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Medvedev easily wins Russian Presidency

Bann-ed
03-03-2008, 05:01
They have elections in the USSR!?!?
New Manvir
03-03-2008, 05:07
Vladimir Putin's choice of successor, Dimitry Medvedev won an easy victory in Russia's Presidential Elections

Link (http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL0365077420080303)

MOSCOW, March 3 (Reuters) - Russia's next president Dmitry Medvedev pledged to uphold Vladimir Putin's policies on Monday after easily winning an election critics said was stage-managed to let the outgoing Kremlin leader keep his grip on power.

Displaying the double act that will be at the helm in Russia, Medvedev's first public appearance after results were released was to stand side by side with his mentor Putin on stage at a victory concert in Red Square.

Medvedev...has asked former KGB spy Putin to be his prime minister.

Many Russians are enjoying the benefits of the biggest economic boom in a generation -- fuelled largely by oil exports -- and they see Medvedev as the natural heir to Putin and the best chance of hanging on to their new-found prosperity.

"I think (my presidency) will be a direct continuation," said Medvedev, referring to Putin's eight years in office -- a period marked by a concentration of power in the Kremlin and a willingness to stand up to the West on foreign policy.

With nearly all the votes counted, Medvedev had just over 70 percent of the vote. His nearest rival, Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov, had 17.91 percent. Voter turnout was 67.7 percent, the Election Commission said at one stage during the count.

Kremlin opponents called Sunday's election a one-sided farce after Medvedev won by the huge margin without even taking part in a single campaign debate.

But the former law professor who has spent most of his working life in Putin's shadow made clear he would not let his powerful prime minister encroach on his authority.
Sel Appa
03-03-2008, 05:13
This hasn't been posted already...?

It's a shame all the parties have been reduced to crap. The West got what it wanted...
Bann-ed
03-03-2008, 05:16
No Russia...If they were having elections in the USSR Ivan Drago would win a landslide

Because after he punched Mount Elbrus he would be the only survivor of said landslide.
Fleckenstein
03-03-2008, 05:16
No Russia...If they were having elections in the USSR Ivan Drago would win a landslide

"If he loses the election, he dies."
United Chicken Kleptos
03-03-2008, 05:17
Elections? In Russia? Pfft.
New Manvir
03-03-2008, 05:19
They have elections in the USSR!?!?

No Russia...If they were having elections in the USSR Ivan Drago would win a landslide
Knights of Liberty
03-03-2008, 05:20
Im sure it wasnt fixed:rolleyes:
Barringtonia
03-03-2008, 05:22
"I think (my presidency) will be a direct continuation,"

Hey Medvedev, everyone thinks your presidency will be a direct continuation.

Over time, I wouldn't be surprised if his name evolves into Medveputin. Medputinev to Putinmed and then just Putin for short.
Telesha
03-03-2008, 05:23
Im sure it wasnt fixed:rolleyes:

Scary part is, sarcasm aside, it probably wasn't.
Privatised Gaols
03-03-2008, 05:27
For the love of God, I hope the West keeps its fucking mouth shut. Fair or not, this election is none of our business. Things are tense enough with Moscow as it is; we don't need our brainless politicians fucking things up even further.
New Manvir
03-03-2008, 05:34
Im sure it wasnt fixed:rolleyes:

of course not, Russia is shining beacon of Democracy for the rest of the World
Zilam
03-03-2008, 06:35
In soviet russia, russian presidency...elects you? :p
Dododecapod
03-03-2008, 07:32
In soviet russia, russian presidency...elects you? :p

In Soviet Russia, Russian Presidency Eats you!
Soheran
03-03-2008, 07:33
Fuck, someone needs to start a credible opposition party in Russia.
Greal
03-03-2008, 09:41
Not surprising,

I doubt there will be elections in Russia in the future. :D
Shofercia
03-03-2008, 09:54
I love the American Media; they focus on the candidate, not the policies. It's too bad Russian media actually focuses on the policies, not the candidate. Maybe that's why the Russian Gov't. is actually good for Russia, you know they stabilized the country, stabilized the Caucasian region, shot up the Russian economy, solved the Russian demographic crises, produced an athletic program for the country and raised the national spirit.

