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Stuff white people like

Mad hatters in jeans
27-02-2008, 17:43
WTF?
That has to be the most racist thing i have seen, other than Chris Rock (who i find a witty comedian with some interesting jokes).

The whole thing reeks of racism without real justification for it's findings.
Having said that i can roughly see where the poster is coming from, as it's true White people do tend to have better opportunities in life (although nowadays this is changing), it's hard to see how you can apply this to practically everything.
I also detect a hint of paranoia in this.

EDIT:Threadsteal! teeheehee.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 17:43
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?
The blessed Chris
27-02-2008, 17:44
It seems to be more uninformed, condescending satire than overt racism. I do rail against the specific reference to "white" when I daresay the pretentions I read on the main page apply to most middle class socially ambitious types, but overtly racist? no.
Khadgar
27-02-2008, 17:49
Some of it is true certainly, some of it I myself am guilty of. Though I only filter my water because the city water here smells like bleach. Awful stuff, can't even water your garden with it.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 17:50
White people like Indie Music (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/40-indie-music/)
"If you want to understand white people, you need to understand indie music. As mentioned before, white people hate anything that’s “mainstream” and are desperate to find things that are more genuine, unique, and reflective of their experiences.

Fortunately, they have independent music.

A white person’s iPod (formerly CD collection) is not merely an assemblage of music that they enjoy. It is what defines them as a person. They are always on the look out for the latest hot band that no one has heard of so that one day, they can hit it just right and be into a band BEFORE they are featured in an Apple commercial. To a white person, being a fan of a band before they get popular is one of the most important things they can do with their life. They can hold it over their friends forever!"

This seems like a 'Canada/US' phenomenom, more than just a white person thing. Unless we start calling people apples, oreos, bananas and so forth, implying that they are actually white for doing these things :P
Wilgrove
27-02-2008, 17:54
That was the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Even though admittiy some of it was true hehe.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 17:55
It seems to be more uninformed, condescending satire than overt racism. I do rail against the specific reference to "white" when I daresay the pretentions I read on the main page apply to most middle class socially ambitious types, but overtly racist? no.

It's overtly racist, focused entirely on 'white' people. I agree however that it seems to be specifically focused on North American middle class liberal 'white folk'. In fact, a lot of these stereotypes seem to apply across the board to the North American middle class liberal regardless of race...the simple fact being that most of the people in that ground are white.
Creepy Lurker
27-02-2008, 17:58
White people like Indie Music (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/40-indie-music/)


This seems like a 'Canada/US' phenomenom, more than just a white person thing. Unless we start calling people apples, oreos, bananas and so forth, implying that they are actually white for doing these things :P

I'd agree that it's more 'Stuff White American People Like'.
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 17:58
It's overtly racist, focused entirely on 'white' people. I agree however that it seems to be specifically focused on North American middle class liberal 'white folk'. In fact, a lot of these stereotypes seem to apply across the board to the North American middle class liberal regardless of race...the simple fact being that most of the people in that ground are white.

Essentially this.

Also, I am white and I would never buy a sandwich that cost more than about $6.50. I demand a correction. :mad:
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 18:00
Whoever writes that (original Blog meantioned) needs a life.

And White friends who aren't afraid to get Whackin'
Free Soviets
27-02-2008, 18:02
"Had to have a 2Pac song on this list. I think White People love Pac because he makes them feel like they’ve lost a friend to gang violence."

haha, so true
Gift-of-god
27-02-2008, 18:02
Awww...you're an exception! Now people can rant about white people and say things like, 'but not you, you're one of the good ones' :D

Awesome! White people love it when nonwhites compliment them. It means that the coloured person understands that the white person isn't racist. White people like that.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:06
Essentially this.

Also, I am white and I would never buy a sandwich that cost more than about $6.50. I demand a correction. :mad:

Awww...you're an exception! Now people can rant about white people and say things like, 'but not you, you're one of the good ones' :D
Newer Burmecia
27-02-2008, 18:09
I smell bullshit. I drink from the tap, like, every day. In fact, I don't do most of the things on there. So there you go.
Sparkelle
27-02-2008, 18:11
I liked #69 and #70. I don't mind people making fun of white stereo-types at all
Newer Burmecia
27-02-2008, 18:11
Essentially this.

Also, I am white and I would never buy a sandwich that cost more than about $6.50. I demand a correction. :mad:
Sandwiches cost close to that (considering the exchange rate) at my Union, if I remember rightly. But for around, what, $3.50 you can get a great roast pork, stuffing and apple sauce and stuffing sandwich on West Street. Yummy.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:14
Awesome! White people love it when nonwhites compliment them. It means that the coloured person understands that the white person isn't racist. White people like that.

Te quiero:)
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 18:17
Awesome! White people love it when nonwhites compliment them. It means that the coloured person understands that the white person isn't racist. White people like that.
*giggles*

Awww...you're an exception! Now people can rant about white people and say things like, 'but not you, you're one of the good ones' :D
But not only that! I... *gasp* don't have any indie music on my iPod! :shock:

Sandwiches cost close to that (considering the exchange rate) at my Union, if I remember rightly. But for around, what, $3.50 you can get a great roast pork, stuffing and apple sauce and stuffing sandwich on West Street. Yummy.
Indeed. And I can buy bread, assorted cold meats, lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, and cheese for about $25, and make ten sandwiches. (I can even throw in the wax paper wrappings you sometimes see in delis for another $5.)
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:18
I really like this one:
Natural Medicine (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/59-natural-medicine/)

One thing all white people believe is that natural medicine can cure everything. If you want to test this theory, think about which stores supply the bulk of natural/herbal remedies? Thats right! Whole Foods and Organic Co-ops!

Because of a rather shady history, white people do not trust the pharmaceutical industry. Using pretty sound logic, they believe that the drug companies have no motivation to find real cures for things like AIDS since the real profit are in drugs like Viagra and Xanax.

Since white people can’t really blame any race for their problems, they need to blame corporations. In this case, the reason that they are sick or fat or without energy is because the drug companies are in a conspiracy to keep them addicted to placebos. This helps them shed accountability, and it lets them feel like they are helping the environment by rejecting the polluting, greedy, awful drug companies and taking natural, organic medicine from the earth.

But perhaps it goes deeper. Hundreds of years ago, another group of people believed firmly in natural medicine and it’s ability to cure disease. Then white people gave them blankets with small pox and they all died. So perhaps turning to natural medicine also helps white people feel better about killing natives.

I love that many of our traditional remedies for example, were discounted as superstitious barbarisms...but now that 'modern science' has been able to confirm their effects, it's suddenly all the rage to steal our medicine and market it to the white middle class. Yay for science!
Knights of Liberty
27-02-2008, 18:24
So when white people go to concerts at smaller venues, what to do they do? They stand still! This is an important part of white concert going as it enables you to focus on the music, and it will prevent drawing excess attention to you.


Clearly, they have never been to the kind of shows I go to.
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 18:24
I really like this one:
Natural Medicine (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/59-natural-medicine/)



I love that many of our traditional remedies for example, were discounted as superstitious barbarisms...but now that 'modern science' has been able to confirm their effects, it's suddenly all the rage to steal our medicine and market it to the white middle class. Yay for science!

'Tis often claimed that the native americans' natural, herbal medicine obviously didn't work because it couldn't prevent them from dying of smallpox, bubonic plague, and the assortment of other diseases the Europeans brought over.

