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I approve of this only because it will make it harder for Andras to use Marxist rhetoric as his answer to everything.

Seriously, until at the very least everyone can learn the difference between the adjective form "bourgeois" and the noun form "bourgeoisie", please cease and desist as use of this buzzword.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/deathbysp4m/bourgeoisiecatcopy.jpg

Seriously, until at the very least everyone can learn the difference between the adjective form "bourgeois" and the noun form "bourgeoisie", please cease and desist as use of this buzzword.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/deathbysp4m/bourgeoisiecatcopy.jpg

Shouldn't that be "Bourgeois Cat"?

Shouldn't that be "Bourgeois Cat"?

Either is appropriate in this sense.

I approve of this only because it will make it harder for Andras to use Marxist rhetoric as his answer to everything.

QTF.

I approve of this only because it will make it harder for Andras to use Marxist rhetoric as his answer to everything.

It's your thread now. Catch!

*throws thread and bourgeoisie cat at KoL*

Either is appropriate in this sense.

To me it seems as though the picture is intended to depict a cat that is a member of the bourgeoisie; hence the adjective "bourgeois", modifying "cat", would seem a more apt choice than the noun "bourgeoisie", which does not modify "cat" and therefore is not as accurate. Although, I suppose either is acceptable.

Just as long as we were fighting over the grammar....

Hmmph. This thread is nothing more than another attempt by the bourgeois to oppress us! Unite proletarians of teh interweb, you have nothing to loose but your accounts, you have a rhetoric to win.

Seriously, until at the very least everyone can learn the difference between the adjective form "bourgeois" and the noun form "bourgeoisie", please cease and desist as use of this buzzword.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/deathbysp4m/bourgeoisiecatcopy.jpg

I agree entirely

why not reclaim the word

the homosexual agenda has enough of our words as it is!

How about all those other buzzwords that people use on a day-to-day basis?

I support abolishing libertarianism

Same here, but you forgot about Eureka Australis (Haven't seen him in a while though...)

Andaras was EA and then AP and then some other one before Andaras.

Seriously, until at the very least everyone can learn the difference between the adjective form "bourgeois" and the noun form "bourgeoisie", please cease and desist as use of this buzzword.



Who died and made you Der Fuhrer? You think you are a member of the Bourgeoisie to make such proclamations to us Petite Bourgeoisie? ;)

I approve of this only because it will make it harder for Andras to use Marxist rhetoric as his answer to everything.
Same here, but you forgot about Eureka Australis (Haven't seen him in a while though...)

Seriously, until at the very least everyone can learn the difference between the adjective form "bourgeois" and the noun form "bourgeoisie", please cease and desist as use of this buzzword.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/deathbysp4m/bourgeoisiecatcopy.jpg

How about all those other buzzwords that people use on a day-to-day basis?

Same here, but you forgot about Eureka Australis (Haven't seen him in a while though...)

Andaras Prime = Eureka Australis = Andaras

How about all those other buzzwords that people use on a day-to-day basis?

At least they know how to use those ones properly. But when I hear people talking about "the bourgeois" or "the bourgeoisie society" it makes me want to scream

To me it seems as though the picture is intended to depict a cat that is a member of the bourgeoisie; hence the adjective "bourgeois", modifying "cat", would seem a more apt choice than the noun "bourgeoisie", which does not modify "cat" and therefore is not as accurate. Although, I suppose either is acceptable.

Just as long as we were fighting over the grammar....

The picture was originally from icanhazcheezburger.com, so the grammar is going to be suspect. Seriously, it's lolcat, and that's part of the reason why I modified the pic: irony.

Je ne cesserai point d'utiliser ce mot très utile qui convient tellement bien et qui est courant en Europe (du Nord, au moins).

it is :confused:

Who died and made you Der Fuhrer? You think you are a member of the Bourgeoisie to make such proclamations to us Petite Bourgeoisie? ;)

No, I'm a nomenklatura coordinator and party commissar. Now off to the gulag with your petit-bourgeois reactionary self. ;)

Edit: that goes for the rest of you reactionaries out there who dare oppose the will of the party. And I hate these timewarps!

it is :confused:

You know the UK is not part of Europe. ;)

Je ne cesserai point d'utiliser ce mot très utile qui convient tellement bien et qui est courant en Europe (du Nord, au moins).

Il vous faudra l'ôter de mes mains froides et mortes.

Je ne cesserai point d'utiliser ce mot très utile qui convient tellement bien et qui est courant en Europe (du Nord, au moins).

Il vous faudra l'ôter de mes mains froides et mortes.

Si vous utilisez le mot correctement, alors je n'a pas de problème.

Cette expression ne fonctionne pas bien en français.

Rolling squid;13489738']inglês por favor?

What they are talking about is boring anyways. Nothing exciting.