Since the American media bluntly refuses to talk about Medvedev's (or Bush's) credentials, let me inform you on why Medvedev won, the umm, actual reasons: He got a PhD from Leningrad University (Russian equivalent of Columbia,) with a dissertation of "Проблемы реализации гражданской правосубъектности государственного предприятия" or "Problems with realisign the civilian rights of government corporations" not an easy thesis to do in Russia, especially in 1990, when he did it. He was a student-athlete, winning a heavy-weight medal. His dissertation was so damn good, that he was allowed to teach to students at the prestigious Leningrad University. He served as one of the understudies of Leningrad's Mayor, Sobchak, where he met Putin. Medvedev easily got along with everyone and had no enemies. Seeing his talent, Putin (assistant to Sobchak at the time) decided to have Medvedev on board as his economic advisor.

In 2002, he became the Russian equivalent of the CEO of Gazprom. The company's profits under him skyrocket, and most American Mutual Funds believe that Gazprom is one of the most profitable long-term mutual fund investments. Personally I made a 40% profit on Gazprom stocks in six months, and I live in the US. All I did was click-buy, click-sell. Why sell? Need money for law school, duh, but I digress.

After becoming Russia's most succesful economist, Medvedev was given a place in Putin's cabinet in 2005. He re-invigorated the entire economy of Russia, encourage small-private investors and deleting all of the red tape. Thus Putin's choice was between Medvedev and Ivanov, (economy and defense). Since Putin actually listens to experts and thinks before he acts, he did a poll, and after finding out that economy (not the New Cold War as certain morons would have you believe) was the major issue for Russians, asked his party (United Russia) to support Medvedev's Candidacy.

So to recap here with Medvedev's Americanized Credentials:

Good relations with power elite
PhD Columbia
Taught at Columbia
Understudy to mayor of Los Angeles - all proposed programs a success!
CEO of Google
Secretary of Treasury - all policies a success
Encouraged small private enterprized growth, trimmed beuaracracy
Lowered tax rates to 13%

Geez, I honestly can't see why someone would vote for Medvedev, Bush was certainly better with his credentials.
Shofercia
03-03-2008, 09:55
Not surprising,

I doubt there will be elections in Russia in the future. :D

I can bet you $50,000 that Russia will have elections in 2012. Wanna take the bet?
Shofercia
03-03-2008, 09:58
For the love of God, I hope the West keeps its fucking mouth shut. Fair or not, this election is none of our business. Things are tense enough with Moscow as it is; we don't need our brainless politicians fucking things up even further.

The West not pissing others off? Oh come on, why do you think the Washington Post exists? It's sole purpose is to publish bullshit articles and recieve letters to the editor from various ambassadors, asking them to either apologize or back off of their claims.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
03-03-2008, 14:02
They have elections in the USSR!?!?

Of course they do. Now, at least. And if recollection serves me well, it's no longer the USSR.
Laerod
03-03-2008, 14:16
Im sure it wasnt fixed:rolleyes:Depends on your definiton of "fixed". If that only refers to a preset percentage that Medvedyev was to receive, then no. In all likelyhood, even if the election had been fair, Medvedyev would likely have won anyway. But it wasn't: Some localized fraud most likely happened, voters were pressured into voting for Medvedyev by their bosses/officers, opposition candidates (not all, but a bunch) were disqualified under dubious circumstances, and Medvedyev holds a monopoly on media presence.
Rambhutan
03-03-2008, 16:17
Congrats Putin...I mean Medvedev. NOT!!

I say rigged.

Well it is not like he is the son of a previous President.
Corneliu 2
03-03-2008, 16:18
Congrats Putin...I mean Medvedev. NOT!!

I say rigged.
Nipeng
03-03-2008, 16:28
let me inform you on why Medvedev won, the umm, actual reasons:
You are either sadly misinformed or on a Russian government payroll. The sole reason Medvedev won was because he was selected by Putin to be the next president. He may have impressive credentials (although making Gazprom revenues skyrocket when the oil prices continued to rise is hardly an achievement in itself), but if Putin wanted, he could have had an slavering idiot elected president of Russia, if only the candidate could be trained to keep his mouth shut before the cameras.
The way the campaign was handled, there was absoutely no chance for the Puting nominee to lose the elections (which I believe to be mostly fair). Putin and his cronies are doing damn fine job keeping the people of Russia in the dark about what is really going on in their country.
Corneliu 2
03-03-2008, 16:40
Well it is not like he is the son of a previous President.

At least our elections weren't rigged.
Lunatic Goofballs
03-03-2008, 16:49
Fuck, someone needs to start a credible opposition party in Russia.

