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I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

Canada has a queen and is a part of the commonwealth.

The US decided it wanted no part in the British empire and has neither queen nor commonwealth status.

That might actually be enough to keep them apart.

Wait until the zombies overrun the world. Then the US and Canada will join together with the EU to form the North Atlantic Alliance.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/NorthAtlanticAlliance.png

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)
The same can be said for New Zealand and Australia. Why don't you ask the Kiwis if they want to be Austrazealanders.

The US won't merge with Canada because of a bunch of dumb rednecks that will scream bloody murder about loss of sovereignty - not to mention the fact that canada doesn't contest evolution, gays can get married there, and marijuana is essentially legal in some areas.

Canada wouldn't want us.

The US won't merge with Canada because of a bunch of dumb rednecks that will scream bloody murder about loss of sovereignty - not to mention the fact that canada doesn't contest evolution, gays can get married there, and marijuana is essentially legal in some areas.

Canada wouldn't want us.
You're right. We don't. Our dollar's worth more now anyway. :p

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

Polukinthulatestussia: No way! Canada has its own culture and canadian humour is very different from united statan (I despise the demonym American) humour. Our football is different too. How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)? Not only that but our anthems are different and so are our political systems? How would you determine whether we use O Canda or that anthem about the revolutionary war? Would French and English become official throughout the country? Would CBC and ABC merge? What about NBC? Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided? How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada? How many loopholes would be created by the merge of laws? Would the new country still be part of the commonwealth and if yes, would the new country keep the Queen as head of state? Would the senate now actually mean something in Canada? Would the lower house be called the House of Commons or the Congress (or whatever shit the USA has)? Would the new country still be the leading consumer first world of marijuana? Would the country have a trade surplus or deficit? Would GST and PST still apply?

Goofballs: They go where they normally go, just north of Churchill, Manitoba polar bear capital of the world. They are sent the normal way - parachute, one kilometre south of a cabin and half a kilometre west of a polar bear's home. ;)

But if Canada becomes part of the United States, where will all the refugees go when Jeb Bush wins the presidency? :confused:

Polukinthulatestussia: No way! Canada has its own culture and canadian humour is very different from united statan (I despise the demonym American) humour. Our football is different too. How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)? Not only that but our anthems are different and so are our political systems? How would you determine whether we use O Canda or that anthem about the revolutionary war? Would French and English become official throughout the country? Would CBC and ABC merge? What about NBC? Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided? How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada? How many loopholes would be created by the merge of laws? Would the new country still be part of the commonwealth and if yes, would the new country keep the Queen as head of state? Would the senate now actually mean something in Canada? Would the lower house be called the House of Commons or the Congress (or whatever shit the USA has)? Would the new country still be the leading consumer first world of marijuana? Would the country have a trade surplus or deficit? Would GST and PST still apply?

All right, let's just settle a few things here.

1. United Staten is a terrible phrase. It's fine if you don't like American and want to try something else, but at least make it sound respectable.

2. Our anthem is from the War of 1812. Not the Revolutionary War. The War of 1812. From when we were fighting you guys.

3. Congress is the term for both of our houses. The upper house is the Senate and the lower is the House of Representatives.

**How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)?**

I guess we'd have to show you how to play football the right way, and fold the CFL into the NFL, the same way the ABA was folded into the NBA.

**Not only that but our anthems are different and so are our political systems?**

Is this a question or not? I mean, it has a question mark on the end, but it's not really asking anything.

**How would you determine whether we use O Canda or that anthem about the revolutionary war?** The anthem whose name you apparently can't recall is 'The Star-Spangled Banner' and is one of the greatest anthems ever. No contest.

**Would French and English become official throughout the country?**

Now you're just talking crazy.

**Would CBC and ABC merge? What about NBC?**

Finally a suggestion with some merit. We'll take 'Red Green' and more hockey, sure.

**Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided? **
We'd probably keep them like they are, although California might throw a tantrum about not being one of the biggest states anymore.

**How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada?**

Frankly, if that collection of snail-eating whiners wants to strike off on their own, more power to 'em. But like my father told me when I was young and dumb, if you leave like that, don't think you're coming back

**How many loopholes would be created by the merge of laws?**
None. Since we'd be absorbing Canada, our laws would overrule any existing ones in Canada.

**Would the new country still be part of the commonwealth and if yes, would the new country keep the Queen as head of state?**

Again with the crazy talk.

**Would the lower house be called the House of Commons or the Congress (or whatever shit the USA has)?**

See the answer to the question above about loopholes

**Would the new country still be the leading consumer first world of marijuana?**

No. Doobies make you lazy and stupid.

**Would the country have a trade surplus or deficit?**

Surplus.

**Would GST and PST still apply?**

Since y'all would no longer be tyrannized by socialism, you'd be freed from the stifling burden of having to pay the government to run your lives.

Canada is a better Country, with more British Influence.

The USA is a contender for GOM

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

We may have more in common than say the US and England...but we are by no means homogenous enough to warrant a merging of such magnitude. As for sharing the similar ideals and so forth...suffice it to say that we find such a suggestion utterly repugnant.

Also, I recently read that 1 in 3 USians believes in ESP and only 1 in 10 Canadians do. Explains a lot really. Keep to yourselves thanks.

Geniasis:

1. w/e

2. ok, w/e

3. w/e

Sante Croix:

**I guess we'd have to show you how to play football the right way, and fold the CFL into the NFL, the same way the ABA was folded into the NBA.**

Personally, I play it the american way when I do play it, it was just to show a difference.

**Is this a question or not? I mean, it has a question mark on the end, but it's not really asking anything.**

Not a question, I didn't proofread my post.

**Now you're just talking crazy.**
**Again with the crazy talk.**
**None. Since we'd be absorbing Canada, our laws would overrule any existing ones in Canada.**
**See the answer to the question above about loopholes**

Excuse me but you damn people from the united states are no better than us maple tree hugging hippies.

**The anthem whose name you apparently can't recall is 'The Star-Spangled Banner' and is one of the greatest anthems ever. No contest.**

So I have to re-learn the national anthem? No thank you.

**Finally a suggestion with some merit. We'll take 'Red Green' and more hockey, sure.**

You're forgeting about RMR and 22 minutes.

**We'd probably keep them like they are, although California might throw a tantrum about not being one of the biggest states anymore.**

*Imagines McGuinty as a governor* Damn.

**Frankly, if that collection of snail-eating whiners wants to strike off on their own, more power to 'em. But like my father told me when I was young and dumb, if you leave like that, don't think you're coming back**

That's the thing we don't want.

**No. Doobies make you lazy and stupid.**

It's illegal here too.

**Surplus.**

With all the stuff you guys buy from China, I sure hope so.

**Since y'all would no longer be tyrannized by socialism, you'd be freed from the stifling burden of having to pay the government to run your lives.**

US has just as free healthcare as Canada. GST = Goods & Services Tax and PST = Provincial Sales Tax BTW.

Forget all that, just hurry up and make England the 51st state already

Forget all that, just hurry up and make England the 51st state already

Or make the USA a British Colony. Then we could improve them.

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)USA sucks. And US ideals are not shared by anyone outside the US.

Forget all that, just hurry up and make England the 51st state already

How about NOT, I like my welfare state, NHS, sane gun laws, decent (comparatively) education system, ability to serve in the armed forces irrespective of sexuality and civil partnerships, thank you very much (and that's just what I could think of off the top of my head). :mp5::gundge::mp5:

Not to mention what would happen to poor ol' Wales then :p, although I suspect parts of Scotland would be having a party.

Just imagine the hideous stereotype that would be produced. The Canamerican - very fat but very polite.

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Trying to read your post is giving me a headache. *points to "quote" button at bottom right of posts*

*snip*

lol, sorry I like to respond in the same way I have been responded to.

Just imagine the hideous stereotype that would be produced. The Canamerican - very fat but very polite.

And very peaceful yet the greatest military in the world.

**Excuse me but you damn people from the united states are no better than us maple tree hugging hippies.**

Yes we are, by virtue of being Americans. This is God's country, you know ;)

**So I have to re-learn the national anthem?**

It's easy to learn. Hard to sing in front of thousands of people, but easy to learn.

**US has just as free healthcare as Canada.**

Awkward sentence structure aside(you really should proofread things)this is just factually incorrect. America does not 'enjoy' the dubious benefits of government-run health care like Canda does. Although if Hillary gets elected, she'll do her her damndest to turn this country into Sweden, grim thought that that is. Fortunately, that's looking less and less likely each day.

As far as Quebec goes, it might benefit them to be treated the same way you treat a kid who's a spoiled ungrateful whiner. Toss 'em out on their own, let life knock 'em around for a bit. They'll either learn independance and self-reliance and make something of themselves, or they'll return much chastened.

Why don't you ask the Kiwis if they want to be Austrazealanders.

ROFLMAO!!
What nationality would an American and a Canadian be? Hmmm... something like a Canerican or an Americdian... Any ideas?:D

**Excuse me but you damn people from the united states are no better than us maple tree hugging hippies.**

Yes we are, by virtue of being Americans. This is God's country, you know ;)

**So I have to re-learn the national anthem?**

It's easy to learn. Hard to sing in front of thousands of people, but easy to learn.

**US has just as free healthcare as Canada.**

Awkward sentence structure aside(you really should proofread things)this is just factually incorrect. America does not 'enjoy' the dubious benefits of government-run health care like Canda does. Although if Hillary gets elected, she'll do her her damndest to turn this country into Sweden, grim thought that that is. Fortunately, that's looking less and less likely each day.

As far as Quebec goes, it might benefit them to be treated the same way you treat a kid who's a spoiled ungrateful whiner. Toss 'em out on their own, let life knock 'em around for a bit. They'll either learn independance and self-reliance and make something of themselves, or they'll return much chastened.

**Yes we are, by virtue of being Americans. This is God's country, you know ;)**
**It's easy to learn. Hard to sing in front of thousands of people, but easy to learn.**

That's not the point. The point is that I'm not bowing down to a smaller country who happens to have more people and a better military.

**Awkward sentence structure aside(you really should proofread things)this is just factually incorrect. America does not 'enjoy' the dubious benefits of government-run health care like Canda does. Although if Hillary gets elected, she'll do her her damndest to turn this country into Sweden, grim thought that that is. Fortunately, that's looking less and less likely each day.**

You don't pay for everyone's care although you pay for the care of the elderly, disabled, military service families and veterans, children, and the poor and you ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Also, about 30% of our healthcare is paid for through the private sector - mostly perscription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Also, a Quebec court ruling says that the private sector must be allowed to compete with the public sector opening the door to a two-tier system.

