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Hezballoh
26-02-2008, 13:23
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 13:23
When I was 15.
NERVUN
26-02-2008, 13:27
When I was 20, it was... not something that turned out too well.
Hobabwe
26-02-2008, 13:31
I was 17, my gf was 16, we had no clue at all...

With hindsight, it was hilarious. At the time i felt like a total idiot.
Thankfully: Practice makes perfect ;)
Big Jim P
26-02-2008, 13:39
So long ago, I think there might have been a dinosaur involved.
Peepelonia
26-02-2008, 13:57
Bwahaha I ain't saying.
Reeka
26-02-2008, 14:00
19, though I'm surprised I held off that long looking back.
UN Protectorates
26-02-2008, 14:14
Almost 20. Still a virgin.

Pity me. :(

Of course, I haven't been terribly proactive in my efforts to find a partner. All the women I get to know become friends rather than potential partners, and I'd rather not spoil my friendships with awkward sex.

It's tough for me to find someone I like, and then have the guts to make proper advances before I become too friendly and go past the point of no return.

Oh well. Please, continue.
Maraque
26-02-2008, 14:16
2001, when I was 13.
Kyronea
26-02-2008, 14:17
Eighteen.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
26-02-2008, 14:21
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p

I think I was 16 or 17. Unremarkable, to say something.:rolleyes:
Kryozerkia
26-02-2008, 14:36
I was 20 years old.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
26-02-2008, 14:42
I'm close to 21 and haven't had my first time yet. I'm choosing to wait until I'm married.
Intestinal fluids
26-02-2008, 15:30
I'm close to 21 and haven't had my first time yet. I'm choosing to wait until I'm married.

I understand the morality of that and all but thats like buying a new car without even opening the doors first. You could doom yourself to a long lifetime of sexual misery and incompatability all based on random chance? No thanks.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
26-02-2008, 16:15
I understand the morality of that and all but thats like buying a new car without even opening the doors first. You could doom yourself to a long lifetime of sexual misery and incompatability all based on random chance? No thanks.

No, I'm not opposed to a little ... how to say this? ... play. I'm just choosing not to go all the way.
Gothicbob
26-02-2008, 16:22
In a one night stand at 18 on helloween with a ugly chick cos i dint think i could do better.
it was not nice! but she dint seem to notice :confused: or was she just being nice? i never know
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 17:19
I haven't had it yet (I'm 15). As it would be illegal for a month or two yet I'd see it as plain silly.

Also I'm very Victorian. It wouldn't feel right if I wasn't married.

In any case, the thought of sex leaves me hollow. The Romance that led to it is far more important to me. I'd wait until either we were engaged if I felt really sure, but as I have doubt about everything I'd probably wait until I was married.
:(
Also I can't find anyone I'd like enough to do such things with.
:( :(

Maybe I'm too picky. My requirements list makes the Doomsday book look like a raffle ticket.:D
Fascist Dominion
26-02-2008, 17:26
I'm close to 21 and haven't had my first time yet. I'm choosing to wait until I'm married.

How old is that? Forty? :p

I imagine I'll be about 23, barring an unexpected death or something of the like.
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 17:37
Maybe I'm too picky. My requirements list makes the Doomsday book look like a raffle ticket.:DYou'll grow out of that.
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 17:46
You'll grow out of that.

I doubt it.

I'm a hopeless romantic.

Therefore I have to be picky, to make some of my dreams come true.

Also, I've felt like this my whole life.

Like the whole on-the-outside-looking-in thing.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 17:50
I have yet to couch, and it is possible I never will. It is a such an unintellectual activity. It is also talked-about more than Bush, and has been for far too long.

Sex is dull.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:50
How old is that? Forty? :p

I imagine I'll be about 23, barring an unexpected death or something of the like.
You get enough fun as for now anyway. :p ;)


As for me...18. I don't even remember much about it, other than the fact that it was painful and not enjoyable at all. My second time having sex was hilarious though.
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 17:51
I doubt it.

I'm a hopeless romantic.

Therefore I have to be picky, to make some of my dreams come true.

Also, I've felt like this my whole life.

Like the whole on-the-outside-looking-in thing.Didn't you say you were, like, 15?
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:51
I have yet to couch, and it is possible I never will. It is a such an unintellectual activity. It is also talked-about more than Bush, and has been for far too long.

Sex is dull.
Sex only seems dull if you've never had it. ;)
Guibou
26-02-2008, 17:52
Why no poll? I'm curious about how geek/"pure" we all are...

Also, to those who say sex is dull, I can only respon that it is the people who do it that are dull. It can't be dull if there are emotions involved, and if there are no emotions involved, well, I find it useless...but that's just me...

(I was 15 btw)
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:53
Didn't you say you were, like, 15?
Now you've done it, Jello. We have to take the ranting and raving from him saying he's not a kid now. :p
Dundee-Fienn
26-02-2008, 17:53
My second time having sex was hilarious though.

My favourite kind :p
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 17:53
I understand the morality of that and all but thats like buying a new car without even opening the doors first. You could doom yourself to a long lifetime of sexual misery and incompatability all based on random chance? No thanks.

Maybe he does not consider amount of "fun" he can have with his spouse's body an important factor in choosing a life-time partner?
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 17:54
Sex is dull.

Hooray!!!!!!!

Someone who has a similar feeling to me!!
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:54
Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

This is why I am repulsed by Paris Hilton.
I think we all are repulsed by her. You seem to be suggesting that sexy and intelligent are mutually exclusive as qualities in a woman, which is completely false.
Dundee-Fienn
26-02-2008, 17:55
Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

This is why I am repulsed by Paris Hilton.

Are you under the impression that saying "I would like to be sexually compatible with my wife/partner" is the same as saying "Sexual compatibility would be my prime factor (or only factor) looked for in a future wife/partner"
Vojvodina-Nihon
26-02-2008, 17:55
I've decided to wait until all sexually transmitted diseases are totally eradicated, there is a form of 100% effective contraception available, and the government has completely backed out of marriage.
in all seriousness: 'd'rather not talk about it, but felt the need to make a silly comment.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:56
My favourite kind :p
My friend knocked on my door in the middle of it, asking my boyfriend for computer help. We kind of paused, and waited, and pretended we weren't there. Eventually, when we thought she went away, we went back at it. :p After we were done, she called me, and I said we'd go help her. As we were getting dressed, she came over to knock on my door again. It was hilarious, because we were scrambling to find our clothes, but it's literally impossible to find your underwear after sex, I swear.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 17:57
Maybe I'm too picky. My requirements list makes the Doomsday book look like a raffle ticket.:D

Ah, but have you developed an algebraic formula?
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 17:58
Nope, never got algebra.

I have got three basic requirements:

1. Must be Female.

2. Must have a well formed mind.

3. Must share my beliefs (Religious and most of my political)
Being in a relationship with someone who shares exactly the same opinions and values as you is not necessarily a good thing.
Dundee-Fienn
26-02-2008, 17:59
My friend knocked on my door in the middle of it, asking my boyfriend for computer help. We kind of paused, and waited, and pretended we weren't there. Eventually, when we thought she went away, we went back at it. :p After we were done, she called me, and I said we'd go help her. As we were getting dressed, she came over to knock on my door again. It was hilarious, because we were scrambling to find our clothes, but it's literally impossible to find your underwear after sex, I swear.

The first time I visited my girlfriends house in England I was sleeping at the opposite end of the house but she would sneak down in the morning for some early morning fun. Her dad knocked on the door one day and asked if I wanted any breakfast and, before I could stop her, my girlfriend absent mindedly answered herself as well. It was an interesting few weeks I must say
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 17:59
Hooray!!!!!!!

Someone who has a similar feeling to me!!

Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

This is why I am repulsed by Paris Hilton.
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 18:00
Nope, never got algebra.

I have got three basic requirements:

1. Must be Female.

2. Must have a well formed mind.

3. Must share my beliefs (Religious and most of my political)
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 18:08
Being in a relationship with someone who shares exactly the same opinions and values as you is not necessarily a good thing.

I want my children raised just so.

Yes, I do read too much LM Montgomery!

But also, I want a wife whom I should be always proud of.

I'd also like her to outlive me.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 18:09
The first time I visited my girlfriends house in England I was sleeping at the opposite end of the house but she would sneak down in the morning for some early morning fun. Her dad knocked on the door one day and asked if I wanted any breakfast and, before I could stop her, my girlfriend absent mindedly answered herself as well. It was an interesting few weeks I must say
Haha. Ouch. That's even worse. At least my parents don't know anything about us, since we're both a continent from our parental units. But you know what's the funniest thing? The friend who interrupted us, she is so pure and innocent that she refuses to say the words "sex" or "penis". She was a little traumatized when she found out exactly what we were doing when she knocked. :p
I want my children raised just so.

Yes, I do read too much LM Montgomery!

But also, I want a wife whom I should be always proud of.

I'd also like her to outlive me.
You want your children raised with the exact same ideals as what you have? That's a disaster in the making.

Of course everybody want spouses they can be proud of, but that doesn't necessarily mean she has to agree with you on every single issue. I am very proud of my boyfriend, and I love him very much, but we argue like crazy over things like gun control and the presidential race.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 18:09
No, I am saying that a sexually appealing woman can still be repulsive.
Whoever said Paris Hilton's sexually appealing?
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:10
Nope, never got algebra.

I did...easier than love, anyway.

I have got three basic requirements:

1. Must be Female.

Check.

2. Must have a well formed mind.

Check.

3. Must share my beliefs (Religious and most of my political)

Eh. I do not really mind this myself. I suppose I would like my partner to believe in God, but I would not have to have that. Aside from your first requirements, what matters to me is that she has good sense of humor and does not take herself seriously. I would also like her to be kind, yet cynical.

But deep-down, I doubt I will find a compatible woman.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:11
I want my children raised just so.

Yes, I do read too much LM Montgomery!

But also, I want a wife whom I should be always proud of.

I'd also like her to outlive me.

Tsk-tsk. One of the seven deadly sins....
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:13
I think we all are repulsed by her. You seem to be suggesting that sexy and intelligent are mutually exclusive as qualities in a woman, which is completely false.

No, I am saying that a sexually appealing woman can still be repulsive.
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 18:14
Yet I should risk it.

Love is, after all, more important than life.

And I should like her to be proud of me.

Also I want her to be pretty. Not sexy or well endowed, but to have a nice face.