That kind of talk is a great way to get a radioactive isotope in your yogurt. :p
Rambhutan
03-03-2008, 16:51
At least our elections weren't rigged.

True, even Florida seems competent at running elections when compared to Russia's rather dubious track record.
Knights of Liberty
03-03-2008, 17:21
Fuck, someone needs to start a credible opposition party in Russia.

There was until Putin had them all jailed.
Tragedys Kyss
03-03-2008, 17:31
Just a thought: Have any of you actually looked at what Putin and Medvedev have done for Russia? They have brought it out of what had seemed to most to be the worst era in Russia since the last Czar. The economy of Russia is beginning to climb exponentially, and the people, while it seems they have less freedom, feel safe in their country, which they haven't in a long time.

When compared to the US, their leader(s) is a much better candidate than the idiot who is in office here.
Eofaerwic
03-03-2008, 17:35
At least our elections weren't rigged.

Hmmmm, I have heard some people (of varying credibility) claim differently about Flordia in 2000.
Greal
04-03-2008, 02:58
I can bet you $50,000 that Russia will have elections in 2012. Wanna take the bet?

No thanks :D

well, seems like another Putin puppet will be in.
Tmutarakhan
04-03-2008, 03:17
Hmmmm, I have heard some people (of varying credibility) claim differently about Flordia in 2000.
And about 2004.
Neo Art
04-03-2008, 03:47
I so read this as "Medivh easily wins russian presidency"
Melphi
04-03-2008, 04:28
And about 2004.

and about every other election ever held....
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 05:20
You are either sadly misinformed or on a Russian government payroll. The sole reason Medvedev won was because he was selected by Putin to be the next president. He may have impressive credentials (although making Gazprom revenues skyrocket when the oil prices continued to rise is hardly an achievement in itself), but if Putin wanted, he could have had an slavering idiot elected president of Russia, if only the candidate could be trained to keep his mouth shut before the cameras.
The way the campaign was handled, there was absoutely no chance for the Puting nominee to lose the elections (which I believe to be mostly fair). Putin and his cronies are doing damn fine job keeping the people of Russia in the dark about what is really going on in their country.

If you can't attack the post, you attack the poster. That's a very well known tactic used by Fox News to get us into the Iraq War, you know where you were either pro-war on Unpatriotic. Now if I question the media's idiotic judgement on Medvedev, apparently I'm on Kremlin's payroll. I'm a Californian investing in Russia and making money off of it. Putin could've picked an idiot, but he didn't now, did he? Or are you one of those people that speculate and write "what if?" history. And Medvedev is more experienced in economic terms then virtually any other Russian politician, period. So it makes perfect sense that he got elected, and I'm thrilled to have him elected and if you knew anything about the Russian state and economy, you'd be thrilled to have him elected too. That is unless you are of course brainwashed by Fox News into thinking Medvedev was hand-picked by Putin. Newsflash: If United Russia was against Medvedev, he wouldn't have gotten their nomination. That's why Zubkov didn't get the nomination. Get educated before attacking others, otherwise you look like a dolt. Just saying.
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 05:22
Congrats Putin...I mean Medvedev. NOT!!

I say rigged.

Medvedev is very sad that he does not get your respect. In fact I heard that he's crying at the moment, going: "Why can't Corneliu respect me? Why?!"
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 05:24
That kind of talk is a great way to get a radioactive isotope in your yogurt. :p

Litvenenko was KGB. He prolly got killed by KGB. If KGB kills KGB Rogues, who gives a shit? Oh right, Lunatics do....
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 05:29
No thanks :D

well, seems like another Putin puppet will be in.

Why not? Are you afraid that Russia's not a dictatorship like you love to believe? All talk and no action, huh? Like what do you call them, a chicken-hawk? If you studied Medvedev's track record, you'd know that he's a lot more then a "puppet" becuase it was Medvedev's economic plan that got accepted by the Russian Gov't, not Putin's. Since when do puppets run economic policies of their countries? Also, I have yet to see anyone post anything about how Putin broke any rules outlined in the Russian Constitution. And Kasparov, honestly, is a joke. Nobody likes him. Russians in the US, (the ones who could vote and had free media) in the 2007 Duma election voted 45% for United Russia (pro-Putin) more then anyone and less then 1% for Kasparov. Did KGB rig these results too? Or was the American coverage of those elections biased? Remember these are people living in the US.
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 05:31
And about 2004.

When the Supreme Court elects a president it's Democratic. When the people select the president, if they are Russian it's undemocratic. Why don't you understand?


