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My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?Any links?

Again, communist revolution by way of parental rebellion. Dime a dozen.


School chaplains are fine as long as they don't violate the constitution.

Schools should teach gun safety before they worry about religious silliness though.
Lol, I've never read the Constitution.

Again, communist revolution by way of parental rebellion. Dime a dozen.


School chaplains are fine as long as they don't violate the constitution.

Schools should teach gun safety before they worry about religious silliness though.

Where can I get a job as an atheist chaplain?

Lol, I've never read the Constitution.

You live in America right? and how old are?

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?

If one religion is allowed to be present in the school, all should be allowed.
Very simple.

Personally I am in favour of making religion 12 or even 16+ though.

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes)Awesome - do they know that you're a Red or are you in the closet?

Awesome - do they know that you're a Red or are you in the closet?
Lol, I am bit past that man, my parents don't even bother to try to argue with me because their so easy to refute. But yeah I have been a DSP member for like 2 years now and they know.

You live in America right? and how old are?
No I don't, and if you tried to read the Australian constitution you wouldn't find it interesting either;).

No I don't, and if you tried to read the Australian constitution you wouldn't find it interesting either;).

So your government doesn't make you study the principle document of your nation in school? Huh. America or atleast Minnesotta makes you take a class where you study the government and the American politcal system.

So your government doesn't make you study the principle document of your nation in school? Huh. America or atleast Minnesotta makes you take a class where you study the government and the American politcal system.
Oh I believe I read it a few years ago, but it's not a Constitution in the way Americans think of them.

If one religion is allowed to be present in the school, all should be allowed.
Very simple.

Personally I am in favour of making religion 12 or even 16+ though.

But..but..but that's a reasonable solution! We can't have that! What will we do for conflict?!

But..but..but that's a reasonable solution! We can't have that! What will we do for conflict?!

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!

*enjoys being a heathen*

mmmmm... who knew being a heathen could taste sooooo gooooooood?

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!

Can't we all just get along?

*Cue corny inspirational music*

Deep dish, or thin crust, living together with out a care
Canadian Bacon, or peperoni, peppers or suasage
Living hand in hand, eating in peace and harmony
In peace and Harmony

(Yes I know my song writing is horrid. If you are offended, that your problem)

*enjoys being a heathen*

mmmmm... who knew being a heathen could taste sooooo gooooooood?

Pastafarians ?

Why do schools need chaplains?

Why do schools need chaplains?
Not my question to answer, but from my own experience I went to Catholic schools all my life and we had Chaplains, and not once did they try to push or even mention religious issues, they were more like life-counselors or psychiatrists with the 'moral presence' of being a religious person.

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!

mmmmm..... heathens. I mean pizza... *looks around nervously while backing slowly out of the room*

Why do schools need chaplains?

Counseling after traumatic events, eg. family issues, after a shooting (God forbid), etc. Just my thought.

Counseling after traumatic events, eg. family issues, after a shooting (God forbid), etc. Just my thought.So what schools need are counselors. But why religious staff?

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!
I REJECT THIN CRUST PIZZA!!!! DEEP DISH IS THE TRUE WAY!!!

DEEP DISH is the way, the truth, and the life! No one comes to the Stomach except DEEP DISH!

DEEP DISH!!!

I REJECT THIN CRUST PIZZA!!!! DEEP DISH IS THE TRUE WAY!!!

DEEP DISH is the way, the truth, and the life! No one comes to the Stomach except DEEP DISH!

DEEP DISH!!!

Can't we all just get along?

*Cue corny inspirational music*

Deep dish, or thin crust, living together with out a care
Canadian Bacon, or peperoni, peppers or suasage
Living hand in hand, eating in peace and harmony
In peace and Harmony

(Yes I know my song writing is horrid. If you are offended, that your problem)

Pastafarians ?

mmmmm..... heathens. I mean pizza... *looks around nervously while backing slowly out of the room*

I tell you, THIN CRUST PIZZA is the only way, and DEEP DISH is for heathens. HEATHENS!!!!

*enjoys being a heathen*

mmmmm... who knew being a heathen could taste sooooo gooooooood?

You're all wrong! Stuffed Crust Pizza is the ONLY way to TRUE HAPPINESS!

of course the only rational answer is to invite a crazy hobo into every school to set up his own twisted cult :)

think of all the money it would save if the kids are the ones paying the guy!

Why do schools need chaplains?

because Australia hasn't caught up with the rest of the planet yet?

You're all wrong! Stuffed Crust Pizza is the ONLY way to TRUE HAPPINESS!

I was just about to proclaim the exact same thing

Why do schools need chaplains?

Because otherwise, finals time, too many students haven't got a prayer.:p

You're all wrong! Stuffed Crust Pizza is the ONLY way to TRUE HAPPINESS!