Si vous utilisez le mot correctement, alors je n'a pas de problème.

Et vous en êtes l'arbitre?

Cette expression ne fonctionne pas bien en français.

Laquelle?

Si vous utilisez le mot correctement, alors je n'a pas de problème.

Cette expression ne fonctionne pas bien en français.

inglês por favor?

What they are talking about is boring anyways. Nothing exciting.

still want to know what's going on, and babble fish doesn't work on what ever they're using.

Il vous faudra l'ôter de mes mains froides et mortes.

NON, VOUS!

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auggh! os suíços inúteis usam uma língua que eu posso ler para uma vez!

What they are talking about is boring anyways. Nothing exciting.

Pardonnez-moi, mais je ne suis pas une machine! Moi aussi, j'ai le droit d'être emmerdant de temps en temps, comme vous l'êtes chaque jour.

Je déconne. Pas chaque jour... :p

Mon Dieu. Parlez en anglais si vous plait! :headbang:

(I have a feeling that's butchered since the last French I took was three years ago.)

it is :confused:

Je ne l'aurais pas dit, si ce n'avait pas été vrai.

Je suis Napoleon! MiniMe aime le chocolat, Scotty ne pas!

*I now leave your thread*

Je suis Napoleon! MiniMe aime le chocolat, Scotty ne pas!

*I now leave your thread*

May I say thank God for the guy with one post who wrote something in French I have absolutely no trouble reading. hah.

Et vous en êtes l'arbitre?

Oui. Je SUIS la loi! :p

Laquelle?

L'expression à propos de vos "mains froid et morte".

Rolling squid;13489738']inglês por favor?

Je suis desoleil, mais je ne parle pas italliene.

Oui. Je SUIS la loi! :p

Mais l'état c'est moi, et l'état est au delà de la loi.

L'expression à propos de vos "mains froid et morte".

Bof, elle n'a jamais marché en anglais, non plus.

Taking this word away is just another form of bourgeois opression of the Proletariat

Ironically, I just had to read an essay from Lenin for my political science class...

Moratorium on the word "bourgeois?" Oh no! How will I describe the 19th century French urbanites who are constantly oppressing me?

I think Madonna is down right sexy when she says bourgeoisie in the Waltz for Eva and Che song in Evita



"I don't care what the bourgeoisie say
I'm not in business for them but to give all my
descamisados a magical moment or two"


you go girl

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Je suis desoleil, mais je ne parle pas italliene.

não é italiano, ele é portuguese.

Moratorium on the word "bourgeois?" Oh no! How will I describe the 19th century French urbanites who are constantly oppressing me?

"old"

That, like this song (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8v9yUVgrmPY), is not ironic.

But the song is ironic because it isn't.

Next question, though. Was that irony intentional or not?

Ironically, I just had to read an essay from Lenin for my political science class...

That, like this song (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8v9yUVgrmPY), is not ironic.

If only we'd had the presence of mind back in ww2 we might have spared the world the atrocity of communism by blowing up every town and city in France with atomic bombs.

Andaras Prime = Eureka Australis = Andaras



At least they know how to use those ones properly. But when I hear people talking about "the bourgeois" or "the bourgeoisie society" it makes me want to scream

Well, they (other buzzwords) are generally much less applicable (or existent) in real life, and I for one know how to use them (bourgeois and bourgeoisie), so what's the problem?

If only we'd had the presence of mind back in ww2 we might have spared the world the atrocity of communism by blowing up every town and city in France with atomic bombs.

:eek: Okay, you can't be serious...

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/128289054028715000bourgeoisiecat.jpg

Trotskylvania I don't exactly know what your on about, do you prefer calling them 'various individuals who all do different things, have different interests, but engage in the private ownership of the means of production through capitalism and the wage-labor of workers', bourgeois is just more definable, I am certainly not going to use 'capitalist' because that's entirely a different matter.

Just to define, 'bourgeois' refers to individuals who own the social means of production privately, 'bourgeois society' refers to 'capitalism' generally as a system of socio-economic organization, here is a definition of both terms below.


Bourgeoisie

The class of people in bourgeois society who own the social means of production as their Private Property, i.e., as capital.

See The Communist Manifesto for Marx and Engels' description of the historical role of the bourgeoisie.

Bourgeois Society (or “capitalism”)

Bourgeois Society is the social formation in which the commodity relation – the relation of buying and selling – has spread into every corner of life. The family and the state still exist, but – the family is successively broken down and atomised, more and more resembling a relationship of commercial contract, rather than one genuinely expressing kinship and the care of one generation for the other; the state retains its essential instruments of violence, but more and more comes under the sway of commerical interests, reduced to acting as a buyer and seller of services on behalf of the community.