Those who claim this, however, have apparently overlooked the fact that the NA tribes had never actually encountered smallpox, bubonic plague etc. before the Europeans showed up -- despite saying so initially. Hence, they never had any reason to develop natural, herbal remedies for such diseases: why create a medication for a disease that doesn't exist where you live?
Newer Burmecia
27-02-2008, 18:26
Indeed. And I can buy bread, assorted cold meats, lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, and cheese for about $25, and make ten sandwiches. (I can even throw in the wax paper wrappings you sometimes see in delis for another $5.)
I used to makemy own sandwiches, but now most of my breaks between lectures are at lunchtime, so I have time to go and make something hot, if I feel like it. In any case, making stuff yourself is so much cheaper. I can make two day's worth of Bolognese sauce for the same amount of money it takes just to buy a bottle of Dolmio sauce. And tastes so much better.
Farfel the Dog
27-02-2008, 18:28
Stuff white people like....writing stupid lists about what other white people like!:mad:
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 18:28
I'm ENRAGED.

I do not ride a bike!
New Granada
27-02-2008, 18:31
God bless us.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
27-02-2008, 18:31
Nascar!!!:d
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 18:32
Standing still at concerts is my favorite so far, especially "Although it is acceptable to occasionally raise one hand and point just above the stage."

I wish I could dance so that this stereotype wasn't true.
Free Soviets
27-02-2008, 18:36
I love that many of our traditional remedies for example, were discounted as superstitious barbarisms...but now that 'modern science' has been able to confirm their effects, it's suddenly all the rage to steal our medicine and market it to the white middle class. Yay for science!

they were only superstitious barbarism when there were actual naked savages running around. now that there aren't any indians around at all anymore (for which we are deeply sorry, but the past is the past, etc.), we honor their passing by buying expensive products. its win-win. well, except for the now-extinct indians, but nothing we can do about that.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:36
Stuff white people like....writing stupid lists about what other white people like!:mad:

I thought your name was Falafel and I got hungry and took a bite. Sorry.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 18:37
What bothers me the most about the natural medicine fad is that people are so stupid about it. In most cultures that practice natural medicine, only the general medicines are freely used by all. Special practitioners with years and years of experience are in charge of adminstering the stronger (and more dangerous) medicines. But people feel perfectly qualified to go skipping into a natural health store, picking up a bunch of St.John's Wort without the least bit of knowledge of side-effects etc. It's total idiocy.

White people can channel brown people so we don't need to learn anything. As soon as we read about the possibility of something we instantly know everything about it.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:39
'Tis often claimed that the native americans' natural, herbal medicine obviously didn't work because it couldn't prevent them from dying of smallpox, bubonic plague, and the assortment of other diseases the Europeans brought over.

Those who claim this, however, have apparently overlooked the fact that the NA tribes had never actually encountered smallpox, bubonic plague etc. before the Europeans showed up -- despite saying so initially. Hence, they never had any reason to develop natural, herbal remedies for such diseases: why create a medication for a disease that doesn't exist where you live?

What bothers me the most about the natural medicine fad is that people are so stupid about it. In most cultures that practice natural medicine, only the general medicines are freely used by all. Special practitioners with years and years of experience are in charge of adminstering the stronger (and more dangerous) medicines. But people feel perfectly qualified to go skipping into a natural health store, picking up a bunch of St.John's Wort without the least bit of knowledge of side-effects etc. It's total idiocy.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 18:39
I've ridden your bike, don't lie.


don't you dare call me a bike!


pffftt

brown people :rolleyes:
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:40
I'm ENRAGED.

I do not ride a bike!

I've ridden your bike, don't lie.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 18:49
Standing still at concerts is my favorite so far, especially "Although it is acceptable to occasionally raise one hand and point just above the stage."

I wish I could dance so that this stereotype wasn't true.

Yeah this one is hilarious! I went to an Illapu concert years back here in Edmonton...they are a Chilean folkloric band, very high energy. They had the concert in this nice, posh theatre, and the band was so upset that everyone was sitting down nicely and not dancing, that they stopped the show and demanded dancing or they'd leave.

So a bunch of us jumped up on stage to dance :D It had been unbearable...everytime I, or anyone (not white) stood up to dance, we were given the most horrible evil stares of death until we sat back down. Fucking white people.

I also really love the top 10 rap songs entry. SO TRUE! Except I like those songs too :D
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 18:51
Yeah this one is hilarious! I went to an Illapu concert years back here in Edmonton...they are a Chilean folkloric band, very high energy. They had the concert in this nice, posh theatre, and the band was so upset that everyone was sitting down nicely and not dancing, that they stopped the show and demanded dancing or they'd leave.

So a bunch of us jumped up on stage to dance :D It had been unbearable...everytime I, or anyone (not white) stood up to dance, we were given the most horrible evil stares of death until we sat back down. Fucking white people.

I also really love the top 10 rap songs entry. SO TRUE! Except I like those songs too :D


Well it's not fair that us whites lost our rhythm as we cultivated our leadership and warfare abilities. You lazy savages just lounged around having siestas as we worked our butts off conquering the world.
Mythotic Kelkia
27-02-2008, 18:56
lol, funny. It's more accurately "stuff white middle-class liberal americans like" but still, very amusing. Everyone whose taking it too seriously, I assume it's becaise the joke strikes too close to home? :p
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:02
Other things White people like. Hanging out with minorities so they can show just how accepting and cool they are!

To prove this point, just google "Black People Love Us"

:D

You're using a satire site to back up a satire site?
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 19:02
Other things White people like. Hanging out with minorities so they can show just how accepting and cool they are!

To prove this point, just google "Black People Love Us"

:D


Thats a funny site too.

Stuff white people like also cover this though
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 19:04
The defensive/angry comments are the best though.

Some people are really clueless - "I'm white and went to college and I don't like The Daily Show, so it looks like your list is wrong."
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 19:05
they were only superstitious barbarism when there were actual naked savages running around. now that there aren't any indians around at all anymore (for which we are deeply sorry, but the past is the past, etc.), we honor their passing by buying expensive products. its win-win. well, except for the now-extinct indians, but nothing we can do about that.

That's just the price of progress. Surely you understand that it was the White Man's burden to bring civilization to the Indian savages. They simply couldn't take civilization though. It killed them...
CthulhuFhtagn
27-02-2008, 19:06
Well, it looks like I'm not white.

Guess I can't go around calling people "crackers" and "whitey" anymore.
Wilgrove
27-02-2008, 19:08
Other things White people like. Hanging out with minorities so they can show just how accepting and cool they are!

To prove this point, just google "Black People Love Us"

:D
Nanatsu no Tsuki
27-02-2008, 19:12
Ha ha, Europeans can't threaten to move anywhere!

*is smug*

We can't?:(
Greater Trostia
27-02-2008, 19:12
Yeah yeah, it was aimed at middle class liberal mainstream America, but using the "white people" race angle makes it more controversial and thus gets more attention. Ooh, ahh, how daring and bold and new and clever these generalizations are!
Jello Biafra
27-02-2008, 19:17
Ha ha, Europeans can't threaten to move anywhere!

*is smug*
Laerod
27-02-2008, 19:18
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?I usually drink tapwater, just not in places where it tastes bad, such as the US.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:19
Yes! What, we're suppose to be serious about this?

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpgMore like, I'm not sure you are aware what's satire and what's not.
Greater Trostia
27-02-2008, 19:19
Ha ha, Europeans can't threaten to move anywhere!

*is smug*

Well they could threaten to move to the USA. That'd be almost a serious a threat (and perhaps deep personal insult) to Europeans as moving to Canada is to us....
Wilgrove
27-02-2008, 19:19
You're using a satire site to back up a satire site?

Yes! What, we're suppose to be serious about this?

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:21
Yeah yeah, it was aimed at middle class liberal mainstream America, but using the "white people" race angle makes it more controversial and thus gets more attention. Ooh, ahh, how daring and bold and new and clever these generalizations are!

Agreed...it wouldn't likely get as much attention if 'white' was taken out of it.

