NationStates Jolt Archive


Are Your Political Beliefs The Same As Your Family's Beliefs?

Amor Pulchritudo
03-03-2008, 11:11
My father = Votes right-wing (Liberal in Australia), anti-unions, has no problem with gay marriage, anti-Labor (current government), bases vote on economic history rather than the candidate's promises, gets his sources from mainstream media etc. Atheist.

My mother = Votes Liberal, anti-union, pro-American Democrats + Hilary clinton, thinks "left wing" is a dirty word, anti-Labor, bases vote on economic history, technically has some left-wing/centrist views, but votes for the right without thinking about it etc. Raised Catholic - believes somewhat in God.

My brother = Votes Liberal, anti-union, economically-minded, anti-saying sorry to the Aboriginals, anti-Centrelink (the dole and allowences etc), somewhat racist, strangely Right-wing but doesn't trust mainstream media etc. Atheist.

Me = Votes Labor (because it's as left as we'll get and Rudd's better than Howard), pro-Centrelink, no established opinion about unions, not concerned with economic histroy as much as I'm concerned about healthcare, education, rights and so forth etc. Agnostic, but sometimes leaning toward Atheism.

So, even though some of my beliefs have been influenced by my parents, I am very very different to them.

How about you?
Ifreann
03-03-2008, 11:18
I have no idea how my parents vote/think about teh politix, and my sister almost certainly doesn't care about it.
Extreme Ironing
03-03-2008, 11:25
I don't really know about my parents, they are both Catholic, I think my dad votes for the Conservatives and my mum for the Lib Dems (though she's been coming out with a few sensationalist 'teh immigrants!' comments recently, and worryingly). My brothers and myself are atheistic and rather socialist, no idea about my sister.

It may be a trend that with greater religiosity comes more right-wing thinking, but I think it depends more on the person and how they personally justify their views, be it religiously or not.
Andaras
03-03-2008, 11:29
As for current politics, I believe my parents are pretty apathetic, although I know last year both voted labor, as did my brother who has voting for the first time. Both seem to like Rudd when the news is on etc.
Eofaerwic
03-03-2008, 11:44
Hmm, both my parents voted (or more to the point voted, they actually can't anymore since they've been xpats for 20years) Lib Dem, which I do too, although we do have differing perspectives on a number of policies. My mother can be more centrist, my farther is more right-wing economically but diagrees profoundly with the overly-authoritarian nature of Labour whereas I'm significantly more left-wing.

Ironically on the religion front, although my Dad is a staunch atheist and has been for a long-time, I have actually influenced my mother's religious views by introducing her to more neo-pagan philosophies (from previously being agnostic).
Peepelonia
03-03-2008, 12:29
More or less.
Chandelier
03-03-2008, 12:36
My parents and I all vote Democrat but we all have different views on things. For example, my mom is more conservative. She is strongly opposed to abortion rights and strongly in favor of capital punishment. She also favors same-sex civil unions but opposes gay marriage. She also called our tv company and ranted at them for having a couple of channels in Spanish and told them that they should make those channels into channels that teach English instead.

My Dad is also in favor of capital punishment but not as strongly as my mother is. I think he is in favor of abortion rights and I'm not sure what his opinion of gay marriage is.

I'm against capital punishment, pro-choice, and for gay marriage.
Barringtonia
03-03-2008, 12:36
Hard to say, I suspect my parents both voted Conservative but then they lived in times when it was the smart thing to do. There were real differences of philosophy between parties back then, ideology was in greater contrast.

I really couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone to be honest but this has less to do with parties and, let's face it, there's not much difference between Conservatives and Labour these days.

It's more that I think economies, law and governance has become so convoluted that politics itself is simply not what it seems, that who I vote for has less and less relevance these days.
Rambhutan
03-03-2008, 12:40
No, mine are quite different from the rest of my family who are far more conservative than I am.
Neu Leonstein
03-03-2008, 12:55
Well, most of my family votes or used to vote for the German Greens, while I'm...well, you know what I am. I don't have the patience to get into debates with them though. I've got you guys for that.
[NS]Fergi America
03-03-2008, 13:29
I'm the only Republican of the bunch.

