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Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

As the first person I'd have to report for that would be myself, No :P

I'm not gonna report people for breaking a stupid law. But if they were doing something I saw as wrong (like, I dunno, attacking people or something) then I'd report them!

I have my own personal beliefs on recreational drug use. However, I will not impose m view on others, unless they are directly harming someone with their actions. That said, if I can smell the smoke, I would probably ask that he keep the smoke inside, both for the sake of those who do not wish to be affected, as well as for his own to not get caught by the fuzz.

No, it's their own home, they should be able to do whatever the Hell they want to do.

I pressed yes accidentally, I wish jolt had a way to remove your vote. :(

I pressed yes accidentally, I wish jolt had a way to remove your vote. :(

NARC! Nah, I'm just kidding. :p

I might, depending on how bored I was.

I don't own a cellphone though, so the opportunity wouldn't be there to begin with, odds are.

The police would laugh at me.

This. (I don't live in Holland, but in San Francisco. They got better things to worry about.)

And we probably got it from the same guy, so that would be stupid.

Man I miss weed, work needs to pick the fuck up so I can buy some more...

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

Not hypotethically, some guys use to group on the street in front of my home and smoke marijuana. I never called the police, and I'm not going to.

Actually I feel more tempted to call the cops when some other youngsters use the street as a dancing club, playing loud music from their cars' stereo at midnight. I HATE THEM.

The police would laugh at me.

I'm from the netherlands, so it's legal to hang out of your window while tokin up.

Funny story:
My American girlfriend (now ex-gf) was over last summer, we'd been strolling through the city seeing the sights for most of the afternoon. I'd bought some weed (you lot should have seen her face when we walked past a coffeshop with Neon weed-advertising), i'd rolled up a dooby and we wuz smoking it on a park bench in the sun. About halfway through 2 cops walked past, my gf went white and tried to pretend she wasn't with me (i was holding the joint at the time), the cops greeted us friendly and walked past while i was smoking. The look on her face was utterly priceless.

I wouldn't report any crime that wasn't either theft or clearly endangering another person.

I still had to vote no in the poll though, because I just don't see how someone smoking pot could endanger anyone else.

If I didn't like the person in question, yes. Or if there was some cash incentive to do so. Otherwise no

Pulchritudo, do you know what happens to rats?;)

I'm from the netherlands, so it's legal to hang out of your window while tokin up.

Funny story:
My American girlfriend (now ex-gf) was over last summer, we'd been strolling through the city seeing the sights for most of the afternoon. I'd bought some weed (you lot should have seen her face when we walked past a coffeshop with Neon weed-advertising), i'd rolled up a dooby and we wuz smoking it on a park bench in the sun. About halfway through 2 cops walked past, my gf went white and tried to pretend she wasn't with me (i was holding the joint at the time), the cops greeted us friendly and walked past while i was smoking. The look on her face was utterly priceless.

I'm so jealous.

Pulchritudo, do you know what happens to rats?;)

What?

considering i used to be a stoner and feel that prohibition of marijuana is an unjust law, no i would not.

if it were a guy dealing to kids, i might well do...



edit: i have many a happy (and hazy) memory of days in holland :P

I probably wouldn't.

What?

They get off the sinking ship before everyone else.

I've got a problem with the enforcement and jailing of people who are doing nothing worse than what Budweiser desperately needs American beer drinkers to do every day. As such, much as I would have no problem with a neighbor having a beer or six with friends, I'd have no issue if I smelled the ganj lighting up next door. Only time I'd activate the fuzz is if they're too loud too late or behaving in some other obnoxious, destructive and/or dangerous manner.

We need to be a nation that watches out for each other, but not to the point of hall monitoring.

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.

Dude, how about you loosen up mein fuhrer.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous.
Really? Because there are a lot of dangerous things that are perfectly legal. You know, like guns. Or alcohol.
merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?
How do you know that of someone you pass in the street?

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.

'This is how the country is, was and always will be. Deal with it or GTFO.'
God forbid one try to :eek: change the country one lives in.

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there.

A lot of things are dangerous, like alcohol or forgetting to take the lint out of the dryer filter. Should we make that illegal too?

How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?

You don't, but it's kind of neurotic to assume that everyone smoking pot would be doing that.

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

I'm pretty sure anal, oral and homosexuality are illegal in some places in the US as well. Should all of the guys who like head move states?

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

But we're not talking about getting pulled over by the cops: we're talking about people dobbing others in.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.

By my ticket.

Deal with it, or move to another thread.

First off, there are restrictions on the consumption of alcohol, and the using of guns, as well as the smoking of marijuana... pwned.
First, no. Second, what about caffiene? Or high fat foods? I can kill myself with Big Macs and Red Bulls, but not weed.

I never said that someone walking in the street isn't being dangerous... but they aren't doing anything (knowably) illegal either... argument fails.
More so than the argument that one can reasonably assume that if someone is breaking one law, they may well be breaking other more serious ones?

I'm all for progressive change... I just happen to support anti-drug laws.

Ah, well then it's OK to tell people to leave the country if they don't agree with you. :rolleyes:

Really? Because there are a lot of dangerous things that are perfectly legal. You know, like guns. Or alcohol.

How do you know that of someone you pass in the street?

First off, there are restrictions on the consumption of alcohol, and the using of guns, as well as the smoking of marijuana... pwned.

I never said that someone walking in the street isn't being dangerous... but they aren't doing anything (knowably) illegal either... argument fails.

'This is how the country is, was and always will be. Deal with it or GTFO.'
God forbid one try to :eek: change the country one lives in.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for progressive change... I just happen to support anti-drug laws.

Alcohol does have instances of illegality.



I never said I automatically assume all potheads do only that when smoking.



Yes.



They're still doing something illegal, as in the case of the speeder, they're still getting caught.



Umm... deal with what? Buying you a ticket so that you can do something elswhere that is illegal here? I'm sorry, but I don't follow the train wreck that is your attempt at logic.

You know that laws aren't infallible creations right? They are made to reflect current social realities, and if they don't society will make a complete mockery of them.

I tend to respect the law, thats why.

(this isn't meant as a judgemental, 'holier-than-thou' post... just answering the question)
You know at the end of the year right you aren't going to get a nice big present from the government saying 'This is to the good law-abiding citizen!'?

That doesn't address the issue... it's legal in the netherlands, I disagree with their law... but what do I do? I don't live there... in the meantime, I will report illegal substance abuse in a country where it is indeed legal.



Marijuana is illegal, thats why I'd 'snitch' if people don't want to deal with the American consequences, they can go somewhere else, I doubt drug legislation will change to suit their demands anytime soon since America is only decreasing it's recreational drug-use laws (such as smoking bans, and tobacco taxes).
You little fascist, I wouldn't be afraid to 'snitch' you to an AFA.

A lot of things are dangerous, like alcohol or forgetting to take the lint out of the dryer filter. Should we make that illegal too?

Alcohol does have instances of illegality.

You don't, but it's kind of neurotic to assume that everyone smoking pot would be doing that.

I never said I automatically assume all potheads do only that when smoking.

I'm pretty sure anal, oral and homosexuality are illegal in some places in the US as well. Should all of the guys who like head move states?

Yes.

But we're not talking about getting pulled over by the cops: we're talking about people dobbing others in.

They're still doing something illegal, as in the case of the speeder, they're still getting caught.

By my ticket.

Deal with it, or move to another thread.

Umm... deal with what? Buying you a ticket so that you can do something elswhere that is illegal here? I'm sorry, but I don't follow the train wreck that is your attempt at logic.

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.

Because only The Netherlands has the special additive in their tap water that makes their citizens, and their citizens ALONE responsible enough to handle legalization? Shit fire and save matches, pal.

How can you know ANYone isn't doing ANYthing dangerous, regardless of the level of intoxication involved and the substance involved? Seriously, if it isn't bothering you, where's your need for police action? I mean, aside from your deep-seated Germanic law-and-order-ness? Teutonic Nightmare is more like it, if the snitch-state is what you'd rather live in.

Dude, how about you loosen up mein fuhrer.

I tend to respect the law, thats why.

(this isn't meant as a judgemental, 'holier-than-thou' post... just answering the question)

AFA? I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the acronym, and I'm not gonna look it up at the moment.

EDIT: I'm also 6'2"... whatever else cna be said, 'little' is hardly a supporting adjective I would choose....

Sorry mate, but I have little love for state-informers, I see it as the height of moral cowardice.

Alcohol does have instances of illegality.


So why can't marijuana have the same instances and be regulated in a similar manner? Is it really that hard to understand that there are tens of thousands of prison inmates serving time for doing something no different that a combination of smoking and drinking -- both of which are legal and regulated?

Because only The Netherlands has the special additive in their tap water that makes their citizens, and their citizens ALONE responsible enough to handle legalization? Shit fire and save matches, pal.

That doesn't address the issue... it's legal in the netherlands, I disagree with their law... but what do I do? I don't live there... in the meantime, I will report illegal substance abuse in a country where it is indeed legal.