The ruling class in bourgeois society is the bourgeoisie, who own the means of production as Private Property, despite the fact that the productive forces have become entirely socialised and operate on the scale of the world market.

The producing class in bourgeois society is the proletariat, a class of people who have nothing to sell but their capacity to work; since all the means of production belong to the bourgeoisie, workers have no choice but to offer their labour-power for sale to the bourgeoisie.

This system of buying and selling labour-power is called wage-labour and is characteristic of bourgeois society, though it has been around since the Peasant Revolt of 1381. The classic form of wage labour is payment for work by the hour or week. Nowadays many workers work on the basis of contracts and piece-work but these forms only disguise the underlying relationship, which remains that of wage-labour.

Money and all forms of credit reach their highest development in bourgeois society. As a result, life in bourgeois society “happens” to people in much the same way as the weather happens to people, with money flowing around apparently according to its own laws.

To put this another way, in bourgeois society there is a “fetishism” of commodities;– just as tribal peoples believed that their lives were being determined by trees and animals and natural forces possessing human powers, in bourgeois society, people's lives are driven by money and other commodities, whose value is determined by extramundane forces; instead of ethics and morality being governed by traditional systems of belief and imagined spiritual forces, there is just the ethic of cash-payment.

NB: The German for “bourgeois society” is bürgerliche Gesellschaft, and this is usually translated into English as “Civil Society”.

See Engels' discussion of the translation of bürgerliche Gesellschaft in his Letter to Marx, 23rd September 1852.

This phrase was originally meant to refer to that “war of all against all” that grew up outside of both the state and family, governed only by money. Nowadays, “civil society” is frequently used to denote that domain outside of the state and business – voluntary association of various kinds.

I know it's rather a big thing to ask on NSG, but anyone ever heard of maturity?

I know it's rather a big thing to ask on NSG, but anyone ever heard of maturity?

Maturity? On the Internet? LOL. Just because every Marxist-Leinist nation turns out in a corrupt dictatorship with horrible human rights records.(Cuba has improved lately, but at first it was pretty bad). Doesn't mean that you have ignore all proof and blame propoganda.

Any more one-liners?

Way to ignore everything beyond that. And that was Three lines not one.

Maturity? On the Internet? LOL. Just because every Marxist-Leinist nation turns out in a corrupt dictatorship with horrible human rights records.(Cuba has improved lately, but at first it was pretty bad). Doesn't mean that you have ignore all proof and blame propoganda.
Any more one-liners?

Trotskylvania I don't exactly know what your on about, do you prefer calling them 'various individuals who all do different things, have different interests, but engage in the private ownership of the means of production through capitalism and the wage-labor of workers', bourgeois is just more definable, I am certainly not going to use 'capitalist' because that's entirely a different matter.

Mmmm, way to miss the forest for the trees! :rolleyes:

Trotskylvania I don't exactly know what your on about, do you prefer calling them 'various individuals who all do different things, have different interests, but engage in the private ownership of the means of production through capitalism and the wage-labor of workers'

It's quite catchy.

Mais l'état c'est moi, et l'état est au delà de la loi.



Bof, elle n'a jamais marché en anglais, non plus.

Damn, I speak enough French to know some of what you're saying and only enough to be frustrated that I do not know the rest....

It's quite catchy.

Yeah if you have the paste ready.

I just want people to use the words properly, and not use "bourgeoisie" as an adjective and "bourgeois" as a known.

So what you mean to say is that you made this thread to be a grammar Nazi to me?

Good form son.

Trotskylvania I don't exactly know what your on about, do you prefer calling them 'various individuals who all do different things, have different interests, but engage in the private ownership of the means of production through capitalism and the wage-labor of workers', bourgeois is just more definable, I am certainly not going to use 'capitalist' because that's entirely a different matter.

Just to define, 'bourgeois' refers to individuals who own the social means of production privately, 'bourgeois society' refers to 'capitalism' generally as a system of socio-economic organization, here is a definition of both terms below.

I just want people to use the words properly, and not use "bourgeoisie" as an adjective and "bourgeois" as a known.

No, I made it to be a grammar Nazi to everyone. You've been better about your grammar than most actually.
But I am really the only person who uses the term, most others use the term 'capitalist' which in itself is a bigger infringement because it's a very bad description and vague.

So what you mean to say is that you made this thread to be a grammar Nazi to me?

Good form son.

No, I made it to be a grammar Nazi to everyone. You've been better about your grammar than most actually.

I just want people to use the words properly, and not use "bourgeoisie" as an adjective and "bourgeois" as a known.

ahem, speaking of grammar, i believe it's "noun", not "known"


goddamn nazis...........

Shit, I am up past my bedtime it seems

me too! yay for insomnia! :)

:eek: Okay, you can't be serious...

It would have removed the wind from the sails of the communists in their world wide plot to murder and rob the bourgeoisie.