None of us agree with all the planks in our respective parties' platforms, though. I'm more socially liberal than the stereotypical Repub., while the rest of the family is more socially conservative than the Dem platform.

Economically, I'd say we pretty much go with the party: I'm a free-trader and like things to be privatized, while they're more protectionist. And they don't mind having our incompetent and wasteful government boobs taking care of things like Social Security--an idea I HATE. (I'd prefer a mandatory savings plan, with the money saved somewhere the Gov. can't get ahold of it.) I also don't want the government meddling around in health care. The gov. screws things up too much and the less they get their hot little hands on the better, as far as I'm concerned.
Call to power
03-03-2008, 13:39
judging by all the Lib Dem crap spewed about the house I'd say take a wild guess though my brother is probably BNP who votes Lib Dem because he will do what my mother tells him :p

I myself am Green and thus not affected by party politics that can't decide which trousers to wear

I'm against capital punishment, pro-choice, and for gay marriage.

Well, most of my family votes or used to vote for the German Greens, while I'm...well, you know what I am. I don't have the patience to get into debates with them though. I've got you guys for that.

bloody teenage rebels!
Nanatsu no Tsuki
03-03-2008, 13:45
Nope, actually, my political beliefs have caused me a lot of problems with my family. My family is divided between the PP and the PSOE parties. I am more proned to follow IU and Asturies Dixebrá, both leftists parties.
Laerod
03-03-2008, 13:49
I share similar political beliefs with the majority of the American (father's) side of my family, though ironically not with my father. I'm not sure if they're going to vote for Nader this election as I intend to, but my aunt was supportive of my decision and shares my misgivings about Obama, McCain, and Clinton. I'm slightly the odd one out on my German family, since my mother and siblings usually vote SPD (Social Democrats) while I vote Green.
Cameroi
03-03-2008, 13:56
both were democrats, both voted that way. moderately but not neo 'liberal'. when there once upon a time was such a thing. and it was actually considered more respectable then even what was called conservative then. let alone now. or at least they and i did.

my dad felt the need for there to be a conservative party though, and i'll never understand why, and that is what he said was why, he voted for nixxon's first term, but at least, not for his second.

my dad was more interested in the environment then in civil rights when the civil rights struggle and desegregation was the bit thing. i don't think he entirely understood at the time, how raw of a deal black people had been getting.

i was of course in school at the time, and the hippies were actually the mellower, more honest, and more honestly respectable then the so called streights, who were it seemed to me, a bunch of belligerent a-holes.

my mother also voted democrat but i don't think she really thought about or understood anything political very much.

i've carried, some of what they said, and in many ways made it more real to me then their saying it. i'm less concerned with looking moderate then with the kind of world real policies and real ways of life which create markets for real policies, create.

before my father died, and this was during bush one, he said his world was going/had gone, crazy.

my mom is still alive, she's almost 90. she voted 2000. i'm not sure if she voted in 2004, and i'm not sure if she'll vote in 2008.

i of course will. i vote not party, though i've yet to see anything worth a dam from the republicans, but vote public transportation, clean energy, and envirnoment. i also vote privace and protection of civil liberties. i would vote deregulation of the private life of the individual, but no one speaks on, nor has popularized that. i vote against 'privatization' and deregulating industry and economics at the disasterous price we have seen payed by the degree aleady this has been done, to real people, places and things.

i would not oppose a balanced and nonidiological 'socialism'. i would not and do not support the use of violence by any party to promote ANY idiological agenda.

i do support the witholding of support, by individuals, any nonconfontational and even to some degree nonviolent confrontational, way that they can, from the kinds of policies that create the kind of world, whatever their preferences might be, they would prefer to live in one other then.

and feel that right now a lot of doing so is sorely needed.

and i honor and salute anyone who is homeless or otherwise impovereshed, as thier primary means of doing so.

truly it is they, dispite the false jeers of lazyness, who are truly the most heroic and honerable members of any society.

=^^=
.../\...
Isidoor
03-03-2008, 14:04
No, my father votes center-right (christian democrats). My mother votes green. I vote green too, I agree with them on most topics but my actual beliefs are a little bit further left I think.
Neu Leonstein
03-03-2008, 14:06
bloody teenage rebels!
No, back in my teenage years I was more the Maoist type. Unfortunately my current stances have alltogether more meaningful reasons. In fact, in my family I am easily the one person who has spent the most time, effort and reflection on figuring them out - hence why I'm the only anti-government type.