**As far as Quebec goes, it might benefit them to be treated the same way you treat a kid who's a spoiled ungrateful whiner. Toss 'em out on their own, let life knock 'em around for a bit. They'll either learn independance and self-reliance and make something of themselves, or they'll return much chastened.**

The thing isn't about Quebec separating its about Canada falling apart. Let Quebec leave and each province and territory (and if we merge, state) can leave the country at any time which leaves the majourity of North America looking like the Balkans.

I heard someone say Canada is a Loft above one great party! Also, Canada makes an awesome hat for the Americas.

I would be more frightened to see what if Mexico was annexed by the US. Mexico would be like the U.S's oversized cock hangin so low! The Ron Jeremy of the UN. I got to stop, im getting way too carried away on the subject matter.

Never.

Canada has a unique history, culture, set of laws, government system etc from the USA...our relationship with them is fine the way it is now...

Also, a merger with the US would shift Canadian politics far to the right and our Liberal Party would be labeled as communists...

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

I think Australia should also become part of the U.S....

I don't think you're going far enough, get the whole world as one country. and ban all other people who say otherwise!
This is democracy, whether you like it or not.

Wait until the zombies overrun the world. Then the US and Canada will join together with the EU to form the North Atlantic Alliance.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/NorthAtlanticAlliance.png


I like that flag actually.

I like that flag actually.

It's the flag between the merge and now - when the US sets up a puppet government in Canada. Each star represents a province/territory.

There's secretly a plot to combine Canada, the US, and Mexico into one big country. It's called the North American Union and it must be stopped. This is why we must all vote Ron Paul.

There's secretly a plot to combine Canada, the US, and Mexico into one big country. It's called the North American Union and it must be stopped. This is why we must all vote Ron Paul.

You're not taking this seriously anymore are you?
Honestly some people, it should be the whole world that joins together, we throw the people who don't like it into *mumbles*, so you see it's a brilliant plan.

Or make the USA a British Colony. Then we could improve them.

Been there, done that. It didn't work out.

There's secretly a plot to combine Canada, the US, and Mexico into one big country. It's called the North American Union and it must be stopped. This is why we must all vote Ron Paul.

:p

I heard they want to get rid of the dollar, for the Amero!

http://www.designscomputed.com/coins/r_eagle_lib_100amero_pl.jpg


Vote Ron Paul!

:p

Been there, done that. It didn't work out.

yeah i mean, who wants America in the first place?

Or, we can partition the U.S. and Canada into "Jesusland" and the "United States of Canada," as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jesusland_map_with_Alberta.svg

How about NOT, I like my welfare state, NHS, sane gun laws, decent (comparatively) education system, ability to serve in the armed forces irrespective of sexuality and civil partnerships, thank you very much (and that's just what I could think of off the top of my head). :mp5::gundge::mp5:

Not to mention what would happen to poor ol' Wales then :p, although I suspect parts of Scotland would be having a party.

You can keep all that stuff except for the don't ask, don't tell thing.

**That's not the point. The point is that I'm not bowing down to a smaller country who happens to have more people and a better military.**

Historically, that's not an attitude that's met with a lot of success. In fact, a larger, more agressive population and a better military almost ensures that there will be some bowing down done somewhere along the line.

**Let Quebec leave and each province and territory (and if we merge, state) can leave the country at any time which leaves the majourity of North America looking like the Balkans.**

On our end, we settled the whole question of who gets to leave the Union back in 1865.(quick answer: nobody) So if Quebec leaves Canada before we absorb y'all nobody cares what they do. If they decide to stick around, though, they'll find a governmental weltanschaungg that's much less accomodating.

Or, we can partition the U.S. and Canada into "Jesusland" and the "United States of Canada," as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jesusland_map_with_Alberta.svg

I would support that in a heartbeat.

Jesusland seems kind of silly though. What about... Nocommiestan?

It's the flag between the merge and now - when the US sets up a puppet government in Canada. Each star represents a province/territory.
That flag fails. Canada has 13 provinces/territories, not 12.

That flag fails. Canada has 13 provinces/territories, not 12.

Then one of the provinces/territories will have to go.
Allegiance to the flag is mandatory, listening to what we say isn't.

On an unrelated note, someone told me that calling a Canadian a "Canuck" is the same as calling an African-American the "n" word. Is that true? :confused:

**That's not the point. The point is that I'm not bowing down to a smaller country who happens to have more people and a better military.**

Historically, that's not an attitude that's met with a lot of success. In fact, a larger, more agressive population and a better military almost ensures that there will be some bowing down done somewhere along the line.

**Let Quebec leave and each province and territory (and if we merge, state) can leave the country at any time which leaves the majourity of North America looking like the Balkans.**

On our end, we settled the whole question of who gets to leave the Union back in 1865.(quick answer: nobody) So if Quebec leaves Canada before we absorb y'all nobody cares what they do. If they decide to stick around, though, they'll find a governmental weltanschaungg that's much less accomodating.

Well, we'll hide in the territories while your soldiers freeze and exactly why we don't want Quebec leaving.

That flag fails. Canada has 13 provinces/territories, not 12.

I counted thirteen stars. Must've miscounted.

Then one of the provinces/territories will have to go.
Allegiance to the flag is mandatory, listening to what we say isn't.

lol

On an unrelated note, someone told me that calling a Canadian a "Canuck" is the same as calling an African-American the "n" word. Is that true? :confused:

No, or else there wouldn't be a hockey team called the Vancouver Canucks. Canucks is like Yankee I suppose but Yankee in the general sense not the New Englander sense.

One of the biggest differences between the countries is how we view our constituent parts.

US states are not permitted to secede. Canadian provinces, on the other hand, are, and there's a statutory route they can follow to do it.


But the CFL came first. It's not some young upstart.

Do you realise that would necessarily add 18 Democrat Senators to congress? Every province that isn't Alberta would almost certainly vote Democrat.

No, provinces and territories can't secede either. Or else Quebec would be long independant.

w/e

No, it would add 26 total and the maritime provinces would vote Republican too. There would be three parties though, Republican (Conservative), Abstainers (Liberal) and Democrats (NDP) lol.

No, or else there wouldn't be a hockey team called the Vancouver Canucks. Canucks is like Yankee I suppose but Yankee in the general sense not the New Englander sense.

Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying. :)

One of the biggest differences between the countries is how we view our constituent parts.

US states are not permitted to secede. Canadian provinces, on the other hand, are, and there's a statutory route they can follow to do it.

I guess we'd have to show you how to play football the right way, and fold the CFL into the NFL, the same way the ABA was folded into the NBA.
But the CFL came first. It's not some young upstart.
We'd probably keep them like they are, although California might throw a tantrum about not being one of the biggest states anymore.
Do you realise that would necessarily add 18 Democrat Senators to congress? Every province that isn't Alberta would almost certainly vote Democrat.

Do you realise that would necessarily add 18 Democrat Senators to congress? Every province that isn't Alberta would almost certainly vote Democrat.

I don't think so, IMO even Alberta is too liberal for the Republican Party

The same can be said for New Zealand and Australia. Why don't you ask the Kiwis if they want to be Austrazealanders.
no we don't want new zealand to be apart of oz
I think Australia should also become part of the U.S....

like Hell

Europe thought paying with euros was difficult.Do you know how many americans would gag trying to figure out haw many "Loonies" they have??





(the dollar coin in canada has a picture of a loon on it ,so the name "loonie")

Europe thought paying with euros was difficult.Do you know how many americans would gag trying to figure out haw many "Loonies" they have??





(the dollar coin in canada has a picture of a loon on it ,so the name "loonie") Yes there is a picture of a loon on one side and some kind of duck on the other.
http://www.globalclassroom.org/2004/spicer/loonie_toonie2013.jpg

Yes there is a picture of a loon on one side and some kind of duck on the other.
http://www.globalclassroom.org/2004/spicer/loonie_toonie2013.jpg

Oh no you didn't! Don't diss the the queen or I might have to post something like this

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg

Oh no you didn't! Don't diss the the queen or I might have to post something like this

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg

no no, I'm one of your country women.

**Europe thought paying with euros was difficult. Do you know how many americans would gag trying to figure out haw many "Loonies" they have??**

There seems to be an abiding misconception on this thread that Canadian institutions would somehow survive and/or triumph over equivalent American ones, in the event of a unification. This is, of course, completely wrong, as it would not be a merger, so much as it would be America absorbing Canada, which means that 'loonies' would give way to gold coins with pictures of the presidents on them. (personally I'm waiting for the Ronald Reagan coin)

As for the CFL being older than the NFL, monarchy is an older concept than democracy, but how many monarchists do you see around lately?

that's exactly why Canada doesn't want a union with the US, you guys would overwhelm us and utterly destroy Canada

no no, I'm one of your country women.

My apologies...

**Europe thought paying with euros was difficult. Do you know how many americans would gag trying to figure out haw many "Loonies" they have??**

There seems to be an abiding misconception on this thread that Canadian institutions would somehow survive and/or triumph over equivalent American ones, in the event of a unification. This is, of course, completely wrong, as it would not be a merger, so much as it would be America absorbing Canada, which means that 'loonies' would give way to gold coins with pictures of the presidents on them. (personally I'm waiting for the Ronald Reagan coin)

As for the CFL being older than the NFL, monarchy is an older concept than democracy, but how many monarchists do you see around lately?

Oh no you didn't! Don't diss the the queen or I might have to post something like this

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg

That is sick, appalling, and offensive.

Apologize to those chimpanzees. Now. :mad:


:p

It wont happen because then Canadians would have no one to arrogantly claim their inherant superiority over;)

Or, we can partition the U.S. and Canada into "Jesusland" and the "United States of Canada," as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jesusland_map_with_Alberta.svg

Or not.

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

Because neither of the involved parties like the idea.

Sante Croix, that's where you are wrong. There would be compromise or a repeat of 9/11 into the Empire State Building and the CN Tower by Canadians and Animalicans respectively.

No wonder we don't want to become a part of your arrogant country.

Says the one threatening 9/11 esc attacks if you dont get your way.



God and I had always thought Canadians were the sane folk on the upper North American continent. Thank you for dispelling that myth guys.

Says the one threatening 9/11 esc attacks if you dont get your way.



God and I had always thought Canadians were the sane folk on the upper North American continent. Thank you for dispelling that myth guys.
Indeed. Your misconception of our sanity's strange. Why we would be perceived as sane when our national animal is a fucking beaver escapes me. :p

I heard that BeaverTails (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/BeaverTail_pastry_Ottawa.jpg) are pretty tasty. ;)
Good. Those toothy evil rodents deserve to die. Not in a metaphorical sense, of course, because I love my beaver-filled country.


Goddamn toothy rodents. *shakes fist at the evil beaver overlords*

Indeed. Your misconception of our sanity's strange. Why we would be perceived as sane when our national animal is a fucking beaver escapes me. :p

I heard that BeaverTails (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/BeaverTail_pastry_Ottawa.jpg) are pretty tasty. ;)

Beavertails are good. Too bad those americans don't know its a pastry.

