touchscreen skin
:eek:
I can't say I would want it in me, but it is definitely interesting.
DO WANT.
when they get color displays
Sumamba Buwhan
01-03-2008, 04:56
http://www.physorg.com/news122819670.html
how could you not want?
http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/tattoodisplay.jpg
assimilate bitches!
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 04:59
I want.
http://www.physorg.com/news122819670.html
how could you not want?
http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/tattoodisplay.jpg
assimilate bitches!
Meh
Katganistan
01-03-2008, 05:01
That is utterly disgusting. I mean, my colleagues call me gadget girl but call me crazy -- I don't need a touchscreen under my skin any more than I want a GPS in my skull or a identity beacon under my skin.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 05:03
That is utterly disgusting. I mean, my colleagues call me gadget girl but call me crazy -- I don't need a touchscreen under my skin any more than I want a GPS in my skull or a identity beacon under my skin.
Ok, why wouldn't you want a GPS in your skull? At least you'll never get lost!
You know what would be awesome. If they'd connect a small nano-computer into the part of the brain that sends and recieves images from your eyes, and when you put on special sunglasses you could turn the computer on and ta da! your own PC right in front of you! You could surf the web, check stocks, etc. Awesome.
Your eyes would be the mouse and you would be provided with a wireless keyboard that you can fold up and put in your pocket!
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 05:04
Totally stupid.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 05:06
Totally stupid.
Why is it 'totally stupid'?
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 05:07
Ok, why wouldn't you want a GPS in your skull? At least you'll never get lost!
You know what would be awesome. If they'd connect a small nano-computer into the part of the brain that sends and recieves images from your eyes, and when you put on special sunglasses you could turn the computer on and ta da! your own PC right in front of you! You could surf the web, check stocks, etc. Awesome.
No, just not.
Stupid, unecessary, and it places people on the road to being fucking machines.
I would mock the hell out of anyone who had one of these. I would try to break it, too. That would be hilarious.
I wonder, if one of those hand held shockers (not tasers, just the litte gag gift shockers) would short circuit one? That would fucking funny.
Edit: and its fucking disgusting, at Kat said.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 05:10
No, just not.
Stupid, unecessary, and it places people on the road to being fucking machines.
But it only works if you have the keyboard and special sunglasses on.
I would mock the hell out of anyone who had one of these. I would try to break it, too. That would be hilarious.
And you could be sued for assault since the computer is inside the person's skull. Good job.
I wonder, if one of those hand held shockers (not tasers, just the litte gag gift shockers) would short circuit one? That would fucking funny.
No, as seeing how everything is in the skull, so no.
Edit: and its fucking disgusting, at Kat said.
But it's just so damn awesome! You never have to worry about losing your cellphone again!
Cannot think of a name
01-03-2008, 05:15
Through the same incision, two small tubes on the device are attached to an artery and a vein to allow the blood to flow to a coin-sized blood fuel cell that converts glucose and oxygen to electricity. After blood flows in from the artery to the fuel cell, it flows out again through the vein.
Wait, don't we need that?
Also, what if it breaks? I have to get minor surgery to fix my bluetooth device?
How much of a pain in the ass is it going to be to board a fucking plane?
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 05:26
But it only works if you have the keyboard and special sunglasses on.
And you could be sued for assault since the computer is inside the person's skull. Good job.
No, as seeing how everything is in the skull, so no.
But it's just so damn awesome! You never have to worry about losing your cellphone again!
No, its not awesome. It is fucking stupid and disgusting.
It would also lead people to become dependent on crap like that, which leads to weakness. (it would also lead to transhumanism crap, which I am vehemently against).
No, its not awesome. It is fucking stupid and disgusting.
It would also lead people to become dependent on crap like that, which leads to weakness. (it would also lead to transhumanism crap, which I am vehemently against).
oh look, trollgaard is off on his usual hypocritical tangent. Using the internet to bitch about people using technology.
Katganistan
01-03-2008, 05:36
oh look, trollgaard is off on his usual hypocritical tangent. Using the internet to bitch about people using technology.
It's funny -- ten years ago when people had their mobile phone bricks, I made jokes about having odd growths coming out of the side of their head.