And I want her to be able to look after children, I want lots.

Mainly because I love children.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 18:15
My uncle, along with a few people on this forum.
Ewww...those people aren't sane.
Feb 30th... tho that might change in the future... don't know when tho.
:fluffle:

I hope it changes. :)
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:15
Are you under the impression that saying "I would like to be sexually compatible with my wife/partner" is the same as saying "Sexual compatibility would be my prime factor (or only factor) looked for in a future wife/partner"

I am saying it is an overly large factor if you are willing to break-up with a woman simply because her sex does not "do it" for you.
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 18:17
Now you've done it, Jello. We have to take the ranting and raving from him saying he's not a kid now. :pLol. I wasn't saying he was 'just a kid', but people tend to develop more realistic standards as they get older.
The Atlantian islands
26-02-2008, 18:17
So you know....everyone here saying sex is dull hasn't had sex.

Sex is fun..there's no way to find it dull.

I mean...first of all...no guy can find a blowjob dull...and if they do, the girl isn't doing it right.

No girl can find getting eaten out dull, and if they do the boy isn't doing it right.

Then there are things like rough sex, anal sex (heterosexual, of course) ect ect that are there IN CASE regular sex should ever became dull, which it doesnt.
Dundee-Fienn
26-02-2008, 18:18
But you know what's the funniest thing? The friend who interrupted us, she is so pure and innocent that she refuses to say the words "sex" or "penis". She was a little traumatized when she found out exactly what we were doing when she knocked. :p


I think that sounds like a good opportunity to have some leverage over her. Threats of details should ensure you always get your way :p
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:18
Yet I should risk it.

Love is, after all, more important than life.

If you find it.

And I should like her to be proud of me.

Also I want her to be pretty. Not sexy or well endowed, but to have a nice face.

I think people do tend to confuse attractiveness with "sexiness".

And I want her to be able to look after children, I want lots.

Mainly because I love children.

Kids are great.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:19
Whoever said Paris Hilton's sexually appealing?

My uncle, along with a few people on this forum.
JuNii
26-02-2008, 18:20
Feb 30th... tho that might change in the future... don't know when tho.
The Atlantian islands
26-02-2008, 18:20
Feb 30th... tho that might change in the future... don't know when tho.
You're set to lose it on the 30th? Whats up?
My uncle, along with a few people on this forum.
I might do her...just because she looks sooo slutty and like she's into some rough sex. Maybe I'd do her just to be able to smack her during sex or something....so I'd feel better...."yeah that dumb bitch may be getting all the media attention that should be focused on other important aspects of life...but atleast I gave that bitch's face the 5 finger salute!"
Dundee-Fienn
26-02-2008, 18:21
You're set to lose it on the 30th? Whats up?



Check the month
Zilam
26-02-2008, 18:33
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p


Surprisingly enough, I am hoping that my first time comes from the Middle East, especially from a gorgeous lebanese woman. ;)
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 18:41
So you know....everyone here saying sex is dull hasn't had sex.

So you know....[sic] everyone here saying (that) War and Peace is dull hasn't read it.

Sex is fun..there's no way to find it dull.

War and Peace is fun...there's no way to find it dull.

I mean...first of all...no guy can find a blowjob dull...and if they do, the girl isn't doing it right.

I mean...first of all...I can't--I mean, no guy can find Tolstoy dull...and if they do, they aren't reading him right.

No girl can find getting eaten out dull, and if they do the boy isn't doing it right.

No girl can find reading Tolstoy dull either, and if they do they aren't reading it right.

Then there are things like rough sex, anal sex (heterosexual, of course) ect ect that are there IN CASE regular sex should ever became dull, which it doesnt.

Then there are things like Pushkin, Dostoevsky (translated into English, of course)(,) ect(.) ect(.) (T)hat are there IN CASE War and Peace should ever become dull, which it doesnt [sic].
Evycon
26-02-2008, 19:02
Hooray!!!!!!!

Someone who has a similar feeling to me!!


Me too! Me too!

Come on Comrades, let's join together and take over the world!

And yes, War and Peace is a very interesting piece of literature, not a long time ago there was also a Movie about it, but the book is better.
Hezballoh
26-02-2008, 19:07
Surprisingly enough, I am hoping that my first time comes from the Middle East, especially from a gorgeous lebanese woman. ;)
true, lebanese woman are *coughs* very friendly and how shall we say? um, have large amounts stamina
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 19:08
[QUOTE]=The Parkus Empire;13483167]If you find it.


QUOTE]

Why shouldn't I?

I have every intention of hunting it down like a deer.

And catching it.
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 19:10
Lol. I wasn't saying he was 'just a kid', but people tend to develop more realistic standards as they get older.
Yeah, you were. :p
I think that sounds like a good opportunity to have some leverage over her. Threats of details should ensure you always get your way :p
Nah. My friends already shared all the detail there was. >.>
Mott Haven
26-02-2008, 19:17
Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

.

At least, assuming your intention is to read to her.
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 19:26
Or to talk with her over cream teas in the Lake District.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 19:36
Me too! Me too!

Come on Comrades, let's join together and take over the world!

Not a chance; we have a declining population.

And yes, War and Peace is a very interesting piece of literature, not a long time ago there was also a Movie about it, but the book is better.


It is an excellent piece of literature, though I prefer Dostoevsky's writings.

Books are generally superior to movie incarnations; but which movie are you referring to? The one with Audry Hepburn or the (rather lengthy) Russian one?
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 19:37
At least, assuming your intention is to read to her.

Or talk with her...is that no longer vogue?
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 19:39
Why shouldn't I?

I have every intention of hunting it down like a deer.

And catching it.

Good luck. I think a good deal of people try this, though.

I will not waste my time looking. Love may come; probably not. In the mean time, I shall read Jonathan Swift.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
26-02-2008, 19:46
Maybe he does not consider amount of "fun" he can have with his spouse's body an important factor in choosing a life-time partner?

First of all: She.
Second: Sex is only one aspect of a relationship. There's so much more to choosing who you're going to spend the rest of your life with. Yes, it's important that I be attracted to my partner, but you can't go at it 24/7.
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 19:52
If you can talk things over with them, why does the sex matter?It's a form of intimacy that goes beyond talking.
It can also feel nice.
Evycon
26-02-2008, 19:54
Not a chance; we have a declining population.




It is an excellent piece of literature, though I prefer Dostoevsky's writings.

Books are generally superior to movie incarnations; but which movie are you referring to? The one with Audry Hepburn or the (rather lengthy) Russian one?

I think it was the russian version, it was shown in two parts the regiesseur (is that the correct english word for the guy?) was Robert Dornhelm, and it was a coproduction between Eos and ORF.
Dukeburyshire
26-02-2008, 19:57
Me too! Me too!

Come on Comrades, let's join together and take over the world!



Let's.

We could start a group!

*Runs to get Section C of Take-Over-The-World-Plans*

If you can talk things over with them, why does the sex matter?
Privatised Gaols
26-02-2008, 20:03
October 23, 2006.

I was 21 years, 1 month, and 4 days old.
Trotskylvania
26-02-2008, 20:08
I am 19, and still waiting.
Tmutarakhan
26-02-2008, 20:15
the regiesseur (is that the correct english word for the guy?)
It is not an English word for anything; I am having difficulty figuring out what you might mean.
Privatised Gaols
26-02-2008, 20:16
Whoever said Paris Hilton's sexually appealing?

Nobody sane.
Privatised Gaols
26-02-2008, 20:18
Sex only seems dull if you've never had it. ;)

No, it really is dull.

Oral sex, on the other hand...
Zilam
26-02-2008, 20:25
true, lebanese woman are *coughs* very friendly and how shall we say? um, have large amounts stamina

So, I am guessing that means you are from Lebanon, considering your location name, and your knowledge of the best women on the planet :p
Evycon
26-02-2008, 20:28
It is not an English word for anything; I am having difficulty figuring out what you might mean.

i just looked it up in the dictionary, the guy is called director
Trotskylvania
26-02-2008, 20:30
i was 20 or 21, i can't be bothered to figure it out just now. i do remember i was dressed as a zombie cuz it was halloween. he was a cowboy as i remember it.

Evil Dead meets Brokeback Mountain... kinky.
Llewdor
26-02-2008, 20:30
Sex only seems dull if you've never had it. ;)
I'm forced to disagree. It's not really worth the time investment.

To answer the original question, it was March 15, 1998. I was 23.
Infinite Revolution
26-02-2008, 20:34
i was 20 or 21, i can't be bothered to figure it out just now. i do remember i was dressed as a zombie cuz it was halloween. he was a cowboy as i remember it.
Sumamba Buwhan
26-02-2008, 21:34
17
Knights of Liberty
26-02-2008, 21:35
I was 18. It was in the backseat of my car.



Parked in a Church parking lot;)
Jello Biafra
26-02-2008, 21:38
Indeed. It so "deep" that crocodiles can do it.Crocodiles can also communicate; why is communicating such a big deal to you?

So can eating. I still would like to be able to survive without food.Why not just deny yourself pleasure completely?
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 21:38
It's a form of intimacy that goes beyond talking.

Indeed. It so "deep" that crocodiles can do it.


It can also feel nice.

So can eating. I still would like to be able to survive without food.
Sparkelle
26-02-2008, 21:43
Indeed. It so "deep" that crocodiles can do it.

So can eating. I still would like to be able to survive without food.
I'd be soooo not very poor if I could do that. I think sex is just something that you only notice when it's missing.
The blessed Chris
26-02-2008, 21:54
18, actually, my first love was my first.:)
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 22:26
Crocodiles can also communicate; why is communicating such a big deal to you?

Very little is a "big deal" to me; perhaps you can clarify the above?

Why not just deny yourself pleasure completely?

You are under the impression that eating gives me pleasure; it does not. Listening to the Overture to Egmont and reading Thought, by Christopher Pearse Cranch give me pleasure. Fencing gives me pleasure. Eating is just a ball-and-chain to me; a tedious chore. Sex takes even longer than eating, and I do not even need to do it to survive.
Johnny B Goode
26-02-2008, 22:30
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p

With your hand or another person?
Redwulf
26-02-2008, 22:32
You are under the impression that eating gives me pleasure; it does not.

I sugest better tasting food.
The Parkus Empire
26-02-2008, 22:34
I sugest better tasting food.

As in?
Geolana
26-02-2008, 22:53
Hasn't happened yet.