How can you know ANYone isn't doing ANYthing dangerous, regardless of the level of intoxication involved and the substance involved? Seriously, if it isn't bothering you, where's your need for police action? I mean, aside from your deep-seated Germanic law-and-order-ness? Teutonic Nightmare is more like it, if the snitch-state is what you'd rather live in.

Marijuana is illegal, thats why I'd 'snitch' if people don't want to deal with the American consequences, they can go somewhere else, I doubt drug legislation will change to suit their demands anytime soon since America is only decreasing it's recreational drug-use laws (such as smoking bans, and tobacco taxes).

So why can't marijuana have the same instances and be regulated in a similar manner? Is it really that hard to understand that there are tens of thousands of prison inmates serving time for doing something no different that a combination of smoking and drinking -- both of which are legal and regulated?

Don't talk to me about that, thats not the law as it is.

I never said I agree with the somewhat freestanding support of alcohol that America has, but if it's not illegal, I can't disagree with it from a criminal standpoint.

You little fascist, I wouldn't be afraid to 'snitch' you to an AFA.

AFA? I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the acronym, and I'm not gonna look it up at the moment.

EDIT: I'm also 6'2"... whatever else cna be said, 'little' is hardly a supporting adjective I would choose....

That doesn't address the issue... it's legal in the netherlands, I disagree with their law... but what do I do? I don't live there... in the meantime, I will report illegal substance abuse in a country where it is indeed legal.



Marijuana is illegal, thats why I'd 'snitch' if people don't want to deal with the American consequences, they can go somewhere else, I doubt drug legislation will change to suit their demands anytime soon since America is only decreasing it's recreational drug-use laws (such as smoking bans, and tobacco taxes).

So you're a "letter of the law" rather than a "spirit of the law" kind of guy. Fair enough.

Ah, well then it's OK to tell people to leave the country if they don't agree with you. :rolleyes:

No, I'm all for the right of disagreement... if they don't want to be subject to the laws, then they should move.

Alright,m because it's a three-on-one 'flame the minority' I can't quite keep up, sorry if I don't repsond to everything you guys throw at me.

Sorry mate, but I have little love for state-informers, I see it as the height of moral cowardice.

? Still don't know what the AFA is....

EDIT: I never asked you to love me... not did I ask for your moral judgement of me based on one opinion. Oh well, I didn't judge you, and that validates me jsut fine.

You know that laws aren't infallible creations right? They are made to reflect current social realities, and if they don't society will make a complete mockery of them.

Agreed.

Don't talk to me about that, thats not the law as it is.

I never said I agree with the somewhat freestanding support of alcohol that America has, but if it's not illegal, I can't disagree with it from a criminal standpoint.

Why can't I talk to you about the insanity of jailing people for something absolutely similar to what is legal in my country? Something made illegal in the 20s/30s through false claims and propaganda (Reefer Madness, and the like) intended to sway the public into passing criminalization laws.

I've got no problem with you being a legal literalist, but you can't shut out a vital component of the opposing argument just because you're uncomfortable with the reality it presents.

In the words of Bill Hicks:

"My life is much better now that I've stopped doing drugs. But my life would have been INFINITELY worse had I ever been sent to prison for doing them."

Prison (as it is is here and now) doesn't help much of anyone, and it certainly doesn't help someone who is an addict, if that's what they are. The Puritanical nature and demonization of drug use (by the same people who are supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner) is the major problem with US drug policy.

If you can't handle alcohol and you become an addict, you might get 30 days for a DUI or something along those lines, but there are organizations designed to help you defeat that problem. Isn't it odd that we criminalize drugs and yet fund drug treatment centers, but alcohol is legal? If drugs are against the law, why fund drug treatment centers? Why not send all of them to jail? Well, we do. Most drug rehab centers are for those who have a problem but haven't yet been caught. I'm surprised then, that you don't advocate putting narcotics agents undercover at Narcotics Anonymous meetings and arrest all those who attend. The law IS the law, and if you go to NA, you MUST have broken the law, right?

How do we not sprain some facial muscles when talking out of both sides of our mouths like that?

Alright,m because it's a three-on-one 'flame the minority' I can't quite keep up, sorry if I don't repsond to everything you guys throw at me.

I'm sure you know where moderation is if you think you're being flamed.

No, I'm all for the right of disagreement... if they don't want to be subject to the laws, then they should move.

Uh...no. They should feel the freedom to lobby for those laws to be changed, shouldn't they? If they can win enough support, those laws might be changed, and then it's you who'll have to adjust. Better that than the tired old trope of "love it or leave it".

Alright,m because it's a three-on-one 'flame the minority' I can't quite keep up, sorry if I don't repsond to everything you guys throw at me.

Oh please. If you can't take the flak, don't fly the argument. I've been ganged up on more times than Heidi Fleiss, I've never complained about it.

People who grass on other people to any person of authority is pretty lame, to say nothing of people who tell tales to the police. Unless they're deliberately trying to set you on fire with their joint, leave them be.

Sameway drinking alcohol can endanger someone else.

I also wouldn't be comfortable with someone smoking pot in the presence of children.

Oh yeah... sure you wouldn't;)

I still had to vote no in the poll though, because I just don't see how someone smoking pot could endanger anyone else.

Sameway drinking alcohol can endanger someone else.

I also wouldn't be comfortable with someone smoking pot in the presence of children.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I would let it be, since it's legal here :p

Because only The Netherlands has the special additive in their tap water that makes their citizens, and their citizens ALONE responsible enough to handle legalization? Shit fire and save matches, pal.

It's not the tap water, it was divine intervention:
And as a finishing touch, God created the Dutch

But don't tell anyone this, or else they want to become dutch too :p

Oh yeah... sure you wouldn't;)

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Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

In that situation, naaaa.

No. Unless it was my sister, whom I am in a state of Eternal War with.

why should I care?

"oh noez my neighbors are going to be all chilled out!" :p

Nah, getting someone in trouble for a victimless crime isn't nice. I would never use recreational drugs but it's none of my business if others do it. Plus it'd be a waste of the cops' precious time that they could use to investigate real crimes.

Well it's only victimless if they don't get lung cancer from tobacco, drive drunk and crash, get schizophrenia (http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html) from using weed, take an overdose of something or otherwise end up using tax funded healthcare but I hope this person in the window is responsible and careful enough to avoid that.

but I hope this person in the window is responsible and careful enough to avoid that.

well they are smoking out of a window :p

i don't tell anyone anything about anyone i'm not asked. unless it is actually causing someone else's real suffering. disturbing the peace does. smoking pot does not.

banning the possession of anything is backward headed and assinign.
especially something less harmful then many things that are lawful.

if the majority of a populas wants to ban the manufacture, sale, and/or wholesale importation of whatever it does, that's fine, but banning the mere possession of anything is nuts.

it has certainly proved the foot in the door for policies that have since destroyed any pretense of the freedom america once so proudly paid lip service to.

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No, I wouldn't tell the police. I would tell them if I see something really bad happen, like a person getting attacked or something similar, but pot shouldn't even be a crime.

I agree with Der Teutoniker.

The law is there to be obeyed and observed, it's that simple. The only real justification for any deviance is if there is no proper mechanism for having laws we don't like debated, questioned and ultimately changed.

If there is something about a nation you don't like, and by 'nation' I mean the state and it's popular support, then you can either move out or put up. That's why we have freedom of movement, freedom of speech - democracy is there to legitimise debate, discussion and tolerance whilst simultaneously upholding order and stability.

I have no personal stance on drug use/abuse, it's really not my problem. But even if I did, I wouldn't let it interfere with upholding of the law.

if the majority of a populas wants to ban the manufacture, sale, and/or wholesale importation of whatever it does, that's fine, but banning the mere possession of anything is nuts.


I think it's better to legalize possession and homegrown pot and make government-controlled larger plantations and sales-points.
In the Netherlands for instance it's allowed to sell pot in certain places but it's illegal to grow it I believe, and they strictly enforce this. Therefore most plantations are held in Belgium which has less stringent control and the harvest is sold at the back-door of the coffeeshops (illegally). So legalizing possession but criminalizing manufacture would only shift the problem to another location and create new problems.
The best solution would be to have government-run plantations and sales points together with legal possession and small manufacturing (for own use) of almost all drugs. That way the quality could be ensured (no stuff you don't know of in your drugs are always a plus), the government could make extra money and it could be ensured that there isn't an export to other countries.


(and banning the possession of anything isn't nuts, child porn for instance, or atomic weapons etc)

I voted no, but for the sake of precision...

Car window or home window?

Home window I would not care, Car window...

I would say something along the lines of "Put that down, you wacko!", and then I would drive away from that car as fast as possible. But even then, I wouldn't go to the police.