I find the comments to be the most amusing. Oh the outrage!
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:26
That's just the price of progress. Surely you understand that it was the White Man's burden to bring civilization to the Indian savages. They simply couldn't take civilization though. It killed them...

Except we're still alive...
Neo Art
27-02-2008, 19:27
More like, I'm not sure you are aware what's satire and what's not.

What's that old line, if you have to explain the joke it ceases to be funny?
Neo Art
27-02-2008, 19:28
Except we're still alive...

pft, if you call that "living"

*drinks out of his bottle of water and pities the poor savages*
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:28
What's that old line, if you have to explain the joke it ceases to be funny?

Precisely.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:29
pft, if you call that "living"

*drinks out of his bottle of water and pities the poor savages*

Kiss my savage arse.
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 19:32
Except we're still alive...

I was being sarcastic, in case you didn't know. I was mocking the prevailing attitude to the mass murder of Native Americans and other indigenous peoples.

I am part Native American, so I know full well that Native Americans are still "alive" even though the vast majority of the culture has been obliterated.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:34
I was being sarcastic, in case you didn't know. I was mocking the prevailing attitude to the mass murder of Native Americans and other indigenous peoples.

I am part Native American, so I know full well that Native Americans are still "alive" even though the vast majority of the culture has been obliterated.

And I am part white, which makes me an expert on whitey.

The vast majority of our culture has hardly been obliterated...no more so than the lack of horse-draw carriages signals the obliteration of the vast majority of anglo culture. Being part Native American, you should be quite aware of that.
Neo Art
27-02-2008, 19:35
Kiss my savage arse.

I'd prefer to do something else to it...
Soyut
27-02-2008, 19:35
"In addition to accumulating sexual partners, binge drinking, drug use and learning, white people consider studying abroad to be one of the most important parts of a well rounded college education."

That is so true, a bunch of my friends went to Germany last summer and they are really snobby about it. Their like, American beer taste like shit, even the German beer they sell here is bad, and, Oh hey do you remember that time in Germany when *blank* happened? And then they start laughing and they refuse to explain what the inside joke is. Oh you didn't go to Germany, you wouldn't understand. Pish posh, dumb spoiled check-casing ass-hats.
Jello Biafra
27-02-2008, 19:39
I love that many of our traditional remedies for example, were discounted as superstitious barbarisms...but now that 'modern science' has been able to confirm their effects, it's suddenly all the rage to steal our medicine and market it to the white middle class. Yay for science!How else can we say we're sorry other than by appropriating your culture? It's what white people do!

We can't?:(Nope. Then again, maybe Greater Trostia is right, and you'll all start threatening to move to the U.S.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:40
I'd prefer to do something else to it...

Will 'savage' still be a valid descriptor? If so, I'm in!
Laerod
27-02-2008, 19:42
*drinks out of his bottle of water and pities the poor savages*What brand?
Siylva
27-02-2008, 19:45
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

Well, it seems less malicious & racist, more inane and stupid. Just some idiot who thinks its funny, and it isn't.
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 19:45
Well they could threaten to move to the USA. That'd be almost a serious a threat (and perhaps deep personal insult) to Europeans as moving to Canada is to us....

I don't know, I've only seen that from the Europeans on the opposite end of the political spectrum -- the kind who rail against political correctness and welfare-statism, and are vehement over the thought of having their culture obliterated by hordes of bloodthirsty, scimitar-wielding Saracens... that is, immigrants from Arab countries.

Nonetheless, it forms something of a circle.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 19:46
Well, it seems less malicious & racist, more inane and stupid. Just some idiot who thinks its funny, and it isn't.

Sounds like something hit too close to home...are you grooving to 'Ice Ice Baby' right now?
Marshmallow Mountain
27-02-2008, 20:01
Im white, but it doesn't bother me much, it was probably made by a white person anyway and is just a bit of a laugh. I don't mind racist jokes mostly, about any racial group, as long as they are not abusive, which i can't really see in this article. I mean, I find it hard to get too offended at 'white people can't drink from taps'? If it was entitled 'what black people like' or 'what asian people like' it wouldnt matter it is was purely humourous and not an outright attack.
Mad hatters in jeans
27-02-2008, 20:12
Im white, but it doesn't bother me much, it was probably made by a white person anyway and is just a bit of a laugh. I don't mind racist jokes mostly, about any racial group, as long as they are not abusive, which i can't really see in this article. I mean, I find it hard to get too offended at 'white people can't drink from taps'? If it was entitled 'what black people like' or 'what asian people like' it wouldnt matter it is was purely humourous and not an outright attack.

So it's positive discrimination based on comedic ideas?
Doesn't it worry you that some people will take this sort of information as true and form worse judgements on other people because of sites like these?
If it said these are just a joke i wouldn't mind, but because it tries to rationalise it's ideas when they're clearly not true (well not most of them, even the ones that might be they aren't proven) some people might take it to be true, yes there are people out there who will believe anything even a giant invisible being who watches over them so this is a walk in the park.
Another reason to query the freedom of speech idea, as you'l get idiots who post plain rubbish and clog up the net for other folks, but if you restrict the internet then it's censorship which is a pretty bad idea for a government to follow (take Pakistan for example).
Free United States
27-02-2008, 20:25
I wonder what number 'Taking other people's land' is...
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 20:38
I wonder what number 'Taking other people's land' is...



It's making fun of peace-loving liberals, not war-mongering conservatives. :p
The_pantless_hero
27-02-2008, 20:50
Well, it seems less malicious & racist, more inane and stupid. Just some idiot who thinks its funny, and it isn't.

Yuppies traditionally don't have a proper sense of humor.
Posi
27-02-2008, 20:51
Fuck this, I'm moving to Europe.
Free United States
27-02-2008, 20:53
It's making fun of peace-loving liberals, not war-mongering conservatives. :p

Whitey is whitey anyway you say it...
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 21:40
"In addition to accumulating sexual partners, binge drinking, drug use and learning, white people consider studying abroad to be one of the most important parts of a well rounded college education."

That is so true, a bunch of my friends went to Germany last summer and they are really snobby about it. Their like, American beer tastes like shit, even the German beer they sell here is bad, and, Oh hey do you remember that time in Germany when *blank* happened? And then they start laughing and they refuse to explain what the inside joke is. Oh you didn't go to Germany, you wouldn't understand. Pish posh, dumb spoiled check-casing ass-hats.

Well, compared to German beer, your asshats have it right.

ANYway:

So let me get this straight -- all these lists are absolutely law, and anyone white should be ashamed of it. Okay. Is there anything besides snide, ironic carping that can make up for institutional racism, or is this it?

I ask because I recognize not white people in these lists, but some white people. But then, that's the point, right? By seeing that, I'm supposed to be reminded that white people have been doing just that to non-white races (and even Italians, Irishmen, Poles and actual Caucasus caucasians like Arabs and Hebrews) for centuries.

What I read is that reaffirming stereotypes is okay, so long as it's not from the white perspective on other races, and it's done comedically (that's Carlos Mencia's whole career, isn't it?).

I'm clearly too dense to understand why these lists are anything more that mildly amusing (and in fact, they get old quickly), and I know I'm going to be pilloried for even posting (ooh, look, whitey's perplexed!), but seriously -- these lists are clever, and observant of one part of US culture but hardly emblematic of a whole race. Very little is.
Siylva
27-02-2008, 21:44
Sounds like something hit too close to home...are you grooving to 'Ice Ice Baby' right now?

...No, I'm sorry, i'm black, I listen to 2pac, not Vanilla Ice...:(
Neesika
27-02-2008, 21:45
I ask because I recognize not white people in these lists, but some white people. But then, that's the point, right? By seeing that, I'm supposed to be reminded that white people have been doing just that to non-white races (and even Italians, Irishmen, Poles and actual Caucasus caucasians like Arabs and Hebrews) for centuries.
You had it right here.