Though, admittingly, it would be easier if I didn't keep my high standard of moral center when I'm drunk (meaning not taking advantage of drunk girls, not religious abstinence stuff).
Ladamesansmerci
26-02-2008, 23:24
No, it really is dull.

Oral sex, on the other hand...
Then you're just not doing it right.
Qoj-Gij Duv
27-02-2008, 00:09
I'm 18 and still a virgin, unfortunately. :rolleyes:

However, I think I can honestly say that I could live my whole live being a virgin. Sex (intercourse) simply isn't something I need. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't get aroused--I wouldn't mind "fooling around" with someone now and again. I simply don't think intercourse is a necessary part of life. Unless you're trying to make babies. ;)

Finding love is just so much more important. Too bad it seems to be eluding me...
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 00:15
Oh, and just a note to all those who insist that sex is boring, useless, difficult, or too time-consuming without having actually tried it, allow me to claim, "Sour grapes." When I was younger I fully believed it to be a waste of time and found nothing attractive in the thought of doing so. It required me to try it to actually be able to say that... yes, it is a waste of time. (unless you do it with the right person, and in the position of choice, et cetera)

And I don't see what's so incompatible between the pleasures of the flesh and the intellect. I can obtain the same dopamine surge from Symphony of Psalms as I can from a good mustardseed-daubed, onion-broiled filet mignon with black pepper and coriander and ... damn you, now you've made me hungry, and where did I put my iPod?
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 00:21
When I was 20, it was... not something that turned out too well.

Huh. We have that in common. I'd like to have that whole episode back.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 00:24
Oh, and just a note to all those who insist that sex is boring, useless, difficult, or too time-consuming without having actually tried it, allow me to claim, "Sour grapes." When I was younger I fully believed it to be a waste of time and found nothing attractive in the thought of doing so. It required me to try it to actually be able to say that... yes, it is a waste of time. (unless you do it with the right person, and in the position of choice, et cetera)

And I don't see what's so incompatible between the pleasures of the flesh and the intellect. I can obtain the same dopamine surge from Symphony of Psalms as I can from a good mustardseed-daubed, onion-broiled filet mignon with black pepper and coriander and ... damn you, now you've made me hungry, and where did I put my iPod?

Nice invalidation of your whole point. And in that terribly clever white font color, no less.

Pleasures of the flesh and of the intellect are not mutually exclusive.
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 00:39
Nice invalidation of your whole point. And in that terribly clever white font color, no less.
Actually, that's exactly the point I was intending to make.

Pleasures of the flesh and of the intellect are not mutually exclusive.
So we agree. I'm referring to an earlier poster in this thread who apparently insisted they were.
Privatised Gaols
27-02-2008, 00:47
Then you're just not doing it right.

Wrong.
The Atlantian islands
27-02-2008, 01:00
Wrong.

Then you're just not doing it right.

Luda just about covers this topic:

What you doin tonight
Some say that sex is overrated, but they just ain't doin it right
I keeps it interestin baby just take them clothes off
I'll be yo Tylenol just take me till you dose off
Wake you up in the middle of the night and take you to another world
You'll wake up in the mornin feelin like another giiirl
Guibou
27-02-2008, 02:15
This thread brings back memories...

Men and women just don't feel sex the same...I mean physically. I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?
JuNii
27-02-2008, 02:56
I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?

now I'm curious... are there any Virgin Girls here who find sex dull, or useless? and how would you know? :p
Zilam
27-02-2008, 03:02
now I'm curious... are there any Virgin Girls here who find sex dull, or useless? and how would you know? :p

I would offer to help run an experiment with me doing hands on tests with them ;)
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 03:04
And I don't see what's so incompatible between the pleasures of the flesh and the intellect.

I never said they were incompatible. I just said flesh should not take precedence.
Jello Biafra
27-02-2008, 03:43
Very little is a "big deal" to me; perhaps you can clarify the above?Because you said that your capacity to talk with her on an intellectual basis is important to you.

You are under the impression that eating gives me pleasure; it does not. Listening to the Overture to Egmont and reading Thought, by Christopher Pearse Cranch give me pleasure. Fencing gives me pleasure. Eating is just a ball-and-chain to me; a tedious chore. Sex takes even longer than eating, and I do not even need to do it to survive.You said that eating can feel nice; do things that feel nice not give you pleasure?
Soheran
27-02-2008, 03:55
Listening to the Overture to Egmont and reading Thought, by Christopher Pearse Cranch give me pleasure.

Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

I feel bad for you. I'm convinced that I'm better than everyone else, too, but I don't feel the need to repress myself as a consequence. ;)
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-02-2008, 04:07
Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

I feel bad for you. I'm convinced that I'm better than everyone else, too, but I don't feel the need to repress myself as a consequence. ;)

The funny thing is, lifelong virgins tend to be pretty hedonistic in general, beyond disregarding sex. They'll often live pretty extravagant lives and spend a lot of cash on luxuries and the like. There have been a bunch of studies done, and I can recall a few from the psych classes I took a few years back as part of my college minor (between this and a couple other threads, they've come in handy today :p).

Of course, there are many separate potential causes of lifelong virginity, from physical defects to personality disorders to simple shyness, and those studies only represent one piece of the pie.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 04:09
The funny thing is, lifelong virgins tend to be pretty hedonistic in general, beyond disregarding sex. They'll often live pretty extravagant lives and spend a lot of cash on luxuries and the like.

Hmm... did they compare life-long virgins to people in childless relationships?
Verdigroth
27-02-2008, 04:13
when I was 22 with Mr Straughn's current wife....yeah I am the man! Honestly I was seduced...I feel for Straughn his wife is insatiable...must explain the twins...
Reeka
27-02-2008, 04:14
This thread brings back memories...

Men and women just don't feel sex the same...I mean physically. I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?

Sex is hardly dull. Or useless, but for two separate reasons. (I think there has been confusion on my gender- Reeka is just a swap up of eh ree kah or air ee kah. Say it out loud, then my gender is obvious. I hope.)

Attacking the second first, sex is useful because it continues the species. Obviously.

Dull? Well, for me it hasn't been. I've been having sex with a friend (he was my first and now that we're both single again...) recently and it's enjoyable because it's something I get to share with a friend... yeah, orgasms are great and all, but I can get those on my own. It's fun to see someone get that excited over something you are doing with them, and it's not only the act of intercourse. It's everything leading up to it and directly following- so starting with kissing and ending with snuggling. I mean, getting off is fun. But helping someone else have an orgasm then getting some quality cuddle-and-cut-up time with a friend is great.
Zilam
27-02-2008, 04:16
when I was 22 with Mr Straughn's current wife....yeah I am the man! Honestly I was seduced...I feel for Straughn his wife is insatiable...must explain the twins...

While you were with his wife...I was with him! :eek: :p
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-02-2008, 04:16
Hmm... did they compare life-long virgins to people in childless relationships?

I don't recall. I wouldn't expect the comparison to be too apt, though, given that you'd be comparing neurotic individuals to healthy ones (beyond lack of conformity to possible familial expectations). In other words, kids or no kids, the ability to form a physical relationship with the opposite sex is there, where as with a lifelong virgin, it wouldn't be in some cases.

Let me mess with Wikipedia for a bit and I'll see if I can't find a few of those studies. Some of them are fascinating. :)
Soheran
27-02-2008, 04:18
I don't recall. I wouldn't expect the comparison to be too apt, though, given that you'd be comparing neurotic individuals to healthy ones (beyond lack of conformity to possible familial expectations).

I wasn't thinking psychologically, just economically. Kids are expensive.
Verdigroth
27-02-2008, 04:20
While you were with his wife...I was with him! :eek: :p

ahh they were on a break. during the time..Straughn is pretty easy.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-02-2008, 04:31
I wasn't thinking psychologically, just economically. Kids are expensive.

Ah, I see what you mean. Sorry about that, I missed the point your question entirely the first time. I don't really recall how the celibate individual's spending stacked up against the childless man/woman's, no. I should think that they would compare it to single people of the same SES, but I don't remember.

Again, there are endless facets to that sort of thing - a lifelong celibate person may do just the opposite due to some sort of anhedonia (say, result of schizoid or schizotypal personality disorder) and *never* spend a cent on pleasurable things, while others may have the impluse to indulge in those things, but not the resources due to chronic unemployment, which might result from a personality disorder again. It's messy, and it's hard to pin down. I just remembered one of my professors being of the opinion I cited earlier, based on a couple studies that I had copies of at one point - the conclusion was that many or the majority of lifelong virgins weren't anhedonic and in many cases were quite the opposite.
Bann-ed
27-02-2008, 04:44
The funny thing is, lifelong virgins tend to be pretty hedonistic in general, beyond disregarding sex. They'll often live pretty extravagant lives and spend a lot of cash on luxuries and the like.

This is bad news. I am too damn cheap...it will probably be cost effective if I hire a prostitute, no?
Hezballoh
27-02-2008, 05:18
So, I am guessing that means you are from Lebanon, considering your location name, and your knowledge of the best women on the planet :p
to yes, oh on a similiar note, if your cousin on your dads side(his sister) has a cousin on his dads side are they related to me by blood?
Hezballoh
27-02-2008, 05:26
With your hand or another person?

person of course!
i tried the hand thing didnt really get the point of it
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 05:45
Luda just about covers this topic:

What you doin tonight
Some say that sex is overrated, but they just ain't doin it right
I keeps it interestin baby just take them clothes off
I'll be yo Tylenol just take me till you dose off
Wake you up in the middle of the night and take you to another world
You'll wake up in the mornin feelin like another giiirl

A fellow so fascinated with his own penis that he writes songs about its exploits. Don Juan so frustrated with the second circle of the Inferno that he has to make us all suffer a hurricane of nonsense. He music has an obnoxious tune, if you can even call it that, and it is completely bereft of meter or rhythm.

You expect me to respect this man's opinion? How ludicrous....
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 05:49
Attacking the second first, sex is useful because it continues the species. Obviously.

Propagation is already in overdrive.

Dull? Well, for me it hasn't been. I've been having sex with a friend (he was my first and now that we're both single again...) recently and it's enjoyable because it's something I get to share with a friend... yeah, orgasms are great and all, but I can get those on my own. It's fun to see someone get that excited over something you are doing with them, and it's not only the act of intercourse. It's everything leading up to it and directly following- so starting with kissing and ending with snuggling. I mean, getting off is fun. But helping someone else have an orgasm then getting some quality cuddle-and-cut-up time with a friend is great.