(and banning the possession of anything isn't nuts, child porn for instance, or atomic weapons etc)

wrongo on that part of it. though i pretty much agree with the rest of the post. but because people have been conned into making a hot button issue out of something does NOT make banning its possession any less nuts at all.

everyone has a perfect right to possess ONE nuclear tipped cruze missle and launch system, provided of course they are able to make one themselves in thier own home workshop, because after all, those are among the kinds of things i would support banning the mass production of. (along with conventional firearms)

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I'd only report them if they were endangering others. After all, that's assault. If it's only themselves they're affecting than it's their death their choice.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

I might report it if the smoker was under-age, other than that I would let him/her be.

No I wouldnt because I dont believe in imposing my morality on others unless their morality is harming other people.

No i'm tired of the amount of influence the state has in my decisions, i think it's perfectly okay for folks to smoke what they want as long as it isn't in my face.
As for a serious crime, well i would report it (e.g. assault) but i wouldn't get involved i'm not superman i don't wear my pants on the outside and i don't wear a billowing cape, it's not my job to deal with crime, it's for the police i pay for to do that.

It's not the tap water, it was divine intervention:


But don't tell anyone this, or else they want to become dutch too :p

No argument here.

why should I care?

"oh noez my neighbors are going to be all chilled out!" :p

I know! You might have to deal with Rush or Pink Floyd being played too loud for a bit, but they're not going to get into any trouble, and there certainly won't be any violence -- at least nothing that involves exertion.

I think it's better to legalize possession and homegrown pot and make government-controlled larger plantations and sales-points.
In the Netherlands for instance it's allowed to sell pot in certain places but it's illegal to grow it I believe, and they strictly enforce this. Therefore most plantations are held in Belgium which has less stringent control and the harvest is sold at the back-door of the coffeeshops (illegally). So legalizing possession but criminalizing manufacture would only shift the problem to another location and create new problems.
The best solution would be to have government-run plantations and sales points together with legal possession and small manufacturing (for own use) of almost all drugs. That way the quality could be ensured (no stuff you don't know of in your drugs are always a plus), the government could make extra money and it could be ensured that there isn't an export to other countries.


Actually you're only allowed to grow on small private scale. Something like 6 plants per person or so. It's only not allowed to grow it in big numbers, so indeed the coffeeshop backdoor is illegal. And there are also many many plantations in the rural areas, or on the top floor of a house (which usually borrows power from the neighbours or so, to save costs).

First, no. Second, what about caffiene? Or high fat foods? I can kill myself with Big Macs and Red Bulls, but not weed.

It's ridiculous!

Ah, well then it's OK to tell people to leave the country if they don't agree with you. :rolleyes:

Apparently so.

First off, there are restrictions on the consumption of alcohol, and the using of guns, as well as the smoking of marijuana... pwned.

Sorry, I don't argue with people who used the word who use "pwned" in debates. Try again.

I never said that someone walking in the street isn't being dangerous... but they aren't doing anything (knowably) illegal either... argument fails.

He said "how do you know that of someone you pass in the street?", which links directly to the question being asked: "If you walked past someone's house in the street and you saw or smelt marijuana, would you dob?" Perhaps you should learn to read before you have the audacity to say that an argument "fails".

I'm all for progressive change... I just happen to support anti-drug laws.

And if we disagree, we should leave?
What's hilarious is that you seem assume everyone lives in the same country as you.


I never said I automatically assume all potheads do only that when smoking.

You don't need to say "zomgz i lyk automatikally azzume potheads drown babiez" to actually assume it. Asking "how can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?" means that you automatically assume that at least one smoking pot would let their child drown in a bath tub.

They're still doing something illegal, as in the case of the speeder, they're still getting caught.

But is it your right to contact the police if someone's doing something illegal that isn't directly affecting you?



Umm... deal with what? Buying you a ticket so that you can do something elswhere that is illegal here? I'm sorry, but I don't follow the train wreck that is your attempt at logic.

You don't even remember what you say, do you? You said: "Deal with it or move to the Netherlands". And I said: "Buy my ticket. Deal with it, or move to another thread." You see, there's this little thing called sarcasm. Perhaps this website could help you out: www.dicitonary.com

The reason why you don't follow my logic is because you're clearly incapable.

turning in someone for smoking marijuana in the privacy of their own home wouldnt even cross my mind.

now if they were cooking meth i might, wouldnt want the neighborhood to explode eh?

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?

Additionally, if they want to smoke, and not get 'caught' have them move to the Netherlands... while in the US, however, it is illegal, so of course I would say something.

It is the same as if I am speeding down an all but deserted freeway, if I get pulled over (even though I'm not endangering anyone else) I deserve it, I know the speedlimits, and the consequences (legally), so to, do people who smoke pot.

Deal with it or move to the Netherlands.


Indeed, Im glad we live in a civilization that is a free society where our laws do not impose the morality of the few and misinformed on the majority.


Oh wait....

No, I would not.

Depends...if it's interfering with me, such as the potheads in my apartment building, sure, I'd "dob" on them without a second thought.

If they weren't interfering with me, though, I wouldn't.

Yes, I can be a vindictive bastard far too often.

no you're not that's pretty normal to me.

If there were a reward, or I didn't like the person, then yes.

Protip: If you're going to break the law, don't be a fucking idiot and lean out your window while doing it.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

Depends...if it's interfering with me, such as the potheads in my apartment building, sure, I'd "dob" on them without a second thought.

If they weren't interfering with me, though, I wouldn't.

Yes, I can be a vindictive bastard far too often.

My first thought after reading that was "If she's hot?", because I had no idea what the heck 'dob' meant and my mind tends to default to sex. Go figure.

Anyway, I wouldn't dob on them. If they were in a public place though, I would.

Haha in that situation no.

I know one guy who lived on Campus last year. His room smelt of pot. Actually a party I went to in one of the flats smelt of pot. Security don't really care either as long as there is no trouble, they'll turn a blind eye. They'll only act if the head of security is on duty.

Our little campus is like a little utopia in London.

My first thought after reading that was "If she's hot?", because I had no idea what the heck 'dob' meant and my mind tends to default to sex. Go figure.

Anyway, I wouldn't dob on them. If they were in a public place though, I would.

Why? How does doing it say . . . on a park bench make a difference?

Why? How does doing it say . . . on a park bench make a difference?

If someone is participating in an illegal act that will harm no one but the people that are willingly participating in the act, inside a private residence, I shouldn't care.

Now, let's examine the difference between that and a public place.

1. It is in fact an illegal act and doing so in public is stupid for one. While stupidity shouldn't be a crime, it doesn't mean I'm going to assist the willingly stupid.
2. Secondhand smoke. Seriously, if it was illegal to smoke cigarettes outside, I would be reporting abusers left and right. I don't walk into a park because I want to take a breath of fresh air and instead recieve smokey garbage.
3. Even though the effects of pot aren't as severe as many(any?) other drugs, it isn't exactly a bonus to have people under the influence stumbling or rolling around in public.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

Dunno if it was touched upon...

two different situations. "out your window" is not "in your home". a police officer walking by sees someone smoking Marijuana "out their window" in a state where it is illegal to smoke Marijuana can arrest that person. Infact, it may even allow the officer to search the premisis without a warrant (probable cause: witnessing a crime in action)

Now if I am in an apartment building and going up to my apartment and I see someone's door open and they're smoking... that's different because 1) it's a secured building 2) assuming that the person smoking cannot be seen from the streets.

In their own home?

If I ony wanted to report people I saw smokuing pot out on the street, I'd have to report like 20 people every day.

But is it your right to contact the police if someone's doing something illegal that isn't directly affecting you?



Some would argue that whether its affecting you or not, it is your civic duty to report said crime as a member of society.

I tend to agree in most (not all) cases, except for the privacy of one's home. However, since this idiot was stupid enough to smoke in public view, where anyone can see...yeah, I think they deserve to get nailed.

If you're going to do something stupid (in my opinion) and illegal, at least do it where no one can see. ;)

Some would argue that whether its affecting you or not, it is your civic duty to report said crime as a member of society.

I tend to agree in most (not all) cases, except for the privacy of one's home. However, since this idiot was stupid enough to smoke in public view, where anyone can see...yeah, I think they deserve to get nailed.

If you're going to do something stupid (in my opinion) and illegal, at least do it where no one can see. ;)

Yeah, if you support the state.

Yeah, if you support the state.

That's a good point. But I still stand by the opinion that if you're stupid enough to be seen, you should get nailed.

But is it your right to contact the police if someone's doing something illegal that isn't directly affecting you?

Their right extends to affecting themselves. The minute their actions begin to affect people who do not wish to be involved, those who are witness have the responsibility to notify the authorities, whether personally affected or not.

For instance, a guy can smoke the reefer in his apartment all he wants. But the minute the smoke starts entering the apartment of that poor elderly lady who doesn't want to do drugs at all, assuming I am aware of this of course, it's my moral and civic responsibility to stop it.