The sad thing is, as Carnivorous Lickers would like to point out no doubt, is that we can go ahead and make fun of whitey...but it's not going to change the fact that overwhelmingly, whitey is still on top, and the jokes still on us.
Canisian
27-02-2008, 21:46
I've noticed a lot of white people seem to emulate the gangsta style. I guess I don't get this because I don't like gangsta people. And when I hear a gangsta song, it makes me want to go on beat up a wangsta.
Siylva
27-02-2008, 21:46
Yuppies traditionally don't have a proper sense of humor.

I hope you're not calling me a yuppy, because I have a sense of humor. I know whats funny, and some guy droning on and on paragraph after paragraph about bottled water isn't funny.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 21:46
I hope you're not calling me a yuppy, because I have a sense of humor. I know whats funny, and some guy droning on and on paragraph after paragraph about bottled water isn't funny.

You know what's really funny? Someone declaring that what is funny to them must therefore be funny to all...and visa versa. Considering how subjective humour is.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 21:47
You had it right here.

The sad thing is, as Carnivorous Lickers would like to point out no doubt, is that we can go ahead and make fun of whitey...but it's not going to change the fact that overwhelmingly, whitey is still on top, and the jokes still on us.Ah, so now you're half-Irish, when it is convenient to you. :p
Neesika
27-02-2008, 21:50
Ah, so now you're half-Irish, when it is convenient to you. :p

Well why not? When someone can pull out their Indian ancestor from 6 generations ago and patronisingly tell me that they therefore understand aboriginal culture...why shouldn't I be able to play on the fact that I'm half Irish :P? Especially with St.Paddy's Day coming up...
Neesika
27-02-2008, 21:50
White people love to laugh

Fucking colonialist bastards!
Zilam
27-02-2008, 21:51
That is a bunch of BS man. It wasn't even funny at all.
Zilam
27-02-2008, 21:54
I've noticed a lot of white people seem to emulate the gangsta style. I guess I don't get this because I don't like gangsta people. And when I hear a gangsta song, it makes me want to go on beat up a wangsta.

Wangtsa? Seriously, this thread has brought my from asleep to very unhappy in 2.5 seconds.

There is nothing wrong with a Caucasian who enjoys the urban culture. I love how we are supposed to be multi-cultural, but when a white kid tries to be urban, he gets made fun of, or looked down upon.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 21:55
White people love to laugh
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 21:56
You had it right here.

The sad thing is, as Carnivorous Lickers would like to point out no doubt, is that we can go ahead and make fun of whitey...but it's not going to change the fact that overwhelmingly, whitey is still on top, and the jokes still on us.

I suppose.

I just don't see how writing Sedaris-like monologues (irony, anyone?) on middle-class white cultural phenomena as if it were universally white is going to help.

Trust me, spend some time in the Dakotas, and you'll see very little of that site's lists in evidence. Depending on where I go, I'll see more Sioux than honkies outside the city. And the honkies here are those Scandinavians and Germans from Russia for whom Minnesota was too liberal.
The Cat-Tribe
27-02-2008, 21:58
WTF?
That has to be the most racist thing i have seen, other than Chris Rock (who i find a witty comedian with some interesting jokes).

The whole thing reeks of racism without real justification for it's findings.
Having said that i can roughly see where the poster is coming from, as it's true White people do tend to have better opportunities in life (although nowadays this is changing), it's hard to see how you can apply this to practically everything.
I also detect a hint of paranoia in this.

EDIT:Threadsteal! teeheehee.

If that blog and Chris Rock are the "most racist thing[s]" you have ever seen, please tell me what nice cave you live in where there aren't any real racists.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 21:59
Well why not? When someone can pull out their Indian ancestor from 6 generations ago and patronisingly tell me that they therefore understand aboriginal culture...why shouldn't I be able to play on the fact that I'm half Irish :P? Especially with St.Paddy's Day coming up...

I hear that I have Irish blood in me too. Wanna come over and we can paint each other green and drink and fight. I'll show you my blarney stone.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 22:00
Fucking colonialist bastards!

Aboriginals love to blame everything on whitey.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 22:02
Well why not? When someone can pull out their Indian ancestor from 6 generations ago and patronisingly tell me that they therefore understand aboriginal culture...why shouldn't I be able to play on the fact that I'm half Irish :P? Especially with St.Paddy's Day coming up...I figured that would be the other time you pull that out...
[NS]Fergi America
27-02-2008, 22:02
I think the site's hilarious. Sure, some of it doesn't fit anyone I know. But some of it fits PERFECTLY!! :p

And, the "coffee" entry reminded me to add "fair trade/fair labor" to some product descriptions where it applies. I'd been being lazy and doing stuff like posting on here instead, but after reading the comments for that entry, I figure I'd better get to it LOL.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 22:03
Well why not? When someone can pull out their Indian ancestor from 6 generations ago and patronisingly tell me that they therefore understand aboriginal culture...why shouldn't I be able to play on the fact that I'm half Irish :P? Especially with St.Paddy's Day coming up...

I have enough Chippewa in me to apply for some scholarships/aid (paternal great-grandmother). I found the idea ethically repugnant, considering that I'm lily-white and had all the benefits of lily-white middle-class America growing up in the 70s and 80s.

If you wanna drag out Irish ancestry to enjoy green beer, that's cool and frothy with me. I'll be the one in orange, getting his ass kicked (my mother's relatives from Europe were Ulster Protestant Scotch-Irish).

Not that any of that stuff really matters now.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 22:04
I hear that I have Irish blood in me too. Wanna come over and we can paint each other green and drink and fight. I'll show you my blarney stone.I haz Welsh...
And Belgian...

And the obligatory German.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 22:04
Wangtsa? Seriously, this thread has brought my from asleep to very unhappy in 2.5 seconds.

There is nothing wrong with a Caucasian who enjoys the urban culture. I love how we are supposed to be multi-cultural, but when a white kid tries to be urban, he gets made fun of, or looked down upon.

There's a difference between enjoying and attempting to appropriate and act the part. That difference is where Wangstas and Wiggers come in...and shit all over everything.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:05
You had it right here.

The sad thing is, as Carnivorous Lickers would like to point out no doubt, is that we can go ahead and make fun of whitey...but it's not going to change the fact that overwhelmingly, whitey is still on top, and the jokes still on us.

how preemptive of you. Isnt being preemptive a "white" characteristic?

There is no joke- as you work your way up, you become more "whitey"-like.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 22:11
I haz Welsh...
And Belgian...

And the obligatory German.

then start acting it! Don't try to be your own person dammit. You cannot deny your responsibility to further stereotypes.

Also I am supposedly also English and German. I never did learn anything about my family history. It was never something my family paid attention to.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 22:13
Then we agree on both counts. Plus the additional count of your possession of a fine Native ass.

What? Someone else mentioned it earlier, and I wanted to second it.

I'd bury my face in it
again
The_pantless_hero
27-02-2008, 22:14
I hope you're not calling me a yuppy, because I have a sense of humor. I know whats funny, and some guy droning on and on paragraph after paragraph about bottled water isn't funny.
This is fucking hilarious and since you obviously don't understand why then you must be the kind of people they are mainly making fun of - yuppies.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:14
I suppose.

I just don't see how writing Sedaris-like monologues (irony, anyone?) on middle-class white cultural phenomena as if it were universally white is going to help. Then don't approach it as though it's intended to accomplish anything more than amuse some, and piss off others.

Trust me, spend some time in the Dakotas, and you'll see very little of that site's lists in evidence. Depending on where I go, I'll see more Sioux than honkies outside the city. And the honkies here are those Scandinavians and Germans from Russia for whom Minnesota was too liberal.
I think we generally agree this applies better to a certain class of people rather than a specific 'race'.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:15
Also I am supposedly also English and German. I never did learn anything about my family history. It was never something my family paid attention to.

