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Geert Wilders, the controversial Dutch politician with the interesting hair, has been angering a lot of people lately - especially people that like Islam.
Countries like Pakistan and Iran have already officially requested the Dutch government to forbid the broadcast and production of his planned 15 minute "anti-Islam" movie.

The sensationalist newspaper "De Telegraaf" now reports that Al Queda has pronounced Jihad against him, wants his throat sliced and has called upon terrorism against the Netherlands.

Thoughts ? Do note that the movie is not out yet (some people even believe it is all a hoax to get exactly the response it is getting) and that noone knows what it will actually contain. Nevertheless several anti-anti-Islam movies already have been made.

It's a win-win deal for extremist fruitcakes.

Gene Wilder gets to play the "M05l3m5 r 3b1l" card and free publicity for his film, and if the story is true Al'Qaeda gets more "See? The West h8s Muslims" bullshit for their usual propaganda.

My thoughts are: If he want's to kill himself then go ahead, we'd be better of without him.
He is a populist, thanks to the dead of Pim Fortuiyn and Theo van Gogh he tries to give the impression that ALL islamists are evil incarnate (even whorse than communists:p)...

and about banning the movie, that's impossible due to one of our groundrights: the freedom to express yourself.

I think that it is now time for moslims to rpve that they aren't the monsters which the populists claim them to be...

otherwise... I don't care really.

My thoughts are: If he want's to kill himself then go ahead, we'd be better of without him.
He is a populist, thanks to the dead of Pim Fortuiyn and Theo van Gogh he tries to give the impression that ALL islamists are evil incarnate (even whorse than communists:p)...

and about banning the movie, that's impossible due to one of our groundrights: the freedom to express yourself.

I think that it is now time for moslims to rpve that they aren't the monsters which the populists claim them to be...

otherwise... I don't care really.

Just a litle fyi: Pim Fortuin was exectued by a left-wing radical dutchmen, not by a muslim.


Geert Wilders is a total idiot, all he does is hurl abuse at muslims, i'm quite convinced he'll use this Al Q message as more "proof" of the evil-muslim-conspiracy. I swear, that guy just has no contact with reality at all.

It's a win-win deal for extremist fruitcakes.

Gene Wilder gets to play the "M05l3m5 r 3b1l" card and free publicity for his film, and if the story is true Al'Qaeda gets more "See? The West h8s Muslims" bullshit for their usual propaganda.

They're like some sort of perpetual motion parasites, feeding off each other...

Just a litle fyi: Pim Fortuin was exectued by a left-wing radical dutchmen, not by a muslim.And apparently one that was mentally unstable to boot.

No-one is forcing them to watch the film. And we don't even know how 'anti-Islam' the film is going to be, just rumours.

They're like some sort of perpetual motion parasites, feeding off each other...

So.. how can we solve this ? Call an exterminator ?

And apparently one that was mentally unstable to boot.

Personally, i consider everyone who kills people to be quite of his rocker.

You know, I eagerly await the Dutch response.

Geert is a bit extreme, even for me....and I will say that I much prefered Pim to Geert, but I do think Geert has the right idea in general. Use freedom of speech to test Islam to see if it is compatible with Western culture and the ideas of our enlightenment. If not, then it has no place here.

make it as controversial as possible to sell tickets is hardly a new tactic

though why not make a cross over have Saw Muslims?

You know, I eagerly await the Dutch response.

"where all too stoned to care" would be the answer

*makes movie about the Dutch* :p

make it as controversial as possible to sell tickets is hardly a new tactic

though why not make a cross over have Saw Muslims?



"where all too stoned to care" would be the answer

*makes movie about the Dutch* :p

You'd be surprised at how many people in the Netherlands do not use drugs :p

Oh, and I tend to ignore Wilders, his message is very uninteresting.

That said, I do believe that all extremists should come here and smoke the pot, peace bro' :cool:

This is just another reason why islamic extremists have to be encouraged to pie snipe instead. *nod*

I do not agree with Geert Wilders on lots of issues, however, I do think it is his right to question anything he likes about Islam, just as one can question Judaism, Nazism, Liberalism, Communism, Christianity, Budhism, Hinduism, Paganism (or general theism).

People living in an Western democracy however should learn to deal with its the plural nature. Various groups have their own outlook on life and that's fine, however, no group should demand "special" treatment for their (religious) beliefs nor force their beliefs upon others. The state is supposed to be a neutral entity governing the interests of the various groups living together. However, it should be noted that it should remain neutral towards all.