You're not taking this seriously anymore are you?
Honestly some people, it should be the whole world that joins together, we throw the people who don't like it into *mumbles*, so you see it's a brilliant plan.

Seriously, though. The North American Union plot is real!

Polukinthulatestussia: No way! Canada has its own culture and canadian humour is very different from united statan humour.


And they spend untold amounts of effort convincing themselves of this.



Our football is different too. How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)?


The CFL absorbs players not good enough for the NFL. Therefore, US football is obviously superior and would have to dominate.


Not only that but our anthems are different

They both start with "O" and are the only national anthems in the world that do. Ergo, mating them together would be simple. O say can you see guarding us glorious and free by the dawn's early light?



Would French and English become official throughout the country?



Spanish too. Remember, they will outnumber the Quebecois substantially.


Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided?


Thanks to Alaska, there is substantial precedent for really huge states where 90% of the residents are actually Moose. We can therefore leave most of the provinces exactly as they are.


How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada?



Brutal Repression. Remember how we handled our last batch of seperatists.

Good. Those toothy evil rodents deserve to die. Not in a metaphorical sense, of course, because I love my beaver-filled country.


Goddamn toothy rodents. *shakes fist at the evil beaver overlords*

Have you ever had BeaverTails? I've always wanted to try one. That, and Tim Hortons (which, ironically, does not have any stores in Minnesota, even though we share a border with you guys :().

Beavertails are good. Too bad those americans don't know its a pastry.


We're familiar with them. You can get them at EPCOT in Disneyworld. In fact, all during last year, when the little Beavertail shop at the corner of the Frontenac was closed, you could get them in Disneyworld but NOT in Quebec city.

America is the Borg of ethnic food, after all.

Beavertails are good. Too bad those americans don't know its a pastry.

I do.

America is the Borg of ethnic food, after all.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3251/owllol1fg.jpg

Says the one threatening 9/11 esc attacks if you dont get your way.



God and I had always thought Canadians were the sane folk on the upper North American continent. Thank you for dispelling that myth guys.


The last blackout dispelled that myth. In New York, we had huge ice cream parties. (because all the stores figured it was going to melt anyway, so might as well dish it out.) In Canada, riots and looting.

Sorry, guys, but the Canadian claim to special wisdom died that night.

I think that eventually this will happen. Not in my lifetime but eventually. Canada and the US already share responsibility for the defense of North America with the Canadian General being subordinate to the US General. For me it would work at well. Then again most americans think that Alaska is part of Canada anyway. Because most americans are flipping idiots. As of right now if we merged I think Canada would have the upper hand considering they would be bailing out the weak dollar with their stronger currency. Thank god I have a jar full of canadian quarters...they are finally worth something now.

Seriously, though. The North American Union plot is real!

got any proof?
or you gonna bark all day little doggy? (sorry i was waiting for a situation to say that, i've been waiting for ages you know).
But seriously North American Union plot? I thought America was big enough already, not to mention the amount of extra drugs trade issues and gang wars it would spark.

got any proof?
or you gonna bark all day little doggy? (sorry i was waiting for a situation to say that, i've been waiting for ages you know).
But seriously North American Union plot? I thought America was big enough already, not to mention the amount of extra drugs trade issues and gang wars it would spark.

Proof? It's a conspiracy! How would I get proof?

Seriously though, I actually know someone who said she was voting for Ron Paul because none of the other candidates were talking about the NAU. I'm glad it wasn't in person, because I found that incredibly funny.

Proof? It's a conspiracy! How would I get proof?

Seriously though, I actually know someone who said she was voting for Ron Paul because none of the other candidates were talking about the NAU. I'm glad it wasn't in person, because I found that incredibly funny.

Proof? er you could ask the high heid hins to tell you everything they know, then tell me, then i write a book then i become a millionaire and i save America from a NAU. The possibilities are endless (i think that's from an advert somewhere isn't it? damn subbliminal messages)


really?
I'm not even American and i'm fully aware of there being no NAU.
No wonder you get all the good comedians.

Well If no one has mentioned this: Besides being in the classical music cannon "The War of 1812" might hinder Canada and US merger.

Also, some people would protest to the name(s) of the new nation. Possibly, Canadica or Amerada the best opitions; besides United North America/ UNA or variations there of.

Lastly, I like Canada as an escape option; the USA would just ruin it, culturally and enviromentaly.

I'm not even American and i'm fully aware of there being no NAU.
No wonder you get all the good comedians.

Someone clearly hasn't ever gone from London comedy nights to Los Angeles ones. Excuse me while I shudder violently.

Someone clearly hasn't ever gone from London comedy nights to Los Angeles ones. Excuse me while I shudder violently.

well i haven't. sorry for not achieving such an important part of life which you happen to think i'm missing out on.
London is miles away from me anyway (and i'm not rich so i couldn't afford to stay there for long).

well i haven't. sorry for not achieving such an important part of life which you happen to think i'm missing out on.
London is miles away from me anyway (and i'm not rich so i couldn't afford to stay there for long).

Haha, calm down. It was just a casual comment about you saying America had all the good comedians.

Haha, calm down. It was just a casual comment about you saying America had all the good comedians.
:cool:

all is fair in love and war.
Hey wait a minute what moron said that?
I mean honestly, fair and war do not go together, must have been a right idiot.

No, provinces and territories can't secede either. Or else Quebec would be long independant.
Yes they can. The terms are laid out the Clarity Act.

Quebec has yet to satisfy the terms of the act: Step one - get explicit approval from a majority of your voting populace. Quebec hasn't done that, yet (thought they came close in 1995 with 49.4%).

Lastly, I like Canada as an escape option; the USA would just ruin it, culturally and enviromentaly.
The EPA would never let the Athabasca Tar Mines happen.

Polukinthulatestussia: No way! Canada has its own culture and canadian humour is very different from united statan (I despise the demonym American) humour. Our football is different too. How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)? Not only that but our anthems are different and so are our political systems? How would you determine whether we use O Canda or that anthem about the revolutionary war? Would French and English become official throughout the country? Would CBC and ABC merge? What about NBC? Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided? How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada? How many loopholes would be created by the merge of laws? Would the new country still be part of the commonwealth and if yes, would the new country keep the Queen as head of state? Would the senate now actually mean something in Canada? Would the lower house be called the House of Commons or the Congress (or whatever shit the USA has)? Would the new country still be the leading consumer first world of marijuana? Would the country have a trade surplus or deficit? Would GST and PST still apply?

Dude,You can't forget that here in the US, Spanish is also a major language.
So we might end up speaking Enfrespish or something wierd like that.And I don't think you Canadians would like the many gangs we have, MS-13 comes to mind.

Why not Canada and Mexico? That way we don't have to remember two countries that border the US, just one.

Why not Canada and Mexico? That way we don't have to remember two countries that border the US, just one.

lol! classic,dude,classic!

"Canada and the U.S. are basically the same country. Same food, same people, same everything. One of the few ways to tell the diffrence is to make this observation to a Canadian."

Naw, we Americans tried that back in the Revolution and during the War of 1812. We asked nicely and everything even! But them Canadians didn't want to and were very rude about saying no as well. :p

There's secretly a plot to combine Canada, the US, and Mexico into one big country. It's called the North American Union and it must be stopped. This is why we must all vote Ron Paul.

Why must it be stopped? I like the idea of a North American Union.

Wait until the zombies overrun the world. Then the US and Canada will join together with the EU to form the North Atlantic Alliance.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/NorthAtlanticAlliance.png

I support this union based on flag alone.

Indeed. Your misconception of our sanity's strange. Why we would be perceived as sane when our national animal is a fucking beaver escapes me. :p
Beavers one, beavers all, let's all do the beaver call!

I think the United States is more likely to implode then merge with Canada.

True, but that doesn't mean I can't think it's a good idea.

I think the United States is more likely to implode then merge with Canada.

Why must it be stopped? I like the idea of a North American Union.

Vive,L'Union Americaine!!!!!!!

Vive,L'Union Americaine!!!!!!!

¡Sí! ¡Viva la Unión Norteamericana!

Vive,L'Union Americaine!!!!!!!

Non

I'm an American who is just as befuddled as you. Despite what either side may say, our cultures are virtually identical. We are the biggest trade partners of each other. We share the largest border in the world I think. Tourism between our two nations is one of the largest in the world. Our currencies are very similar in history and value. There's no reason NOT to unite really. I think it's mainly the deluded sovereignitists who think our rights will be squashed if there is a union and the Canadians don't like our conservatives. The thing is, they'd bring a whole political realignment if we became a union.

In the end, we will unite. It's just a matter of time.

Why not Canada and Mexico? That way we don't have to remember two countries that border the US, just one.
Where I live is the only place in the world where Canadians go north of the border, to get to Mexicantown for some tacos, no less.

¡Sí! ¡Viva la Unión Norteamericana!
Vrai,Vrai,Oui!
Non
Was nicht?
I'm an American who is just as befuddled as you. Despite what either side may say, our cultures are virtually identical. We are the biggest trade partners of each other. We share the largest border in the world I think. Tourism between our two nations is one of the largest in the world. Our currencies are very similar in history and value. There's no reason NOT to unite really. I think it's mainly the deluded sovereignitists who think our rights will be squashed if there is a union and the Canadians don't like our conservatives. The thing is, they'd bring a whole political realignment if we became a union.

In the end, we will unite. It's just a matter of time.

The Canadians copy everything we do.Union is inevitable!!!!!!!!!

We're two sovereign nations with somewhat different cultures, that's why.

Why don't the United Kingdom and France become one country?

We're two sovereign nations with somewhat different cultures, that's why.

Why don't the United Kingdom and France become one country?

Dude the diffs betwixt the cultures of the UK and La Republique Francais are much more than those of The US and Canada,We're so similar the diffs could be easily bridged.

Or make the USA a British Colony. Then we could improve them.

We already kicked Britain's ass once. Bring it on.

After all England did rule parts of France before.

er.... I was thinking more how the Normans ruled England...

We already kicked Britain's ass once. Bring it on.

Of course we'd win yet again.

Why don't the United Kingdom and France become one country?

After all England did rule parts of France before.

We already kicked Britain's ass once. Bring it on.

But then...this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nupdcGwIG-g).. would be some sort of Romeo/Juliet problem with warring families. You wouldn't want to do that to them would you?

I imagine there's still some bitterness over the Hundred Years War.

You don't think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwiH18QwpU) might be a block to us getting along? ;)

And they burned the White House down!

I imagine there's still some bitterness over the Hundred Years War.

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)Why doesn't Poland become part of Germany again?