Now, I'm not a complete jackass. So I'd probably talk to the guy instead of calling the Po-po and leave that as as last resort. Y'know, ask him if he can stop, tone it down, shut some windows, etc. I'd like to think we can find something that works for everyone.

I would only ever do something like as a joke. If i knew one of my friends was getting pulled over, I'd send him a voice clip in a text with something along the lines of "Did you keester-stash the pot?" But only if he didn' do weed. Because then he'd go to jail. and ratting on your friends is not very friend-like.

I would only ever do something like as a joke. If i knew one of my friends was getting pulled over, I'd send him a voice clip in a text with something along the lines of "Did you keester-stash the pot?" But only if he didn' do weed. Because then he'd go to jail. and ratting on your friends is not very friend-like.

Ratting to the cops is the adult version of telling tales to the teacher, except it's just as infantile.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.
The law is an ass, download an mp3 recently?

Nope, never have, never will.

You fail.

The law is an ass, download an mp3 recently?

Nope, never have, never will.

Again, no.

I never though I'd agree with the commie, but, Jeeze what the hell's wrong with you? I mean its like a preacher's child. You aren't a preacher's kid are you?

Nope, never have, never will.

Ever switch a sogn from a cd to an Mp3 player?

Ever switch a sogn from a cd to an Mp3 player?

Again, no.

No, I just believe in following the law. Though with the whole songs thing, I just pop my cd into the player, and carry around my collection. The whole Mp3/Ipod gig just wasn't for me.

I believe your batshit insane, and your current attitude won't last long when it encounters prolonged exposure to reality.

Jeeze what the hell's wrong with you? I mean its like a preacher's child. You aren't a preacher's kid are you?

No, I just believe in following the law. Though with the whole songs thing, I just pop my cd into the player, and carry around my collection. The whole Mp3/Ipod gig just wasn't for me.

I believe your batshit insane, and your current attitude won't last long when it encounters prolonged exposure to reality.

Reality is relative to ones view of the world.

Even if I believed it would accomplish something, I wouldn't.

I believe your batshit insane, and your current attitude won't last long when it encounters prolonged exposure to reality.

Jesus fucking Christ, would you leave him alone? He just isn't into piracy, listens to CDs not mp3s and wants to follow the letter of the law to a T. So fucking what? If that really bugs you that much... get over it.

I believe your batshit insane, and your current attitude won't last long when it encounters prolonged exposure to reality.

This coming from a...Stalinist? I seem to recall the penalty for unauthorized distribution of media in the 1930's was either death or a long run in the GPU's torture chambers followed by exile.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?I've already been in that position quite a few times, and i didn't call 'em so much as once.
Plenty of reasons.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.Grow the fuck up.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

No fucking way. I want the police to go after real criminals, not pot smokers. Nobody gives a shit whether somebody smokes pot.

I'm so jealous.Because he's in Amsterdam, or has a girlfriend?

Because he's in Amsterdam, or has a girlfriend?

Pssh, Haarlem is a much better town then Amsterdam, less stupid tourists, and it has the highest coffeeshop (where pot is sold) density per capita in the world :)

Grow the fuck up.

Quite.

Only if they were being an obvious and prolonged nuisance that I couldn't resolve on my own, and that as far as I can tell is pretty damn unlikely. I've seen people smoke pot and been around those who have smoked it, and honestly I can't say it's ever been a disturbance. I mean, if they're just smoking pot and not bothering me or anyone else, who cares? The illegality of marijuana is on dubious enough grounds that I can't see causing someone undue problems on account of a law I personally oppose; it's not like I get some kind of medal, meaningful improvement in community quality of life or significant cash compensation for doing so, so there's not even an incentive were I actually opposed to recreational marijuana use.

There are far more important things for me and for the police to deal with than someone smoking pot in their own home. Now, if they were also dealing drugs (and I mean really dealing), the situation would be entirely different...I don't care if you smoke pot or supply it to friends, but if you're dealing large quantities it's going end up being nothing but trouble.

Pssh, Haarlem is a much better town then Amsterdam, less stupid tourists, and it has the highest coffeeshop (where pot is sold) density per capita in the world :)
Whoops, my Americanness made me assume Amsterdam (even though I know somebody from Haarlem). In my defense, however, Amsterdam and Haarlem are right next to each other and around my parts when somebody is from "LA" that can mean an area roughly the size of your entire country.

Jesus fucking Christ, would you leave him alone? He just isn't into piracy, listens to CDs not mp3s and wants to follow the letter of the law to a T. So fucking what? If that really bugs you that much... get over it.

I am calling BS, I don't believe a word he says, I mean what does he listen to?

I am calling BS, I don't believe a word he says, I mean what does he listen to?

There are things as CD players and CD's. Not everyone downloads songs ( I do ) so just accept it. Just because someone does something different to your perception of the world doesn't mean it's wrong. Leave the guy alone.

The day a person's personal life becomes subject to government scrutiny, is the day we start installing telescreens into people's homes. Though I suppose that statement is ambivalent enough to be either for or against it, should I be for telescreens. Not like I make them and am waiting on a nice fat lucrative government contract or anything.

AFA? I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the acronym, and I'm not gonna look it up at the moment.

www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

EDIT: I'm also 6'2"... whatever else cna be said, 'little' is hardly a supporting adjective I would choose....

Bahahahahahaha. No one cares how tall you are. :rolleyes:

Alright,m because it's a three-on-one 'flame the minority' I can't quite keep up, sorry if I don't repsond to everything you guys throw at me.

It's not about "flaming the minority", it's - well, at least in my case - called debate and discussion.

People who grass on other people to any person of authority is pretty lame, to say nothing of people who tell tales to the police. Unless they're deliberately trying to set you on fire with their joint, leave them be.

Haha, we'll, it's pretty hard to set fire to someone with a joint. :p

Sameway drinking alcohol can endanger someone else.

I also wouldn't be comfortable with someone smoking pot in the presence of children.

I agree with you. I don't think anyone should have more than a glass of wine or so around their children, and I certainly don't think anyone should use drugs or smoke around their children either. However, doing something in private is very different.

No, I wouldn't tell the police. I would tell them if I see something really bad happen, like a person getting attacked or something similar, but pot shouldn't even be a crime.

Agreed.

I voted no, but for the sake of precision...

Car window or home window?

Home window I would not care, Car window...

I would say something along the lines of "Put that down, you wacko!", and then I would drive away from that car as fast as possible. But even then, I wouldn't go to the police.

Home window, of course.

If I saw a driver smoking pot out of his car window, I would call the police, and I would call the police if I saw a driver drinking in their car as well. Driving intoxicated is a completely different issue.

Depends...if it's interfering with me, such as the potheads in my apartment building, sure, I'd "dob" on them without a second thought.

If they weren't interfering with me, though, I wouldn't.

Yes, I can be a vindictive bastard far too often.

How is someone interfering with you if they're just in the same building?

My first thought after reading that was "If she's hot?", because I had no idea what the heck 'dob' meant and my mind tends to default to sex. Go figure.

Anyway, I wouldn't dob on them. If they were in a public place though, I would.

Haha, I wonder if that's why I don't get dobbed on. :p

Dunno if it was touched upon...

two different situations. "out your window" is not "in your home". a police officer walking by sees someone smoking Marijuana "out their window" in a state where it is illegal to smoke Marijuana can arrest that person. Infact, it may even allow the officer to search the premisis without a warrant (probable cause: witnessing a crime in action)

Now if I am in an apartment building and going up to my apartment and I see someone's door open and they're smoking... that's different because 1) it's a secured building 2) assuming that the person smoking cannot be seen from the streets.

Well, to me out of the window is in my own home. I wouldn't smoke pot without the windows open, just as I wouldn't smoke a cigarette without the windows open. Sometimes I sit near the window when I smoke, and there is an off-chance someone could smell it as they walk by. However, to see me, they have to be invading my privacy and making quite an effort to look inside.

In an ideal world, it would be better if it was entirely private, I suppose.

Their right extends to affecting themselves. The minute their actions begin to affect people who do not wish to be involved, those who are witness have the responsibility to notify the authorities, whether personally affected or not.

For instance, a guy can smoke the reefer in his apartment all he wants. But the minute the smoke starts entering the apartment of that poor elderly lady who doesn't want to do drugs at all, assuming I am aware of this of course, it's my moral and civic responsibility to stop it.

Well, I can understand what you mean, and I agree to an extent. I don't think that anyone has the right to impose their drug use on others, and if the smoke is wafting to such a great extent that it is entering another apartment (which is very unlikely), and the person in the apartment is affected (or worried about the effects of) the smoke, I can understand why that person might call the police or at least speak to the individual who is smoking.

Ratting to the cops is the adult version of telling tales to the teacher, except it's just as infantile.

In this situation, if the pot-smoker isn't hurting anyone, I agree.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.

You would honestly put a law (a highly contested law, that is viewed as ridiculous and petty by many people) above your own family and friends? I pitty you.

Remind me never to befriend you.

Again, no.

Do you jay-walk?