Then cell phones, and I said some day they'd be attached to their heads.
Then bluetooth headsets, where they really ARE attached to the head....
:-p Implantation doesn't seem so science fiction-y anymore. Foolish, yes.
oh look, trollgaard is off on his usual hypocritical tangent. Using the internet to bitch about people using technology.
Serious irony there.
But, Yea, why, really, why not just carry an iPhone. What if something corrodes? YOu'd have to have special surgery just to fix a button. And what if you fell on that arm? could glass and pieces of metal get into your blood then to your heart and kill you? And what if it short circuts? Ouch. And what about when the tech is outdated in 2 years and you want to upgrade? Gona get surgery again? I can see some advantages in some cyboric implants in the future, but this is just dangerous and pointless.
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 05:39
oh look, trollgaard is off on his usual hypocritical tangent. Using the internet to bitch about people using technology.
Oh STFU, will you? The internet isn't inside people, now is it?
Its the merging of people and technology that I see as wrong.
Oh STFU, will you?
no, bite me.
The internet isn't inside people, now is it?
Its the merging of people and technology that I see as wrong.
A pointless and arbitrary distinction. Integrating technology under your skin is no more or less different, threatening, or "wrong" than a cellphone or laptop. It might have some technological implications that might make it more difficult, but concepts of "merging" is ascinine. Instead of the phone on your hand it's in your hand. No other difference.
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 05:44
no, bite me.
A pointless and arbitrary distinction. Integrating technology under your skin is no more or less different, threatening, or "wrong" than a cellphone or laptop. It might have some technological implications that might make it more difficult, but concepts of "merging" is ascinine. Instead of the phone on your hand it's in your hand. No other difference.
There is a huge difference. If you can't see it, you're blind. And no, I'd rather not bite you. I'll throw a pine cone at you, if you want.
http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/tattoodisplay.jpg
How soon until I can buy a prostitute covered in these?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
01-03-2008, 05:47
Well, I, for one, thought the idea of using an artery and a vein to create an electrical circuit was pretty cool.
Anyone who opposes using the body's natural electric current to fight global warming is a fascist. There - I said it.
There is a huge difference. If you can't see it, you're blind.
Ah right, the paranoid loon calls me blind. Fine, if there's such a huge difference, explain it to me.
None of your whack job chicken little "oh my god the sky is falling, society will crumble and we're all doomed, DOOOOOOOMED!" nonsensical rants you manage to spew out whenever you fingers manage to find their way out of your nose and on to your keyboard. Actually explain it to me, in real, practical terms, without your childlike, immature histrionics.
Go on, try to actually behave like an adult around here for once.
How soon until I can buy a prostitute covered in these?I'm quoting myself because this landed like 6 posts back.
DAMN!!
New Ziedrich
01-03-2008, 05:50
No, its not awesome. It is fucking stupid and disgusting.
It would also lead people to become dependent on crap like that, which leads to weakness. (it would also lead to transhumanism crap, which I am vehemently against).
You don't have to like it, or agree with it. However, you can't stand in the way of progress.
Serious irony there.
But, Yea, why, really, why not just carry an iPhone. What if something corrodes? YOu'd have to have special surgery just to fix a button. And what if you fell on that arm? could glass and pieces of metal get into your blood then to your heart and kill you? And what if it short circuts? Ouch. And what about when the tech is outdated in 2 years and you want to upgrade? Gona get surgery again? I can see some advantages in some cyboric implants in the future, but this is just dangerous and pointless.
Because they're obscenely expensive?
The Loyal Opposition
01-03-2008, 05:51
Stupid, unecessary, and it places people on the road to being fucking machines.
While this particular case is rather pointless and needlessly intrusive, there is something positive to be said for cybernetics. For those who rely on pacemakers, artificial limbs, or electronic implants for controlling seizures and such, being a "fucking machine" can present all kinds of perks.
But again, I agree in that I fail to see the "perks" of having a screen in my arm. Outside of medical necessity, I fail to see the "perks' of having anything artificial implanted anywhere.
(I will be waiting for the high-definition 1280x1024 resolution contact lense computer screen, however.)