The same can be said for New Zealand and Australia. Why don't you ask the Kiwis if they want to be Austrazealanders.

We almost have the same administration anyway. NZ as an Australian state (but with more freedoms and power than a normal state) is not as far-fetched as you might think, the invitation to New Zealand to be an Australian state has not been withdrawn since the autralian federation was formed.

er.... I was thinking more how the Normans ruled England...

I was thinking of the battle of Hastings too. However I always count William the Conqueror as a English king. However that is technically wrong.

Why doesn't Poland become part of Germany again?

A minor spat in 1939 probably ruined that idea.

A minor spat in 1939 probably ruined that idea.

Well, we're still singing off-key about that minor spat in 1812, so there you go...

**How would you determine whether the 100 or 110 yard field is used or if there are 3 or 4 downs (I think)?**

I guess we'd have to show you how to play football the right way, and fold the CFL into the NFL, the same way the ABA was folded into the NBA.

**Not only that but our anthems are different and so are our political systems?**

Is this a question or not? I mean, it has a question mark on the end, but it's not really asking anything.

**How would you determine whether we use O Canda or that anthem about the revolutionary war?** The anthem whose name you apparently can't recall is 'The Star-Spangled Banner' and is one of the greatest anthems ever. No contest.

**Would French and English become official throughout the country?**

Now you're just talking crazy.

**Would CBC and ABC merge? What about NBC?**

Finally a suggestion with some merit. We'll take 'Red Green' and more hockey, sure.

**Would each province and territory be a state or would they be subdivided? **
We'd probably keep them like they are, although California might throw a tantrum about not being one of the biggest states anymore.

**How would you keep Quebec from using the merge as an oppurtunity to separate from Canada?**

Frankly, if that collection of snail-eating whiners wants to strike off on their own, more power to 'em. But like my father told me when I was young and dumb, if you leave like that, don't think you're coming back

**How many loopholes would be created by the merge of laws?**
None. Since we'd be absorbing Canada, our laws would overrule any existing ones in Canada.

**Would the new country still be part of the commonwealth and if yes, would the new country keep the Queen as head of state?**

Again with the crazy talk.

**Would the lower house be called the House of Commons or the Congress (or whatever shit the USA has)?**

See the answer to the question above about loopholes

**Would the new country still be the leading consumer first world of marijuana?**

No. Doobies make you lazy and stupid.

**Would the country have a trade surplus or deficit?**

Surplus.

**Would GST and PST still apply?**

Since y'all would no longer be tyrannized by socialism, you'd be freed from the stifling burden of having to pay the government to run your lives.

If that your attitudes, we'd never join you. :rolleyes:

Because the US is full of prudes that would ruin Canada. I imagine Canadians would have none of it.

Or, we can partition the U.S. and Canada into "Jesusland" and the "United States of Canada," as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jesusland_map_with_Alberta.svg

Now we're talking.

If that happens I'll have nowhere to live when the USA tries to draft me. I sure as fuck ain't going to Mexico, and the UK is too expensive.

If that happens I'll have nowhere to live when the USA tries to draft me. I sure as fuck ain't going to Mexico, and the UK is too expensive.

There won't be a draft. No politician would vote for it, because it would be political suicide to attempt to reinstate it.

I just realized......













........this thread needs a poll

I just realized......













........this thread needs a poll


A stripper pole? http://www.lasvegasstripperpoles.com/home.php?cat=250

A stripper pole? http://www.lasvegasstripperpoles.com/home.php?cat=250

With Canadian strippers. ;)

Geniasis:

1. w/e

2. ok, w/e

3. w/e

Sante Croix:

**I guess we'd have to show you how to play football the right way, and fold the CFL into the NFL, the same way the ABA was folded into the NBA.**

Personally, I play it the american way when I do play it, it was just to show a difference.

**Is this a question or not? I mean, it has a question mark on the end, but it's not really asking anything.**

Not a question, I didn't proofread my post.

**Now you're just talking crazy.**
**Again with the crazy talk.**
**None. Since we'd be absorbing Canada, our laws would overrule any existing ones in Canada.**
**See the answer to the question above about loopholes**

Excuse me but you damn people from the united states are no better than us maple tree hugging hippies.

**The anthem whose name you apparently can't recall is 'The Star-Spangled Banner' and is one of the greatest anthems ever. No contest.**

So I have to re-learn the national anthem? No thank you.

**Finally a suggestion with some merit. We'll take 'Red Green' and more hockey, sure.**

You're forgeting about RMR and 22 minutes.

**We'd probably keep them like they are, although California might throw a tantrum about not being one of the biggest states anymore.**

*Imagines McGuinty as a governor* Damn.

**Frankly, if that collection of snail-eating whiners wants to strike off on their own, more power to 'em. But like my father told me when I was young and dumb, if you leave like that, don't think you're coming back**

That's the thing we don't want.

**No. Doobies make you lazy and stupid.**

It's illegal here too.

**Surplus.**

With all the stuff you guys buy from China, I sure hope so.

**Since y'all would no longer be tyrannized by socialism, you'd be freed from the stifling burden of having to pay the government to run your lives.**

US has just as free healthcare as Canada. GST = Goods & Services Tax and PST = Provincial Sales Tax BTW.

Frankly, I think you guys just want to fight:sniper:. And you sound like you think inport and export is a bad thing, which it could be BUT IT IS NOT!! (The next statement is for the guy that said California would have a tantrum)And all though some Californians would through a fit abount not being the third largest state some of us could care less. California could be the smallest state in the U.S and I wouldnt care at all.

With Canadian strippers. ;)

Certainly not with the strippers in my area. They weren't that impressive the last time I went to a strip club.

For the person asking how to reconcile US and Canadian football the answer is easy. 100 yds vs 110? Obviously we just go for 105yds. 3 downs vs 4? Yeah, 3.5 downs will suffice. c wut i did thar?

Why don't the United Kingdom and France become one country?
They almost did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_claims_to_the_French_throne#Hundred_Years.27_War) once (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_years_war)...

The last blackout dispelled that myth. In New York, we had huge ice cream parties. (because all the stores figured it was going to melt anyway, so might as well dish it out.) In Canada, riots and looting.

Sorry, guys, but the Canadian claim to special wisdom died that night.

Looting occurred in Brooklyn as well (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E0D91330F93BA2575BC0A9659C8B63), and the looting in Canada (http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins081903.asp) wasn't that serious (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americas/08/15/canada.blackout.ap/index.html).

I'm an American who is just as befuddled as you. Despite what either side may say, our cultures are virtually identical. We are the biggest trade partners of each other. We share the largest border in the world I think. Tourism between our two nations is one of the largest in the world. Our currencies are very similar in history and value. There's no reason NOT to unite really. I think it's mainly the deluded sovereignitists who think our rights will be squashed if there is a union and the Canadians don't like our conservatives. The thing is, they'd bring a whole political realignment if we became a union.

In the end, we will unite. It's just a matter of time.

Doesn't seem to me like you've actually been to Canada. The day Americans follow hockey fanatically and develop a decidedly rural attitude is the day "our cultures are virtually identical". Canadian politics also generally rarely features the ideologues that get so much press in the U.S. (although I'll attribute that to our population- with 30 million people compared to 330 million in the U.S., I'm sure proportion-wise the amount of fanatics in Canada and the U.S. are the same- we just don't hear about them as much in Canada simply because there just isn't enough of them, whereas the U.S.' population allows that). They're similar, don't get me wrong, but by no means are they "the same".

If you ask me, Canada and the U.S. are headed into becoming 63 independent states "united" among the same lines as the European Union, because there's already a lot of regionalism at play in both countries, with the only real "union" being economic. I doubt the countries will fall apart overnight (or even in the next decade) but I figure in 100 years or so we won't be talking about the U.S. and Canada- we'll be talking about Ontario, Missouri, Nova Scotia and Hawaii, if we haven't started to do so already.

I like to think of the U.S. as being sort of like the fictional city Ankh-Morpork.

No enemies have ever entered Ankh-Morpork.

This is not entirely true. Technically they have, quite often; the city welcomes free-spending barbarian invaders, but somehow the puzzled raiders always find, after a few days, that they don't own their own horses anymore, and within a couple of months they're just another minority group with its own graffiti and food shops.

So? That was a long time ago and everyone involved is dead. Besides, they are a perfect match.

Sorry to break thread but you had some samaba questions? sent you a TG

A minor spat in 1939 probably ruined that idea.So? That was a long time ago and everyone involved is dead. Besides, they are a perfect match.

Because Canada doesn't want Texas.

Canada is destined to become part of the US-negotiations were underway last for this event under the Reagan administration, but were offset by Quebec's then-determination to be independent. I believe current stalls are in place from the necessity of Mexican integration, and accusations from the Democrats that such incorporation is imperialism. Quite frankly, I don't see why statehood shouldn't be offered to Japan and Taiwan as well as Germany, Israel, Australia, and eventually Iraq in addition to the proposed England offer. The Constitution provides the best working model for a one-world government, and with no national language and the Internet, it's rather foolish not to incorporate these nations.

Canada needs America more than America needs Canada. What does Canada have? Moose and maple syrup. In the event of a maple syrup depression and moose shortage, America would turn to Alaska, which is known as "America's Canada" for a reason.

What does America have the Canada doesn't? Nukes and a hell lot of them. Where would the world be today without the capability of destroying itself within a matter of a few hours? It would be a big hellhole run by hippies.

Also, if they did merge, they would be called the United States of America because that's what they'd be. States united. Canada would just be our 51st state and a pretty big one at that.

After Canada becomes state #51, we'd annex Mexico. They need to be annexed. Look at them. They have some of the richest natural resource supplies in the entire world and they're third world. When we anexed Texas, we should have gone all nine yards and annex the entire hellhole known as Mexico. They'd hate it at first. Then they'd realize they won't have to invade some other country to find jobs or whatever. And they'd enjoy good old fashioned American nukes. We have more than enough. After all, we invented them. We can make more.

Then we'd conquer Central and South America. We'd leave Venezuela alone. We don't want Hugoland and that's really saying something when we allow Rosie O' Donnel to step foot in our country and breathe our air. We already have a hellhole. It's called LA.

Won't the UN do something, you ask? It's the UN. Not giving a damn is their job and if they violate their sacred duty to not give a damn, we'd secretly start something in Europe or the Middle East or something. That'll keep them busy. Damn UN. Some crazy African warlords kill some people and the UN couldn't care less. But Bush has us invade a third world dictatorship that has repeatedly violated the treaties we made them sign and the UN throws a fit. And this nation we invade just happens to be the one Bush Sr. had us fight and people throw a fit.

After establishing the United States as one of only two nations in the new world, we might invade Egypt or something. Their pyramids are pointy. They remind us of bayonets. And the location. Right there next to Isreal and so close to Saudi Arabia. We'd party.