And today there are once again protests in Pakistan against both the famous cartoons and this upcoming movie.

What I would absolutely adore is if the movie would paint a magnificient image of Mohammed. Noble, great leader, generous and so on. Without ever showing him "to avoid idol worship and remind people they should only worship Allah" - but still an example for all men for all time.

And between that show clips of the protesters. Of Bin Ladens "greatest hits". A famous teddy bear. Sharia law being applied in the stoning of a homosexual.

I wonder what the response would be...


As an aside, since it fits both the topic title and the theme - some Dutch Christians were seriously upset by an image of God deepthroating a transmitter mast that appeared in a newspaper a few days ago. The image itself alluded to the wake a group of Christians held when one of the public broadcasting stations showed the old porn movie "deep throat".
So far no planes have crashed in the newpapers main offices.

This topic seems eerily familiar...

And today there are once again protests in Pakistan against both the famous cartoons and this upcoming movie.

It was not the regular riff-raffs. It was done by the "banned" Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (Army of the Companions) - a very virulent anti-shia organisation. They are responsible for the killings of several hundred shia professionals in targeted killings. This is other than sectarian riots and other such things. They have also declared jihad against "Denmark and the west if they continue to insult Islam".

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/03/01/story_1-3-2008_pg1_2

Geert is a bit extreme, even for me....and I will say that I much prefered Pim to Geert, but I do think Geert has the right idea in general. Use freedom of speech to test Islam to see if it is compatible with Western culture and the ideas of our enlightenment. If not, then it has no place here.

So what do you propose to do about mmm, those several million Muslim's in America if someone in the Middle East reacts violently hmm? The ones who haven't gone about blowing up buildings or killing people. At least no more so than the average citizen.

I don't particularly care for any religion, but for the most part, they're fine (not cults. Big difference). Most religions were written without being overly restrictive integration wise, or if there were some tenets doing so, became ignored. It's the culture you have to take a look at if you want to talk about compatibility.

That and extremism.

So what do you propose to do about mmm, those several million Muslim's in America if someone in the Middle East reacts violently hmm? The ones who haven't gone about blowing up buildings or killing people. At least no more so than the average citizen.

You know his answer: Internment Camps followed by Mass Deportations.

I don't particularly care for any religion, but for the most part, they're fine (not cults. Big difference). Most religions were written without being overly restrictive integration wise, or if there were some tenets doing so, became ignored. It's the culture you have to take a look at if you want to talk about compatibility.

That was Fortuyns message, yes.
( Well, at least I assume it was under all the populism.)

Wilders sofar has been somewhat.. "less able" to make the distinction between the religion and culture. That is why I hope his film will glorify Mohammed while harsly commenting on the behaviour of some of his "followers".

It's a win-win deal for extremist fruitcakes.

Gene Wilder gets to play the "M05l3m5 r 3b1l" card and free publicity for his film, and if the story is true Al'Qaeda gets more "See? The West h8s Muslims" bullshit for their usual propaganda.

Gene Wilder (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000698/)? What did the man ever do to you? He was in Blazing Saddles for crying out loud!

Do note. Geert Wilders the Dutch politician is not the same person as Gene Wilder, the american actor.

Gene Wilder (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000698/)? What did the man ever do to you? He was in Blazing Saddles for crying out loud!

Do note. Geert Wilders the Dutch politician is not the same person as Gene Wilder, the american actor.

I know, it was just playing on stereotypical American indifference/ignorance of foreign names.

Geert Wilders, the controversial Dutch politician with the interesting hair, has been angering a lot of people lately - especially people that like Islam.
Countries like Pakistan and Iran have already officially requested the Dutch government to forbid the broadcast and production of his planned 15 minute "anti-Islam" movie.

The sensationalist newspaper "De Telegraaf" now reports that Al Queda has pronounced Jihad against him, wants his throat sliced and has called upon terrorism against the Netherlands.

Thoughts ? Do note that the movie is not out yet (some people even believe it is all a hoax to get exactly the response it is getting) and that noone knows what it will actually contain. Nevertheless several anti-anti-Islam movies already have been made.

why doesn't he get a real job like so many other people, rather than try to scare people into believing this outdated rhetoric.
I say his punishment is routine manual work for the rest of his life.
As for the response terrorism in the Netherlands? what a daft idea.
Anyone Al Queda has not pronounced a Jihad on recently? no? why can't they look at the positive aspects of society rather than try to burn it to the ground?

Give Wilders a break. Sure, he's unislamic, but not as unislamic as al qaeda, hezbollah, hamas...