Since governments exist to take away people's need to think and make decisions for one reason or another, any pro-government argument must necessarily begin with the basic premise that the avoidance of thought can be worthwhile. It stands to reason that people who hold this premise already and like to avoid thought and decisions will therefore ask for extensions of the state, whatever form it ends up taking, or more likely just support the status quo with its big leviathan.
Laerod
03-03-2008, 14:12
Since governments exist to take away people's need to think and make decisions for one reason or another, any pro-government argument must necessarily begin with the basic premise that the avoidance of thought can be worthwhile. It stands to reason that people who hold this premise already and like to avoid thought and decisions will therefore ask for extensions of the state, whatever form it ends up taking, or more likely just support the status quo with its big leviathan.No, it can start with the argument that people generally don't think, or better yet, don't think of more than themselves. Representative governments, on the other hand, primarily take away a people's need to make decisions.
Ruby City
03-03-2008, 14:14
I think all my relatives including the few with upper class sized salaries are worker class leftists, mainly because worker class solidarity is an important part of the culture out on the countryside up north.

Except mom who seems to have become a conservative after moving south to a big city where it's classy to be conservative while the worker class thing would give you away as a countryside yokel.

Both the class struggle and conservatism is too old fashioned and outdated for a young modern city person like myself so I'm leaning towards the greens instead.
Snoodelio
03-03-2008, 14:20
Old hat tory through and through. :) Needless to say, so are my parents.

HOWEVER that wasn't from their influence, I went through a radical marxism, planned economics, technocracy, anti-capitalist sort of mixture first, then started studying economics and become fiercely capitalist, then liberal, and finally a fan of Disreali and Peel. Not to mention Adam Smith, he kicks Marx's ass any day of the week ;)
Neu Leonstein
03-03-2008, 14:24
Representative governments, on the other hand, primarily take away a people's need to make decisions.
And if you think this can be a good thing, you've shown yourself to accept the premise I mentioned. What people do think, or whether they think at all, doesn't tell us nearly as much about your own approach to the topic as your prescribed solution.
Laerod
03-03-2008, 14:37
And if you think this can be a good thing, you've shown yourself to accept the premise I mentioned. Tautology. Therefore irrelevent. I might as well try to disprove God along with this statement.
What people do think, or whether they think at all, doesn't tell us nearly as much about your own approach to the topic as your prescribed solution.I've offered a solution? No, I was merely trying to point out that people generally don't behave according to the "rational economic agent" model, which appears to be a prerequisite for most anarcho-liberal social models.
Call to power
03-03-2008, 14:45
No, back in my teenage years I was more the Maoist type. Unfortunately my current stances have alltogether more meaningful reasons. In fact, in my family I am easily the one person who has spent the most time, effort and reflection on figuring them out - hence why I'm the only anti-government type.

pfft rebel without a cause! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts)

so your the only anti-government and your family is for a large government...well I'm giggling :p
Bottle
03-03-2008, 15:08
My father: Votes liberal. Social and economic left-winger. (The real left-wing, not the American "left wing" that is actually just a bit right of center.)

My mother: Votes liberal. Social and economic left-winger. (The real left-wing, not the American "left wing" that is actually just a bit right of center.)

My brother: Votes for extended curfews for 16 year old boys, increased Wii play time, and supports a minor's right to get a new bike every other birthday. Fiscal moderate.

Me: Have yet to have any opportunity to vote liberal since reaching the age of majority. Strongly considering moving to a country that has some form of liberal party or candidates to vote for. Supports extended curfews, increased Wii play time, and a minor's right to use hand-me-down bikes the same way his sister did dagnabbit.
Misesburg-Hayek
03-03-2008, 15:14
My family are life-long Democrats. I was kind of an odd mix of social democrat and Scoop Jackson Democrat (more butter, reduced nuclear defense posture, more assertive conventional defense posture, how do we pay for it, you ask? not my problem, said I) until the mid-1990s, when I began to question the rationale for the welfare state (two generations of evidence suggests that welfare makes things far worse; furthermore, the poor, like everyone else, are far more capable than the nanny state assumes they are).

