually have to say that the opposite is true, that the Christians are the one telling the other faith to keep their "preaching" down, because as we know, anything that isn't from the Bible must be the work of the Devil!

So the final word on this is, Christians, you're not being oppressed so shut up and sit down.

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I completely agree. Christians claiming oppression in this country are just completely laughable (you have to laugh at such stupidity, because otherwise you would cry). I mean, jesus christ, how much shit does one go through for wearing a cross most places. None, absofuckinglutely none. However, if you wear a pentacle or a star and crescent, you're likely in many areas to at least draw raised eyebrows.