No fucking way. I want the police to go after real criminals, not pot smokers. Nobody gives a shit whether somebody smokes pot.

Exactly. It's so stupid that so many people get in trouble for petty crimes like shoplifting chocolates or smoking pot, when there are real criminals out there. What's even worse is that (at least in the court trials I've witnessed) people who've comitted petty crimes get in as much trouble (if not more) than those who've beaten people up or beaten their wives.

Because he's in Amsterdam, or has a girlfriend?

1. I'm a woman.
2. While I'm open minded, I'm not interested in having a girlfriend.
3. I'm jealous because where he lives he has the freedom to smoke pot.
4. Happy?

Only if they were being an obvious and prolonged nuisance that I couldn't resolve on my own, and that as far as I can tell is pretty damn unlikely. I've seen people smoke pot and been around those who have smoked it, and honestly I can't say it's ever been a disturbance. I mean, if they're just smoking pot and not bothering me or anyone else, who cares? The illegality of marijuana is on dubious enough grounds that I can't see causing someone undue problems on account of a law I personally oppose; it's not like I get some kind of medal, meaningful improvement in community quality of life or significant cash compensation for doing so, so there's not even an incentive were I actually opposed to recreational marijuana use.

There are far more important things for me and for the police to deal with than someone smoking pot in their own home. Now, if they were also dealing drugs (and I mean really dealing), the situation would be entirely different...I don't care if you smoke pot or supply it to friends, but if you're dealing large quantities it's going end up being nothing but trouble.

I agree with a lot of what you've said.

Big-time drug dealing is a different issue, but I agree that it's something you might have to contact the police about in some instances. For example, if there was a big-time cocaine dealer living in your apartment building, it can pose a risk to your family's safety.

The day a person's personal life becomes subject to government scrutiny, is the day we start installing telescreens into people's homes. *snip*.

*eep*

You would honestly put a law (a highly contested law, that is viewed as ridiculous and petty by many people) above your own family and friends? I pitty you.

Remind me never to befriend you.

As I mentioned, I believe that all use of recreational drugs should be illegal, including alcohol. Not to mention the health side of things, drugs aren't exactly the best thing for your body, or did you fail to learn that?

Do you jay-walk?

No.

As I mentioned, I believe that all use of recreational drugs should be illegal, including alcohol. Not to mention the health side of things, drugs aren't exactly the best thing for your body, or did you fail to learn that?Please don't ever leave your home.

No.Even in a jungle with no cars for miles?

As I mentioned, I believe that all use of recreational drugs should be illegal, including alcohol.

Well, personally I believe that it's ridiculous that alcohol is legal and that marijuana isn't. I believe they're on a similar platform, so they should either both be illegal or both be legal. Obviously, I'd prefer the latter.

Not to mention the health side of things, drugs aren't exactly the best thing for your body, or did you fail to learn that?

Of course drugs aren't the best thing for your body, and I am well aware of the health-effects. I've actively educated myself about drugs, and not just illicit ones either. I understand the possible consequences, and I choose to smoke marijuana anyway. I have made an educated choice.

I think that drug and alcohol education are imperative, and that any drug-related advirtisments and propoganda should be directed at educating the public, rather than stupid slogans or out-right lies. I believe many more people, given the chance, would choose not to do drugs (even if they were legalised) because of the information they have been provided with. Most people I know do not smoke. They are 18, they can buy cigarettes, some of them even enjoy smoking, but they choose not to because they have been educated about the ill effects. When people are educated, they will make better decisions.

What makes you think it is the place of the law to say what I can and can't put into my body? Just because something is unhealthy, doesn't mean it should be illegal. People have the right to choose what they put in their body, and they should also have the right to make choices, full stop. If we were to ban everything that is unhealthy for the human body, we wouldn't have coffee, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, bungee-jumping, sugar, and so forth. McDonalds would be illegal! Except, and most people would agree with me, the government should be allowed to intervene in every aspect of our lives! It is not the government's place to tell me I can't smoke something just because it's "bad" for me. It is the government's place, however, to provide widespread, honest education. And I believe that education would be more effective than illegalisation.

No.

Yawn.

Where are you from?

I'm pretty sure you would have done at least one of these things:
http://www.dumblaws.com/

No, I just believe in following the law. Though with the whole songs thing, I just pop my cd into the player, and carry around my collection. The whole Mp3/Ipod gig just wasn't for me.
You know that copying your own CDs for your own use is legal, right?

www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

That link automatically fails due to the following sentence:

"Google Is Your Friend"

That link automatically fails due to the following sentence:

"Google Is Your Friend"

I don't need no friends!
I got a time machine!

That link automatically fails due to the following sentence:

"Google Is Your Friend"

Hmm, no.

Hmm, no.

Hmm, yes.

Google = overrated

Hmm, no.

Hmm, yes.

Google = overrated

I said i got a time machine!
godamn it don't you know what this means?
It means all mistakes done in the past can be changed, thus your arguments are futile puny mortals.

Well, to me out of the window is in my own home. I wouldn't smoke pot without the windows open, just as I wouldn't smoke a cigarette without the windows open. Sometimes I sit near the window when I smoke, and there is an off-chance someone could smell it as they walk by. However, to see me, they have to be invading my privacy and making quite an effort to look inside.

In an ideal world, it would be better if it was entirely private, I suppose.
and the point isn't that "out your window" isn't in your own home, it's what can be seen from the person on the street who is not TRYING to see what you are doing.

so you smoking with the shades drawn is not out your window. but if the smoke drifts out and a passing cop detects and identifies the smell... well, you have to ask the lawyers if that is reasonable cause for a warrantless home search...

the same thing with murdering someone. you can kill someone in your home, but if that person screams and someone outside hears it, they can call the cops. same with disturbing the peace (partying to loud), Domestic disputes, nudity (I can be nude in my own home, but should I have the drapes on my huge picture window drawn back...)

taking drugs has to be in the privacy of your own home because it's illegal to do it in public. Anyone reporting that they can see someone doing an illegal activity shouldn't be villified, especially if that act can be seen without the witness actually trying to look in.

It depends really. If I didn't know them, or they were at least decent or friendly with me, then no.

On the other hand, if they're assholes, I wouldn't be under blackmailing them. Of course, by assholes, I really mean it. I've seen people do some pretty pointless and mean shit, and if I had a chance on them, I would definitely fuck them over for things they've done (steal ipods, break $100 calculators on purpose, attack people, etc.).

[What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

Only if they wouldn't share...

What horrible logic.

Yea. I laughed a bit when I read that. :p

I would 'dob'. Marijuana is illegal because it is considered dangerous. merely because a danger isn't clear and present, does not mean it is not there. How can I know that this person hanging out the window is not leaving his/her baby unattended in the tub and drowning?
.

What horrible logic.
How do you know that someone walking down the street hasn't left their babies at home to drown? How do you know that someone in a shop hasn't left their baby in a car? How do you know that someone standing outside talking to a neighbour isn't letting their kid play with knives? Seriously smoking pot =/= letting your child die.

Well, I can understand what you mean, and I agree to an extent. I don't think that anyone has the right to impose their drug use on others, and if the smoke is wafting to such a great extent that it is entering another apartment (which is very unlikely), and the person in the apartment is affected (or worried about the effects of) the smoke, I can understand why that person might call the police or at least speak to the individual who is smoking.

Naturally. I make no pretense that my situation is likely, on the contrary I'm not at all surprised to hear that it isn't. It simply served to illustrate that I believe that a person's right to drug use stops when it drags in those unwilling.

That has limits too, however. If a person is in someone's apartment and the owner decides to smoke some weed, the person is free to leave if they don't like it. Even then, I suspect that police involvement would rarely be needed (What do you call something that's rarely needed in a rare situation anyway?) as I'm sure the person with the drugs would be friendly enough to reason with.

I think we agree though, so I'm not sure why I'm still talking.

Naturally. I make no pretense that my situation is likely, on the contrary I'm not at all surprised to hear that it isn't. It simply served to illustrate that I believe that a person's right to drug use stops when it drags in those unwilling.

That has limits too, however. If a person is in someone's apartment and the owner decides to smoke some weed, the person is free to leave if they don't like it. Even then, I suspect that police involvement would rarely be needed (What do you call something that's rarely needed in a rare situation anyway?) as I'm sure the person with the drugs would be friendly enough to reason with.

I think we agree though, so I'm not sure why I'm still talking.

Then i voted correctly, i was worried i didn't destiny made it right, if it was likely i would tell.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.

Damn that's cold hahaha. I hope you would have the decency to tell them of your intentions first. Give them a heads up to know to never burn a bowl in your vicinity or else you're gonna call the police.

Only if they were being an obvious and prolonged nuisance that I couldn't resolve on my own,... -snippet-

That. If someone was causing problems I'd take it to them first and try to work out an understanding.