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

The culture is surprisingly different at times. And neither country wants to be a part of the other, due partly to current cultural, political and economic reasons, but also to historical ones (such as the US trying to invade Canada twice, and British & Canadian troops burning down our capital).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Jesusland.png/661px-Jesusland.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Jesusland.png/661px-Jesusland.png

why is alaska part of jesusland?????

I can certainly dig a United States of Canada...

why is alaska part of jesusland?????
Voted for Bush. Twice. By huge margins. I'm going to start a SE secession movement. I don't care if my oil money and job go away. The cruise ships and ecotourism will sustain us as long as we don't cut down the rest of the Tongass. The rest of Alaska should like it because then they can put the damn capital in Wasilla or Anchorage or wherever they want.

i hope they don't, because then americans wouldn't have any place to flee to the north if/when america becomes to tyranical and overcrowded.

canada has plenty of places still to hide out in the woods, provided one has means to survive the winters where those places are.

actually the u.s. is way too big now. if it was divested into regeonal soverignties, some of those might overlap and encompass some of what are provences of canada currently.

that might not be so bad. maybe a good thing all around.

my pacific states for instance, would include the northern half of california, along with oregon, washington state, b.c., yukon, and alaska.

even if that doesn't happen, it WOULD make more sense for alaska to be part of canada.

maybe we could trade alaska for something, like maybe part of b.c.

not that i have anything against alaska, just the contrary. i just think as part of canada they'd be in a much better class of company.

=^^=
.../\...

What does Canada have?

Water. Clean drinkable water.

We already kicked Britain's ass once. Bring it on.

The usa only one with foreign help you nearly lost and the usa has never ruled a huge empire like britain has and americans are just european rebels because you all came from europe

er.... I was thinking more how the Normans ruled England...

Arguably, both are true. The norman conquered England, but maintained their French holdings and at various points did own quite large chunks of France. After several centuries it is arguable that the norman nobility did become naturalised, certainly it was always phrased that the french holdings were part of the English crown rather than the other way round.

Canada is destined to become part of the US-negotiations were underway last for this event under the Reagan administration, but were offset by Quebec's then-determination to be independent. I believe current stalls are in place from the necessity of Mexican integration, and accusations from the Democrats that such incorporation is imperialism. Quite frankly, I don't see why statehood shouldn't be offered to Japan and Taiwan as well as Germany, Israel, Australia, and eventually Iraq in addition to the proposed England offer. The Constitution provides the best working model for a one-world government, and with no national language and the Internet, it's rather foolish not to incorporate these nations.

The British people would rather DIE than be annexed by The USA and the Queen would never allow it

Arguably, both are true. The norman conquered England, but maintained their French holdings and at various points did own quite large chunks of France. After several centuries it is arguable that the norman nobility did become naturalised, certainly it was always phrased that the french holdings were part of the English crown rather than the other way round.

Well one thing is that the Norman's were quite interrelated with the English Crown given marriages and whatnot - it wasn't merely an invasion, it was an debatable claim to the Crown.

Second, the Normans were vassals to the French Crown and remained so after the conquest - it can more be argued that the Norman kings considered themselves French with England merely being a territory.

The 100 years war changed all that.

They almost did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_claims_to_the_French_throne#Hundred_Years.27_War) once (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_years_war)...

Actually significantly more recently than that and under more peacful circumenstances:
1940 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1940/400616a.html) and 1956 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6261885.stm)

For the person asking how to reconcile US and Canadian football the answer is easy. 100 yds vs 110? Obviously we just go for 105yds. 3 downs vs 4? Yeah, 3.5 downs will suffice. c wut i did thar?

Or you could both start playing REAL football, like the rest of the world and join FIFA :P

We do play REAL football in America. Here, if you're jumping around on the field in little shorts, you're a cheerleader, not a player.If this is supposed to be a defense of a sport where you get to take a break every few minutes, then it is a rather sad one.

**Or you could both start playing REAL football, like the rest of the world and join FIFA**

We do play REAL football in America. Here, if you're jumping around on the field in little shorts, you're a cheerleader, not a player.

This just in: Greg Felton author of 'Parasite and Host:How Israel's Fifth Column Consumed America' was asked to speak at a Vancouver library about his book. But wait, you say, doesn't Canada maintain a tribunal to prosecute authors who write things that malign ethnic groups and hurt people's feelings? Why, yes they do, as Mark Steyn, author of 'America Alone' has found out, running afoul of Canada's rather Orwellian 'Human Rights Commission.' Of course Mr. Steyn's tome was penned about Islamic extremism, not imagined Jewish consipiracies.

Mr. Felton's invitation was defended on the grounds that 'it was relevant to Freedom To Read Week.' Yes..'Freedom To Read Week.' Say what you will about our cousins to the north, you have to admire their commitment to irony...and their robust sense of humor.

If this is supposed to be a defense of a sport where you get to take a break every few minutes, then it is a rather sad one.
Seconds, dear. Seconds. If a play in American football lasts more than a minute, I'd say it's a good play. :p


PS. Why is this thread still alive? All I see is a couple of people arguing over which country's popular sport is better.

I was wondering, wouldn't the Quebequois object to such an union? I've met a few and they're extremely patriotic and proud to be from Québec, and Canadian. Can you imagine the outrage if Canada becomes part of the US? LMAO!:D

I was wondering, wouldn't the Quebequois object to such an union? I've met a few and they're extremely patriotic and proud to be from Québec, and Canadian. Can you imagine the outrage if Canada becomes part of the US? LMAO!:D
They would hate the union, actually, because that means their French origins are even more of a minority in such a big Anglican union. In addition, the US is a melting pot of cultures, and Canada a mosaic. To combine the two would probably result in US melting Canadian cultures in with theirs, which would mean a loss of even more French heritage which the Quebecois are so proud of. They are already having trouble preserving their disappearing language and culture. A union between Canada and another English-speaking country would be the last thing they want.

/serious post.

PIES!

Our beloved Constitution has been shredded. Either we boot the dirtbags in government who've destroyed our country (D & R alike) and return to striving for true liberty, or we may as well get ready for MexAmeriCanada. haven't you heard that Bush, your PM, and El Presidente have been negotiating to create a North American Union? If they do succeed, we'll be stuck with the WORST parts of each country: Poverty from Mexico, excess legislation from US, and whatever you Canadians gripe about up north. Enjoy!

At lest we'll get Red Green.

The British people would rather DIE than be annexed by The USA and the Queen would never allow it

Quite Right too.

In any case, the USA is an Empire of 50 states.

And We'll be a Soverign Nation long after the End of the USA.

Our beloved Constitution has been shredded. Either we boot the dirtbags in government who've destroyed our country (D & R alike) and return to striving for true liberty, or we may as well get ready for MexAmeriCanada. haven't you heard that Bush, your PM, and El Presidente have been negotiating to create a North American Union? If they do succeed, we'll be stuck with the WORST parts of each country: Poverty from Mexico, excess legislation from US, and whatever you Canadians gripe about up north. Enjoy!

At lest we'll get Red Green.
The weather.

At least that's what I'm griping about. Goddamn snow in March.

And Americans. We gripe a lot about Americans. But it's kind of a given that we're going to be stuck with Americans in this union. *sigh* :p

Quite Right too.

In any case, the USA is an Empire of 50 states.

And We'll be a Soverign Nation long after the End of the USA.

True. And sad. The sovreign states have surrendered their authority to the monster in DC and we are no longer a confederation of independent States with a federal government responsible only for international affairs. Now we are a monolithic monster that is cannibalizing itself while threatening the world. But there is a resistance within. It may be too late to work within the system, but it's still too early to shoot the bastards.

They would hate the union, actually, because that means their French origins are even more of a minority in such a big Anglican union. In addition, the US is a melting pot of cultures, and Canada a mosaic. To combine the two would probably result in US melting Canadian cultures in with theirs, which would mean a loss of even more French heritage which the Quebecois are so proud of. They are already having trouble preserving their disappearing language and culture. A union between Canada and another English-speaking country would be the last thing they want.

/serious post.

PIES!

:D

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I disagree with that as much now as the first time it was posted on this forum, and even more so than the first time that was posted on this very thread.

**If this is supposed to be a defense of a sport where you get to take a break every few minutes, then it is a rather sad one.**

First of all, football needs no defense, because it's superiority over soccer is so blindingly obvious that it is beyond dispute.

Secondly, unlike a game that involves chasing a ball up and down a field like a bunch of ADD-addled five year olds on a play date, football involves strategy and what appears to the untutoured mind to be the players 'taking a break' is instead the offensive and defensive lines lining up and executing strategic manuvers for a series of of what are called 'downs.' (N.B. They're called 'downs' because when the play is over, someone is 'down' i.e. they've been spiked into the ground like a lawn dart)

Water. Clean drinkable water.

I can't speak for other people in the US, but I can drink water out of the tap without any problems. My parents have a hand dug well that they can drink out of, besides the water they get from the faucet (the hand dug well comes from the same underground water table as the electric well they have). My sister, her husband, and their kids can drink the water out of their faucet.

The usa only one with foreign help you nearly lost and the usa has never ruled a huge empire like britain has and americans are just european rebels because you all came from europe

Not my parents, my sisters, or I. We were all born here in the US.

**If this is supposed to be a defense of a sport where you get to take a break every few minutes, then it is a rather sad one.**

First of all, football needs no defense, because it's superiority over soccer is so blindingly obvious that it is beyond dispute.

Secondly, unlike a game that involves chasing a ball up and down a field like a bunch of ADD-addled five year olds on a play date, football involves strategy and what appears to the untutoured mind to be the players 'taking a break' is instead the offensive and defensive lines lining up and executing strategic manuvers for a series of of what are called 'downs.' (N.B. They're called 'downs' because when the play is over, someone is 'down' i.e. they've been spiked into the ground like a lawn dart)
Enough with the insults already. Whether someone likes American football more or European football more is pure personal preference. It's like if one person prefers vanilla pudding and another prefers chocolate pudding. Are you going to say someone has an "untutored taste" just because they don't like the same flavour of pudding as you? (PS. you spelled untutored wrong. /spelling nazi) Honestly, I can make the same arguments for the two flavours of pudding as you are with the two kinds of football right now, so stop insulting other posters simply for a difference in preferences.

Of Course! How can you even say that? Chocolate pudding TOTALLY PWNS Vanilla pudding. Anyone who likes Vanilla Pudding more than Chocolate Pudding has an untutored taste, plain and simple...
...who am I to disagree? I love chocolate pudding too much. :D
BTW Hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.
Agreed. I see you're in Hamilton. What's Hamilton like? (I is in Mississauga...)