So I flirted with the Libertarian party while voting twice for Clinton. I'd have jumped ship to vote Republican for President in 1996 if Jack Kemp had been top of the ticket instead of being Dole's running mate, but I still called myself a Democrat back then. Ultimately I decided nuh-uh to the LP, although I did vote for Harry Browne in 2000 because I evaluated Bush as an entitled Tory drone and Gore as somewhere between buffoon and poltroon (evidence suggests I am batting 1.000 there).

Meanwhile, I married, we had our first child, and I finally took a good econ class and discovered free market capitalism. At the same time, I happened to start reading about what was happening with the California "assault weapon" ban. Registration was about to lead to confiscation, and though I'm not in California it occurred to me that the NRA just might have been right about the slippery slope. A little more research into the Second Amendment and its history, and I am now an absolutist regarding the unfettered natural right to arms as the operationalization of the unalienable Lockean-Jeffersonian right to life.

Now I call myself a fusionist in the mold of Frank S. Meyer of the 20th Century, or Lord Acton of the 19th, and a federalist in the old American tradition. Political power should be devolved to the local level insofar as appropriate, and constrained by low taxes, strictly enumerated powers, and an active, aware, energetic citizenry sufficiently well armed to check criminals and would-be tyrants, and to support rapid expansion of the standing military to repel foreign invaders.
The Parkus Empire
03-03-2008, 16:34
My dad and mum are both Republicans. My dad was pulling for Mitt Romney, but since Mitt dropped out, he is sort of for Obama. My mum...I do not know. She is not very politically informed. After she told me she was for Huckabee; I shook my head for a while. "Not a good choice?" she asked. "No," I said. I forget who she is for now. She just wants to stop Hillary. By brother hates all the parties and is very conservative. He is presently for Wayne A. Root, as am I, though he would not vote. He just keeps saying: "One vote won't change anything." I, personally, am Libertarian.

When it comes to our stances on issues, I would say that none of us want a load of gun control; that is not to say that we do not want background checks and such.

None of us really care one way or the other about gay-marriage.

My mum is pro-life, I am leaning toward pro-choice. My brother and father do not care.

My mum is pro-Iraq War, the rest of us are not.

Over-all though, I am just too pessimistic to care about most of it.
Lunatic Goofballs
03-03-2008, 16:45
Not really. My mom is catholic and we differ in opinion on marriage and evolution.

My step father has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car. :(

I just smile and nod a lot when the conversation turns political. It's safer that way. :)
Dukeburyshire
03-03-2008, 17:22
My dad's a bit right wing, my mum's a British Liberal (left wing but fairly wimpy).

I'm a right wing-er but I also believe in Welfare, A basic level of living for all and a Cap on wealth unless earnt by hard work. I'm against Inheritance penalties.
Knights of Liberty
03-03-2008, 17:22
Buwhahahahaha!



No.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
03-03-2008, 17:29
Not even close. My dad is a yellow-dog Republican conservative accountant who has actually voted for a dead man on the Republican ticket. My mom is more moderate; though she has no problem with gay marriage, she's likely to vote conservative on other issues and is one of the few people i know who truly votes on the issues.

According to my mom, I'm a college Democrat (I don't have any money, so why not give it to other people). Really, though, I am liberal (not just due to my age) and much more so than the rest of my family.
Mad hatters in jeans
03-03-2008, 18:23
My father = Votes right-wing (Liberal in Australia), anti-unions, has no problem with gay marriage, anti-Labor (current government), bases vote on economic history rather than the candidate's promises, gets his sources from mainstream media etc. Atheist.

My mother = Votes Liberal, anti-union, pro-American Democrats + Hilary clinton, thinks "left wing" is a dirty word, anti-Labor, bases vote on economic history, technically has some left-wing/centrist views, but votes for the right without thinking about it etc. Raised Catholic - believes somewhat in God.

My brother = Votes Liberal, anti-union, economically-minded, anti-saying sorry to the Aboriginals, anti-Centrelink (the dole and allowences etc), somewhat racist, strangely Right-wing but doesn't trust mainstream media etc. Atheist.