BTW, as per people forced to vote, did you know that Australia has compulsory voting?
Andaluciae
04-03-2008, 05:32
Polonium: Date rape for necrophiliacs.
Lunatic Goofballs
04-03-2008, 05:43
Litvenenko was KGB. He prolly got killed by KGB. If KGB kills KGB Rogues, who gives a shit? Oh right, Lunatics do....

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-005.gif
Callisdrun
04-03-2008, 05:57
Im sure it wasnt fixed:rolleyes:

In Soviet Russia... elections fix you!
Callisdrun
04-03-2008, 06:00
When the Supreme Court elects a president it's Democratic. When the people select the president, if they are Russian it's undemocratic. Why don't you understand?


BTW, as per people forced to vote, did you know that Australia has compulsory voting?

This is a common fallacy. US being undemocratic doesn't make Russia democratic or free. It just means the US also has things to be ashamed of.
Andaras
04-03-2008, 06:20
Actually I congratulate my Ruski friends, they are obviously able to rig an election far more effectively than the GOP, who have to revert to crude tactics such as vote caging, faulty machines and electoral colleges, things which attract pesky media attention.
Copiosa Scotia
04-03-2008, 06:38
Polonium: Date rape for necrophiliacs.

Oh, well played. :D
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 06:48
In Soviet Russia... elections fix you!

The Soviet Union is still alive?! Didn't it like crash in the 1990's and dissolved into several countries? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that the USSR is dead?
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 07:01
This is a common fallacy. US being undemocratic doesn't make Russia democratic or free. It just means the US also has things to be ashamed of.

Umm, re-read my post again please. I just love how everyone pretends that Putin's rolling back Democratic principles Russia never had in the first place. Like NTV, being portrayed as "Independent". Riiiiight. Yeltsin drove a tank through the Russian Parliament, yet most Western Powers didn't give a shit about it, but when Putin endorsed Medvedev, instantly that made the election corrupt.

This is from a country that the US thinks is Democratic (Esstonia):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOj15J0siR0

If Putin tried anything of the sort, it would be all over the news, but if our buddies do it, it's ok. And then we wonder why the rest of the World hates the US due to double-standards.
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 07:04
Actually I congratulate my Ruski friends, they are obviously able to rig an election far more effectively than the GOP, who have to revert to crude tactics such as vote caging, faulty machines and electoral colleges, things which attract pesky media attention.

I welcome you to prove that the elections were rigged. The TV coverage was unfair, true, but what elections are fairly covered by the TV? Name one country where TV gives fair coverage to all candidates. Not the US, here you have to be a Democrat or a Republican. Both Ron Paul and Mike Hackabee wanted to can the IRS, as a result they both got shitty media coverage "a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain" or "Ron Paul - the crazyman!". Aside from the unfair TV coverage, I welcome you to post any proof.
1010102
04-03-2008, 07:05
The Soviet Union is still alive?! Didn't it like crash in the 1990's and dissolved into several countries? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that the USSR is dead?

*tries to find that one simpson clip*
Callisdrun
04-03-2008, 10:04
The Soviet Union is still alive?! Didn't it like crash in the 1990's and dissolved into several countries? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that the USSR is dead?

There's this thing called a joke. When people make them, they are not entirely serious. You might want to read up on the concept some time.
Lunatic Goofballs
04-03-2008, 10:29
The Soviet Union is still alive?! Didn't it like crash in the 1990's and dissolved into several countries? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that the USSR is dead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff

In Soviet Russia, Joke gets YOU! :)
Nipeng
04-03-2008, 12:02
If you can't attack the post, you attack the poster.
Oh but I did attack your post too. And I did not really attack you, it is my considered opinion that you are sadly misinformed (rather than being on the Russian government payroll).

And Medvedev is more experienced in economic terms then virtually any other Russian politician, period. So it makes perfect sense that he got elected, and I'm thrilled to have him elected and if you knew anything about the Russian state and economy, you'd be thrilled to have him elected too.
I know a little bit about Russian state and its economy, living there for several years, visiting from time to time and having longtime Russian friends helps with that and with having an independent opinion. Were it not for the oil and gas money, the Russian economy would be in a sad shape. Luckily for them there is no end of the current oil crisis in sight.
Medvedev could be the world's greatest economy mind, but he will not be able to act freely. In Russia it's not about right on wrong, it's about the power. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I expect that it will show soon that Putin did not relinguish his control over Russia. And that's a Bad Thing, because his rule has taken Russia back in time, back into the era in which the corrupt bureaucracy was the ruling class of the empire.