Enough with the insults already. Whether someone likes American football more or European football more is pure personal preference. It's like if one person prefers vanilla pudding and another prefers chocolate pudding. Are you going to say someone has an "untutored taste" just because they don't like the same flavour of pudding as you? (PS. you spelled untutored wrong. /spelling nazi) Honestly, I can make the same arguments for the two flavours of pudding as you are with the two kinds of football right now, so stop insulting other posters simply for a difference in preferences.

Of Course! How can you even say that? Chocolate pudding TOTALLY PWNS Vanilla pudding. Anyone who likes Vanilla Pudding more than Chocolate Pudding has an untutored taste, plain and simple...




BTW Hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.

I can't speak for other people in the US, but I can drink water out of the tap without any problems. My parents have a hand dug well that they can drink out of, besides the water they get from the faucet (the hand dug well comes from the same underground water table as the electric well they have). My sister, her husband, and their kids can drink the water out of their faucet.

Me too. Per a test when we bought the house, our water is great.

It tastes good.

Actually- of all my friends and relatives, I'm not aware of any that you cant drink tap water from.

Quite Right too.

In any case, the USA is an Empire of 50 states.

And We'll be a Soverign Nation long after the End of the USA.

The End of the USA is no where in sight.

You may still be a sovereign nation, however,its very likely you'll have a muslim majority. Things may be different than you're expecting.

I support this union based on flag alone.


Beavers one, beavers all, let's all do the beaver call!

*does the beaver call*

I'm an American who is just as befuddled as you. Despite what either side may say, our cultures are virtually identical. We are the biggest trade partners of each other. We share the largest border in the world I think. Tourism between our two nations is one of the largest in the world. Our currencies are very similar in history and value. There's no reason NOT to unite really. I think it's mainly the deluded sovereignitists who think our rights will be squashed if there is a union and the Canadians don't like our conservatives. The thing is, they'd bring a whole political realignment if we became a union.

In the end, we will unite. It's just a matter of time.

Don't like your conservatives? What is the difference between Conservatives and Republicans?

With Canadian strippers. ;)

Mais, of course.

For the person asking how to reconcile US and Canadian football the answer is easy. 100 yds vs 110? Obviously we just go for 105yds. 3 downs vs 4? Yeah, 3.5 downs will suffice. c wut i did thar?

3.5 downs? You have no knowledge of [american] football, do you?

Looting occurred in Brooklyn as well (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E0D91330F93BA2575BC0A9659C8B63), and the looting in Canada (http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins081903.asp) wasn't that serious (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americas/08/15/canada.blackout.ap/index.html).



Doesn't seem to me like you've actually been to Canada. The day Americans follow hockey fanatically and develop a decidedly rural attitude is the day "our cultures are virtually identical". Canadian politics also generally rarely features the ideologues that get so much press in the U.S. (although I'll attribute that to our population- with 30 million people compared to 330 million in the U.S., I'm sure proportion-wise the amount of fanatics in Canada and the U.S. are the same- we just don't hear about them as much in Canada simply because there just isn't enough of them, whereas the U.S.' population allows that). They're similar, don't get me wrong, but by no means are they "the same".

Don't foget our coffee. They are different too. (Tim Hortons vs. non-Tim Hortons)

If you ask me, Canada and the U.S. are headed into becoming 63 independent states "united" among the same lines as the European Union, because there's already a lot of regionalism at play in both countries, with the only real "union" being economic. I doubt the countries will fall apart overnight (or even in the next decade) but I figure in 100 years or so we won't be talking about the U.S. and Canada- we'll be talking about Ontario, Missouri, Nova Scotia and Hawaii, if we haven't started to do so already.

Because Canada doesn't want Texas.

Noooooooooo!!!! John Tory doesn't stand a chance without the Feds supporting him.

Canada needs America more than America needs Canada. What does Canada have? Moose and maple syrup. In the event of a maple syrup depression and moose shortage, America would turn to Alaska, which is known as "America's Canada" for a reason.

The RCMP, much to one's surprise, use horses over moose. Moose are very useless. We have more oil than any other country except Saudi Arabia so I think the US needs Canada more.

What does America have the Canada doesn't? Nukes and a hell lot of them. Where would the world be today without the capability of destroying itself within a matter of a few hours? It would be a big hellhole run by hippies.

My point exactly. What do our neighbours to the south have that we don't? Well, let's start off with REAL armed forces.

Also, if they did merge, they would be called the United States of America because that's what they'd be. States united. Canada would just be our 51st state and a pretty big one at that.

Not if Canadians have any say in it.

After Canada becomes state #51, we'd annex Mexico. They need to be annexed. Look at them. They have some of the richest natural resource supplies in the entire world and they're third world. When we anexed Texas, we should have gone all nine yards and annex the entire hellhole known as Mexico. They'd hate it at first. Then they'd realize they won't have to invade some other country to find jobs or whatever. And they'd enjoy good old fashioned American nukes. We have more than enough. After all, we invented them. We can make more.

Ignorant. We'd become states #52 through 63. Don't speak for the mexicans, they have their own voices. Right?

Then we'd conquer Central and South America. We'd leave Venezuela alone. We don't want Hugoland and that's really saying something when we allow Rosie O' Donnel to step foot in our country and breathe our air. We already have a hellhole. It's called LA.

Imperialist.

Won't the UN do something, you ask? It's the UN. Not giving a damn is their job and if they violate their sacred duty to not give a damn, we'd secretly start something in Europe or the Middle East or something. That'll keep them busy. Damn UN. Some crazy African warlords kill some people and the UN couldn't care less. But Bush has us invade a third world dictatorship that has repeatedly violated the treaties we made them sign and the UN throws a fit. And this nation we invade just happens to be the one Bush Sr. had us fight and people throw a fit.

It's because next it is going to be more countries. The UN's purpose is to be the voice of the world against the US.

I can certainly dig a United States of Canada...

Good, next we need a government.

Water. Clean drinkable water.

Especially in ON

The usa only one with foreign help you nearly lost and the usa has never ruled a huge empire like britain has and americans are just european rebels because you all came from europe

Don't forget the aboriginals and illega- oh wait they are either european descendants or natives. Don't forget the aboriginals.

Or you could both start playing REAL football, like the rest of the world and join FIFA :P

We do play football. Both REAL and our own. Because we always need two of everything.

Our beloved Constitution has been shredded. Either we boot the dirtbags in government who've destroyed our country (D & R alike) and return to striving for true liberty, or we may as well get ready for MexAmeriCanada. haven't you heard that Bush, your PM, and El Presidente have been negotiating to create a North American Union? If they do succeed, we'll be stuck with the WORST parts of each country: Poverty from Mexico, excess legislation from US, and whatever you Canadians gripe about up north. Enjoy!

At lest we'll get Red Green.

And Rick Mercer's Report.

...who am I to disagree? I love chocolate pudding too much. :D

Agreed. I see you're in Hamilton. What's Hamilton like? (I is in Mississauga...)

Only semi-related:

Leafs host the Devils tonight. Go Leafs!

Of Course! How can you even say that? Chocolate pudding TOTALLY PWNS Vanilla pudding. Anyone who likes Vanilla Pudding more than Chocolate Pudding has an untutored taste, plain and simple...




BTW Hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.

Agreed and Agreed.

We should be trying to make our countries smaller, not bigger. Smaller countries can more easily be governed according the the wishes of their inhabitants. Big countries constantly have to compromise, and then no one's happy.

Tax reasons. Plus I get the feeling that Canada looks down on the US a little bit. Plus they're still kinda part of the British Commonwealth.

I get the feeling that Canada looks down on the US a little bit. Plus they're still kinda part of the British Commonwealth.

Gee, what ever gave you that impression?:rolleyes:

Gee, what ever gave you that impression?:rolleyes:

What Canadians have said to me, and the way they act in general. Y'know my life experience.

What Canadians have said to me, and the way they act in general. Y'know my life experience.


I know I was being sarcastic. Canadians are very nationalistic on average.

Our beloved Constitution has been shredded. Either we boot the dirtbags in government who've destroyed our country (D & R alike) and return to striving for true liberty, or we may as well get ready for MexAmeriCanada. haven't you heard that Bush, your PM, and El Presidente have been negotiating to create a North American Union? If they do succeed, we'll be stuck with the WORST parts of each country: Poverty from Mexico, excess legislation from US, and whatever you Canadians gripe about up north. Enjoy!

At lest we'll get Red Green.

Did you read "An Inconvenient Book" by Glen Beck too? If not, there is a section where he talks about why the American Gov't hasn't done anything to stop illegal immigration and mentions the "MexAmeriCanada" union that is supposively expected to "take place within 8 years of the retirement of the baby boomer generation."

Hey, It's not are fault that our country is made of awesome....:p

and dont forget the sprinkles of sunshine dust too!

I know I was being sarcastic. Canadians are very nationalistic on average.

Hey, It's not are fault that our country is made of awesome....:p

and dont forget the sprinkles of sunshine dust too!
All held together with beer.

Sing along now:

O Canada!
Hockey pucks, and beer!
O Canada, we sort of like it here-- ey?

...who am I to disagree? I love chocolate pudding too much. :D

Agreed. I see you're in Hamilton. What's Hamilton like? (I is in Mississauga...)

Hamilton has it's nice areas and bad areas, The mountain and suburban areas are pretty nice, but the Downtown core and Barton are bad. The downtown area really needs to be revitalized, there's too many homeless people, not enough parking and if your not from the area you'll get lost with all the one way streets...

I used to live in Mississauga, around Dundas and Winston Churchill...near Oakville and the 403

Hey what's a good Canadian beer?

Forget all that, just hurry up and make England the 51st state already

You can't have it. The United Kingdom has already been economically integrated into the European Union. Quite a few Brits still appear to be in denial about that, but that doesn't make it less true.

You can't have it. The United Kingdom has already been economically integrated into the European Union. Quite a few Brits still appear to be in denial about that, but that doesn't make it less true.
Then they'll take all of Europe just to prove you wrong.

Then they'll take all of Europe just to prove you wrong.

Well it sounded like a challenge. What, am I wrong on this one?

Alaska is the biggest state.

Being American is a virtue these days?

No, but I wouldn't call it a vice either.

I think everybody would get together as long as somebody got rid of Bush. It's sad, but the majority of Canadians believe that they could do a far better job than Bush, and who knows, maybe they could? Overall though, Canadians have way too much Anti-American beliefs for some reason, and they'd never agree to a union.

Yes we are, by virtue of being Americans. This is God's country, you know ;)


Being American is a virtue these days? Not only don't I buy it, I don't even want it for free! Claiming that the USA is God's country is pretty much an abrasive act of blasphemy, by the way. There's always room in the fiery pits of hell for people who embrace such national-religist statements, at least that's what I learned from the Bible. It's just a matter of the correct interpretation of the Holy Scripture, so that it fits your personal opinions. Huzzah!