While this particular case is rather pointless and needlessly intrusive, there is something positive to be said for cybernetics. Those who rely on pacemakers, artificial limbs, or electronic implants for controlling seizures and such
no no, you see, according to Trollgaard, if those people need to rely on machines they're weak, and should die.
Better yet, we should just kill them. It would be better for society you see. Obviously letting people live on technology that we can create harms our society and makes us unfit to survive in the harsh, cold reality that will come once society comes crashing down around us.
Katganistan
01-03-2008, 05:54
What I object to is them being used to track people much more stringently that we are today.
Cell phones you can turn off. When the new ones are on, they have GPS signals that can be used to track you. I don't want that in my body.
I don't want an RFID device in me either. I don't need anyone with a scanner able to know my financial info or who I am just by passing me in the street. Currently, people ARE having their credit info stolen in just this way with contactless payment systems like keyfobs you wave at gas pumps and credit cards you wave in front of cash registers.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 05:54
I wonder if my BAHA (BAHA = Bone Anchored Hearing Aid) counts as an implanted device. Yes I can snap it on and off, but in order to work it needs to snap onto the bolt, which is implanted in the side of my skull.
Also, just because I know people are going to ask, here is a picture of the BAHA, and my bolt.
The BAHA
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF1824-1.jpg
That is an American Quarter beside it.
My Bolt
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF1825-2.jpg
I am a big supporter of Technology, esp. Medical Technology that can be used to make people lives better.
Katganistan
01-03-2008, 05:59
I wonder if my BAHA (BAHA = Bone Anchored Hearing Aid) counts as an implanted device. Yes I can snap it on and off, but in order to work it needs to snap onto the bolt, which is implanted in the side of my skull.
Also, just because I know people are going to ask, here is a picture of the BAHA, and my bolt.
The BAHA
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF1824-1.jpg
That is an American Quarter beside it.
My Bolt
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/DSCF1825-2.jpg
I am a big supporter of Technology, esp. Medical Technology that can be used to make people lives better.
The difference though is that that is necessary for you to live a fairly normal life -- it replaces/repairs your hearing. As you said -- a medical application. I've no objection to that any more than I would object to a pacemaker or artificial hip.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
01-03-2008, 06:00
I wonder if my BAHA (BAHA = Bone Anchored Hearing Aid) counts as an implanted device. Yes I can snap it on and off, but in order to work it needs to snap onto the bolt, which is implanted in the side of my skull.
Android! :eek:
Or is it 'cyborg?' I cant remember.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 06:01
Android! :eek:
Or is it 'cyborg?' I cant remember.
I think it's Cyborg. Data was an Android, so I think an Android is a robot that shows human qualities.
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 06:02
Ah right, the paranoid loon calls me blind. Fine, if there's such a huge difference, explain it to me.
None of your whack job chicken little "oh my god the sky is falling, society will crumble and we're all doomed, DOOOOOOOMED!" nonsensical rants you manage to spew out whenever you fingers manage to find their way out of your nose and on to your keyboard. Actually explain it to me, in real, practical terms, without your childlike, immature histrionics.
Go on, try to actually behave like an adult around here for once.
Hmm, well. Because if the technology is on the outside people can, I don't know, put it down?
Also, outside is not the same as inside. So that is a difference right there. I thought lawyers had to have some brains?
Also, you can quit being ass now.
The Loyal Opposition
01-03-2008, 06:05
no no, you see, according to Trollgaard, if those people need to rely on machines they're weak, and should die.
Better yet, we should just kill them. It would be better for society you see. Obviously letting people live on technology that we can create harms our society and makes us unfit to survive in the harsh, cold reality that will come once society comes crashing down around us.
While an absolutist stance that rejects the use of technology in ignorance of real, legitimate and life-affirming applications ought to be rejected, an equally absolutist stance that rejects any question, doubt or concern as Luddite nonsense is equally absurd. Being the geek that I am, I can note that the science fiction literature is up to its ears in positive (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology. It is also up to its ears in negative and frightening (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology.
It is probably unlikely that there is some vast world-spanning conspiracy planning, at this very moment, to enslave us all. But to not ask the questions at all isn't a very good idea.
Everyone should read and respond to Katganistan's posts regarding some of the more rational examples of potential problems presented by cybernetic technology.