That is unless you are of course brainwashed by Fox News into thinking Medvedev was hand-picked by Putin. Newsflash: If United Russia was against Medvedev, he wouldn't have gotten their nomination.
And of course the party can give or withdraw its support for a nominee independently from Putin's will. :rolleyes:
United Beleriand
04-03-2008, 12:28
how did he make it from tennis player to president ?? :p
Rambhutan
04-03-2008, 12:49
how did he make it from tennis player to president ?? :p

Impressive backhanders?
Laerod
04-03-2008, 13:37
And then we wonder why the rest of the World hates the US due to double-standards.Preach on, proud citizen of Gazpromland. Like it has been said before, the US sucks, but Russia sucks a bit more:

Haliburton and a bunch of other companies are profiting heavily from the current administration in the US. Gazprom, on the other hand, is the current administration in Russia.
We joke about Cheney moving his lips to Bush's speeches. Putin almost single-handedly delivered Medvedyev's victory speech after the election.
We allege vote fraud in Ohio and Florida, despite Bush inviting OECD inspectors for the second election. In Russia, the OECD didn't even bother showing up because Putin's been tossing obstacles in their way at every turn.
They've erected "Freedom of Speech Zones" around the White House to shield Bush from dissenting opinions. In Russia, they send the OMON to beat you up instead, if you don't get murdered by someone instead.
We decry that Bush has committed war crimes, whilst in Russia, someone wanted for murder in the UK is set up to profit from the anti-Western image his defiance represents during an election.


So forgive us if we hate Russia a wee bit more ;)
Corneliu 2
04-03-2008, 14:10
Hmmmm, I have heard some people (of varying credibility) claim differently about Flordia in 2000.

Not our fault that the fools in Florida can't read a ballot.
Corneliu 2
04-03-2008, 14:17
When the Supreme Court elects a president it's Democratic.

The courts did the right thing by stopping the recount because of not just deadlines but also because the recount was not being done in one way but in multiple ways. Besides that, the Florida Electoral Votes should have been thrown out in Congress.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2008, 14:33
Vladimir Putin... Putin... Putin... Putin... PUUUUTTTTTIIIIINNNNN!!! Heck, his name makes me wanna play with Play-doh for some reason:p. It also makes me think of Flubber in a disturbing sorta way...
Laerod
04-03-2008, 20:48
Vladimir Putin... Putin... Putin... Putin... PUUUUTTTTTIIIIINNNNN!!! Heck, his name makes me wanna play with Play-doh for some reason:p. It also makes me think of Flubber in a disturbing sorta way...Good thing you're not French. The pronunciation of the English spelling makes for hours of fun...
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2008, 20:52
Good thing you're not French. The pronunciation of the English spelling makes for hours of fun...

ROFL! If I'm not mistaken the pronuciation is like P-U-T-A-N, or at least that's the way it sounds in Spanish when a French speaks. P-U-T-A-N, like whore in Spanish, sans the N. LOL! Dismissed, agur!:D
Lunatic Goofballs
04-03-2008, 20:58
Putin on the Ritz!

http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/19/ritz2b.jpg
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 21:56
There's this thing called a joke. When people make them, they are not entirely serious. You might want to read up on the concept some time.

If you make a joke, at least have to decency to be original and have a mentality above Elementary School level. Then I'll respect it.
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 22:06
Oh but I did attack your post too. And I did not really attack you, it is my considered opinion that you are sadly misinformed (rather than being on the Russian government payroll).


I know a little bit about Russian state and its economy, living there for several years, visiting from time to time and having longtime Russian friends helps with that and with having an independent opinion. Were it not for the oil and gas money, the Russian economy would be in a sad shape. Luckily for them there is no end of the current oil crisis in sight.
Medvedev could be the world's greatest economy mind, but he will not be able to act freely. In Russia it's not about right on wrong, it's about the power. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I expect that it will show soon that Putin did not relinguish his control over Russia. And that's a Bad Thing, because his rule has taken Russia back in time, back into the era in which the corrupt bureaucracy was the ruling class of the empire.