We'll have to get an ethnic detector on this one...
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:17
I'd bury my face in it
again

I'd make it a pole vault
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 22:18
Then don't approach it as though it's intended to accomplish anything more than amuse some, and piss off others.


I think we generally agree this applies better to a certain class of people rather than a specific 'race'.

Then we agree on both counts. Plus the additional count of your possession of a fine Native ass.

What? Someone else mentioned it earlier, and I wanted to second it.
Wilgrove
27-02-2008, 22:20
What's that old line, if you have to explain the joke it ceases to be funny?

More like, I'm not sure you are aware what's satire and what's not.

:rolleyes: Yes, I know was satire is, and I got the joke. That why I made the refrence to the site "Black People Love Us". Jeez, what kind of idiot do you guys take me for?

I now return you to your regularly scheduled condescending attitudes.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 22:21
then start acting it! Don't try to be your own person dammit. You cannot deny your responsibility to further stereotypes.

Also I am supposedly also English and German. I never did learn anything about my family history. It was never something my family paid attention to.Meh. All my American heritage is pre-revolution anyway.
Nodinia
27-02-2008, 22:23
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

It was probably a good title until he/she ran out of things that were excusively the preserve of Whitey. Theres a few dodgies in there at the start but certainly once we get into the '60's' , the well is running bone dry.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:24
Fact is, I'm not even remotely Irish, I have no link to the culture or people or anything Irish...I can 'pass' as white because of it, but why would I want to? :P

maybe if you wanted to play golf with me,or something like that ?
Laerod
27-02-2008, 22:25
What would be the first time?That post a page or so back where I called you on it...

Fact is, I'm not even remotely Irish, I have no link to the culture or people or anything Irish...I can 'pass' as white because of it, but why would I want to? :PYou occasionally get into fights in bars come St. Paddy's Day. How's that not Irish? =P
Oh, and you want to because it's naughty. >=D
Wilgrove
27-02-2008, 22:25
I can 'pass' as white because of it, but why would I want to? :P

To attend our White Only meeting where we plan how to keep other people down? :p
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:26
I figured that would be the other time you pull that out...

What would be the first time?

Fact is, I'm not even remotely Irish, I have no link to the culture or people or anything Irish...I can 'pass' as white because of it, but why would I want to? :P
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:27
I have enough Chippewa in me to apply for some scholarships/aid (paternal great-grandmother). I found the idea ethically repugnant, considering that I'm lily-white and had all the benefits of lily-white middle-class America growing up in the 70s and 80s. Good, I think you made the right decision.

If you wanna drag out Irish ancestry to enjoy green beer, that's cool and frothy with me. I'll be the one in orange, getting his ass kicked (my mother's relatives from Europe were Ulster Protestant Scotch-Irish). Na, the only time I bring out my Irish ancestry is when I need to say, 'I'm not racist, hey, my dad's white' :P

Was that the first time Laerod? :D
Nodinia
27-02-2008, 22:28
Whew, good thing I like it in the fine native ass, or all this ass fixation could become problematic :P

And luckily you didn't get the irish ass, as not all find the hair thing attractive.
Mirkai
27-02-2008, 22:29
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

Satire of stereotyping is enjoyable when it's funny. This is just boring.
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 22:30
And I am part white, which makes me an expert on whitey.

The vast majority of our culture has hardly been obliterated...no more so than the lack of horse-draw carriages signals the obliteration of the vast majority of anglo culture. Being part Native American, you should be quite aware of that.

*sigh*

Your intentionally being argumentative about this. I would consider the wholesale slaughter of the vast majority of the Native American population and the forced conversion of the remaining survivors to Christianity and prevailing Anglo-American culture to be "obliteration". Which, mind you, I do not consider to be a good thing. It was a crime of the highest magnitude.

I never said I was an expert, I was merely remarking that I understand the fact that Native Americans still exist and are still clinging onto their culture.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:30
how preemptive of you. Isnt being preemptive a "white" characteristic?

There is no joke- as you work your way up, you become more "whitey"-like.

You're just mad cuz I said it before you did, and now you can't be nearly as smug :P

The joke is that everything we hate about 'whitey' is what we have to embrace in order to get ahead. What makes THAT so funny is that things have changed to the extent that whitey embraces non-white things in very shallow ways, which creates the situation where you might have, for example, a Chinese person emulating 'whitey' by superficially enjoying Chinese culture via westernized-chinese-fast-food and Jet-Li movies.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:33
Then we agree on both counts. Plus the additional count of your possession of a fine Native ass.

What? Someone else mentioned it earlier, and I wanted to second it.

Whew, good thing I like it in the fine native ass, or all this ass fixation could become problematic :P
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:34
*sigh*

Your intentionally being argumentative about this..Yes. Must be the Irish in me.


I would consider the wholesale slaughter of the vast majority of the Native American population and the forced conversion of the remaining survivors to Christianity and prevailing Anglo-American culture to be "obliteration". Which, mind you, I do not consider to be a good thing. It was a crime of the highest magnitude..
It`s very sad that you have such a low opinion of our ability to survive.

Many of us died. But not all, and those deaths did not result in our obliteration, physically or culturally. Forced conversion and assimilation were damaging beyond all belief...but obviously not entirely successful. The fact that we continue to have so many difficulties with mainstream Anglo culture is because WE AREN`T IN IT.

My grandmother is fluent in our language. Many of our elders remain fluent in our languages. They also retain the traditions, although Christianity has been blended in quite seamlessly in some cases. There has been loss in my mother`s generation, but many of those in my generation are relearning our languages with the help of the elders, and have never stopped practicing our traditions. Among my specific community, there has remained an unbroken line of adherence to our cultural values and traditions. There are those who have discarded those values and traditions, or who have had them stripped away, but we remain to help those that want to come back. I can not fathom why you would think that somehow we lost it all...the only explanation for your error is complete and utter ignorance.

I never said I was an expert, I was merely remarking that I understand the fact that Native Americans still exist and are still clinging onto their culture.

And I`m saying that you don`t actually understand what you claim to understand. I`m being intentionally argumentative because it`s important to correct these kinds of errors before they become accepted as truth.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:35
You occasionally get into fights in bars come St. Paddy's Day. How's that not Irish? =P
Oh, and you want to because it's naughty. >=DWhat about when I get into fights in bars the other 364 days of the year hahahahhaaa....

Naughty is good!
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:37
Satire of stereotyping is enjoyable when it's funny. This is just boring.

And now I point out again that humour is not universal.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:39
*gets hard because he finds that hot*

Except I don`t find fucking racists hot. :P
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:39
You're just mad cuz I said it before you did, and now you can't be nearly as smug :P

The joke is that everything we hate about 'whitey' is what we have to embrace in order to get ahead. What makes THAT so funny is that things have changed to the extent that whitey embraces non-white things in very shallow ways, which creates the situation where you might have, for example, a Chinese person emulating 'whitey' by superficially enjoying Chinese culture via westernized-chinese-fast-food and Jet-Li movies.

I'm never smug, my delicious tart

"We"- like there is some organization.

You dont hate things about whitey- you hate that whitey may have and you have-not.
Whitey embracing non-white things is sad- its probably a result of some self loathing.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:41
maybe if you wanted to play golf with me,or something like that ?

Golf.

`Nuff said.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:41
*sigh*

Your intentionally being argumentative about this. I would consider the wholesale slaughter of the vast majority of the Native American population and the forced conversion of the remaining survivors to Christianity and prevailing Anglo-American culture to be "obliteration". Which, mind you, I do not consider to be a good thing. It was a crime of the highest magnitude.