Hmm, well. Because if the technology is on the outside people can, I don't know, put it down?
And technology on the inside can be turned off, so the fuck what?
Also, outside is not the same as inside.
Brilliant deduction. Now here comes the question again, so the fuck what?
So that is a difference right there. I thought lawyers had to have some brains?
So lemme get this straight, your entire line of argument about why it's bad is because it's inside. That's it.
Yeah, I wouldn't go insulting other people's intelligence there kiddo. Not until you learn to actually act like an adult and not a paranoid dillusiona lunatic and demonstrate some yourself.
Fail
While an absolutist stance that rejects the use of technology in ignorance of real, legitimate and life-affirming applications ought to be rejected, an equally absolutist stance that rejects any question, doubt or concern as Luddite nonsense is equally absurd. Being the geek that I am, I can note that the science fiction literature is up to its ears in positive (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology. It is also up to its ears in negative and frightening (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology.
There are multiple valid, legitimate concerns that should and must be addressed before utilizing this kind of technology. Feel free to point out to me where this particular poster has showsn a capability to argue any of them, or even show that he's capable of understand them, or anything other than "it's bad!"
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
01-03-2008, 06:13
Thank you for saving us from lame technology, Mr. Random-guy-on-the-internet, what would we ever do without you?
We'd have to buy the Unabomber's book. *nod*
Edit: wow - septuple time warp. :p
Sumamba Buwhan
01-03-2008, 06:13
hmmm, Trolls right, we need to round up all of the cyborgs and break their technology!
I wouldn't be using technology they could track me with, I'd get all of my cybernetic parts from underground sources with serious hacks allowing me to jack in to the matrix man!
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 06:15
I'd get all of my cybernetic parts from underground sources with serious hacks allowing me to jack in to the matrix man!
The Matrix has you Neo. ;)
The Loyal Opposition
01-03-2008, 06:16
I wonder if my BAHA (BAHA = Bone Anchored Hearing Aid) counts as an implanted device. Yes I can snap it on and off, but in order to work it needs to snap onto the bolt, which is implanted in the side of my skull.
I assume that the device can be snapped on and off mainly to facilitate changing the battery which powers it. While I'm not a fan of the idea of having a screen in my arm, the proposed method for powering it is fascinating and would have all kinds of implications for medical devices.
The electronic tatoo can very well result in pacemakers and neural devices that require no batteries or other external (to the body) power source. And thus no periodic (and necessarily risky) battery-replacement surgery.
New Ziedrich
01-03-2008, 06:17
You know, what's so important about keeping humans "pure" anyway? The human body is pretty weak, and it tends to wear out and break. A few upgrades could do a lot of good.
Science is pretty cool.
Its unnatural
So is a screwdrive.
unnecessary
So is the internet. That doesn't seem to bother you.
and lame.
Oh, it's "lame". Well, obviously, we should restrict our technological innovations to only those things you find "not lame"
Thank you for saving us from lame technology, Mr. Random-guy-on-the-internet, what would we ever do without you?
Except, you know...progress.
You can still stfu, ass.
Very clever edit, I wonder what the mods would say to your original comment hm? You know, this one?
You fuck off now. Fucking prick.
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 06:18
So we should ban all things that aren't natural? Wow, so you're willing to take away technology that makes our lives easier? Guess what, I have technology in my body (beside my BAHA) that helps me live a normal life, I have two in fact. Are you going to take those away because it's unnatural? What about Pace makers, and stints? Or artifical hips and knees. What about robotic limbs?
bah, you caught it before i deleted it. (the last part of the quote was said in extreme anger, but i deleted it 10 seconds after i posted it)
But yeah, pretty much what you said.
Call me heartless if you want. I'm not dancing around the bush. I hate doing that. I always try to be straightforward, and I think I have been very straightforward on this forum, to my detriment at times.
Wilgrove
01-03-2008, 06:19
Its unnatural, unnecessary, and lame.
You fuck off now. Fucking prick.
So we should ban all things that aren't natural? Wow, so you're willing to take away technology that makes our lives easier? Guess what, I have technology in my body (beside my BAHA) that helps me live a normal life, I have two in fact. Are you going to take those away because it's unnatural? What about Pace makers, and stints? Or artifical hips and knees. What about robotic limbs?