How about NOT, I like my welfare state, NHS, sane gun laws, decent (comparatively) education system, ability to serve in the armed forces irrespective of sexuality and civil partnerships, thank you very much (and that's just what I could think of off the top of my head). :mp5::gundge::mp5:

Not to mention what would happen to poor ol' Wales then :p, although I suspect parts of Scotland would be having a party.

Well you can keep your welfare state, NHS, and gun laws because:

1. I'd rather be able to defend myself from criminals than be at the mercy of armed criminals because I'm not allowed to have a gun.
2. I prefer only having to pay for my OWN health insurance and/or medical bills than the whole country's through higher taxes.
3. I like being able to keep more of my hard-earned wages rather than having to fork most of it over to Uncle Sam to pay for people who wanna live off the government teat.

Being American is a virtue these days? Not only don't I buy it, I don't even want it for free!

Are you trying to say that Americans should be ashamed that they're Americans?

The US won't merge with Canada because of a bunch of dumb rednecks that will scream bloody murder about loss of sovereignty - not to mention the fact that canada doesn't contest evolution, gays can get married there, and marijuana is essentially legal in some areas.

Canada wouldn't want us.

You're making the assumption that we want Canada.

Canada is a better Country, with more British Influence.

The USA is a contender for GOM



:rolleyes:

Different culture and different outlook. It´s as simple as that. Canadians have their own identity and they´re proud of it. Americans also have a sense of self. You can´t just suddenly merge both nations because, aside from being in the same continent, they don´t share a common history nor the same goals. Both nations live differently.

Canada and America both have different identities, and neither wants the other. Face it everybody, it's never going to happen. In the same way that New Zealand and Australia are completely different, Canada and the U.S. are unique. Besides, with Obama and Hilary not even able to get along with NAFTA, how can they accept Canada, It would mess with their economy a lot. Anyways, the Canadian voice would be drowned out 10 to 1.

You're making the assumption that we want Canada.

I want Canada. I love hockey, I love pancakes, and I love Strange Brew.
He was right... Canada wouldn't want us. We have very little to offer, accept a bigger military (which won't be necessary if you don't go around declaring war like madmen) and a whole heap o' debt.
All they have to offer is a stronger dollar (I don't know how ours and theirs would sync up), a lot of space ready to be inhabited, and more freedoms.
Guess where I'm moving?

Let the Canada alone!!!

You're making the assumption that we want Canada.

Hush, we've entered negotiations.

Let the Canada alone!!!

*annexes Spain on behalf of Portugal*

Canada and the United States share strong economic, social, military, and cultural connections, but, then again, so do the United States and the United Kingdom, yet I don't hear any MPs screaming for unification with their former colonies.

The End of the USA is no where in sight.

You may still be a sovereign nation, however,its very likely you'll have a muslim majority. Things may be different than you're expecting.

Well I doubt that's going to happen in the near future, given that last census (2001) only 2.7% of the population identified themselves as muslim, and I imagine quite a few of those are 'cultural' or agnostic muslims (like those who self-identify as christian yet probably only make it to church at christmas)

Well you can keep your welfare state, NHS, and gun laws because:

1. I'd rather be able to defend myself from criminals than be at the mercy of armed criminals because I'm not allowed to have a gun.
2. I prefer only having to pay for my OWN health insurance and/or medical bills than the whole country's through higher taxes.
3. I like being able to keep more of my hard-earned wages rather than having to fork most of it over to Uncle Sam to pay for people who wanna live off the government teat.

You do realise that you are already paying way more for your health care than the average UK tax payer does, right? And that's for a worse coverage and care.

And you also realise that the guy who gets screwed by the system, can't find a job and ends up in the street with no welfare is the guy you feel the need to protect yourself from with a gun, right? I mean, if you enjoy the higher risk of getting into life threatening situations rather than pay 1.2% (in the UK at the moment) of your taxes on preventing that guy from ever becoming so desperate and resorting to threat and violence, sure, that's up to you.
Me, I'd rather live in a place where guns aren't needed.

Are you trying to say that Americans should be ashamed that they're Americans?

Nope. They just shouldn't assume that other people would want to be American.

You're making the assumption that we want Canada.
Yeah, ever since Ireland did a better job of invading Canada, we don't want it anymore. :p

*annexes Spain on behalf of Portugal*

:eek:
No!!! Let the Spain alone!!

You know, Mexico should take New Mexico back. Hell, all US territories originally colonized by the Spanish Conquistadors should return to motherland Mexico. It's only reasonable.

You know, Mexico should take New Mexico back. Hell, all US territories originally colonized by the Spanish Conquistadors should return to motherland Mexico. It's only reasonable.

Well, if we follow that logic, and universalize it, do you know how much map redrawing would be needed? We'd have a mass suicide of cartographers from all the ever changing boundaries.

Reason why Canada and USA cannot merge=

that would be like a brain and a stomach merging

the canadian brain must stay up top and do the thinking while the USA stomach sits down there in the middle and gobbles up all natural resources it can find

:mp5:

**Then they'll take all of Europe just to prove you wrong.**

No, we'll just let Europe founder on the rocks of it's own bad decisions until they ask us to step in and help them out. It'll be the early 40's all over again!

**Being American is a virtue these days?**

Of course it is, and no matter how many pansies sew Canadian flags to their duffel bags so they don't get hassled, that won't change.

**Claiming that the USA is God's country is pretty much an abrasive act of blasphemy, by the way.**

Calm down there, junior, before you burst something. That wasn't anything like a serious statement there.

**Me, I'd rather live in a place where guns aren't needed.**

Yeah, but it can be hard to get into the Rainbows and Unicorns FantasyLand. In the meantime, I'll take the option that allows me to defend myself and my family without waiting for the government to get off it's ass

<snip>
Hint: Quote button. Utilize it! :)

Otherwise, you look as though you're talking to yourself, and that's just silly.

Reason why Canada and USA cannot merge=

that would be like a brain and a stomach merging

the canadian brain must stay up top and do the thinking while the USA stomach sits down there in the middle and gobbles up all natural resources it can find

:mp5:

It coud be an good idea with the USAnarchy and Canada merging.. like a brain and a stomach cant work for them self, the brain needs power from the stomach and the stomach needs to get signals of when to stop eating the planet and make farts of Co2...

It coud be more fun if the continent was merged into one contry... think of the book Jennifer Goverment (the book Nationstates are builded on).. it is a future where the whole american continent are one nation, taxes are ilegal and the contry is rulled by big companies... so USAnarchy merging with Canada coud be the start of it... :rolleyes:

No, we'll just let Europe founder on the rocks of it's own bad decisions until they ask us to step in and help them out. It'll be the early 40's all over again!
*sigh*

Look at the history of WWII (not the Americanized version). The US didn't join the war until very late 1941, and troops didn't get to Europe until 1942 at the earliest. It was a matter of time before Nazi Germany would be defeated anyway. The US just sped up the process. You didn't save anyone in Europe, not in WWI nor WWII.
Of course it is, and no matter how many pansies sew Canadian flags to their duffel bags so they don't get hassled, that won't change.
I didn't know being virtuous was this easy. All I have to do is be born into a nation, and voila! I'm virtuous!

Hamilton has it's nice areas and bad areas, The mountain and suburban areas are pretty nice, but the Downtown core and Barton are bad. The downtown area really needs to be revitalized, there's too many homeless people, not enough parking and if your not from the area you'll get lost with all the one way streets...

I used to live in Mississauga, around Dundas and Winston Churchill...near Oakville and the 403
Are you guys getting hit by this horrendous snowstorm as well?

I know where that is! *is proud* I work pretty close to there - the Petro-Canada office on Lakeshore West. Mississauga is probably the biggest goddamn suburb I've ever seen...

Yeah, ever since Ireland did a better job of invading Canada, we don't want it anymore. :p

The IRISH? Ok we want it now. Americans just LOVE those quirky little accents.

The IRISH? Ok we want it now. Americans just LOVE those quirky little accents.Yup. Managed to capture a town or two before being kicked out and arrested by the Americans when they crossed back into the US.

The IRISH? Ok we want it now. Americans just LOVE those quirky little accents.

Ooooooooooooooooh nonono, you don't. No messin' with Irish accents, like.

Yup. Managed to capture a town or two before being kicked out and arrested by the Americans when they crossed back into the US.

:(

Hint: Quote button. Utilize it! :)

Otherwise, you look as though you're talking to yourself, and that's just silly.

Sante Croix doesn't need any tricks to be silly, I'd say. He would probably go far as a "fair & balanced" reporter for Fox News Network.

Look at the history of WWII (not the Americanized version). The US didn't join the war until very late 1941, and troops didn't get to Europe until 1942 at the earliest. It was a matter of time before Nazi Germany would be defeated anyway. The US just sped up the process. You didn't save anyone in Europe, not in WWI nor WWII.

I'm going to go ahead and respectfully decline the opportunity to join your hallucination there. You can't think that 1940's era Britain would have been able to fend off a Nazi empire with the wealth and capacity of Europe behind it by itself. Even if you completely ignore the Lend-lease agreements, which greatly benefitted Britain, American involvement was crucial in the Allied defeat of the Third Reich.

At best, Hitler would have struck some kind of 'we'll get to you later' deal that would have allowed him to focus his efforts on Russia, and then after he was done with Stalin, it would have been Albion's turn. At worst, Churchill's speech would have come true, and you would have been 'fighting them on the beaches, in the streets, from house to house.'

As far as Hurdegaryp's assertion that I would make a good addition to FoxNews goes, I can only say: thank you. They do tend to have the hottest newschicks, and the best news. Plus I'd be that much closer to meeting Ann Coulter, my dream woman.

I'm going to go ahead and respectfully decline the opportunity to join your hallucination there. You can't think that 1940's era Britain would have been able to fend off a Nazi empire with the wealth and capacity of Europe behind it by itself. Even if you completely ignore the Lend-lease agreements, which greatly benefitted Britain, American involvement was crucial in the Allied defeat of the Third Reich.


In the Allied defeat of the Third Reich? Totally.

In saving Britain? No. Britain could have saved itself as Hitler didn't really want to attack it.

As far as Hurdegaryp's assertion that I would make a good addition to FoxNews goes, I can only say: thank you. They do tend to have the hottest newschicks, and the best news. Plus I'd be that much closer to meeting Ann Coulter, my dream woman.Lies. There is no such thing as an American news channel. Ergo, Fox News has no news.

Are you guys getting hit by this horrendous snowstorm as well?

I know where that is! *is proud* I work pretty close to there - the Petro-Canada office on Lakeshore West. Mississauga is probably the biggest goddamn suburb I've ever seen...

Yep. Storms over now, and everyone at school was pissed that they didn't get a snow day...