BLASPHEMY!!!

So your government doesn't make you study the principle document of your nation in school? Huh. America or atleast Minnesotta makes you take a class where you study the government and the American politcal system.
We don't in the UK either. It's taken me all the way to degree level to even have the 1707 Act of Union mentioned, albeit in passing. I coluld have chosen Politics and Government at A level, but that's optional, and I foolishly went for biology. There's no compulsory education of the British political system and history, however. It would be interesting to see how different it is in Scotland, I left before the Scottish Parliament came in.

And chaplains (and organised religion - you hear me, Brown?) don't have a place in school. Along with organised prayer, which I was forced to undergo in a supposedly secular state school.

And chaplains (and organised religion - you hear me, Brown?) don't have a place in school. Along with organised prayer, which I was forced to undergo in a supposedly secular state school.

Why supposedly secular ? The UK has no official seperation of church and state. You even forfeit any right to the throne if you are Roman Catholic.

Where can I get a job as an atheist chaplain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqVVENiY2c

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqVVENiY2c

:)

I want Hitchens.

Our school chaplain was a very nice and very committed lady from Ghana or some other African country. No idea which branch of Christianity she was into, but I don't think it mattered much. I never exchanged a word with her and I never saw her do anything concerning any particular religion. She was involved in doing stuff for the Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_Clubs_International), did various BBQs and so on, helped in the productions for the Drama and Dance students and provided help with emotional issues etc, but I only ever heard of those do-goodie kids going for that (and they're all Christians anyways).

I basically see no reason why someone from a different religion couldn't have played the same role, or indeed someone with no particular affiliation. So I think "School Chaplains" should be chosen by personal qualification and no other criteria.

Our school chaplain was a very nice and very committed lady from Ghana or some other African country. No idea which branch of Christianity she was into, but I don't think it mattered much. I never exchanged a word with her and I never saw her do anything concerning any particular religion. She was involved in doing stuff for the Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_Clubs_International), did various BBQs and so on, helped in the productions for the Drama and Dance students and provided help with emotional issues etc, but I only ever heard of those do-goodie kids going for that (and they're all Christians anyways).

I basically see no reason why someone from a different religion couldn't have played the same role, or indeed someone with no particular affiliation. So I think "School Chaplains" should be chosen by personal qualification and no other criteria.

A nonreligious chaplain seems like an oxymoron to me. Why not just call them counselors?

BLASPHEMY!!!
how about: a deepdish crust stuffed pizza?

A nonreligious chaplain seems like an oxymoron to me. Why not just call them counselors?
Because then we'd get angry parents turning up at the school with cardboard signs. :p

Because then we'd get angry parents turning up at the school with cardboard signs. :p

True, but you'd get a lot more sign-waving parents arriving if they found out that their childrens' supposed 'chaplain' was - gasp - an atheist. :eek: They'd feel cheated. With the title of 'counselor' it doesn't seem so bad.

how about: a deepdish crust stuffed pizza?
Whatever, I just wanted to warm up the debate.

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?

they are right. it does "open the floodgates for those muslims" to come in as school chaplains. and any other denomination that a qualified person might come from--roman catholic, hindu, buddhist, animist, eastern orthodox, druids, wiccans and dozens of others that dont spring to my mind.

what is the point of having school chaplains anyway?

what is the point of having school chaplains anyway?

Emergency food supply in times of famine or war.

Emergency food supply in times of famine or war.

wow. y'all think of everything!

did they have them during the blitz?

Not my question to answer, but from my own experience I went to Catholic schools all my life and we had Chaplains, and not once did they try to push or even mention religious issues, they were more like life-counselors or psychiatrists with the 'moral presence' of being a religious person.

We'd expect a certain amount of religious instruction and the need for a chaplain in a religious private school, here in the United States of America, but the idea of them being in a government run school would be just absurd here.

Because otherwise, finals time, too many students haven't got a prayer.:p

Yes... apparently some have not mastered the application of buttocks to chair in front of BOOKS.... but they've got Halo 3 down pat.

Emergency food supply in times of famine or war.

I think you're taking that "this is my body and my blood; take, eat of it, all of you.... do it in remembrance of me..." thing FAR too seriously.

I think you're taking that "this is my body and my blood; take, eat of it, all of you.... do it in remembrance of me..." thing FAR too seriously.

Can't help it - I am a fundamentalist ;)

Still, I am curious to hear what the Aussies are going to do to keep their Chaplains but disallow counselors from other faiths.

Yes... apparently some have not mastered the application of buttocks to chair in front of BOOKS.... but they've got Halo 3 down pat.

if only it was possible to combine the two... I wonder how mice and men the game would turn out

you could pet the enemy's hair :)

if only it was possible to combine the two... I wonder how mice and men the game would turn out

you could pet the enemy's hair :)

And blow your buddy's brains out at the end.