Sumamba Buwhan
01-03-2008, 06:21
While an absolutist stance that rejects the use of technology in ignorance of real, legitimate and life-affirming applications ought to be rejected, an equally absolutist stance that rejects any question, doubt or concern as Luddite nonsense is equally absurd. Being the geek that I am, I can note that the science fiction literature is up to its ears in positive (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology. It is also up to its ears in negative and frightening (if hypothetical) examples of cybernetic technology.
It is probably unlikely that there is some vast world-spanning conspiracy planning, at this very moment, to enslave us all. But to not ask the questions at all isn't a very good idea.
Everyone should read and respond to Katganistan's posts regarding some of the more rational examples of potential problems presented by cybernetic technology.
oh there is this old book called "Human Machines" - I recommend reading if it you like that kinda stuff - it's a bunch of short stories written in like the 50's and 60's of their ideas about human-machine combinations
Trollgaard
01-03-2008, 06:21
Very clever edit, I wonder what the mods would say to your original comment hm? You know, this one?
I don't give a damn. I deleted it, as I realized as hit the post button it wasn't nice. Though none of your posts are nice at all. Though they are pretty straightfoward and blunt, which is very honest of you, and I like honesty.
But yeah, I still think yo are a prick.
So, right now, I don't give a flying fuck.
Fuck you, and fuck your couch.
bah, you caught it before i deleted it. (the last part of the quote was said in extreme anger, but i deleted it 10 seconds after i posted it)
But yeah, pretty much what you said.
Call me heartless if you want.OK, you're heartlessI'm not dancing around the bush. I hate doing that. I always try to be straightforward, and I think I have been very straightforward on this forum, to my detriment at times.
True, I don't think anyone could honestly accuse you of mincing words.
The Loyal Opposition
01-03-2008, 06:27
There are multiple valid, legitimate concerns that should and must be addressed before utilizing this kind of technology.
We agree, then. Awesome.
Feel free to point out to me where this particular poster has showsn a capability to argue any of them, or even show that he's capable of understand them, or anything other than "it's bad!"
I assumed I covered this in the first sentence of the post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13492537&postcount=34) to which you replied.
I don't give a damn. I deleted it, as I realized as hit the post button it wasn't nice. Though none of your posts are nice at all. Though they are pretty straightfoward and blunt, which is very honest of you, and I like honesty.
But yeah, I still think yo are a prick.
So, right now, I don't give a flying fuck.
Fuck you, and fuck your couch.
Here's a hint, call it a freebee. Learn to control your temper before going out in public.
Because they're obscenely expensive?
And, ya know, this is totally cheap. Because cosmetic surgery and cutting edge electronics have always been cheap to come by.
Seriously, do you think you could have this done for under 5,000? Even on the black market?
And, ya know, this is totally cheap. Because cosmetic surgery and cutting edge electronics have always been cheap to come by.
Seriously, do you think you could have this done for under 5,000? Even on the black market?
I was making a comment about the iPhone, I wouldn't have had any problem with the post if it had been cellphone instead of iPhone.
New Malachite Square
01-03-2008, 07:18
…doubt or concern as Luddite nonsense is equally absurd.
Damn those greedy artisans! :D
It would also lead people to become dependent on crap like that, which leads to weakness. (it would also lead to transhumanism crap, which I am vehemently against).
I don't think that you're seriously considering the possible applications of the merging of technology and the body. Let's say, for instance, that people's legs could be replaced with sleek, powerful, mechanical legs. If an enormous rock were to fall on one of these legs, their owner would not be trapped: the leg could simply be ejected. The only course of action for a non-enhanced person would be to attempt to remove the leg manually, possibly requiring the use of some resolving-weakening anesthetics.
New Malachite Square
01-03-2008, 07:20
Doesn't anyone else see the potential here? A tv in your arm is stupid, but technology that runs on oxygen and glucose has lots of potential.
Potential for weight-loss!
*Becomes dietary tycoon*
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
01-03-2008, 07:22
So back on topic...