I never said I was an expert, I was merely remarking that I understand the fact that Native Americans still exist and are still clinging onto their culture.


you failed to notice her warpaint. She is all riled up.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 22:41
What about when I get into fights in bars the other 364 days of the year hahahahhaaa....

Naughty is good!
Again, how's that not Irish?
Hence the lecherous smiley =P
The Atlantian islands
27-02-2008, 22:43
Whew, good thing I like it in the fine native ass, or all this ass fixation could become problematic :P
*gets hard because he finds that hot*
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:46
Golf.

`Nuff said.

"Lucy-you cant come to the club." 'nuff said
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:50
I'm never smug, my delicious tart You might not like to acknowledge it as such, telling yourself 'it's just how it is', but there is definitely smugness to it.

"We"- like there is some organization. NWA baby...the Non-White Association. It's world-wide.

You dont hate things about whitey- you hate that whitey may have and you have-not. Na. I have plenty...don't need the culture that makes one always feel empty and in need of more consumer goods, thanks.
Whitey embracing non-white things is sad- its probably a result of some self loathing.

Yeah, couldn't at all be disatisfaction with North American consumer culture.
Neo Art
27-02-2008, 22:51
Whew, good thing I like it in the fine native ass, or all this ass fixation could become problematic :P

I thought all you natives were "redskin" and such, you're far too pale to have a redskin ass...we might have to get it a bit redder...
The Atlantian islands
27-02-2008, 22:52
Except I don`t find fucking racists hot. :P
Bah...I'm only a "fucking racist" (or did you mean the acting of fucking people who are "racist":p) to the far left or over-sensative people. In reality I'm a highly social person who gets along with people just fine, regardless of their race.

But enough about me...back to anal sex.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:53
you failed to notice her warpaint. She is all riled up.

Meh, you should know better...this is far from riled up.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:54
Again, how's that not Irish?
Hence the lecherous smiley =P

Well cuz drunken Indians like to whoop it up too...guess that's one of those traits we share?
Neo Art
27-02-2008, 22:55
Meh, you should know better...this is far from riled up.

seriously, no heavy breathing, no flushed skin, no ripping off her clothes and grabbing strangers into nearby closets.

This is Sin decidedly calm.
Powells Return
27-02-2008, 22:56
It's tongue-in-cheek humor, folx. Don't over-personalize it, because it is meant to be SATIRE.

It's funny because it exaggerates aspect of "white" culture that are observed by other groups and by whites themselves. It is not meant to be overtly literal, as it is SATIRE (he said.)

Please do relax, already.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 22:56
I thought all you natives were "redskin" and such, you're far too pale to have a redskin ass...we might have to get it a bit redder...

I do mark up nicely.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:57
Na. I have plenty...don't need the culture that makes one always feel empty and in need of more consumer goods, thanks.


Yeah, couldn't at all be disatisfaction with North American consumer culture.

Who feels empty? Who feels in need?

Thats speculation meant to calm those with no experience. Bitter have-nots.

Its like people chanting that size doesnt matter. Til they have size.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 22:59
Meh, you should know better...this is far from riled up.

Of course I do, but whitey knowing better upsets you too...
You're clearly looking for a fight.

I'm so smug I dont need to fight.

C'mon Neesika-come over to the dark side.

You know you want it. You're obsessed with it. Its within your grasp.
Laerod
27-02-2008, 23:01
Well cuz drunken Indians like to whoop it up too...guess that's one of those traits we share?Ah, but the Irish tend to be able to hold their liqueur better. Did you inherit that as well? =S

I do mark up nicely.Not warpaint we're talking about here, is it? =o
Neesika
27-02-2008, 23:02
Who feels empty? Who feels in need?[ Plenty of people feel empty and in need, even surrounded by wealth. That's the point. Material things don't fulfill you in and of themselves. A bigger tv does not increase your happiness by some objective happy-point.

Thats speculation meant to calm those with no experience. Bitter have-nots.

Its like people chanting that size doesnt matter. Til they have size.

I could have plenty of 'things', I can certainly afford them. I choose not to, because I don't give a shit about Blue-Ray or Hummers. I'm happier hunting in the bush, and sleeping in a tent.
Nodinia
27-02-2008, 23:02
Bah...I'm only a "fucking racist" (or did you mean the acting of fucking people who are "racist":p) to the far left or over-sensative people...

......or people who read your posts/threads.
Honsria
27-02-2008, 23:04
yeah, this seems a lot less connected to being white, and a lot more connected to being in a certain social class.
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 23:04
Yes. Must be the Irish in me.

Knock the racial stereotyping off. I know it is tongue in cheek, but it is simply uncalled for.

It`s very sad that you have such a low opinion of our ability to survive.

Where did I ever say that I thought that Native American's had a low ability to survive? I didn't. You're being combative about all the wrong things to the wrong people.

Many of us died. But not all, and those deaths did not result in our obliteration, physically or culturally. Forced conversion and assimilation were damaging beyond all belief...but obviously not entirely successful. The fact that we continue to have so many difficulties with mainstream Anglo culture is because WE AREN`T IN IT.

I understand that. We have the problem of equivocation here. "Obliterate" does not mean "completely and utterly destroy." It is quite frankly absurd to put words in my mouth and say that I do not understand when you haven't even taken the time to clarify and understand what I'm saying.

My grandmother is fluent in our language. Many of our elders remain fluent in our languages. They also retain the traditions, although Christianity has been blended in quite seamlessly in some cases. There has been loss in my mother`s generation, but many of those in my generation are relearning our languages with the help of the elders, and have never stopped practicing our traditions. Among my specific community, there has remained an unbroken line of adherence to our cultural values and traditions. There are those who have discarded those values and traditions, or who have had them stripped away, but we remain to help those that want to come back. I can not fathom why you would think that somehow we lost it all...the only explanation for your error is complete and utter ignorance.

What is true for your tribe is not true for all tribes. My great-grandfather's tribe was completely assimilated. He was one of the last that still held onto Native American heritage. I applaud your efforts and the efforts of your family, but what is true for your community is not true for all. Some are more successful than others. Some have not been given the chance. Perhaps it is my bias from coming from the Eastern US, where the white man has had more time to crush most of the Native American cultures, but it seems true where I now live in Montana.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 23:06
yeah, this seems a lot less connected to being white, and a lot more connected to being in a certain social class.


or more specifically : social class + political persuasion
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 23:06
Plenty of people feel empty and in need, even surrounded by wealth. That's the point. Material things don't fulfill you in and of themselves. A bigger tv does not increase your happiness by some objective happy-point.


I could have plenty of 'things', I can certainly afford them. I choose not to, because I don't give a shit about Blue-Ray or Hummers. I'm happier hunting in the bush, and sleeping in a tent.

Only on TV.

You can tell everyone else this stuff, but you know me,Neesika.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 23:08
or more specifically : social class + political persuasion

dont forget the shoes- you can tell a lot about a man by his shoes.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 23:11
Knock the racial stereotyping off. I know it is tongue in cheek, but it is simply uncalled for. Are you kidding me? My racial stereotyping is in fact tongue in cheek. Yours, you pass off as knowledgable information. Who is doing more harm to 'race relations' here, hmmm?



Where did I ever say that I thought that Native American's had a low ability to survive? I didn't. You're being combative about all the wrong things to the wrong people. You stated our culture has been all but obliterated. Clearly, that suggests we were unable to survive the onslaught of European colonialism. The interesting thing is that we have gone through horrific treatment and we still survive. You completely devalue that fact when you talk about our extinction. What you did was worse that say Native Americans had a low ability to survive. You have discounted our tenacity and our ability to adapt.