The above can be compared to many activities, far better than sex. As for "cuddling", I tend to hate people. I smile every day knowing you will die. :D *insane laughing*
Zilam
27-02-2008, 05:51
to yes, oh on a similiar note, if your cousin on your dads side(his sister) has a cousin on his dads side are they related to me by blood?

I think it would be really far distant cousin. Which it doesn't really matter after 4th cousin or so, if you want her/him.
Reeka
27-02-2008, 05:57
Propagation is already in overdrive.

Yeah, but if everyone just stopped having sex because it was "dull" we'd be in trouble sooner or later.

The above can be compared to many activities, far better than sex. As for "cuddling", I tend to hate people. I smile every day knowing you will die. :D *insane laughing*

Sex can't really be compared to many activities, to me at least, because helping someone get an orgasm isn't the same kind of enjoyable as, say, giving a present or helping someone with their math homework. Plus, it's also about being so close with someone you're comfortable being naked and doing something that's usually reserved for very special relationships with them. (That's just me, probably..)

I know the last part was possibly meant as a joke, but it still creeps me the hell out and I generally am not a huge fan of most people.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 05:57
Propagation is already in overdrive.

That's only an excuse for avoiding sex if you lack imagination. ;)

As for "cuddling", I tend to hate people.

:(

*hugs The Parkus Empire*
King Arthur the Great
27-02-2008, 06:11
Things better than sex:

Few and far between. The Giants defeating the Pats 17-14 and ending their perfect (cheated) run is one such example.

I imagine that suddenly discovering that one has super powers on par with Superman would be another. Doing it while flying doesn't count.

As for me, either 18 or 19, depending (let's just say college, and my family history, resulted in nights I'll never remember with friends I'll never forget) on what happened on certain nights/early mornings.
Reeka
27-02-2008, 06:18
Things better than sex:

Few and far between. The Giants defeating the Pats 17-14 and ending their perfect (cheated) run is one such example.

Will say, if Auburn won a national championship, that could possibly be better than sex.

But it'd have to happen first. :(
Tongass
27-02-2008, 06:51
First time:

With my hand? Roughly 2000 ejaculations ago. With a person? Um, my guess is around 2016.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 07:02
Roughly 2000 ejaculations ago.

You count?

With a person? Um, my guess is around 2016.

Oh, eight years isn't so long a time.

Just ninety-six months... 2,922 days... 70,128 hours... 4,207,680 seconds.... If you wait patiently I'm sure you'll be fine.

:)
Hezballoh
27-02-2008, 07:36
I think it would be really far distant cousin. Which it doesn't really matter after 4th cousin or so, if you want her/him.

hmm cus she is my first cousins first cousin, and i was wondering, cus shes coma inducing hot, too bad she has a rich boyfriend :(
Zilam
27-02-2008, 07:38
hmm cus she is my first cousins first cousin, and i was wondering, cus shes coma inducing hot, too bad she has a rich boyfriend :(

Well, let me meet her. I'll make her an American citizen. I bet that trumps a rich boyfriend :p
Tongass
27-02-2008, 07:46
You count?It's an estimate, and now that I really run the numbers, I'm going to put it definitely somewhere between 1800 and 4000.
Straughn
27-02-2008, 07:47
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p

I was too young by most standards, including my own. Scared me away from them femmes for 4 years. Four apparently peaceful years for many other people.
Ryadn
27-02-2008, 07:52
I have yet to couch, and it is possible I never will. It is a such an unintellectual activity. It is also talked-about more than Bush, and has been for far too long.

Sex is dull.

You've never had it, but it's dull?

There's a lot to be said for doing things that aren't purely intellectual. As someone who is far too much inside my own head, things that make me stop analyzing and just be in the present moment (sex, music) are wonderful.
Straughn
27-02-2008, 07:57
You've never had it, but it's dull?

Yes, this kind of post is what fortifies a debate forum. :)
Blouman Empire
27-02-2008, 07:59
The funny thing is, lifelong virgins tend to be pretty hedonistic in general, beyond disregarding sex. They'll often live pretty extravagant lives and spend a lot of cash on luxuries and the like. There have been a bunch of studies done, and I can recall a few from the psych classes I took a few years back as part of my college minor (between this and a couple other threads, they've come in handy today :p).

Of course, there are many separate potential causes of lifelong virginity, from physical defects to personality disorders to simple shyness, and those studies only represent one piece of the pie.

Is this actually true or is it just a urban myth like those where their ring finger is bigger than their index finger are gay, or drinking Mountain dew shrinks your balls?

After all does that mean my friend who spends a lot of money or luxuries is really a virgin and those girls who he takes home end up sleeping in his spare room?

Just out of curiosty so I could have a read do you have any links to these studies
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-02-2008, 08:12
Is this actually true or is it just a urban myth like those where their ring finger is bigger than their index finger are gay, or drinking Mountain dew shrinks your balls?

After all does that mean my friend who spends a lot of money or luxuries is really a virgin and those girls who he takes home end up sleeping in his spare room?

Just out of curiosty so I could have a read do you have any links to these studies

It's true according to a few articles I was given to read as an undergrad many years ago, which I couldn't find today via Google, and therefore can't prove here. In other words, I heard it from a reliable source, but disregard it until you see some evidence. :p
Straughn
27-02-2008, 08:23
Well, let me meet her.
*don'tmentionRuffydon'tmentionRuffydon'tmentionRuffydon'tmentionRuffy*
Verdigroth
27-02-2008, 08:43
You know I used to think that sex was like pizza...when it is good it is really good and when it is bad it is still pretty good. Lately I have had bad pizza and bad sex...so pretty good goes out the window and goes to really bad sex...and I am not talking about naughty sex
Ryadn
27-02-2008, 08:44
Maybe he does not consider amount of "fun" he can have with his spouse's body an important factor in choosing a life-time partner?

That is insane. I'm not being sarcastic, it really IS an important factor. It may not be THE most important factor, but since I plan to, you know, be monogamous when I marry, I am going to marry someone I really enjoy sleeping with.
Straughn
27-02-2008, 08:49
You know I used to think that sex was like pizza...when it is good it is really good and when it is bad it is still pretty good. Lately I have had bad pizza and bad sex...so pretty good goes out the window and goes to really bad sex...and I am not talking about naughty sexThis reminds me of this movie i watched a little while back where the guy mixed his two biggest failures - his personal life and his professional life. It resulted in a happy, fruitful union.
BTW - you haven't told me about this. Must have something to do with those sulfur springs, eh?
And why does your pizza always gotta have the anchovies?

EDIT: BTW, you'd never have to worry about the pizza being free. :p
Potarius
27-02-2008, 09:00
I haven't had it yet (I'm nearing age 20), but a friend of a friend is very interested in me (and I have to say that she's definitely a looker), so we'll see where things go. And if everything goes smoothly, spring break should be quite memorable.
Ryadn
27-02-2008, 09:13
Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

I was a Lit major and I'm also told I'm good in bed. There is no conflict.

I will not waste my time looking. Love may come; probably not. In the mean time, I shall read Jonathan Swift.

I love books more than is even reasonable, but I have to say, even the very best have never induced an orgasm.

Hasn't happened yet.

Though, admittingly, it would be easier if I didn't keep my high standard of moral center when I'm drunk (meaning not taking advantage of drunk girls, not religious abstinence stuff).

You definitely need to do away with that!

This thread brings back memories...

Men and women just don't feel sex the same...I mean physically. I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?

Not at all. I greatly agree with the "most fun you can have for free" line.

Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

Thank you for saying it more eloquently than I would have.
Straughn
27-02-2008, 09:14
I haven't had it yet (I'm nearing age 20), but a friend of a friend is very interested in me (and I have to say that she's definitely a looker), so we'll see where things go. And if everything goes smoothly, spring break should be quite memorable.
*waits for sequel*
Ryadn
27-02-2008, 09:29
Okay, an hour of distractions later!:

19. It was incredibly awkward, painful and regretted. I actually thought that perhaps I would never have sex again, since it was so unenjoyable (for a combination of reasons, not all his fault). I'm incredibly glad I didn't stick to that, because a year later I met my current bf and I found out what the big deal about sex was. :P

As for all the debate here about whether sex is "worth it", important, etc... For me, sex with the person I love more than anyone is an incredible experience, in the same way that sharing music/book passions with him or staying up all night talking and laughing with him is. We're both very intellectual people, and silly people, and sexual people. I don't see why you can't indulge many different pleasures, it doesn't take away from any of them.

And as to physical attractiveness/sexual compatibility, it is NOT the most important thing. Honestly, compatible sense of humor is most important to me--a guy I think is funny will be more attractive than a good-looking dull guy. But there are a lot of important features I look for in a partner, and physical compatibility is one. I am fortunate enough to have found someone who is incredibly smart, ethical, honest, hard-working, hilarious, fun, gorgeous and great in bed. Sometimes you just win at life.
Bewilder
27-02-2008, 09:55
I was very, very young and it was against my will. I've now been having sex for several decades and have done all kinds of things with all kinds of people and never got much out of it. I wish I had understood sooner that it is actually ok that sex doesn't mean anything to me - I would have been much happier.

I'm very happy with my partner of 4 years; we share interests, humour, values and don't have much sex but have a lot of physical affection. I am more at peace with myself within this relationship than at any other time in my life. I'm sure sex is great for a lot of people, but it is fair to say that for some, it really is dull.