Me = Votes Labor (because it's as left as we'll get and Rudd's better than Howard), pro-Centrelink, no established opinion about unions, not concerned with economic histroy as much as I'm concerned about healthcare, education, rights and so forth etc. Agnostic, but sometimes leaning toward Atheism.

So, even though some of my beliefs have been influenced by my parents, I am very very different to them.

How about you?

mur, let me think about this.
My parents don't tell me who they vote for (purely for privacy reasons, and they didn't want to impose their views on me), but i'm guessing they vote either Labour or Liberal Democrat, just anything to stop Conservatives taking power although they didn't speak about it much, they generally argued more about money issues.
Me? that's for me to know, but you can probably work it out from my posts if you felt so inclined.
Wilgrove
03-03-2008, 18:31
I'm a Libertarian, my Dad is a Moderate Democrat and my mom is a moderate Republican. I don't think my brother, his wife and my nephew has any political stance.
Maraque
03-03-2008, 18:32
I would describe my mother as a hardcore liberal, and my father is a moderate. My brother and sister are pretty liberal, and so am I.
Annika Kerry
03-03-2008, 18:53
My Mom and Dad vote conservative but i dont because i dont think David Cameron will actually live up what he says. I dont like Labour, Gordon Brown is just not my cup of tea. umm.. i suppose i support Liberal Democrats then.
Daistallia 2104
03-03-2008, 19:47
I'm the closest thing my family has to a black sheep bomb throwing radical in the family. ;)

My parents are pretty much standard centerist US progressive liberals. My brother and his wife are more lefty. All tend vote Dem.

I'm the one who's tended to vote GOP and ranges more towards the LP, although I've taken a turn to the left of late....

Oddly enough, we're all behind the same presidential candidate this go round.
Privatised Gaols
03-03-2008, 20:51
No one in my family has views anywhere close to mine. I'm an anarcho-capitalist, and my mom is a centrist pragmatist who evaluates its issue on its own merits, has little regard for either party, and usually votes for "the lesser of two evils." My grandma's basically the same. An uncle is a staunch Republican. My mom's cousin is a staunch Democrat, and her (my mom's cousin) husband is borderline socialist. Everyone else in the family, I don't know about, and my brother (thirteen years old) is too young to give a crap about politics. As for my dad, I haven't seen or heard from him or had any contact with him since late March 1996, so I have no idea, nor do I care.
New Manvir
03-03-2008, 21:29
I vote a bit more left wing than my parents, I have no clue about my sister...
The Loyal Opposition
03-03-2008, 22:24
Since governments exist to take away people's need to think and make decisions for one reason or another...


What do Dr. Phil, Britney Spears, Madison Avenue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Avenue#Advertising_industry) and "Professional" sports have to do with government?


...any pro-government argument must necessarily begin with the basic premise that the avoidance of thought can be worthwhile.


Ah, the "Yeah, well, you're a stupid head!" argument :p
Soheran
03-03-2008, 22:41
Both my parents are leftists, though neither is anywhere close to as radical as me... though my mother may be getting there.

My brother is a libertarian, but I'm not sure how strong of one he is... certainly not of the dogmatic natural-rights Austrian sort, but nevertheless rather radical in his defense of markets.
I V Stalin
03-03-2008, 22:56
My parents, if they vote, would vote Conservative, I imagine. What with them being Daily-Mail-reading-middle-class-two-car-paid-to-put-kids-through-university-types. My dad is closer to the centre than my mum. As far as I'm aware, they are both fairly apathetic about religion.

I am similarly apathetic about religion, though if pushed will say I'm agnostic. I am considerably left of centre and in the last two elections have voted Liberal, Green, Socialist in the local council election (three seats in the ward I live in) and Lib Dem in the general election (because the incumbent actually seemed to care about people my age (around 20)...either that or he realised that with around 15,000 students living in the area he could make a killing on our vote).
Hydesland
03-03-2008, 22:59
Father: Classic British right wing
Mother: Probably center right
Brother 1: Very liberal
Brother 2: Liberal revisionist Christian, not really sure
Sister: No idea

A bit of a mix really.
Conserative Morality
04-03-2008, 02:31
NO! Not at all.