I understand that. We have the problem of equivocation here. "Obliterate" does not mean "completely and utterly destroy." It is quite frankly absurd to put words in my mouth and say that I do not understand when you haven't even taken the time to clarify and understand what I'm saying. In what version of the English language does obliterate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obliterate) NOT mean to completely and utterly destroy? Seriously. Perhaps if you do not want such misunderstandings, you should more wisely choose your words hmmm? You are doing yourself no favours trying to alter ater the fact the common usage of the word you used.



What is true for your tribe is not true for all tribes. My great-grandfather's tribe was completely assimilated. He was one of the last that still held onto Native American heritage.Sucks for them. And as you pointed out, your 'tribe' is not all tribes. Canada has a large and thriving aboriginal population with hundred of communities that are still connected to their culture. The US has even larger communities that can boast the same. Just because you have no links to your Native American heritage does not mean you can generalise, as you have done, and state that we were obliterated. Oh, excuse me, I mean, whatever other word you actually meant to use that didn't connote cultural extinction.



I applaud your efforts and the efforts of your family, but what is true for your community is not true for all. Some are more successful than others. Some have not been given the chance. Perhaps it is my bias from coming from the Eastern US, where the white man has had more time to crush most of the Native American cultures, but it seems true where I now live in Montana.
I think your bias comes from lack of knowledge, more than anything. Also the fact that unlike Canada, aboriginal communities in the US tend to be more consolidated, large, and self-sustaining, so that there isn't nearly as much aboriginal/non-aboriginal contact. You are a lot less likely to run into aboriginal people in the US outside of specific tribal territories than you are in Canada.

Essentially what I'm saying is that just because you, living in the Eastern US, do not see many 'authentic' natives running around, does not mean they do not in fact exist, or that you can speak authoritatively about them. As for my ability to do so...well, we 'Indians' tend to keep in touch, regardless of where the borders are.
Vindelicum
27-02-2008, 23:12
Wow, that was pretty rediculous... funny, and partially true, but sorta racist too.
Neesika
27-02-2008, 23:13
Only on TV.

You can tell everyone else this stuff, but you know me,Neesika.

Yeah but I don't consider you 'white establishment' :P
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 23:15
dont forget the shoes- you can tell a lot about a man by his shoes.


White people like Micheal Jordans because it makes them look tolerant
The_pantless_hero
27-02-2008, 23:29
The only bad part about this is if I did "Stuff black people like," I would get 3 zillion emails saying I'm a racist and get a C&D from the NAACP within a week.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 23:32
In what version of the English language does obliterate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obliterate) NOT mean to completely and utterly destroy?

Ordinary casual usage?

For instance, from a quick Google:
BYE-BYE BUSHARRAF-- PAKISTANI VOTERS OBLITERATE MUSHARRAF'S POLITICAL PARTY (http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/02/bye-bye-busharraf-pakistani-voters.html)
LAst Night's Action: Lakers Obliterate Hawks (http://laist.com/2008/02/20/last_nights_act_118.php)

/pedantry
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 23:33
You stated our culture has been all but obliterated. Clearly, that suggests we were unable to survive the onslaught of European colonialism. The interesting thing is that we have gone through horrific treatment and we still survive. You completely devalue that fact when you talk about our extinction. What you did was worse that say Native Americans had a low ability to survive. You have discounted our tenacity and our ability to adapt.

And since when does me pointing out the fact that 95 percent of the indigenous population of the Americas was wiped out by 1890 translate into me discounting their will to continue struggling on? I never said anything of the sort, and it is foolish to think that I implied it.

In what version of the English language does obliterate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obliterate) NOT mean to completely and utterly destroy? Seriously. Perhaps if you do not want such misunderstandings, you should more wisely choose your words hmmm? You are doing yourself no favours trying to alter ater the fact the common usage of the word you used.

Perhaps I should instead not choose to argue with people who can't be reasoned with. I should have chosen my words more carefully. My mistake. Don't crucify me for that fact.
New Limacon
27-02-2008, 23:36
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

I am proud (?) to say that this is a site I discovered before the scouting party of NSG.
The entries I've read I find hilarious. I think if the author's didn't keep the scientific, objective style they have, it would cease to be funny satire and just become stupid racist jokes. As it stands, I enjoy it.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 23:37
White people like Micheal Jordans because it makes them look tolerant

some like to say they spent over $100.00 on a pair of sneakers.

I buy New Balance made in the US. You wouldnt catch me-or my kids-in any of those dopey looking,far too expensive sneakers- made in China,no less.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 23:39
The only bad part about this is if I did "Stuff black people like," I would get 3 zillion emails saying I'm a racist and get a C&D from the NAACP within a week.


you should read some of the comments on the Stuff White People Like - they are really getting hammered by people who don't get it.
New Limacon
27-02-2008, 23:41
you should read some of the comments on the Stuff White People Like - they are really getting hammered by people who don't get it.

Yeah, some of them are taking it a little too seriously.

The problem with any "edgy" humor is that if it isn't clever it just looks intolerant.

EDIT: A good rule of thumb is something Charles Shultz said. Paraphrasing, "It's funny to see the weak attack the strong. A little boy being mean to a little girl isn't funny. A little girl being mean to a little boy? That's funny."
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 23:42
I am sick and fucking tired of being lashed out at by people who I'm on the same side of the fence with. This is the third time this fucking week.

It does get a little tiresome. Some people just want to fight.

And-when the asteroid starts heading directly for us, there will be no fence.


And-whitey will have to save everyone. :p
Trotskylvania
27-02-2008, 23:45
you failed to notice her warpaint. She is all riled up.

I am sick and fucking tired of being lashed out at by people who I'm on the same side of the fence with. This is the third time this fucking week.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-02-2008, 23:55
I think you still might be missing the point. Any serious responses will give me this impression.

I know,I get the point, but I take the opporotunity to tell you about me anyway.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 23:58
some like to say they spent over $100.00 on a pair of sneakers.

I buy New Balance made in the US. You wouldnt catch me-or my kids-in any of those dopey looking,far too expensive sneakers- made in China,no less.

I think you still might be missing the point. Any serious responses will give me this impression.
Sumamba Buwhan
27-02-2008, 23:59
Yeah, some of them are taking it a little too seriously.

The problem with any "edgy" humor is that if it isn't clever it just looks intolerant.

EDIT: A good rule of thumb is something Charles Shultz said. Paraphrasing, "It's funny to see the weak attack the strong. A little boy being mean to a little girl isn't funny. A little girl being mean to a little boy? That's funny."

Hah! So true.
Sumamba Buwhan
28-02-2008, 00:00
oh please. You guys know Neesika started this thread so that she could have a fight right? That's why white people love self-loathing. No, that didn't make sense.
Sumamba Buwhan
28-02-2008, 00:05
I know,I get the point, but I take the opporotunity to tell you about me anyway.

And everyday I grow to love you more. 'Cuz I'm white.
Bann-ed
28-02-2008, 00:15
A common characteristic amongst white people is the need to over analyze things, so they partake in activities such as therapy, writing a blog, or becoming an arts major.

Heh.
I don't think it was racist at all. Stereotypical though and amusing.

Since I really did not fit into any of those categories... *is no longer white*
Mad hatters in jeans
28-02-2008, 00:38
oh please. You guys know Neesika started this thread so that she could have a fight right? That's why white people love self-loathing. No, that didn't make sense.

So why did you post in it? and not in my thread eh? I rarely look for fights.
I thought it was so she could have a laugh.
Amor Pulchritudo
28-02-2008, 01:25
I believe it's supposed to be sarcastic and satirical.

But it ends up just coming across as stupid and ignorant, especially since the things mentioned aren't exactly exclusively things that "white people" do.
New Genoa
28-02-2008, 01:27
If I rip my skin off does that make me non-white ? Cuz I don't want to be white anymore if I have to do all that stuff !!
New Limacon
28-02-2008, 01:34
Heh.
I don't think it was racist at all. Stereotypical though and amusing.