Plus I'd be that much closer to meeting Ann Coulter, my dream woman.
I never thought I'd hear her name and the phrase "my dream woman" in the same sentence. You just made my day. Thank you.

Yup. Managed to capture a town or two before being kicked out and arrested by the Americans when they crossed back into the US.

You mean the Fenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_raids)?

All they did was conduct a few raids before getting their asses handed to them

Now, look what you all have done to poor Candian Cat.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/IckaPrick/canadian-cat.jpg

I never thought I'd hear her name and the phrase "my dream woman" in the same sentence. You just made my day. Thank you.How'd you miss New Mitanni's contribution to the Sexiest NSer thread? He bemoaned how none of the girls looked like her.

I'm pissed cuz I didn't get a snow day at all this whole winter. :mad:


*isn't really in school right now, but still!*

We got one in like February or January...

I'm going to go ahead and respectfully decline the opportunity to join your hallucination there. You can't think that 1940's era Britain would have been able to fend off a Nazi empire with the wealth and capacity of Europe behind it by itself. Even if you completely ignore the Lend-lease agreements, which greatly benefitted Britain, American involvement was crucial in the Allied defeat of the Third Reich.

At best, Hitler would have struck some kind of 'we'll get to you later' deal that would have allowed him to focus his efforts on Russia, and then after he was done with Stalin, it would have been Albion's turn. At worst, Churchill's speech would have come true, and you would have been 'fighting them on the beaches, in the streets, from house to house.'

As far as Hurdegaryp's assertion that I would make a good addition to FoxNews goes, I can only say: thank you. They do tend to have the hottest newschicks, and the best news. Plus I'd be that much closer to meeting Ann Coulter, my dream woman.

Total Bullshit.

Everywhere I talk to people about this they seem to think that Britain was down for the count and that Hitler basically decided to leave them alone, before the Brits were miraculously saved by the US.

This is totally untrue, the British empire was still a major world power during WW2 and Hitler never would have gotten past the RAF and Royal Navy.

However, this is off topic so if anyone wants to debate this they should start a new thread...

Yep. Storms over now, and everyone at school was pissed that they didn't get a snow day...
I'm pissed cuz I didn't get a snow day at all this whole winter. :mad:


*isn't really in school right now, but still!*

Hate you people. I remember that day. I was stuck at work even though there was nobody else here. The office was completely empty...and I was sitting in my giant cubicle (shared with 3 other people) with nothing to do.

I was...at home playing Xbox...:p

In the Allied defeat of the Third Reich? Totally.
In saving Britain? No. Britain could have saved itself as Hitler didn't really want to attack it.

Apparently reading doesgo faster if you don't sweat comprehension.

At the risk of repeating myself: 1940's era Britain would not have been able by itselfto withstand a Third Reich with the economic and demographic power of continental Europe behind it without American intervention, especially not once Hitler finished with Russia. The whole point behind the Luftwaffe's and Hitler's rockets hammering Britain was to soften Britain and to break the British spirit for an invasion. There were even two or three plans drawn up by Hitler's 'Joint Chiefs' for different methods of invasion. Given an absence of American intervention, Hitler wouldn't even have had to invade. He could have just blockaded the island and starved it into submission.

As for America not having news channels, just because our media organs are not wholly dominated by people who have not yet twigged onto the fact that Communism in particular and socialism in general is a discredited totalitarian ideology does not mean that they are not journalistic endeavors.

How'd you miss New Mitanni's contribution to the Sexiest NSer thread? He bemoaned how none of the girls looked like her.
Cuz I stopped paying attention to the thread after I pulled out? >.>

Maybe NSG is turning into Ann Coulter's fan club! :eek: :p
We got one in like February or January...
Hate you people. I remember that day. I was stuck at work even though there was nobody else here. The office was completely empty...and I was sitting in my giant cubicle (shared with 3 other people) with nothing to do.

I was...at home playing Xbox...:p
And that's why I hate you. kidding
Apparently reading doesgo faster if you don't sweat comprehension.
And apparently people do jump to conclusions when they're unwilling to listen to others' arguments.
At the risk of repeating myself:
You are at no risk, I assure you.
1940's era Britain would not have been able by itselfto withstand a Third Reich with the economic and demographic power of continental Europe behind it without American intervention, especially not once Hitler finished with Russia.
A couple of problems with you statement.
1) Britain wasn't by itself.
2) American intervention in the form of foreign aid programs was nothing but its attempt to make money off the war and pull itself out of a big screw-up called the Depression. The American people didn't give a rats' ass what was happening in Europe in a post-isolationism society.
3) What makes you think Hitler would lose in Russia? Even without western allies' intervention, Russia held its own against Hitler's army pretty well. (see: Stalingrad. before D-Day)
The whole point behind the Luftwaffe's and Hitler's rockets hammering Britain was to soften Britain and to break the British spirit for an invasion. There were even two or three plans drawn up by Hitler's 'Joint Chiefs' for different methods of invasion.
True, but ultimately, Britain won the fight for air superiority. Again, without American military assistance.
Given an absence of American intervention, Hitler wouldn't even have had to invade. He could have just blockaded the island and starved it into submission.
Germany didn't have the naval capabilities to do that. Even if they did, the British air forces would just sink the German ships from the sky. Your argument has no validity when Germany never had air superiority.
As for America not having news channels, just because our media organs are not wholly dominated by people who have not yet twigged onto the fact that Communism in particular and socialism in general is a discredited totalitarian ideology does not mean that they are not journalistic endeavors.
Nobody said they're not journalistic endeavours. How well those endeavours turn out is another story.


But, you know what? I'll give you some credit. You haven't insulted anyone for disagreeing with you for a few posts now. It's an achievement indeed.

Apparently reading doesgo faster if you don't sweat comprehension.

At the risk of repeating myself: 1940's era Britain would not have been able by itselfto withstand a Third Reich with the economic and demographic power of continental Europe behind it without American intervention, especially not once Hitler finished with Russia. The whole point behind the Luftwaffe's and Hitler's rockets hammering Britain was to soften Britain and to break the British spirit for an invasion. There were even two or three plans drawn up by Hitler's 'Joint Chiefs' for different methods of invasion. Given an absence of American intervention, Hitler wouldn't even have had to invade. He could have just blockaded the island and starved it into submission.

As for America not having news channels, just because our media organs are not wholly dominated by people who have not yet twigged onto the fact that Communism in particular and socialism in general is a discredited totalitarian ideology does not mean that they are not journalistic endeavors.

And that's why I hate you. kidding

And apparently people do jump to conclusions when they're unwilling to listen to others' arguments.

You are at no risk, I assure you.

A couple of problems with you statement.
1) Britain wasn't by itself.
2) American intervention in the form of foreign aid programs was nothing but its attempt to make money off the war and pull itself out of a big screw-up called the Depression. The American people didn't give a rats' ass what was happening in Europe in a post-isolationism society.
3) What makes you think Hitler would lose in Russia? Even without western allies' intervention, Russia held its own against Hitler's army pretty well. (see: Stalingrad. before D-Day)

True, but ultimately, Britain won the fight for air superiority. Again, without American military assistance.

Germany didn't have the naval capabilities to do that. Even if they did, the British air forces would just sink the German ships from the sky. Your argument has no validity when Germany never had air superiority.

Nobody said they're not journalistic endeavours. How well those endeavours turn out is another story.


But, you know what? I'll give you some credit. You haven't insulted anyone for disagreeing with you for a few posts now. It's an achievement indeed.


Holy Threadjack Batman!

Time to make a "could Hitler have taken Britain thread"

Apparently reading doesgo faster if you don't sweat comprehension.

At the risk of repeating myself: 1940's era Britain would not have been able by itselfto withstand a Third Reich with the economic and demographic power of continental Europe behind it without American intervention, especially not once Hitler finished with Russia. The whole point behind the Luftwaffe's and Hitler's rockets hammering Britain was to soften Britain and to break the British spirit for an invasion. There were even two or three plans drawn up by Hitler's 'Joint Chiefs' for different methods of invasion. Given an absence of American intervention, Hitler wouldn't even have had to invade. He could have just blockaded the island and starved it into submission.


Sure, if you're replying to someone who was arguing that Britain could have taken Germany. It's probably wise not to act superior about comprehension when you've entirely missed what I was saying.

Its because of communism. What a shame.:rolleyes:

I like to think of the U.S. as being sort of like the fictional city Ankh-Morpork.

Quoting Pratchett ftw.

3) What makes you think Hitler would lose in Russia? Even without western allies' intervention, Russia held its own against Hitler's army pretty well. (see: Stalingrad. before D-Day)

My Grade 12 History teacher once told us there's a theory that "D-Day" was nothing but an attempt by both Britain and the U.S. to "liberate" some land themselves, just so the Soviets didn't do all the work (as they probably could have, since Stalingrad swung World War II decisively in their direction from the Germans). Don't know how much I believe that (could the Soviets really have extended their forces all the way to the Atlantic?), but it is plausible.

Mississauga is probably the biggest goddamn suburb I've ever seen...

It's the sixth-largest city in Canada, actually...and no one knows where it is...sad, really. I used to live in Meadowvale myself (I also have a friend who lives there as well) and my ex lived in Lorne Park, so I was all over. I'm told Meadowvale isn't what it was like when I was last there (1993) but I still miss it- my childhood was there. However, if I had a choice I'd probably pick Port Credit, the nicest area of the Greater Toronto Area.

I was just pondering on that for quite a time. I like history but i couldn't really find what i was looking for. I'm from Poland so sorry for my lack of knowledge. I was thinking though, doesn't Canada and USA has more common things than things that differs one from the other? Doesn't Canada and USA have similar ideals, culture, language? If yes, shouldn't such countries live as one?

Simply curious what do the Americans and the Canadians think about that. :) Give me your opinions :)

No, I don't think that the Canadians have similar ideals or culture. From what I understand, their media is significantly different, their laws are different, their politics are different and Canada's crime rate is lower than the USA's.

The same can be said for New Zealand and Australia. Why don't you ask the Kiwis if they want to be Austrazealanders.

Our constitution actually allows for the inclusion of New Zealand as a state, they opted for their own federation.

But, you know what? I'll give you some credit. You haven't insulted anyone for disagreeing with you for a few posts now. It's an achievement indeed.

Damned with faint praise. Now I know what it's like to be a conservative who's being written about in the New York Times.

To wrench this discussion back onto it's original topic, I could see a union of America, Canada, and Mexico and it would more than likely take one of the following shapes:

A) Canada and Mexico cease to exist as sovereign nations and their constituent parts are folded into America as states belonging to a 'United States of North America.

B)Canada, Mexico and America form some sort of Confederacy or other loosely joined system, with the America being somewhat of a 'first among equals.'