Mother: Die-hard Christian Statist.
Grandfather(Mother): Definite Democrat.
Grandmother(Mother): Centrist, Slightly Liberal.
Grandfather(Father): Democrat.
Grandmother(Father): Democrat.
Me: Libertarian all the way:D
Acta Sanctorum
04-03-2008, 03:52
My mom:moderate democrat, Hilary Clinton supporter, pro gay rights, pro capital punishment, pro abortion, anti war

My dad: moderate republican, John Mccain supporter, anti gay rights, pro gun control, pro capital punishment, anti abortion, pro war

Me:moderate republican, pro gay rights, pro capital punishment, anti abortion, anti war, pro gun control
Soviestan
04-03-2008, 04:02
Sweet Jesus no.
Tmutarakhan
04-03-2008, 04:08
Me? that's for me to know, but you can probably work it out from my posts if you felt so inclined.
Monster Raving Loony Party?
Sagittarya
04-03-2008, 04:10
Nope. My parents are both moderate Republicans. Anti-gun control, pro-Iraq war, anti-welfare spending, but they're neutral on gay mairrage and pro-choice.

I'm essentially a leftist. Too bad my parents still don't understand that Democrats are nowhere even close to being "left". I really tried to explain world politics and American-centrism, but they usually are just like "whatever" and turn on Everybody Loves Raymond.
Zayun2
04-03-2008, 04:23
Essentially we are all liberals (in the American spectrum at least), though I think I am the most liberal. I also did manage to influence my parents some (this election season at least), they weren't exactly sure before the primaries (between Clinton and Obama), and I pushed them for Obama.
Veblenia
04-03-2008, 04:29
I'm quite to the left of most of my family...except my sister, who is a Syndicalist.
Sel Appa
04-03-2008, 05:03
You're damn liberal party throws me off.

My dad is a staunch, solid Democrat. My mom is a Democrat. I am or plan to be an independent that leans Democrat.
Mad hatters in jeans
04-03-2008, 16:58
Monster Raving Loony Party?

are they still around?
not them, but it's tempting.
Ancient Borea
04-03-2008, 17:13
Socialism is bullshit, kthx.

And, uh, me and my family agree for them most part.
The Black Backslash
04-03-2008, 17:16
Me: Socialist
My Mom: Newly Socialist
My Dad: Apolitical
My Mom's Parents: Democrat
Everyone Else in my family: Right-wing nutjobs (of the Falwell / Robertson / Reagan / Bush variety)
Perdolev
04-03-2008, 17:19
Mam: Centre left, switches between labour, plaid cymru and independent.
Dad: No idea, I think he's roughly centrist, but I don't think he'd vote for anyone but labour in this area.
Stepdad: Centre right, votes Labour, I don't think he realises that labour's a middle class party by now.
Sister: Centre left, but I don't think she'd vote for a major party.
Me: Lefty, verging on democratic bolshevism (if that's possible), I'd vote for Labour if it became left-wing again but for my first vote I'll probably vote Plaid or independent (lab's prospects aren't good).
My family are fairly liberal though, and didn't really try to influence ecxept with:don't ever vote for the tories. I'd say that our leanigs are more those we developed ourselves.
Dyakovo
05-03-2008, 01:11
Are Your Political Beliefs The Same As Your Family's Beliefs?

Nope, my father only votes republican, and only believes information that has been oked by republicans, hell even even bitches about Fox's 'left-wing bias'.
Llewdor
05-03-2008, 01:25
Yes, though they're no longer where they started out.

My family was a traditional right-wing family - religion good, taxes bad - when I was growing up, but I could never see the upside of religion.

Eventually, my parents came around to my way of thinking, so now we agree again.
Issoria
05-03-2008, 01:47
My family is Catholic...And we're all Republicans. I think most of us support McCain. Me and my brother did support Giuliani, but he's not in the running anymore. My Mother first voted for Giuliani in the primary and my father voted for McCain. My other brother first liked Mike Huckabee..But now we all support John McCain :D

Oh and we're from the only right-wing state in New England, which is New Hampshire. But, most of us now live in Florida.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
05-03-2008, 01:48
My family is Catholic...And we're all Republicans. I think most of us support McCain. Me and my brother did support Giuliani, but he's not in the running anymore. My Mother first voted for Giuliani in the primary and my father voted for McCain. My other brother first liked Mike Huckabee..But now we all support John McCain :D

RONALD REAGAN WAS THE DEVIL!!!:D
Issoria
05-03-2008, 01:50
lol, I hope you're joking, I think you are. They should add Ronald Reagan to Mount Rushmore.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
05-03-2008, 01:52
lol, I hope you're joking, I think you are. They should add Ronald Reagan to Mount Rushmore.