Doesn't anyone else see the potential here? A tv in your arm is stupid, but technology that runs on oxygen and glucose has lots of potential.
Sure - if we can turn mammals into batteries, the possibilities are endless. We could even move on to livestock: imagine whole fields of cows producing their own enegry for the local town, or implants that let us power our portable devices by plugging in to an artery someplace. Sounds neat! :)
New Granada
01-03-2008, 07:23
No, its not awesome. It is fucking stupid and disgusting.
It would also lead people to become dependent on crap like that, which leads to weakness. (it would also lead to transhumanism crap, which I am vehemently against).
Do you have any adult reasons for any of this or are you just having a stupid tantrum?
Aggicificicerous
01-03-2008, 07:24
So back on topic...
Doesn't anyone else see the potential here? A tv in your arm is stupid, but technology that runs on oxygen and glucose has lots of potential.
I was making a comment about the iPhone, I wouldn't have had any problem with the post if it had been cellphone instead of iPhone.
I just said the iPhone b/c it has internet and a touch screen, which is what this thing is. My point was to prove that for less money than this you could have more comfort (I just don't see that surgery feeling good) and probably more functionality and cirtianly more praticality. Also, seriously, if you want to see expensive, go look at a Blackberry.
I just said the iPhone b/c it has internet and a touch screen, which is what this thing is. My point was to prove that for less money than this you could have more comfort (I just don't see that surgery feeling good) and probably more functionality and cirtianly more praticality. Also, seriously, if you want to see expensive, go look at a Blackberry.
I won't buy one of those either.
So back on topic...
Doesn't anyone else see the potential here? A tv in your arm is stupid, but technology that runs on oxygen and glucose has lots of potential.
Indeed, those are 2 resources the world has a lot of. I'd like to see a bigger scale generator that runs on the same principels.
New Granada
01-03-2008, 07:29
I don't give a damn. I deleted it, as I realized as hit the post button it wasn't nice. Though none of your posts are nice at all. Though they are pretty straightfoward and blunt, which is very honest of you, and I like honesty.
But yeah, I still think yo are a prick.
So, right now, I don't give a flying fuck.
Fuck you, and fuck your couch.
^
Part 4 of the juvenile argument.
To wit:
1)stupid
2)Stupid
3)STUPID
4)BOOM!
New Ziedrich
01-03-2008, 07:45
i would not have expected this thread to spark a mid life crisis and banning
This forum is just full of surprises. :p
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
01-03-2008, 07:46
i would not have expected this thread to spark a mid life crisis and banning
Yeah. Pretty unlikely for a garden-variety techie thread, but that was the fun part. :p
i would not have expected this thread to spark a mid life crisis and banning
Trollgaard hasn't been banned yet (which might indeed be the key word in my statement since he reported himself).
I stand corrected... Both he and Neo A have been banned for a day.
Sumamba Buwhan
01-03-2008, 07:48
i would not have expected this thread to spark a mid life crisis and banning
Hm. Interesting concept of technology being powered by blood.
Would I want that thing inside my skin? No.
Anti-Social Darwinism
01-03-2008, 08:29
I recently posted a thread about a writer named Charles Stross. Among other things he writes about thing like this. One of the things addressed in his books is that there is a real danger that our dependence on electronics will serve to dehumanize us: that there will come a point where we are more machine than human.
It's one thing to use electronics to make our lives better, it's something else (and, frankly, something frightening) when those electronics become ends in themselves. We use our computers to do research, to communicate and exchange ideas, as learning tools, as toys - all of these things are good. What happens when our computer becomes the face we show the world? We're seeing some of that now as disaffected people use electronics as one more wall between themselves and reality. First the "touchscreen skin" is a novelty, then a useful tool, then an end in itself - and an end that divorces us from the people and world around us.
I personally wouldn't have it, not because I think it's gross and disgusting, but because I think it's dangerously seductive and, potentially, one more barrier between ourselves and our own humanity.
(Oh, and if by chance Trollgaard has not yet been banned, I would hope that he isn't going to be banned. Everyone has something that about which they're touchy and which can push them over the edge if they're not being careful - as I've recently had occasion to find out).