Since I really did not fit into any of those categories... *is no longer white*

After reading some posts, I did get the probably very bad idea to make a "How White are You" personality quiz.
Bann-ed
28-02-2008, 01:37
But it ends up just coming across as stupid and ignorant, especially since the things mentioned aren't exactly exclusively things that "white people" do.

I don't think it stated anywhere that this was the case. However, that is one of the reasons it is funny. It is moreso funny because those are things that certain people do, and we all like to laugh at certain people.
Amor Pulchritudo
28-02-2008, 01:38
Stuff white people like....writing stupid lists about what other white people like!:mad:

Stuff Caucasian Hungarian-Australians like: Laughing at people who say things like that.

Other things White people like. Hanging out with minorities so they can show just how accepting and cool they are!

To prove this point, just google "Black People Love Us"

:D

That one's really funny.

I've noticed a lot of white people seem to emulate the gangsta style. I guess I don't get this because I don't like gangsta people. And when I hear a gangsta song, it makes me want to go on beat up a wangsta.

Please, do not increase your post count. Remain a lurker, for when you do not speak no one can tell that you're a fool.

yeah, this seems a lot less connected to being white, and a lot more connected to being in a certain social class.

Agreed.

I believe it's supposed to be sarcastic and satirical.

But it ends up just coming across as stupid and ignorant, especially since the things mentioned aren't exactly exclusively things that "white people" do.

Plus, it's not that funny. It's kind of boring, really. There are better sattire sites.
New Limacon
28-02-2008, 02:09
I don't think it stated anywhere that this was the case. However, that is one of the reasons it is funny. It is moreso funny because those are things that certain people do, and we all like to laugh at certain people.

True. The trick to good comedy is to make people think you're insulting, say, their neighbor, but not them. Never them.

By the by, NPR (which itself appeared on the list) has a story about this site here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/02/stuff_white_people_like_1.html). It also has a link to a LA Times column, which does a good job "deconstructing" it.
The Blaatschapen
28-02-2008, 02:21
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

Huh, the bottles of water issue is totally untrue here. If any, you only buy bottles of water to:

A) have a bottle so you can put tap water in it the next time you're somewhere without a tap (say the beach or train)
B) Are foreign and don't trust our tap water

We(Dutch) never even think about moving to Canada. Belgium, maybe, for tax reasons. Or germany, for housing cost reason. So yes, money is the only issue here, really :p

Oscars? The only Oscar worth mentioning plays in the Muppet show.

For the rest: tl;dr.
Sumamba Buwhan
28-02-2008, 04:05
So why did you post in it? and not in my thread eh? I rarely look for fights.
I thought it was so she could have a laugh.

Because I think the site she shared is funny, am a friend of Neesika's and wanted to participate in the fun of seeing people getting riled up over a joke. I'm also a member of the message board she mentioned in the OP.

I have no idea what thread of yours you are talking about.

Neesika gets her laughs from fights.
Kanabia
28-02-2008, 04:27
I didn't find it racist, its a piece of satire. It was mildly amusing.
Chumblywumbly
28-02-2008, 04:34
Mos Def’s entry made me spill my tea laughing. :p
Carnivorous Lickers
28-02-2008, 04:35
And everyday I grow to love you more. 'Cuz I'm white.

so white people like carnivores too...
Xocotl Constellation
28-02-2008, 04:40
It reminds me of that "MyBlackFriends.com" deal. Where its meant to be satyrical, but comes across with an undertone of just plain racism.
New Limacon
28-02-2008, 04:42
So now that we know what middle-class liberal white people like, who will make a list for poor white people?

Middle class asians? Poor black folk? Middle class blacks?

Satire herren und damen, have at it!

Those lists already exist, not necessarily on the Web, but in popular conception. Part of the reason the "Stuff White People Like" was created, I believe, was because we seem to assume that blacks, Hispanics, women, etc., all act as unified groups. Read anything about the primaries in the US and you'll see mention of "the black vote" or "the older women vote."
New Granada
28-02-2008, 04:47
So now that we know what middle-class liberal white people like, who will make a list for poor white people?

Middle class asians? Poor black folk? Middle class blacks?

Satire herren und damen, have at it!
Carnivorous Lickers
28-02-2008, 04:58
So now that we know what middle-class liberal white people like, who will make a list for ....



...normal white people ?
Sneaky Puppet
28-02-2008, 05:17
I don't fit the profile of "white people" as stereotyped in the link. Does this mean I'm a minority?

76. I drink tap water

75. I have no desire to move to Canada

74. I don't care about the Oscars or hollywierd in general

73. Gentrification? WTF? I'm a country boy.

72. I attended a community college, and I never studied abroad.

71. Being the only white person around? I don't get it.

70. Difficult breakups? This implies that non-whites feel nothing about loving and leaving. Indicative of either immoral culture or differing societal values. Either way, pointing out this difference serves no purpose in elevating minority culture.

69. I hate gangsta rap. I know who Mos Def is, sort of. Don't really care.

68. who's Michel Gondry?

67. I don't attend rock concerts. I prefer folk music festivals.

66. what can I say? pointless diatribe.

65. see above. I don't play co-ed sports, though, so I don't really know.

64. I recycle when possible, but I don't obsess about it. I guess that's because I use relatively few plastic bottles (see 76 above)

63. Not me. I don't go to expensive sandwich shops. I'm a cheapskate.

62. The author accurately describes many democrats here, but not all whites. And not me. I'm too busy trying to stave off poverty to obsess about the poor. I'm 2 paychecks away from poor right now.

All in all, I don't think it was serious, and any attempt to take it seriously is crazy. That, or I'm half non-Caucasian just because of this list.
United Chicken Kleptos
28-02-2008, 05:17
Drunk Commies threw this link (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/) up over on UMP, and I have a burning need to share it with you all.

I'd like to hear your comments on any of the entries. It hath amused me greatly. Controversial/racist/true/ what think you?

Holy crap! He knows I like Asian women!
Barringtonia
28-02-2008, 05:25
I laughed but then I'm white so I can - if I see any minority laughing at this then I'm beating the crap out of them.

Eddie Murphy: Mick Jagger's lips' so big, black people be going, "You got some big-ass lips!"

Funny is as funny does - it's when humour is pointedly used as a negative stereotype aimed specifically at denigrating a particular race that it crosses the line between humour and racism
Jello Biafra
28-02-2008, 12:58
I am sick and fucking tired of being lashed out at by people who I'm on the same side of the fence with. This is the third time this fucking week.Calm down, you just disagree, that's all. {hug}

But enough about me...back to anal sex.Okay, bend over.
Mad hatters in jeans
28-02-2008, 14:32
Because I think the site she shared is funny, am a friend of Neesika's and wanted to participate in the fun of seeing people getting riled up over a joke. I'm also a member of the message board she mentioned in the OP.

I have no idea what thread of yours you are talking about.

Neesika gets her laughs from fights.

I have two threads at the moment, earthquake. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550646)
and ideal topic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550489).
Andaluciae
28-02-2008, 15:31
Well it's not fair that us whites lost our rhythm as we cultivated our leadership and warfare abilities. You lazy savages just lounged around having siestas as we worked our butts off conquering the world.

80% of global land area by 1914 *grumbles*

Stupid, fucking Serbians ruined it just as it was getting good.
Nodinia
28-02-2008, 17:05
I could have plenty of 'things', I can certainly afford them. I choose not to, because I don't give a shit about Blue-Ray or Hummers. I'm happier hunting in the bush, and sleeping in a tent.

As long as said Tent has good traditional broadband, presumably...