And of course the party can give or withdraw its support for a nominee independently from Putin's will. :rolleyes:

Sorta did that to Zubkov, so apparently they can, considering they've already done it once. As per corrupt bureaucracy, Yeltsin wins that one hands down. Not even Stalin was dumb enough to hire mafiosos as chiefs of police. Umm, Scarface - NOT GUILTY! Reason: he's my buddy. You all have this talk about Putin taking Russia back in time, umm, when did Russia have Democracy again? Under Yeltsin when tanks drove at Parliament and Yeltsin fired on it? Talk about veto power - Nixon style. Or under Gorbachev where you were either pro-war or anti, period. Oh if you were anti, you umm had the KGB on your tail. Gorbachev did absolutely nothing for Democracy, but because he caused the USSR to fall apart, the West instantly hailed him as "Democratic Leader".

Also, the oil prices don't only affect Russia, and I don't see Saudi Arabia's or Iraq's economy booming. These nations benefit from oil raises too you know. Could the reason be, oh I don't know, maybe that Medvedev's economic policies actually work? BTW, Yeltsin rigged the elections, big time, and when Listev covered it, he got murdered by Yeltsin's right hand man. Did the West even bother reporting on it? Not really.

So now, when Russia has its first un-rigged elections, a move towards Democracy, what support does it get from the West? This isn't about Democracy, it's about power. Yeltsin and Gorbachev weakened Russia, so they're Democratic. Putin strenghtened Russia, so he's Stalinistic, it's as simple as that.
Shofercia
04-03-2008, 22:15
Preach on, proud citizen of Gazpromland. Like it has been said before, the US sucks, but Russia sucks a bit more:

Haliburton and a bunch of other companies are profiting heavily from the current administration in the US. Gazprom, on the other hand, is the current administration in Russia.
We joke about Cheney moving his lips to Bush's speeches. Putin almost single-handedly delivered Medvedyev's victory speech after the election.
We allege vote fraud in Ohio and Florida, despite Bush inviting OECD inspectors for the second election. In Russia, the OECD didn't even bother showing up because Putin's been tossing obstacles in their way at every turn.
They've erected "Freedom of Speech Zones" around the White House to shield Bush from dissenting opinions. In Russia, they send the OMON to beat you up instead, if you don't get murdered by someone instead.
We decry that Bush has committed war crimes, whilst in Russia, someone wanted for murder in the UK is set up to profit from the anti-Western image his defiance represents during an election.


So forgive us if we hate Russia a wee bit more ;)

The OMON part is really bullshit. You have no proof. If you do, I'd like to see it. Kasparov told his protestors (all of whom he paid with cash) to provoke an attack by the police so he could use it against Russia. His boss Berezovsky proudly made the statement that he spent $100 million defaming Russia. And aside from Berezovski groups, the OMON has yet to attack anyone, so again I welcome proof. There are millions of peaceful demonstrations in Russia, not a single one of those broken up by OMON, unless again it relates to Berezovski. So stop applying a single case to all demonstrations, that's an epic fail. And in Florida, the US Supreme Court elected the President.

"whilst in Russia, someone wanted for murder in the UK is set up to profit from the anti-Western image his defiance represents during an election."
As per Lugovoi, Litvenenko was killed because he was a KGB Rogue. KGB was always killing its rogues, only reason Litvenenko gets coverage is because Berezovski, (one of the Russian mafiosos Putin kicked out,) wants to make Putin look bad. Point is, if you're not in a secret service, you don't need to worry about Litvenenko, it won't apply to you.

And just for the record, Medvedev isn't president yet; wait until he actually becomes president, two months, and then see who delivers his speeches.

As per Halliburton vs. Gazprom: through invading countries and US laws, Halliburton takes the money that American taxpayers give to the government, and places that in their own pockets. The tax in Russia is 13%. If US tax was that low, I'd have no problem with Halliburton.
Lixbon
04-03-2008, 22:17
For the love of God, I hope the West keeps its fucking mouth shut. Fair or not, this election is none of our business. Things are tense enough with Moscow as it is; we don't need our brainless politicians fucking things up even further.

"brainless politicians", master sentence...
Callisdrun
05-03-2008, 01:12
If you make a joke, at least have to decency to be original and have a mentality above Elementary School level. Then I'll respect it.

Wasn't aiming for respect. The others thought it was funny. You didn't. Not my fault your sense of humor sucks.

"Waaah, Callisdrun made an insensitive joke about mah precious Russia! Waaahhh"

It is also notable that you criticize for lack of originality while using a comeback from the dawn of time. "You made a joke that I'm too uptight to enjoy, so I'm going to say you're acting younger than you are!"