I recently posted a thread about a writer named Charles Stross. Among other things he writes about thing like this. One of the things addressed in his books is that there is a real danger that our dependence on electronics will serve to dehumanize us: that there will come a point where we are more machine than human.
It's one thing to use electronics to make our lives better, it's something else (and, frankly, something frightening) when those electronics become ends in themselves. We use our computers to do research, to communicate and exchange ideas, as learning tools, as toys - all of these things are good. What happens when our computer becomes the face we show the world? We're seeing some of that now as disaffected people use electronics as one more wall between themselves and reality. First the "touchscreen skin" is a novelty, then a useful tool, then an end in itself - and an end that divorces us from the people and world around us.
I personally wouldn't have it, not because I think it's gross and disgusting, but because I think it's dangerously seductive and, potentially, one more barrier between ourselves and our own humanity.
Now if Trollgaard could learn to post answers like this he would be ridiculed a lot less :D
Well stated by the way ASD.
Ardchoille
01-03-2008, 08:42
But yeah, I still think yo are a prick.
So, right now, I don't give a flying fuck.
Fuck you, and fuck your couch.
Even allowing for Jolt's glitches, I'm pretty sure that was posted after the post you deleted. You realised you'd gone too far and then you did it again. Not smart.
Yeah, I wouldn't go insulting other people's intelligence there kiddo. Not until you learn to actually act like an adult and not a paranoid dillusiona lunatic and demonstrate some yourself.
Fail
Ah right, the paranoid loon calls me blind. Fine, if there's such a huge difference, explain it to me.
None of your whack job chicken little "oh my god the sky is falling, society will crumble and we're all doomed, DOOOOOOOMED!" nonsensical rants you manage to spew out whenever you fingers manage to find their way out of your nose and on to your keyboard. Actually explain it to me, in real, practical terms, without your childlike, immature histrionics.
Go on, try to actually behave like an adult around here for once.
Unedifying.
Trollgard and Neo Art both banned for 24 hours for flaming and continuing to flame and flamebait.
New Granada, I would strongly advise you not to raise your head above the parapet. Warned for flamebait, aka jumping on the bandwagon.
Intangelon
01-03-2008, 08:48
I don't want to bring the Bravo Tango* crowd screaming into this thread, but doesn't this sound at least a little like the "mark of the beast" that we're always being warned about by the Revelationists/Armageddonists?
*BT, or Bible Thumper -- it's what my brother, ex Airborne, calls them.
I don't want to bring the Bravo Tango* crowd screaming into this thread, but doesn't this sound at least a little like the "mark of the beast" that we're always being warned about by the Revelationists/Armageddonists?
No, not to me anyways
Gauthier
01-03-2008, 08:54
Look what's hiding under Trollgaard's bed:
http://www.plasticbag.org/images/extra/cybermen_on_bbc.jpg
Personally, who cares what you do to your body as long as it's not forced?
Sumamba Buwhan
01-03-2008, 23:21
sure , there are very valid concerns regarding technology like this and even the technology we are reliant on today
do you think there is a chance to turn back or away? we are pretty much dependent on it already and I don't see the trend stopping
VERY few of us could live a self-reliant, no power/internet/vehicle/grocery store life
I'm betting on the the evolution of our species into a cybernetic race of intergalactic travelers
http://209.85.12.227/11914/116/emo/borg.gif
Do want (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/do-want-dowantdowantdowant.jpg), you know, once they work out the kinks.
Jello Biafra
02-03-2008, 00:06
Ugh. As if people aren't distracted enough while driving.
Knights of Liberty
02-03-2008, 01:11
bah, you caught it before i deleted it. (the last part of the quote was said in extreme anger, but i deleted it 10 seconds after i posted it)
But yeah, pretty much what you said.
Call me heartless if you want. I'm not dancing around the bush. I hate doing that. I always try to be straightforward, and I think I have been very straightforward on this forum, to my detriment at times.
To be honost, I think society would be better off without mentalities like this rather than people who use a pacemaker.
TBH, I grow weary of these absurd ideals of "weakness" and "strength". Stubborness and stupdity are not strengths, so refusing to allow one to better ones life (or survive) through things like a pacemaker IMO does not make one strong, it makes one an idiot.