Ryadn mentioned "being in the moment" - I understand exactly what you mean by that, but it doesn't happen for me during sex - sex is more like waiting in a queue... You can't be getting on with anything else, but your mind still works.
Tongass
27-02-2008, 10:22
it was against my will.An efficient and specific term for that is "rape".
The Archregimancy
27-02-2008, 10:36
with all the sex related threads recently i have decided to add this:
when was your first time?
and just in case you ask, i havent had it yet. Damn you Middle east damn you! :p

Answering that literally, depressingly so long ago [the 1980s] that most of you (except possibly Bewilder, reading the last couple of posts) weren't even born yet.
Bewilder
27-02-2008, 10:41
Answering that literally, depressingly so long ago [the 1980s] that most of you (except possibly Bewilder, reading the last couple of posts) weren't even born yet.

yay, another oldie :p
Tongass
27-02-2008, 10:49
An efficient and specific term for that is "rape".
I just realized that I sound like a jackass here, but that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to make sure that the right connections were lighting up in people's brains.
Bewilder
27-02-2008, 11:48
I just realized that I sound like a jackass here, but that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to make sure that the right connections were lighting up in people's brains.

ah, okie - wasn't sure how to take it to be honest. Yes, you made the right connection. Thanks for clarifying :)
Laerod
27-02-2008, 12:34
You know I used to think that sex was like pizza...when it is good it is really good and when it is bad it is still pretty good. Lately I have had bad pizza and bad sex...so pretty good goes out the window and goes to really bad sex...and I am not talking about naughty sexYou know how they say "No sex is bad sex,"...
Jello Biafra
27-02-2008, 12:51
You know I used to think that sex was like pizza...when it is good it is really good and when it is bad it is still pretty good. Lately I have had bad pizza and bad sex...so pretty good goes out the window and goes to really bad sex...and I am not talking about naughty sexWell, you know, some pizza is crustier than others.
Amor Pulchritudo
27-02-2008, 13:36
2001, when I was 13.

You're the only one who I've noticed that did it younger than I did.

I was 14. I have no regrets.


Why no poll? I'm curious about how geek/"pure" we all are...

Also, to those who say sex is dull, I can only respon that it is the people who do it that are dull. It can't be dull if there are emotions involved, and if there are no emotions involved, well, I find it useless...but that's just me...

(I was 15 btw)

Geek doesn't equal pure.

Geeks are hot. I lost my virginity to one.

I have yet to couch, and it is possible I never will. It is a such an unintellectual activity. It is also talked-about more than Bush, and has been for far too long.

Sex is dull.

You've never had sex and you've already made assumptions about it. Sex is not an "unintellectual activity", it's natural. Human beings are animals (as I'm sure an intellectual like yourself would know), and most of us naturally feel the need to mate. It's what continues our very existance. Taking a step away from the scientific perspective, sex is also a beautiful thing, and can be enjoyed on a deep "intellectual" level.

Perhaps the reason you never will have sex is because you're such a fool that you compare sex to Bush.

Indeed. A woman's "sex appeal" pales in comparison to her capability for understanding literature.

This is why I am repulsed by Paris Hilton.

I can understand literature, and I'm sexy.

To bad for you, anyone as smart and sexy as me doesn't want to fuck anyeone who compares sex to Bush.

Indeed. It so "deep" that crocodiles can do it.




So can eating. I still would like to be able to survive without food.

That's called an eating disorder.

Very little is a "big deal" to me; perhaps you can clarify the above?



You are under the impression that eating gives me pleasure; it does not. Listening to the Overture to Egmont and reading Thought, by Christopher Pearse Cranch give me pleasure. Fencing gives me pleasure. Eating is just a ball-and-chain to me; a tedious chore. Sex takes even longer than eating, and I do not even need to do it to survive.

1. I repeat my ED statement.
2. You haven't even had sex.
3. You can still enjoy those things - while continuing to live in your little pseudo-intellectual delusion - and enjoy sex as well.


October 23, 2006.

I was 21 years, 1 month, and 4 days old.

It's weird that you know the date.

& It's really weird that you bothered to do the maths.

Nobody sane.

Nobody with good taste.


This thread brings back memories...

Men and women just don't feel sex the same...I mean physically. I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?

Uh, what?

Of course men and women don't feel the same way during sex, but both genders can find some sexual experiences dull or bad. The reason would be that it's bad sex.

First time:

With my hand? Roughly 2000 ejaculations ago. With a person? Um, my guess is around 2016.

It's so funny that you're always posting in the sex threads, especially since you haven't had sex.
Reeka
27-02-2008, 15:35
Geek doesn't equal pure.

Geeks are hot. I lost my virginity to one.

I lost it to a guy who I also spent time playing with an AES test CD. You know, one of those that has pink noise, white noise, does a frequency scan... I'm pretty sure geekiness give a person a lot more sex appeal points than a lot of things.

It's weird that you know the date.

I can name the date when I lost mine. But that's because I have a dated ticket to a show I went to that night. Heh. I can also tell you more about when I lost my virginity than when I had my first kiss, which is apparently opposite of most people? (I can't name where I saw it, but I heard that most people remember their first kiss better than their first time having sex some time long ago.)
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 16:28
The girls in my year have compiled a list of boys to try before the end of the school year (yr11).

And these are the smart ones!

The person about what the point of hand is, allow me to answer.

It's a mildly diverting way to kill a quarter to 2 hours.

As for the whole overcrowding argument, why not encourage people to be sterilised? Cuts the world population and they can still have lots of sex!

I shall wait a while yet. There's a girl I like, but not that much.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 16:35
Because you said that your capacity to talk with her on an intellectual basis is important to you.

And a humorous one. I imagine I would be doing more of that than sex.

You said that eating can feel nice; do things that feel nice not give you pleasure?

Stimulation of nerves does not provide me with enjoyment. It feels nice for some, not for me.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 16:36
Actually, that's exactly the point I was intending to make.

So we agree. I'm referring to an earlier poster in this thread who apparently insisted they were.

Apologies -- my reading comprehension lobe was beset by a sinus headache. Damn weather changes. I get them more in Dakota, where there's no topography to slow down pressure differentials as they sweep through.

Dull? Well, for me it hasn't been. I've been having sex with a friend (he was my first and now that we're both single again...) recently and it's enjoyable because it's something I get to share with a friend... yeah, orgasms are great and all, but I can get those on my own. It's fun to see someone get that excited over something you are doing with them, and it's not only the act of intercourse. It's everything leading up to it and directly following- so starting with kissing and ending with snuggling. I mean, getting off is fun. But helping someone else have an orgasm then getting some quality cuddle-and-cut-up time with a friend is great.

Wow. There needs to be more women like you.

Clarification: There needs to be more straight women like you. That's not an offense to lesbians so much as it is a wish that I were one, what with most of the women I'm attracted to being gay.

Okay, an hour of distractions later!:

19. It was incredibly awkward, painful and regretted. I actually thought that perhaps I would never have sex again, since it was so unenjoyable (for a combination of reasons, not all his fault). I'm incredibly glad I didn't stick to that, because a year later I met my current bf and I found out what the big deal about sex was. :P

As for all the debate here about whether sex is "worth it", important, etc... For me, sex with the person I love more than anyone is an incredible experience, in the same way that sharing music/book passions with him or staying up all night talking and laughing with him is. We're both very intellectual people, and silly people, and sexual people. I don't see why you can't indulge many different pleasures, it doesn't take away from any of them.

And as to physical attractiveness/sexual compatibility, it is NOT the most important thing. Honestly, compatible sense of humor is most important to me--a guy I think is funny will be more attractive than a good-looking dull guy. But there are a lot of important features I look for in a partner, and physical compatibility is one. I am fortunate enough to have found someone who is incredibly smart, ethical, honest, hard-working, hilarious, fun, gorgeous and great in bed. Sometimes you just win at life.

YAY! There are more straight women like Reeka! YAY!

Ryadn mentioned "being in the moment" - I understand exactly what you mean by that, but it doesn't happen for me during sex - sex is more like waiting in a queue... You can't be getting on with anything else, but your mind still works.

I understand you completely. The sex I've enjoyed the most is when it's intense enough to shut that continually active part of my mind off, or at least drown it out. It can happen, but from my experiences, you have to be willing to allow it to happen -- to just...let go. It's one of the hardest things I've learned to do, and I can't do it every time. But when I do, I am transported by genuine euphoria instead of just getting the physical release of orgasm.

The bonus of my having an overactive mind is that it's connected to an overactive libido. Before I started having sex, I read, studied, and thought about it as much as I could without being genuinely obsessed. As a result, my first attempts at pleasing a woman were well-received, and for the most part, I seem to be getting better with age (hallelujah).

The one thing I'd tell anyone isn't a position or a technique, it's something simple -- listen. Listen with your whole body, and sometimes, she doesn't have to say a word. And that is the best, in my opinion.

Sex has many facets and appears in many colors, shapes, sizes, scents, what-have-you. Classifying all of it is a pointless exercise in unnecessary generalization. We're all snowflakes...sexy snowflakes...to at least someone, in some way.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 16:36
Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

I feel bad for you. I'm convinced that I'm better than everyone else, too, but I don't feel the need to repress myself as a consequence. ;)

:p

I consider myself better than others for one reason: I know I am an idiot.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 16:51
TL, DR -- so you don't have to.

Translation please.

Sorry you had such a crap ecperience.

Still, it's better than having all the girls see you as about as datable as a Chocolate rasin.

*Sigh from misery*
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 16:53
Yeah, but if everyone just stopped having sex because it was "dull" we'd be in trouble sooner or later.

I never asked for everyone else to dislike sex. I merely stated that I do not like it. If I do not procreate I doubt the world will notice.

Sex can't really be compared to many activities, to me at least, because helping someone get an orgasm isn't the same kind of enjoyable as, say, giving a present or helping someone with their math homework. Plus, it's also about being so close with someone you're comfortable being naked and doing something that's usually reserved for very special relationships with them. (That's just me, probably..)


I am comfortable nude about any individual. And no orgasm can compare with the feeling I get when I wipe my opponent of the board in The Napoleonic Wars. Society makes certain things taboo, hoping that will make them more enjoyable.

I know the last part was possibly meant as a joke, but it still creeps me the hell out and I generally am not a huge fan of most people.

Time is the ultimate hit-man; he never fails and he works for free.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 16:55
Okay, now the story. It was 1991:

I was a week away from turning 21, and I'd met Jennifer during a play (I'd come in with 10 days before the show ran and learned the co-lead for the bloke who'd gone down with mono). She was the stage manager and engaged to be married in six weeks to my co-star (the show was Edna St. Vincent Millay's Aria da Capo, if you're curious). I'd not really flirted any more than I normally do, and for most of the time I saw her, I was without glasses and virtually blind (I see shapes and colors outside of a foot away). It was the end of the academic year, so we all hung out over the summer, doing things like playing RPGs (the pencil-paper days, D&D and Champions).

Jennifer and I realized we had a strong attraction to one another, and I knew I couldn't act on it, what with them getting married in (now) about a month. So I wrote her a long letter explaining that I thought she was terrific, but that I was going to remove myself from that circle of friends because I didn't want to cause any problems. Three days later, she calls and wants to meet me at a bayside park. She tells me that she called off the wedding because she loved him, but was no longer attracted to him or that much "in love" with him (I just turned 21 and really had no clue as to what all that meant, really). I still thought it was a bad idea to hang around with her, but she insisted.