If you're going to knock someone for saying something less than unique, at least have the decency to be original yourself.
Llewdor
05-03-2008, 01:21
Medvedev even received a celebrity endorsement...

...from General Mikhail Kalashnikov.

Now that's a guy whose fame is warranted.
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05-03-2008, 01:41
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
05-03-2008, 01:46
ROFL. I love how it says New York City at the bottom....

And a Vodka Poker night too.:D
Shofercia
05-03-2008, 01:49
Wasn't aiming for respect. The others thought it was funny. You didn't. Not my fault your sense of humor sucks.

"Waaah, Callisdrun made an insensitive joke about mah precious Russia! Waaahhh"

It is also notable that you criticize for lack of originality while using a comeback from the dawn of time. "You made a joke that I'm too uptight to enjoy, so I'm going to say you're acting younger than you are!"

If you're going to knock someone for saying something less than unique, at least have the decency to be original yourself.


You joke wasn't incensitive, it was just old, older then McCain. "Why junior, in mah day, that joke was funny, yessiree and in mah day, we were suprised by that thing called electricity and in mah day...." Get with the times, it's 2008. Just saying...
Shofercia
05-03-2008, 01:51
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ROFL. I love how it says New York City at the bottom....
Lunatic Goofballs
05-03-2008, 03:28
If you make a joke, at least have to decency to be original and have a mentality above Elementary School level. Then I'll respect it.

But you couldn't even get that. You have to crawl before you can walk, son. :)
Bann-ed
05-03-2008, 03:47
But you couldn't even get that. You have to crawl before you can walk, son. :)

But first you have to get squished out of a relatively small aperture in a rather messy process. If he doesn't have a sense of humour after going through that.. well, he is probbaly still in the womb. :p
Shofercia
05-03-2008, 07:24
;)But first you have to get squished out of a relatively small aperture in a rather messy process. If he doesn't have a sense of humour after going through that.. well, he is probbaly still in the womb. :p


Now that joke I liked, that was original ;) Look, I'm sorry if I was a poor sport, but after hearing the "in Soviet Russia, milk drink you" jokes for about 10,000 times, they stopped being funny. I don't care if you make jokes about Russia, just be original, or is that a bit too much to ask for from the Idiocracy crowd :rolleyes:?
Privatised Gaols
05-03-2008, 08:03
*sigh*