Knights of Liberty
02-03-2008, 01:13
Trollgaard hasn't been banned yet (which might indeed be the key word in my statement since he reported himself).
I stand corrected... Both he and Neo A have been banned for a day.
Why the fuck would you ban Neo Art? Everything he said was accurate. When someone acts like a child, they deserve all the condesention and scorn they get.
Why the fuck would you ban Neo Art? Everything he said was accurate. When someone acts like a child, they deserve all the condesention and scorn they get.
Not on this website.
how could you not want?
assimilate bitches!
I wouldn't want it.
Sure it sounds neat, but really... outside of health monitoring, I really couldn't see any practical application for it.
Pure Metal
02-03-2008, 02:03
seen it, want it... can imagine it working well with a bluetooth headset for your phone, at the very least
plus the idea of being able to turn on or off a tattoo is cool
Why the fuck would you ban Neo Art?
I didn't.
Everything he said was accurate. When someone acts like a child, they deserve all the condesention and scorn they get.
I don't agree with Neo A being banned also, but I do understand the reasoning: rather than just ignoring Trollgaard's tantrum, he stooped down to the same level.
Lunatic Goofballs
02-03-2008, 02:13
ABout two years ago, I predicted that someone would have a telephone embedded into their head within the next five years.
I think I'm on track. :)
ABout two years ago, I predicted that someone would have a telephone embedded into their head within the next five years.
I think I'm on track. :)
There's cheaper and easier ways to do it...
Of course they're illegal ;)
ABout two years ago, I predicted that someone would have a telephone embedded into their head within the next five years.
I think I'm on track. :)
I'd also like to note that HowStuffWorks had an April Fools article detailing the invention of an LCD screen implant tattoo.
Knights of Liberty
02-03-2008, 03:14
I didn't.
I don't agree with Neo A being banned also, but I do understand the reasoning: rather than just ignoring Trollgaard's tantrum, he stooped down to the same level.
I know you didnt, it was a rhetorical "who"?
The blessed Chris
02-03-2008, 03:18
hmmm, I can discern, and accept, the merits of this, but wouldn't fancy it myself.
I know you didnt, it was a rhetorical "who"?
It was Ardchoille, and as I said while I don't agree with the decision I understand the reasoning.
Wilgrove
02-03-2008, 03:27
I also sense great possibilities for mischief of one could hack someone else's tattoos. :D
Making people hit themselves while asking "Why are you hitting yourself?" and "Stop hitting yourself" will rise to new level!
Lunatic Goofballs
02-03-2008, 03:31
hmmm, I can discern, and accept, the merits of this, but wouldn't fancy it myself.
I also sense great possibilities for mischief of one could hack someone else's tattoos. :D
I also sense great possibilities for mischief of one could hack someone else's tattoos. :D
... ok, I got an image of having this implanted on people's foreheads... and while at a bar, the message "(s)he's married" flashes across his brow... or "terrible lay", "I'm easy", "Narc"...
yeah, the possiblities are great... and endless.
and when they introduce the subdermal speakers... can you imagine theme music as people do... er... things.
Slade: They're my theme music... all great heroes have theme music.
Jello Biafra
02-03-2008, 03:53
and when they introduce the subdermal speakers... can you imagine theme music as people do... er... things."bow chicka wow wow"
Nanatsu no Tsuki
02-03-2008, 04:24
... ok, I got an image of having this implanted on people's foreheads... and while at a bar, the message "(s)he's married" flashes across his brow... or "terrible lay", "I'm easy", "Narc"...
yeah, the possiblities are great... and endless.
and when they introduce the subdermal speakers... can you imagine theme music as people do... er... things.
ROFL!
King Arthur the Great
02-03-2008, 04:35
I'm more impressed with the use of blood to fuel the gadget with glucose and oxygen. If this can be made as efficient as the Cellular Respiration process in normal cells, it definitely represents a breakthrough for various machines. The use of pacemakers requires some type of energy source, either batteries or a charger. Additionally, with the advances in neural routing for prosthetic limbs, it makes the idea of a mechanical hand a la Luke Skywalker that much more imminent. While the whole touchpad tatoo display is a little weird, to say the least, the other innovations are definitely something to look at.