I should have known it wasn't going to be a good situation. I was working two jobs, and over the whole summer had only Independence Day and Labor Day off, so there was a time issue. But I didn't want to be seen as the guy who broke up a wedding, no matter how much she insisted that was not the case and I was blameless (my first lesson in the power of perception).

She was lovely (pale skin, dark brown hair, blue eyes), bright, sensuous and kind, but not all that patient. I must have been very dull for her once the novelty of "deflowering" a 21-year-old virgin wore off. We only did it four times, total, over the month or so we were "together". My then-unresolved anger issues and my immaturity, coupled with her leaving for California ended what little time we had together.

To this day, I don't know how either Jennifer or her ex-fiancee are doing, or whether or not the marriage being called off was a good thing. I just know that any anxiety dampens the potential for a true euphoric sexual connection, so I cherish them in those very rare times when they arrive.

TL, DR -- so you don't have to.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 16:58
I never asked for everyone else to dislike sex. I merely stated that I do not like it. If I do not procreate I doubt the world will notice.

[I'm sorry, but this is too good of a set-up line to pass up:]

I think the world will notice -- and I think it will thank you.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 17:04
Not necessarily crap, but certainly far from ideal. To this day, I can't seem to have any kind of relationship without...interesting...circumstances involved. And I mean "interesting" in the Chinese sense of the word.

TL, DR = "too long, didn't read"

Never mind.

One day you will find a person who fills your heart to overflowing and then fills your soul.

Nothing will be awkward then.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 17:09
Translation please.

Sorry you had such a crap ecperience.

Still, it's better than having all the girls see you as about as datable as a Chocolate rasin.

*Sigh from misery*

Not necessarily crap, but certainly far from ideal. To this day, I can't seem to have any kind of relationship without...interesting...circumstances involved. And I mean "interesting" in the Chinese sense of the word.

TL, DR = "too long, didn't read"
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 17:22
That's only an excuse for avoiding sex if you lack imagination. ;)

You dare impugn my creativity?



:(

*hugs The Parkus Empire*

SEXUAL ASSAULT!
Neo Bretonnia
27-02-2008, 17:29
My first time was after I'd been sent back in time to protect a young woman from a machine sent to kill her. It was a helluva night, but I didn't think to bring condoms and she wasn't on the pill. Who knew?

So anyway I better go there's a dog barking outside and we may have to split...
Neo Bretonnia
27-02-2008, 17:30
(actually I was 16... but the story is so much less interesting...)
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 17:31
You've never had it, but it's dull?

There are certain books I will not read to determine that they are dull. There are certain actions that follow the same rules.

There's a lot to be said for doing things that aren't purely intellectual. As someone who is far too much inside my own head, things that make me stop analyzing and just be in the present moment (sex, music) are wonderful.

Urgh. I take it you listen to music that lacks. When I listen to music, I think. Example: The Allegretto of Beethoven's 7th symphony. The music has a definitive dramatic/depressive area, intermingled with uplifting spots. I think of the music as a kaleidescope; when people are seeing life clearly, it is depressing, but they have moments where they fool themselves into believing life is wonderful. Therefor, I fondly refer to the depressing areas of the piece as "clarity" and to the uplifting ones as "delusion".

There is a lot more thinking I do with the song, but that is an example.
Cheese penguins
27-02-2008, 17:32
I was 15 she was 16, wasn't great. But ever since sex just gets better and better :)
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 17:46
Urgh. I take it you listen to music that lacks. When I listen to music, I think. Example: The Allegretto of Beethoven's 7th symphony. The music has a definitive dramatic/depressive area, intermingled with uplifting spots. I think of the music as a kaleidescope; when people are seeing life clearly, it is depressing, but they have moments where they fool themselves into believing life is wonderful. Therefor, I fondly refer to the depressing areas of the piece as "clarity" and to the uplifting ones as "delusion".

There is a lot more thinking I do with the song, but that is an example.

Beethoven would have disagreed.

First of all, the major-key trio sections of the 'Allegretto' were intended for only one reason, to provide contrast to the darker minor-key outer bits that you insist were Beethoven seeing the world "as it really is". And the 'Allegretto' itself is the third piece in a set of five dances that make up the symphony: the opening 'Poco sostenuto' being the first, a sort of pavane, followed by the 'Vivace' which could be a jig or similar; then the Allegretto, a slow march; the Scherzo; and the final Allegro which is, I think, a galop. To draw attention to itself at the emotional and physical heart of the work, the Allegretto is written in a minor key and slower tempo, as opposed to the major keys and faster tempi of the other movements.

Anyway, Beethoven himself always liked #8 better, and that's as life-affirming as anything else he wrote. :P

Now, I'm a music student, so this may be a little different for me; but when I listen to music, there are two layers in my mind at work. One of them is busy analysing it in now-comes-the-theme-upside-down-in-the-second-oboe fashion. The other is just absorbing everything and forgetting about the rest of the world. When I try to add a third layer by going and doing something else in the meantime, the 'analysis' layer is either forgotten, or I end up falling asleep.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 17:48
Parkus Empire:

*said like a tired out nanny with very annoying small child*

Ok, you can come off the High horse now, point made.
Khadgar
27-02-2008, 17:51
I was 14, he was 14 or 15. Hell if I remember, he was a year ahead of me in school, but that doesn't really narrow it down any. Bit awkward, but still quite fun.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 17:52
You've never had sex and you've already made assumptions about it. Sex is not an "unintellectual activity", it's natural. Human beings are animals (as I'm sure an intellectual like yourself would know), and most of us naturally feel the need to mate. It's what continues our very existence. Taking a step away from the scientific perspective, sex is also a beautiful thing, and can be enjoyed on a deep "intellectual" level.

How?

Perhaps the reason you never will have sex is because you're such a fool that you compare sex to Bush.

Alright, sorry. People generally enjoy sex, but hate Bush. However, I was comparing how exhausted the subjects were, not their merits.

I can understand literature, and I'm sexy.

I never said that the two contradict. You are stereotyping me as a Victorian-era twit and I do not appreciate it.

To bad for you, anyone as smart and sexy as me doesn't want to fuck anyone who compares sex to Bush.

I tired to bite down upon this remark, but it was rejected by my neurological-pallet because you over-spiced it with ego.

That's called an eating disorder.

Human beings do not need to eat nearly as much as they do to survive. I eat 0-1 meal a day, and I fence strenuously three days out of the week; I get by fine. I am indeed thin, but hardly on the disorder level.

1. I repeat my ED statement.
2. You haven't even had sex.
3. You can still enjoy those things - while continuing to live in your little pseudo-intellectual delusion - and enjoy sex as well.

Physical pleasures do not contradict intellectual ones. I simply do not enjoy the same physical pleasures you do, so you are attacking me as if I were a Nazi.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 17:52
Not die out.

The world is an inanimate object after all.

Any way, look at India, China, Britain, the Netherlands etc. All could benefit from a fall in Population.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 17:53
*runs over with horse*

http://www.historikorders.com/scotsgreysbugler1.jpg

I said a Nanny not Emily Davison.
Newer Burmecia
27-02-2008, 17:56
Girls tend to find me either 1)repulsive 2)strange or 3)both, so no, although I've never really looked properly. Not fussed, really.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 17:57
.
As for the whole overcrowding argument, why not encourage people to be sterilised? Cuts the world population and they can still have lots of sex!


That was an argument against me. I said I did not want sex, and for some reason people said that world would die-out without sex. I then mentioned that I doubt my lack of participation would cause great effect.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 17:59
Parkus Empire:

*said like a tired out nanny with very annoying small child*

Ok, you can come off the High horse now, point made.

*runs over with horse*

http://www.historikorders.com/scotsgreysbugler1.jpg
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 18:08
Beethoven would have disagreed.

That is not my problem.

First of all, the major-key trio sections of the 'Allegretto' were intended for only one reason, to provide contrast to the darker minor-key outer bits that you insist were Beethoven seeing the world "as it really is".

No, I said that was how I felt about the music.

And the 'Allegretto' itself is the third piece in a set of five dances that make up the symphony: the opening 'Poco sostenuto' being the first, a sort of pavane, followed by the 'Vivace' which could be a jig or similar; then the Allegretto, a slow march; the Scherzo; and the final Allegro which is, I think, a galop. To draw attention to itself at the emotional and physical heart of the work, the Allegretto is written in a minor key and slower tempo, as opposed to the major keys and faster tempi of the other movements.

I understand the purpose of an Allegretto. However, it appears to me that you post this paragraph merely to indulge your vanity. To show-off, perhaps just a wee bit?

Anyway, Beethoven himself always liked #8 better, and that's as life-affirming as anything else he wrote. :P

True, true. He also did not enjoy Quasi una fantasia all that much. It is still a fine piece.

]Now, I'm a music student, so this may be a little different for me; but when I listen to music, there are two layers in my mind at work. One of them is busy analysing it in now-comes-the-theme-upside-down-in-the-second-oboe fashion. The other is just absorbing everything and forgetting about the rest of the world. When I try to add a third layer by going and doing something else in the meantime, the 'analysis' layer is either forgotten, or I end up falling asleep.

Hm.
Jello Biafra
27-02-2008, 18:17
The girls in my year have compiled a list of boys to try before the end of the school year (yr11).Seems like an efficient way of going about things.

And a humorous one. I imagine I would be doing more of that than sex.Why not do it all?

Stimulation of nerves does not provide me with enjoyment. It feels nice for some, not for me.I suppose you could be asexual, but based upon the reasons you've given, I doubt it.
Ladamesansmerci
27-02-2008, 18:20
This thread brings back memories...

Men and women just don't feel sex the same...I mean physically. I'm curious as to whether any non-virgin girl here find sex dull, or useless? Also, why?
Not dull or useless. Dangerous and slightly annoying (see: pap tests) in some cases, but definitely not dull or useless.
now I'm curious... are there any Virgin Girls here who find sex dull, or useless? and how would you know? :p
:p

You win.
Vojvodina-Nihon
27-02-2008, 18:24
I understand the purpose of an Allegretto. However, it appears to me that you post this paragraph merely to indulge your vanity. To show-off, perhaps just a wee bit?
Congratulations, now you know what it looks like without having to hold up a mirror.