Me, joking? Nevah!:D
Nah, I was.
Llewdor
05-03-2008, 02:02
RONALD REAGAN WAS THE DEVIL!!!:D
The United States has has three good Presidents since 1960. John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton.

Everyone else has been shit.
Pure Metal
05-03-2008, 02:06
my parents and i are pretty much the same regarding religion, ethics and political standing, though i'm a little more left than them on the latter.

its interesting because (obviously) i was raised that way, went to university to study economics and politics, challenged my views extensively, but ended up vehemently supporting the views i'd been raised with in the first place. heh.
Infinite Revolution
05-03-2008, 02:11
i seem to have followed a trend from my fathers side of becoming progressively more left-wing. his father was an ardent tory, he used to vote social democrats (or equivalent) when he was still a UK resident, and i pretty much vote socialist, although lately the scottish socialists are a shambles and i even managed to bring myself to vote SNP for one seat in the latest election despite being thoroughly anti-nationalist. i just liked their stance on decentralisation. my other votes went to the SSP and Greens i think. or maybe LibDems instead of SSP, i can't remember. fucking confusing election that one.

my mother is a recovering conservative imperialist. my sister has pretty much identical opinions to my dad.
Boonytopia
05-03-2008, 09:38
Pretty much. My parents are/were left wing & I'm even more so.
Cabra West
05-03-2008, 11:15
Well, most of my family votes or used to vote for the German Greens, while I'm...well, you know what I am. I don't have the patience to get into debates with them though. I've got you guys for that.

Well, my father is an idiot that I haven't spoken with in well over a decade now, so I can't really tell you what his politics are.

My mom is an interesting mix : pacifist, very concerend about environmental issues, pro-welfare (on a case to case basis. She's very pro her-single-mom-friend-who-can't-get-a-job-in-this-town-but-could-if-she-moved getting welfare, but very much against her idea of lazy-ass-uneducated-oaf-trying-to-get-out-of-working-and-living-off-other-people getting any), she's anti-union, anti-tax, anti-abortion (which is why she never really voted for the Greens), pro-gay marriage, anti-car (usually a touchy issue in German politics), pro- social state (free health care, free education, the whole lot)...

In short, I think my mom's politics get decided by her guts rather than her brains. They're not very well thought-out or balanced.

Me, I'm pro choice, pro small unions, pro environment, pacifist, pro welfare, pro tax, pro gay marriage and pro social state.
I'm all for allowing people to do as they please as long as they don't harm others, and I'm all for the community providing good sevices for all members.
Maineiacs
05-03-2008, 11:22
My parents are moderately Right-wing (by U.S. standards), both anti-union, not really concerned (so far as I know) with gay marriage or abortion rights (I think they support both, but I don't really know since we're no longer in contact). Neither is very religious; I don't think my father cares about it at all, my mother has a lot of New Age beliefs. My brother is, for lack of a better term, a neocon. Very Right-wing (even by U.S. standards), thinks everyone who disagrees with him on anything is a commie. No idea what his current views on religion are. Me: very Left-wing (even by non-U.S. standards). Pro-union, pro-national healthcare, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion rihgts (I don't have the right to tell any woman what to do with her body). Religiously, I'm a recent convert to Taoism.
Imperial isa
05-03-2008, 11:33
don't know,don't care as i don't care about it
Saxnot
05-03-2008, 11:43
Parents - Catholic Conservative
Me - Wishy-washy-new-age Trotskyist
Tech-gnosis
05-03-2008, 11:57
My family and I are all center-left on the European spectrum. My twin sister borders on being a socialist. I'm the only one who likes free trade. My mom wishes there were fewer immigrants coming to America which my sister and I find hypocritical given her parents weren't natural born citizens.
Amor Pulchritudo
05-03-2008, 13:08
lol, I hope you're joking, I think you are. They should add Ronald Reagan to Mount Rushmore.

I've never been so tempted to use the gun smiley.