I guess they won't (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12462) shut the fuck up, after all. :(
Sedulion
05-03-2008, 08:16
Well, Putin's policies are the best policies for a strong Russia, and a strong Russia is what the world needs. They are actually more economically powerful now than they were as the USSR, so it's surprising people don't consider Russia a superpower. I do, and I think at least 30% of Russians do as well.
Laerod
05-03-2008, 13:55
The OMON part is really bullshit. You have no proof. If you do, I'd like to see it. Video at the bottom of this link. (http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/russland108.html) Pictures speak for themselves. If I'm not much mistaken, the text under the body armor is OMON.
Kasparov told his protestors (all of whom he paid with cash) to provoke an attack by the police so he could use it against Russia. Proof?
His boss Berezovsky proudly made the statement that he spent $100 million defaming Russia. Proof?
And aside from Berezovski groups, the OMON has yet to attack anyone, so again I welcome proof. Proof?
There are millions of peaceful demonstrations in Russia, not a single one of those broken up by OMON, unless again it relates to Berezovski. Proof of these millions of peaceful protests?
So stop applying a single case to all demonstrations, that's an epic fail. And in Florida, the US Supreme Court elected the President. As opposed to Russian courts that kick out any real opposition to Medvedyev :rolleyes:
"whilst in Russia, someone wanted for murder in the UK is set up to profit from the anti-Western image his defiance represents during an election."
As per Lugovoi, Litvenenko was killed because he was a KGB Rogue. I'm sure him being critical of Putin had nothing to do with it :rolleyes:
KGB was always killing its rogues, only reason Litvenenko gets coverage is because Berezovski, (one of the Russian mafiosos Putin kicked out,) wants to make Putin look bad. Point is, if you're not in a secret service, you don't need to worry about Litvenenko, it won't apply to you. Murder, if I'm not much mistaken, is still illegal in the United Kingdom. Claiming that the United Kingdom should not deal with it is ludicrous.
And just for the record, Medvedev isn't president yet; wait until he actually becomes president, two months, and then see who delivers his speeches.His own victory speech? Is Putin going to be holding his hand every time they cross Red Square to get to the Kremlin?
As per Halliburton vs. Gazprom: through invading countries and US laws, Halliburton takes the money that American taxpayers give to the government, and places that in their own pockets. The tax in Russia is 13%. If US tax was that low, I'd have no problem with Halliburton.Relevance?
Laerod
05-03-2008, 14:01
Well, Putin's policies are the best policies for a strong Russia, and a strong Russia is what the world needs. Incorrect. The "strong" bit is entirely neutral and of precious little consequence to the needs of the world. A strong and kind-hearted Russia is what the world needs. A strong and asshole Russia, as it currently is under Putin, is not.
Communist WorkersParty
05-03-2008, 15:05
The problem with this entire election is it WAS fixed.
There were not only rumors,but factual statements made by the candidacy of the other parties that,(I have no proof,nore do I see the need to waste my time trying to find it,you people can think what you want,you'lle figure it out later.)candidates on opposing parties were denied air time on TV and were also denied the access to recreation/municiple halls in which to hold their gatherings. Why? Because authorities and other entities threatened the owners of the halls with possible reprocussions.
As for Kasparov,the charges were not false. However,I'm sure his charges would have never be brought to light if he hadn't run for president. And none of you in here can give me the "Why didn't the other parties get the boot"
Because I don't think Putin was worried about the Communist party going back into office because of the Soviet Union's reputation through the years.
Even though the elections were rigged,they were rigged for good reason IMO.
Putin has done wonders for Russia,he's stabalized the economy,even built upon it,he's putting that miserable,beady eyed war-mongering moron (Bush) in his place. He's given the people something to believe in,a reason to say "I love my country." And if Medvedev is going to persue the same course,I'd vote for him even if the elections weren't rigged,and I am communist!
Also want to touch apon the United States's involvement.
It's very laughable,who gives a crap what the United States thinks about Russia's elections? It's none of Washington's buisness what goes on in Moscow. The reason why the United States is up in arms over this is because Bush wants every country on earth under his thumb. He wants a "United States of the World" That and he's afraid of another Big Bad USSR threatening poor little United States with nukes again. Bullocks... Personally,I side with Putin over the issue,not because I am native Russian,but because I like his policies,and I said before,if Medvedev is going the same route,then good on him.
Another thing on the fixed elections part,when was the last time we elected an honest politician? When it comes to a race between two political parties,of course they will do everything possible to get into a position of power,lie,cheat,steal,throw people in jail,poisen their Wheaties with radioactive material,I wouldan't put it past any politician in ANY government in the world to do this. They are politicians after all.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
05-03-2008, 15:06
The problem with this entire election is it WAS fixed.
There were not only rumors,but factual statements made by the candidacy of the other parties that,(I have no proof,nore do I see the need to waste my time trying to find it,you people can think what you want,you'lle figure it out later.)candidates on opposing parties were denied air time on TV and were also denied the access to recreation/municiple halls in which to hold their gatherings. Why? Because authorities and other entities threatened the owners of the halls with possible reprocussions.
As for Kasparov,the charges were not false. However,I'm sure his charges would have never be brought to light if he hadn't run for president. And none of you in here can give me the "Why didn't the other parties get the boot"
Because I don't think Putin was worried about the Communist party going back into office because of the Soviet Union's reputation through the years.
Even though the elections were rigged,they were rigged for good reason IMO.
Putin has done wonders for Russia,he's stabalized the economy,even built upon it,he's putting that miserable,beady eyed war-mongering moron (Bush) in his place. He's given the people something to believe in,a reason to say "I love my country." And if Medvedev is going to persue the same course,I'd vote for him even if the elections weren't rigged,and I am communist!
Also want to touch apon the United States's involvement.
It's very laughable,who gives a crap what the United States thinks about Russia's elections? It's none of Washington's buisness what goes on in Moscow. The reason why the United States is up in arms over this is because Bush wants every country on earth under his thumb. He wants a "United States of the World" That and he's afraid of another Big Bad USSR threatening poor little United States with nukes again. Bullocks... Personally,I side with Putin over the issue,not because I am native Russian,but because I like his policies,and I said before,if Medvedev is going the same route,then good on him.
Another thing on the fixed elections part,when was the last time we elected an honest politician? When it comes to a race between two political parties,of course they will do everything possible to get into a position of power,lie,cheat,steal,throw people in jail,poisen their Wheaties with radioactive material,I wouldan't put it past any politician in ANY government in the world to do this. They are politicians after all.

Leave the Putin alone!!:D