True, true. He also did not enjoy Quasi una fantasia all that much. It is still a fine piece.


Not from an analytic standpoint. *goes off into 30-page discussion of Form, Structure, and Meaning in Beethoven's Opus 27 Piano Sonatas, replete with diagrams, Schenkerian analysis and a picture of a bunny.* ;-)

Anyway, we're veering wildly off topic, so: You don't like sex. I don't like avocado. Meerkats are funny. How much further can this discussion go?
Ladamesansmerci
27-02-2008, 18:24
Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

I feel bad for you. I'm convinced that I'm better than everyone else, too, but I don't feel the need to repress myself as a consequence. ;)
Mmmmm...bestial urges. The best kind of urges. :D
when I was 22 with Mr Straughn's current wife....yeah I am the man! Honestly I was seduced...I feel for Straughn his wife is insatiable...must explain the twins...
:eek:

Story. now.
While you were with his wife...I was with him! :eek: :p
Lies. I was with Straughn. >.>
Ladamesansmerci
27-02-2008, 18:29
The above can be compared to many activities, far better than sex. As for "cuddling", I tend to hate people. I smile every day knowing you will die. :D *insane laughing*
*cuddles Parkus*
Soheran
27-02-2008, 18:31
I consider myself better than others for one reason: I know I am an idiot.

If you're an idiot, how could you know with any certainty that others are not truly smart?

Maybe they really are intelligent, but your limited capacity just doesn't let you see it.

:)
Ladamesansmerci
27-02-2008, 18:44
Anyway, we're veering wildly off topic, so: You don't like sex. I don't like avocado. Meerkats are funny. How much further can this discussion go?
Welcome to NSG, where the sex talks never end!
Nanatsu no Tsuki
27-02-2008, 18:50
:p

I consider myself better than others for one reason: I know I am an idiot.

LMFAO!! This one's precious. And I'll sigg it.:D
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 19:56
*cuddles Parkus*

*See response to Soheran.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 19:59
If you're an idiot, how could you know with any certainty that others are not truly smart?

Judging from their own definition, they are not intelligent.

Maybe they really are intelligent, but your limited capacity just doesn't let you see it.

:)

:p















No.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 20:01
LMFAO!! This one's precious. And I'll sigg it.:D

I have been "sigged" for the first time. Celebrations are in order!

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/resourcesc/coron.jpg
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 20:07
Congratulations, now you know what it looks like without having to hold up a mirror.

"It?"


Anyway, we're veering wildly off topic, so: You don't like sex. I don't like avocado. Meerkats are funny. How much further can this discussion go?

*looks at join-date* You poor fellow.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 20:10
If all goes well with what I'm up to at the moment, I may be able to finally speak from first hand experience!

Note: Odds of all going well, about the same as there being a Devil worshipping Pope.
Tmutarakhan
27-02-2008, 20:24
Answering that literally, depressingly so long ago [the 1980s] that most of you (except possibly Bewilder, reading the last couple of posts) weren't even born yet.
Now you're making me REALLY depressed, if you think the 1980's was depressingly long ago: mine was 1972.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 20:52
If all goes well with what I'm up to at the moment, I may be able to finally speak from first hand experience!

Note: Odds of all going well, about the same as there being a Devil worshipping Pope.

Politically incorrect joke: The Devil is supposed to be egotistical.
Geolana
27-02-2008, 21:00
or that Mountain Dew makes your balls shrink

IT DOES?!?! Thank God I gave up caffinated drinks ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geolana
Hasn't happened yet.

Though, admittingly, it would be easier if I didn't keep my high standard of moral center when I'm drunk (meaning not taking advantage of drunk girls, not religious abstinence stuff).

You definitely need to do away with that!


Unfortunately, its only enhanced by the fact of friends nearby warning me not to do anything.
I'm really just waiting for that time where I drink way too much and don't remember what happens, so my moral center doesn't hold me back. The downside to this, of course, is I won't remember. Maybe I'll make a tape... ;)

But, I don't think this will be much of an issue much longer. I'm fairly athletic, have a decently toned swimmers body, am at a tech school, am a very enjoyable drunk, and am pursuing a certain girl from a 2 hour make out session at a party last week (the same party that, coincidentally, got me suspended from my last swim meet). It might have happened that night if her friends weren't right there... and my buddy didn't escort me back to my room for being too drunk. Thats life, though.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 21:03
IT DOES?!?! Thank God I gave up caffinated drinks ;)

Caffeine > testicles.
The Parkus Empire
27-02-2008, 21:06
I think there was such a pope in the middle ages, now I think of it.

People like to whine about Borgia.

http://www.weltchronik.de/bio/cethegus/a/alexander4.jpg

In actuality, he was a fine Pope.
Dukeburyshire
27-02-2008, 21:11
Politically incorrect joke: The Devil is supposed to be egotistical.

I think there was such a pope in the middle ages, now I think of it.
Intangelon
27-02-2008, 21:53
Never mind.

One day you will find a person who fills your heart to overflowing and then fills your soul.

Nothing will be awkward then.

That would be lovely.

Not from an analytic standpoint. *goes off into 30-page discussion of Form, Structure, and Meaning in Beethoven's Opus 27 Piano Sonatas, replete with diagrams, Schenkerian analysis and a picture of a bunny.* ;-)

*BLAM! The door to V-N's flat is broken in by the THEORY POLICE*

PUT DOWN THE SCHENKER AND STEP AWAY FROM THE BUNNY!

Sorry -- I loathed Schenker, and figured that his name sounded a bit like "wanker" for a reason.
Amor Pulchritudo
27-02-2008, 22:58
How?

It's sensual. It's sensitive. It's a display of raw emotion. You can connect with the person on a level you've never connected before.



Alright, sorry. People generally enjoy sex, but hate Bush. However, I was comparing how exhausted the subjects were, not their merits.

It wasn't a particularly good comparison, especially since sex isn't an issue that we need to get over. It's not as though sex's term is up in a few months.



I never said that the two contradict. You are stereotyping me as a Victorian-era twit and I do not appreciate it.

I didn't imply that you said the two contradict, persay; I was just making a statement. And I'm not "stereotyping" you, especially since I've never come across someone with your, uhh, unique "beliefs". You're the only one who can convey your image, and unfortunately you've made yourself appear like a "twit" all on your own.

I tired to bite down upon this remark, but it was rejected by my neurological-pallet because you over-spiced it with ego.

Your neurological pallet? Bahahaha.

Human beings do not need to eat nearly as much as they do to survive. I eat 0-1 meal a day, and I fence strenuously three days out of the week; I get by fine. I am indeed thin, but hardly on the disorder level.

Actaully, if you are eating 0-1 meal a day, you are probably consuming less than 1000 calories a day, which is classified a "starvation" diet. If you are fencing to "work off" any food you have consumed, this is technically purging. The fact that you don't believe that eating 0-1 meal per day is "disordered" means you're in denial. You do, in fact, have an eating disorder, and - depending on your Body Mass Index - it's either Anorexia Nervosa or ED-NOS (Eating Disorder Not Otherwise Specified).

Physical pleasures do not contradict intellectual ones. I simply do not enjoy the same physical pleasures you do, so you are attacking me as if I were a Nazi.

You've never had the chance to enjoy such a pleasure.

And I am certainly not attacking you as though you were a Nazi.

To be honest, if you were a Nazi, I'd be spending a lot more time constructing an argument. You, however, are just ignorant, so I'm only sparing a few minutes here and there.
Amor Pulchritudo
27-02-2008, 23:10
Oh, how sophisticated of you!

Leave the unwashed masses to their bestial urges! The Parkus Empire rises above such primitive needs.

I feel bad for you. I'm convinced that I'm better than everyone else, too, but I don't feel the need to repress myself as a consequence. ;)

:fluffle:

*hugs The Parkus Empire*

Takes back fluffle.

SEXUAL ASSAULT!

Well, sexual assault would be a valid explanation for your dislike of sex and your eating disorder.

There are certain books I will not read to determine that they are dull. There are certain actions that follow the same rules.



Urgh. I take it you listen to music that lacks. When I listen to music, I think. Example: The Allegretto of Beethoven's 7th symphony. The music has a definitive dramatic/depressive area, intermingled with uplifting spots. I think of the music as a kaleidescope; when people are seeing life clearly, it is depressing, but they have moments where they fool themselves into believing life is wonderful. Therefor, I fondly refer to the depressing areas of the piece as "clarity" and to the uplifting ones as "delusion".

There is a lot more thinking I do with the song, but that is an example.

To be cliche: Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Aaaaand, you really shouldn't assume you're the only music nerd on here.

Beethoven would have disagreed.

First of all, the major-key trio sections of the 'Allegretto' were intended for only one reason, to provide contrast to the darker minor-key outer bits that you insist were Beethoven seeing the world "as it really is". And the 'Allegretto' itself is the third piece in a set of five dances that make up the symphony: the opening 'Poco sostenuto' being the first, a sort of pavane, followed by the 'Vivace' which could be a jig or similar; then the Allegretto, a slow march; the Scherzo; and the final Allegro which is, I think, a galop. To draw attention to itself at the emotional and physical heart of the work, the Allegretto is written in a minor key and slower tempo, as opposed to the major keys and faster tempi of the other movements.

Anyway, Beethoven himself always liked #8 better, and that's as life-affirming as anything else he wrote. :P

Now, I'm a music student, so this may be a little different for me; but when I listen to music, there are two layers in my mind at work. One of them is busy analysing it in now-comes-the-theme-upside-down-in-the-second-oboe fashion. The other is just absorbing everything and forgetting about the rest of the world. When I try to add a third layer by going and doing something else in the meantime, the 'analysis' layer is either forgotten, or I end up falling asleep.

:fluffle:

Congratulations, now you know what it looks like without having to hold up a mirror.


Unfortunately, he doesn't understand what you meant.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 23:12
Takes back fluffle.

I'm a bleeding heart. I can't help it.
Soheran
27-02-2008, 23:23
Judging from their own definition, they are not intelligent.

What is "their own definition" and how not?
Evycon
27-02-2008, 23:35
:fluffle:

Well, sexual assault would be a valid explanation for your dislike of sex and your eating disorder.