Ashmora mentioned earlier about a meth lab .. I hadn't even thought of that. I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation. I dunno if I'd want to try talking to them or not. lol

Andaras, United Beleriand, stop flaming Elves Security Forces. Your history makes it really, really unwise to draw attention to yourselves. 1010102, hop off the bandwagon. Anyone else who's thinking of jumping on it, don't.

Oh, and just in case, don't even think of dobbing him in as a troll. You have no reason to assume that his lifestyle is not exactly what he says it is.

I see a lot of people on this thread saying something like "I wouldn't report it because people can do what they want as long as it isn't endangering others"

Well to all of those, would you report it if someone was attempting suicide, where only they themselves could be hurt.

All I'm saying is sometimes reporting to the police can be a good thing.

Click Stand;13501589']I see a lot of people on this thread saying something like "I wouldn't report it because people can do what they want as long as it isn't endangering others"

Well to all of those, would you report it if someone was attempting suicide, where only they themselves could be hurt.

All I'm saying is sometimes reporting to the police can be a good thing.

I would try to talk them out of it but in the end it's their choice, what gives me the right to stop them?

Hell no. If anything I'd see if I could get a few drags.

I would try to talk them out of it but in the end it's their choice, what gives me the right to stop them?

The fact that they may be mentally unstable at the time gives you the right to try and stop them. Such as someone who is bi-polar, or goes through bouts of depression. Either way, they are unstable, and most likely, really don't want to die.

Poll Question: Hypothetically, if someone was smoking pot out of their window, and you happened to walk past and smell or see it, would you dob that person in to the police, or would you just let them be?

I've started to think a lot about social institutions and the law lately, and I've begun questioning exactly how much power the government, law, military and/or police should have, and while I have conflicted thoughts on the issue, I don't believe it's the right of the law to tell someone what they can smoke in their own home. I also don't think a civillian should take it upon themselves to tell the authorities if someone is smoking marijuana (or doing any drugs) in their own home. Anyway, this drug debate has been thrown around a lot on NSG lately, so it's not my focus...

What I'd like to know is: would you dob? What sort of situation would be worthy of contacting the police?

If I really didn't like the person, then yes, otherwise no.

Pulchritudo, do you know what happens to rats?;)

They get eaten.
Rats, like all mammals, are edible by humans and are sometimes captured and eaten in emergency situations. For some cultures, rats are considered a staple. Bandicoot rats are an important food source among some peoples in Southeast Asia. Reasons why rat meat is not more widely eaten include the strong prohibitions against it in Islamic and Jewish dietary laws, the prohibition of all meat by many followers in Hinduism, and the rat's bad reputation in many cultures.

As a food, rats are often a more-readily available source of protein than other fauna. Some African captives in the American South hunted wood rats (among other animals) to supplement their food rations.[4] The Aboriginals along the coast in Southern Queensland, Australia regularly included rats in their diet.[5] In the Mishmi culture of India, rats are essential to the Mishmi traditional diet, as Mishmi women may eat no meat except fish, pork, wild birds and rats.[6] The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that rat meat makes up half the locally produced meat consumed in Ghana, where cane rats are farmed and hunted for their meat.

In some cultures, rats are or have been limited as an acceptable form of food to a particular social or economic class. In the traditional cultures of the Hawaiians and the Polynesians, rat was a common food. When feasting, the Polynesian people of Rapa Nui could eat rat, but the king was not allowed to due to the islanders' belief in a "state of sacredness" called tapu. In studying pre-contact archaeological sites in Hawaii, archaeologists have found that the concentration of the remains of rats associated with commoner households counted for three times the animal remains associated with elite households. The rat bones found in all sites are fragmented, burned and covered in carbonized material, indicating that rats were eaten as food. The greater occurrence of rat remains associated with commoner households may indicate that the elites of pre-contact Hawaii did not consume them as a matter of status or taste.

Click Stand;13501589']Well to all of those, would you report it if someone was attempting suicide, where only they themselves could be hurt.

Unless it was someone I cared about, no.

I definately would call the cops, unless its one of the few instances where it's prescribed from the doctor. I have my views on drug use, and they consist solely of they all should be outlawed and enforced, so I would do my small part in doing so, even it means turning in a friend or family member.

blah blah blah blah ascetic dullard blah blah blah blah needs a life blah blah blah blah probably isn't too much fun to be around

Of course I wouldn't inform the police; it's their own damn choice, and its shouldn't be illegal anyway.

I would try to talk them out of it but in the end it's their choice, what gives me the right to stop them?

Well, given that more than 90 percent of people who die by suicide have mental disorders, perhaps one shouldn't simply trust their judgment.

Actually I feel more tempted to call the cops when some other youngsters use the street as a dancing club, playing loud music from their cars' stereo at midnight. I HATE THEM.

Ditto here. Hypothetically speaking; they've never done that in my neighborhood.

However, sometimes, when I'm driving, cars will be sitting in the street (not parked), obstructing traffic, with someone's head leaned in a rolled-down window, just standing there talking with the driver or a passenger. This irritates me to no end!

Absolutely. Unless I was good friends or something.

For smoking pot? Probably not.
If I heard them beating their wife/husband/significant other/child/animal, you betcha.

For smoking pot? Probably not.
If I heard them beating their wife/husband/significant other/child/animal, you betcha.

Exactly.

Click Stand;13501589']I see a lot of people on this thread saying something like "I wouldn't report it because people can do what they want as long as it isn't endangering others"

Well to all of those, would you report it if someone was attempting suicide, where only they themselves could be hurt.

All I'm saying is sometimes reporting to the police can be a good thing.

I'd probably try to stop them one way or the other. It would really depend on the person .. and why they are wanting to kill themselves as to if I'd call in the authorities. I'd hope I could get in contact with a trusted friend or family member of theirs first of all though.

blah blah blah blah ascetic dullard blah blah blah blah needs a life blah blah blah blah probably isn't too much fun to be around


The blessed Chris, something you missed:Andaras, United Beleriand, stop flaming Elves Security Forces. Your history makes it really, really unwise to draw attention to yourselves. 1010102, hop off the bandwagon. Anyone else who's thinking of jumping on it, don't.

The dogpile is o-o-ver.

Hell no. If anything I'd see if I could get a few drags.


toke! drag is off a cigarette :p and hit can be off a bowl or bong .. or crack pipe I guess lol

I still tend to think, regardless of my personal views on drug use itself, if it's illegal, and you're doing it where someone else in this hypothetical scenario could see and/or take offense...why not? Granted there are worse crimes out there that should be reported--but that is irrelevant for my point at the moment.

The fact of the matter in this scenario is that pot-smoking is illegal everywhere, even if it is in the privacy of your own home (someone correct me if I've made an oversight here).

Therefore, I'm not going to have sympathy for you if you do it in public sight--where even if I do not say something, it is still just as likely for someone else to come along (perhaps even a police officer). At least do it where you can't get caught.

If you want to, that's fine. Just be aware of the potential consequences, and keep me out of your light-up range. ;)

EDIT: By the way, this isn't a troll, or flamebait.

The blessed Chris, something you missed:

The dogpile is o-o-ver.

:(


*jumps on Ardchoille instead*

:D

I still tend to think, regardless of my personal views on drug use itself, if it's illegal, and you're doing it where someone else in this hypothetical scenario could see and/or take offense...why not?

The fact of the matter in this scenario is that pot-smoking is illegal. Therefore, I'm not going to have sympathy for you if you do it in public sight--where even if I do not say something, it is still just as likely for someone else to come along (perhaps even a police officer). If you want to, that's fine. Just be aware of the potential consequences, and keep me out of your light-up range. ;)


I drink. I use to smoke pot. I feel alcohol is worse than pot in many ways. I plan on smoking pot again in the future.. even growing it! No way I'd call the police for someone burning joint. Even if they were driving! How the hell does pot make you not be able to drive .. unless you are already drunk or hopped on on pills? I've had a dui .. and know the consequences of it.. and would take back driving that night if I could .. I can't.. so be it. Wasn't in an accident btw.. but any who .. If I saw someone ripped out of their skull drunk, or pilled out and knew they were going to continue to drive around like an idiot .. I very well might alert the cops IF I couldn't stop them from driving myself.

Edit: Some of my reply was directed at other posters posts I read a bit back. Wasn't attacking you or anyone btw. Just stating something.

Nope, I wouldn´t. I believe in free will and also I wouldn´t them dobbing on me.;)

Nope, I wouldn´t. I believe in free will and also I wouldn´t them dobbing on me.;)

I agree, but strange sense of reasoning.

"Yea, I would dob on 'em, because I believe in free will."

Edit: Some of my reply was directed at other posters posts I read a bit back. Wasn't attacking you or anyone btw. Just stating something.

I was wondering if I was being singled out from the quote. xD No problem.

Nope, I wouldn´t. I believe in free will and also I wouldn´t them dobbing on me.;)

*dobs on Nanatsu*
:D

*dobs on Nanatsu*
:D

:mp5:
Snitch!

I agree, but strange sense of reasoning.