Awesome - do they know that you're a Red or are you in the closet?

Hmmm?

What's all that about the middle states bragging about being Red States?

Our School had a Minister, now we have a Vicar. Doesn't make any difference. The Christians are still marginalised and Holy Week is still school time.

Where can I get a job as an atheist chaplain?

I'm applying for the Agnostic position. Maybe we could share an office.

The Christians are still marginalised
How, exactly?

Your school has a Christian preacher, and I highly doubt it has a rabbi, imam, Vestal Virgin, or any other expresser of faith. So how are Christians marginalised at your school?

and Holy Week is still school time.
And?

Unless you’re attending/sending your children to a Christian-run school, what else do you expect?

Our School had a Minister, now we have a Vicar. Doesn't make any difference. The Christians are still marginalised and Holy Week is still school time.

Is sunday ?

Why supposedly secular ? The UK has no official seperation of church and state. You even forfeit any right to the throne if you are Roman Catholic.
I meant secular in contrast to officially religious 'faith schools' and some City academies. Technically, every state school, by law, has to engage in some form of collective Christian worship unless the parents opts out.

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?

I think:
1. The "angry Christians" are ignorant.
2. Your parents (and any other "angry Christian" parents) should have sent you to a private Christian school if they wanted you to get a "Christian" education.
3. Religion should be kept out of public schools, except maybe for in Philosophy classes or classes (perhaps History) that teach children about all different kinds of religion.

Our School had a Minister, now we have a Vicar. Doesn't make any difference. The Christians are still marginalised and Holy Week is still school time.

The Christians are marginalised? How so?

If you want a Christian education, go to a Christian school.

I think:
1. The "angry Christians" are ignorant.
2. Your parents (and any other "angry Christian" parents) should have sent you to a private Christian school if they wanted you to get a "Christian" education.
3. Religion should be kept out of public schools, except maybe for in Philosophy classes or classes (perhaps History) that teach children about all different kinds of religion.
Lol, I went to a catholic school for my entire education, and I spose latently they were hoping I would turn out as a Christian, but the fact is that Catholic schools in Australia are exactly the same as public ones except with better buildings, equipment etc, I mean seriously in college religion classes I learnt about Islam and Buddhism, nothing Christian. We also had to see the school chaplain (a father) every so often, but yeah nothing religious ever mentioned.

Not to sound offensive, but the Catholics don't worry me, it's only if the fundamentalist styled evangelicals get in that they will push religion to kids. And believe me I know they will if given the chance.

The Christians are marginalised? How so?

If you want a Christian education, go to a Christian school.

Catholic schools don't push religion at all, because their becoming so mainstream they wouldn't dare. The only Christian schools that push it these days are those evangelical style Madrassas that exist on the fringe.

Lol, I went to a catholic school for my entire education, and I spose latently they were hoping I would turn out as a Christian, but the fact is that Catholic schools in Australia are exactly the same as public ones except with better buildings, equipment etc, I mean seriously in college religion classes I learnt about Islam and Buddhism, nothing Christian. We also had to see the school chaplain (a father) every so often, but yeah nothing religious ever mentioned.

I live in Australia, and I've been to both a private Protestant school, and a public school. At the Christian school religion wasn't pushed heavily, but we had to go to Chapel every week and take two Christian Education lessons a week as well. Anyone who was agnostic, atheist or from another religion was completely disregarded in these lessons, and they were even attacked for their beliefs by the Chaplain.

A lot of Catholic schools - at least where I live - aren't as "prestigious" as the other private schools. I'm not sure if that makes a difference to whether they push religion or not, but let's just say, the girls from the Catholic school down the road wore their skirts entirely too short.

In religion classes at the private school, we only learnt about Christianity. In the philosphy classes I took at the public school, we didn't learn about religion at all. We only learnt about philosophical doctrines and politics etc.

Catholic schools don't push religion at all, because their becoming so mainstream they wouldn't dare. The only Christian schools that push it these days are those evangelical style Madrassas that exist on the fringe.

It all depends on where you live, I suppose.

Our School had a Minister, now we have a Vicar. Doesn't make any difference. The Christians are still marginalised and Holy Week is still school time.

Is the school closed for any other religion's holy days of obligation?

My parents are pretty conservative Christians (oh yes) and recently they were saying about how religious 'chaplains' are being allowed in public schools, but that the Christians are all angry because they are going to allow all religions to do it, 'opening the floodgates' as they say for 'those Muslims'. So what do you think about this?

Well I guess if a school requires a chaplin(that is if staff and pupils want it) then surly they need to accomedate all of the religons in the shcool.

I see nowt wrong with it.