"Yea, I would dob on 'em, because I believe in free will."

BTW, I sometimes have a strange sense of reasoning and reality.:D

:mp5:
Snitch!

Ahh, I've been shot!

*bleeds*
*calls 911*

Ahh, I've been shot!

*bleeds*
*calls 911*

:D

:D

*crawls away muttering something about Spaniards being mean*


*especially the ones who work for the government*

:D

*crawls away muttering something about Spaniards being mean*


*especially the ones who work for the government*

:D

;) Yes, we are. Hideputas!!

:(


*jumps on Ardchoille instead*

:D


You wanna jump?

*scatters handwavium*
*makes mystical gesture*

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

So jump!

You wanna jump?

*scatters handwavium*
*makes mystical gesture*

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

So jump!

*hops away happily*

You wanna jump?

*scatters handwavium*
*makes mystical gesture*

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

So jump!

Hahahahahahaha!! The Dyakovo got turned into a frog!

Hahahahahahaha!! The Dyakovo got turned into a frog!

Ribbit

And we'll all get turned into mincemeat if a mod comes by and sees us spammi-- oh, wait ...

[/gentle hint]

And we'll all get turned into mincemeat if a mod comes by and sees us spammi-- oh, wait ...

[/gentle hint]

This kind of minced-meat? (http://holydogwater.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/spam.jpg)

You wanna jump?

*scatters handwavium*
*makes mystical gesture*

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

So jump!
... why would anyone want to turn someone into a frog... don't they lay like THOUSANDS of eggs and have HUNDREDS of baby frogs that will then do nothing else but keep you awake at night with their constant croaking? :confused:

And we'll all get turned into mincemeat if a mod comes by and sees us spammi-- oh, wait ...

[/gentle hint]

then it's best not to have a mod catch us... right?


er...


ahem...


Anyone stupid enough to do an illegal activity (yes, even something harmless as smoking dope) in plain view of the public deserves to be... dobbed on!

First, no. Second, what about caffiene? Or high fat foods? I can kill myself with Big Macs and Red Bulls, but not weed.

Chocolate is the real killer.
I know it myself, glycemyc coma when I was six :(

It's strange to hear the "marjuana is dangerous therefore should be illegal" from the same people that advocate free ownership of fireweapons.

*snip*
taking drugs has to be in the privacy of your own home because it's illegal to do it in public.

Where I live, it's illegal to do it in your own home...

Thus the whole "should the government be able to tell me what I can smoke in my own home?" debate.

Absolutely. Unless I was good friends or something.

"Something" .... on the take. *nods*

... why would anyone want to turn someone into a frog... don't they lay like THOUSANDS of eggs and have HUNDREDS of baby frogs that will then do nothing else but keep you awake at night with their constant croaking? :confused:

Ah, it's not so bad. Some of them just explode.

Oh, and just in case, don't even think of dobbing him in as a troll. You have no reason to assume that his lifestyle is not exactly what he says it is.Isn't that exactly what makes him a troll?

Where I live, it's illegal to do it in your own home...

Thus the whole "should the government be able to tell me what I can smoke in my own home?" debate.

ah, but while it's "illegal to do it in your own home" the officers cannot just barge in for 'spot inspections', nor can they enter your property to peer inside windows. they need to be 1) informed that an illegal activity is in fact, taking place or 2) able to see it without actively trying to see what is in your home (such as going onto your property and looking inside.)

of course this is if you are living within the USA.

Pot, no.

Heroin, meth, crack - I'm already dialing my cellphone.

ah, but while it's "illegal to do it in your own home" the officers cannot just barge in for 'spot inspections', nor can they enter your property to peer inside windows. they need to be 1) informed that an illegal activity is in fact, taking place or 2) able to see it without actively trying to see what is in your home (such as going onto your property and looking inside.)

of course this is if you are living within the USA.

But I don't live in the USA.

And, the whole thread is about whether you WOULD inform the police.

But I don't live in the USA.and do the police have the abilty to do spot inspections on whether or not you are obeying the law?

And, the whole thread is about whether you WOULD inform the police. which would then give the police the right to enter and search.

Remember the conditions set. the person is smoking 'out their window', and otherwise stated "in plain veiw from the street with smoke 'waifting out the window'".

The Lord demands vengance! on those who take any drugs or any alcohol!
Therefore go out to your nearest pub and smite the heathens! For God is on your side.
And you're not allowed to eat either as food might have deadly drugs in it too, only water and ice.

The Lord demands vengance! on those who take any drugs or any alcohol!
Therefore go out to your nearest pub and smite the heathens! For God is on your side.
And you're not allowed to eat either as food might have deadly drugs in it too, only water and ice.

you do know some of the things that are added to our drinking water... and things that seep into the water supplies right?

you do know some of the things that are added to our drinking water... and things that seep into the water supplies right?

The LORD protects his followers!
THe water will be safe for them to drink, by holy decree, from a special well at Lourdes.

If the police in the US see you doing it in plain view of the street, they can come in.

It's called probable cause. Now, to know that it was pot you were smoking and not tobacco, they would probably have to smell the smoke.

Same for your car. If they pull you over, and you roll down the window after exhaling a big drag from your hash pipe, and the cop smells it, he can search you and your car for drugs on the spot.
and I said that in my earlier posts. :cool:

my question to Amor Pulchritudo, is does that ability and right for the police exist in his country.

and do the police have the abilty to do spot inspections on whether or not you are obeying the law?

which would then give the police the right to enter and search.

Remember the conditions set. the person is smoking 'out their window', and otherwise stated "in plain veiw from the street with smoke 'waifting out the window'".

If the police in the US see you doing it in plain view of the street, they can come in.

It's called probable cause. Now, to know that it was pot you were smoking and not tobacco, they would probably have to smell the smoke.

Same for your car. If they pull you over, and you roll down the window after exhaling a big drag from your hash pipe, and the cop smells it, he can search you and your car for drugs on the spot.

The Lord demands vengance! on those who take any drugs or any alcohol!
...
And you're not allowed to eat either as food might have deadly drugs in it too, only water and ice.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/religion.israelandthepalestinians
And that about wraps that dope up, arh-yeah.

Nope I don't even though I don't agree with it.

and I said that in my earlier posts. :cool:

my question to Amor Pulchritudo, is does that ability and right for the police exist in his country.

1. I'm not a "him".

2. Questions have question marks.

3. If you're asking if the police have the ability to search someone if they see or smell that they have drugs, the answer is "yes".

and do the police have the abilty to do spot inspections on whether or not you are obeying the law?

which would then give the police the right to enter and search.

Remember the conditions set. the person is smoking 'out their window', and otherwise stated "in plain veiw from the street with smoke 'waifting out the window'".

You realise I set the conditions, right? If you read the whole OP, you'd realise that it's "in their own home". If someone can be seen or smoke can be smelt, it is still in their own home.

1. I'm not a "him".If so, my demise is nearer than i thought :eek:

2. Questions have question marks.But do they have Mysterians?

3. If you're asking if the police have the ability to search someone if they see or smell that they have drugs, the answer is "yes".Probable cause, right? :(
I've been pulled over many, many a time as an "inebriated pedestrian" just because i was singing NIN and Korn and Skid Row and Faith No More and Badlands (et cetera, et cetera) down the middle of the highway when i was younger ...

You realise I set the conditions, right? If you read the whole OP, you'd realise that it's "in their own home". If someone can be seen or smoke can be smelt, it is still in their own home.

I suppose that depends on the law. But I can very easily believe that if you can be seen from the street, then that could constitute probable cause.

there is one thing i WOULD rat, narc, dob, grass, whatever you want to call it, on someone for though, and seriously wish law enforcement WOULD get a LOT more serious about, and that is robbing others of their freedom of thought by forcing their coercive noise on them, otherwise knows as disturbing the peace.
this is NOT victumless by any streatch of it.

what someone else is consuming, even publicly, unless they were using doing so as a means and excuse of making a pain in the ass of themselves otherwise, is not a threat nor concern, in and of itself, to me, in any way.

i think tobacco smoke in an enclosed area where anyone had or needed to be who did not voluntarily wish to partake of the known risks of second hand tobacco smoke, that would be nonvictumless too. but people are being more considerate of the law and each other about that, then they are about noise polution from personal entertainment, which, is, as far as i'm concerned, the only REAL noise polution and noise polution problem.

i'd rather listen to vehicular trafic, and MUCH rather listen to rail then vehicular traffic, any day, then the sound of someone's stereo, television or even loud voice.

of course, being able to hear the sounds of nature would be best of all.

=^^=
.../\...

Uh, yeh. But what I'm asking is: would you tell the police if you saw it?

Ah, I was under the impression that the discussion had shifted to whether the police could lawfully barge into your house if they saw it through your window. My mistake.

As for the question, I think fully shared my thoughts earlier on in the thread.

I've been pulled over many, many a time as an "inebriated pedestrian" just because i was singing NIN and Korn and Skid Row and Faith No More and Badlands (et cetera, et cetera) down the middle of the highway when i was younger ...

Shit.

That's pretty fucking funny.

Were you drunk/high or just...strange?

I suppose that depends on the law. But I can very easily believe that if you can be seen from the street, then that could constitute probable cause.

Uh, yeh. But what I'm asking is: would you tell the police if you saw it?

there is one thing i WOULD rat, narc, dob, grass, whatever you want to call it, on someone for though, and seriously wish law enforcement WOULD get a LOT more serious about, and that is robbing others of their freedom of thought by forcing their coercive noise on them, otherwise knows as disturbing the peace.
this is NOT victumless by any streatch of it.

:confused: You mean things like people playing music really loud? Yeh, that's really annoying. I've called the local police about really really loud music before.

what someone else is consuming, even publicly, unless they were using doing so as a means and excuse of making a pain in the ass of themselves otherwise, is not a threat nor concern, in and of itself, to me, in any way.

Exactly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/religion.israelandthepalestinians
And that about wraps that dope up, arh-yeah.

yeah the bible was funny like that.
But still "The Bible is the Word of God!"
In fact Jesus still lives today.
Because he was resurrected as a zombie to walk the rest of his life in torment for starting such a poorly structed religion, in effect God disowned him. *baaad God bad*
Thus God is evil, therefore he exists, because the world is evil.

I'm joking throughout this whole thing by the way, so don't worry about me, just for kicks and all that.*grins*

1. I'm not a "him".
Ah... a thousand pardons Ma'am.

2. Questions have question marks. it did. look...

and do the police have the abilty to do spot inspections on whether or not you are obeying the law?

3. If you're asking if the police have the ability to search someone if they see or smell that they have drugs, the answer is "yes". which is far from
Thus the whole "should the government be able to tell me what I can smoke in my own home?" debate.
since the police need to have probable cause to search your home or they need to obtain a warrant of some sort. Which means, you play it smart, you won't get caught.

You realise I set the conditions, right? If you read the whole OP, you'd realise that it's "in their own home". If someone can be seen or smoke can be smelt, it is still in their own home.
yes, I know you set the conditions. and out the window means out the window. (indicating 1: the smoke is not "IN YOUR HOME", 2: it's in plain sight from anyone causally looking in from the street, 3: you are sticking your head and upperbody out the window.)

Any passing cop would then have probable cause to enter should they choose to follow up on what they see. whether or not it's in your home, is irrelavant, a crime is a crime. whether it be you shooting up with drugs in a locked room to insure people's safety, or you got body parts in your refridgerator, if you are caught, you get processed.

How come Pulchritudo always gets her threads with loads of responses?
no fair, hmmmmmmmurrrrrrrrraaaarrrrrruuuuuummmmmmmmmm *and the motorbike drove off*ahahaha.:cool:

Any passing cop would then have probable cause to enter should they choose to follow up on what they see. whether or not it's in your home, is irrelavant, a crime is a crime. whether it be you shooting up with drugs in a locked room to insure people's safety, or you got body parts in your refridgerator, if you are caught, you get processed.

But we're not talking about "passing cops" we're talking about "passing civillians".

How come Pulchritudo always gets her threads with loads of responses?
no fair, hmmmmmmmurrrrrrrrraaaarrrrrruuuuuummmmmmmmmm *and the motorbike drove off*ahahaha.:cool:

:cool:

Shit.

That's pretty fucking funny.

Were you drunk/high or just...strange?Can't practice those kinds of vocals in most apartment complexes.
Ever tried singing them?
I hadn't mentioned Mr. Bungle either, and believe me, there's some twisted lyrics in there. :)
Let's say i also sing Evanescence and Tool, and when you're singing lyrics like "Why don't you KILL ME? I am ... weak and numb and insignificant!" it sounds a might funny to observers of most particular persuasion. :D
I think the easiest answer is "strange" (surprise :eek: )

Can't practice those kinds of vocals in most apartment complexes.
Ever tried singing them?
I hadn't mentioned Mr. Bungle either, and believe me, there's some twisted lyrics in there. :)
Let's say i also sing Evanescence and Tool, and when you're singing lyrics like "Why don't you KILL ME? I am ... weak and numb and insignificant!" it sounds a might funny to observers of most particular persuasion. :D
I think the easiest answer is "strange" (surprise :eek: )

I've sung a lot of Evenescence. The people walking past who may potentially see smoke seeping out of my window also have to put up with my voice. :p

So, are you a musician?

I've sung a lot of Evenescence.w00t! *bows*
Fav's are "Hello" and "Lacrymosa" even though i like a lot of others, obviously.
The people walking past who may potentially see smoke seeping out of my window also have to put up with my voice. :p Same time? That's nuckin' futs!

So, are you a musician?http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13510408&postcount=29
You could say that. :)

How come Pulchritudo always gets her threads with loads of responses?
http://forums.massivehq.com/images/smilies/misc/hidesbehindsofa.gif
I have a *few* "theories" ...

yeah the bible was funny like that.
But still "The Bible is the Word of God!"
In fact Jesus still lives today.
Because he was resurrected as a zombie to walk the rest of his life in torment for starting such a poorly structed religion, in effect God disowned him. *baaad God bad*
Thus God is evil, therefore he exists, because the world is evil.

I'm joking throughout this whole thing by the way, so don't worry about me, just for kicks and all that.*grins*
Wow, that's kinda airtight. I like it. I may reference it on a different thread, if i may (sounds redundant)

w00t! *bows*
Fav's are "Hello" and "Lacrymosa" even though i like a lot of others, obviously.
Same time? That's nuckin' futs!
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13510408&postcount=29
You could say that. :)

I have most of their sheet music.

No, not at the same time. Well, sometimes when I'm stoned I think I'm in a musical, but that's an entirely different story.


Sweet. I don't write my own stuff. Well, I try... but yeh.
. www.myspace.com/gracejuliaproductions .

martieral support charges, people. they could get u for that:cool:

Wow, that's kinda airtight. I like it. I may reference it on a different thread, if i may (sounds redundant)

cool, what do you mean by airtight then redundant? isn't that a contradiction?

cool, what do you mean by airtight then redundant? isn't that a contradiction?

I meant the redundancy on my part, what with the "may" 2x and all. :)

Well, sometimes when I'm stoned I think I'm in a musical, but that's an entirely different story.Like, "Hair", or "Chicago", or "Little Shop of Horrors"?

Yes, i sing things out of all those *surprise surprise*
"Gonna get a candy bar!"


Sweet. I don't write my own stuff. Well, I try... but yeh.
When you say "try", do you mean "until i get distracted", or "until i get unsettled with my own creation and edit it ad nauseum"? :p

BTW, Portishead rocks. :cool:

No I wouldn't. The only reason that Pot is illegal is at one time hemp could be made into a viable alternative to paper. The heads of the lumber industry pushed congress into illegalizing hemp so that they could continue to maximize profits. The rest as they say.. is the war on drugs.

Like, "Hair", or "Chicago", or "Little Shop of Horrors"?

Yes, i sing things out of all those *surprise surprise*
"Gonna get a candy bar!"


When you say "try", do you mean "until i get distracted", or "until i get unsettled with my own creation and edit it ad nauseum"? :p

Well, for some reason, when I'm high I sometimes sing everything in song, so I kind of make my own musical inside my head.

But, - when I'm not high - I've sung a lot of songs from musicals, including Chicago, Rent etc. I actually got an "honourable mention" at an esstedford a year or so ago for singing "Mr Cellophane".

And by "try" I mean I write things but I never finish them because I don't particularly like what I've written. I can come up with relatively good melodies, and I can write poems + prose, but for some reason when it comes to writing a song, I just can't make it perfect. I've got a bit of an emotional block when it comes to my music. Fear of failure: Don't you just love it? :(

Well, for some reason, when I'm high I sometimes sing everything in song, so I kind of make my own musical inside my head.

But, - when I'm not high - I've sung a lot of songs from musicals, including Chicago, Rent etc. I actually got an "honourable mention" at an esstedford a year or so ago for singing "Mr Cellophane".That's awesome. That's the one i'm always singing! :)

And by "try" I mean I write things but I never finish them because I don't particularly like what I've written. I can come up with relatively good melodies, and I can write poems + prose, but for some reason when it comes to writing a song, I just can't make it perfect. I've got a bit of an emotional block when it comes to my music. Fear of failure: Don't you just love it? :(Pretty much the second thing i'd mentioned. Me too.
The only versions of my songs that i let anyone hear is the first drafts that i do without messing with them, since i'm never really sure how many permeations they'll take and what my final decision(s) will be.
I know EXACTLY what you mean by "perfect", which is why i do that, i think. *consoles*

I've been told to just cut loose and record everything when i'm not trying. What's unfortunate about that is the "abandon" i achieve in that is the exact opposite of what i want to record. That's why i end up playing live a lot more than i do recording.
From what i hear so far from you, though, you do awesome. :)