Well not everyone who dislikes sex has to be sexually assaulted in the past, I also dislike sex and wasn't assaulted at any time. To me sex is simply... weird <.< i mean this whole thing with orifices... eeeek... >.<

but i couldn't live with 0-1 meals a day.
Amor Pulchritudo
28-02-2008, 01:20
Well not everyone who dislikes sex has to be sexually assaulted in the past, I also dislike sex and wasn't assaulted at any time. To me sex is simply... weird <.< i mean this whole thing with orifices... eeeek... >.<

but i couldn't live with 0-1 meals a day.

Of course not. I was partially being sarcastic and partially discussing a valid explanation for his distain for sex and his eating disorder. It's basic psychology.
Knights of Liberty
28-02-2008, 01:35
Im still baffled over how anyone who has had sex could dislike it, unless your partner was really really bad.
Guibou
28-02-2008, 01:59
Well, you know, there ARE some people who just don't feel very much when having sex...Maybe it does reduce the amount of emotions involved (and if there is not much emotional or physical pleasure...what is there?).

If indeed you are a virgin, Parkus Empire, then...well, what could we say to change your mind? I don't see why everyone is attacking him...mustn't we respect his disdain of sex? I hardly see how you could like if you're repulsed by it in the first place...?
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:16
What is "their own definition" and how not?

Their own definition can be found in your friendly neighborhood dictionary. It typically includes notions such as rationality and the ability to apply experience.

Observing humans, I find that they only think about things if they have time on their hands. Notice people (including yourself) speaking: They generally do not think for more than a fraction of a second before their mouth has formed words. This often leads to grammatical imperfection and idiotic statements.

As an experiment, I tried speaking without contractions: It is quite difficult. I can type that way, but I often edit my typing before posting. Anytime I spoke with a contraction, I knew that I did not think before my lips had opened.

The above shows that humans are ruled more by advanced impulses than thought.

As for the ability to apply experience, I would say that humans possess it to a limited extend, but nowhere near what their ego would have you believe.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:19
Well, sexual assault would be a valid explanation for your dislike of sex and your eating disorder.

...I do not think--no.

To be cliche: Don't judge a book by it's cover.

What about the title and the writing on the back?

Aaaaand, you really shouldn't assume you're the only music nerd on here.

I know.

]Unfortunately, he doesn't understand what you meant.

Over my head.
Soheran
28-02-2008, 02:21
Observing humans, I find that they only think about things if they have time on their hands.

And this precludes intelligence how?

We only do things when we have time to do them. That's the fact of scarcity. Nothing to do with intelligence.

Notice people (including yourself) speaking: They generally do not think for more than a fraction of a second before their mouth has formed words. This often leads to grammatical imperfection and idiotic statements.

So? We just don't bother to waste the necessary effort to carefully consider every word we say. The cost isn't worth the benefit. That's perfectly rational.

The above shows that humans are ruled more by advanced impulses than thought.

No, it doesn't. And that still has nothing to do with intelligence. Very intelligent people can nevertheless be ruled by impulses. Intelligence is a matter of understanding, not a matter of will.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:24
Well, you know, there ARE some people who just don't feel very much when having sex...Maybe it does reduce the amount of emotions involved (and if there is not much emotional or physical pleasure...what is there?).

I do not think that it reduces one's emotions. Besides, without emotions how could we makes decisions? There would be no "good" or "bad".

If indeed you are a virgin, Parkus Empire, then...well, what could we say to change your mind?

I have been convinced in things by The Cat Tribes before.

I don't see why everyone is attacking him...mustn't we respect his disdain of sex?

No. I do not deserves respect, my opinions do not deserve respect and my tastes certainly do not deserve respect. But I do not appreciate being attacked.

I hardly see how you could like if you're repulsed by it in the first place...?

Acquired taste? Aside: I am not "repulsed" by it, it simply does not appeal to me.
Guibou
28-02-2008, 02:27
Acquired taste? Aside: I am not "repulsed" by it, it simply does not appeal to me.

So you are not appealed nor repulsed by it, yet you pretend to know how advantageous it may be to you? (A question to all virgins)
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:32
And this precludes intelligence how?

Someone truly intelligent would think more about their actions.

We only do things when we have time to do them. That's the fact of scarcity. Nothing to do with intelligence.


Thinking can be done anytime and should especially be done when physical actions are being being performed in order to facilitate their effect.


So? We just don't bother to waste the necessary effort to carefully consider every word we say. The cost isn't worth the benefit. That's perfectly rational.

It is perfectly impulsive. According to you, rational posts would look like this:

i dont knw what ur talkin about

No, it doesn't. And that still has nothing to do with intelligence. Very intelligent people can nevertheless be ruled by impulses. Intelligence is a matter of understanding, not a matter of will.

Smart is as smart does.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:34
So you are not appealed nor repulsed by it, yet you pretend to know how benefic it may be to you? (A question to all virgins)

Pardon? Have you tried death lately?
Soheran
28-02-2008, 02:35
Someone truly intelligent would think more about their actions.

Plenty of us think about our actions. But we recognize that to micromanage everything is a waste of effort.

Thinking can be done anytime

Nonsense. Sometimes we must concentrate on tasks at hand. Sometimes our minds are tired. We who actually spend most of our time thinking realize these things. ;)

It is perfectly impulsive. According to you, rational posts would look like this:

i dont knw what ur talkin about

Depends entirely on the subject, doesn't it?

If the thread is about the Superbowl....

Smart is as smart does.

Nonsense. Smart is as smart thinks, when it has the opportunity.
Guibou
28-02-2008, 02:39
Pardon? Have you tried death lately?

I haven't tried death, which is why I can't say what it would feel like, or how much I would like/dislike it, once it is done.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:40
Plenty of us think about our actions. But we recognize that to micromanage everything is a waste of effort.

The effort of thought is not a waste.

Nonsense. Sometimes we must concentrate on tasks at hand. Sometimes our minds are tired. We who actually spend most of our time thinking realize these things. ;)


People who are talking are not concentrating.

Depends entirely on the subject, doesn't it?

If the thread is about the Superbowl....


:p

Nonsense. Smart is as smart thinks, when it has the opportunity.

When does it not have the opportunity?
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 02:46
When conversing with you...
:p ;)

Am I too fast for you, sport?
Dyakovo
28-02-2008, 02:51
When does it not have the opportunity?

When conversing with you...
:p ;)
Soheran
28-02-2008, 02:52
The effort of thought is not a waste.

Thought, in total, is definitely better than non-thought. But, in a specific circumstance, does one extra unit of thought provide enough benefit to outweigh the cost? Not necessarily. You have to think on the margin.

People who are talking are not concentrating.

Actually, quite often they are.

I generally think carefully about what I say. But sometimes I'm thinking about something other than the conversation. And sometimes, especially in arguments, I'm not so much thinking about what I'm saying as about the subject I'm talking about.

When does it not have the opportunity?

Thought requires energy. It requires focus. It requires time. When you're busy with other things that drain your energy, focus, and time--school and work, for two rather prominent examples--serious, rigorous, thorough thought is often difficult.
Soheran
28-02-2008, 02:52
Am I too fast for you, sport?

Did you intend for that to be in a timewarped post?
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:08
I'm incredibly glad I didn't stick to that, because a year later I met my current bf and I found out what the big deal about sex was. :P

Yay!
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:12
You're the only one who I've noticed that did it younger than I did.
:(

Geek doesn't equal pure.Amen to that. *nods emphatically*

Geeks are hot. I lost my virginity to one....and now you're doomed to a fan club.
Well, if you weren't already, this helps. :p

Perhaps the reason you never will have sex is because you're such a fool that you compare sex to Bush.



I can understand literature, and I'm sexy.

To bad for you, anyone as smart and sexy as me doesn't want to fuck anyeone who compares sex to Bush.
:D
Again, ever further reason for a fan club/cult. You rock. *bows*
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:14
YAY! There are more straight women like Reeka! YAY!


Hallelujah to that. They both rock!
Ryadn
28-02-2008, 06:15
YAY! There are more straight women like Reeka! YAY!

At least half straight. ;) I am flattered by the company though!
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:20
:eek:

Story. now. He needs sock puppets. And, she says, "he never hit the 'Mark'". :p


Lies. I was with Straughn. >.>
Damned right! Zilam spent far, far too much time in the bathroom to be of any use on the day/night in question.
The PeoplesFreedom
28-02-2008, 06:20
15. Haven't had it yet. Although these damn hormones are literally screaming at me to screw somebody.
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:22
It was hilarious, because we were scrambling to find our clothes, but it's literally impossible to find your underwear after sex, I swear.Check the fridge first. :)
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:22
Being in a relationship with someone who shares exactly the same opinions and values as you is not necessarily a good thing.Erm, hate sex? :p
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:24
Whoever said Paris Hilton's sexually appealing?

Jimmy Fallon sure hinted at it.
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:31
when I was 22 with Mr Straughn's current wife....yeah I am the man! Honestly I was seduced...I feel for Straughn his wife is insatiable...must explain the twins...
She says, "you missed the 'Mark'" :p
And she says you'd better get used to pizza with a side of noodles.
She also says that stain of yours NEVER came out of the bike seat.
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:32
While you were with his wife...I was with him! :eek: :p

Was that the camping trip or or one of our Amway presentations?
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:34
ahh they were on a break. She was selling cookies!
Straughn is pretty easy.Whereas you're always hard :rolleyes:
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:40
Im still baffled over how anyone who has had sex could dislike it, unless your partner was really really bad.
Well, sometimes it's not your partner. Some people don't like to be reminded how much of a miserable failure they are at communicating, as it were, as well as understanding, knowledge, dexterity, experience, performance and grace, for which pretty much all are needed in some measure there.
Straughn
28-02-2008, 06:42
15. Haven't had it yet. Although these damn hormones are literally screaming at me to screw somebody.
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The PeoplesFreedom
28-02-2008, 06:51
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EDIT: oh lul. I misread that. Yeah, that does go against my Christian beliefs significantly. And to top it off it seems that my bible verse email talks about just that! Mere Chance? I think no.
Ryadn
28-02-2008, 07:10
To be cliche: Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Aaaaand, you really shouldn't assume you're the only music nerd on here.

Well, clearly he's the only one that matters because his musical "pallet" :p is intrinsically more refined than any other. Music made by anyone who is still alive is only for intellectual slugs who can't appreciate opera. *nod*
Boonytopia
28-02-2008, 09:43
When I was 16.
No-Bugs Ho-Bot
28-02-2008, 12:12
I was 19, my partner 16.

While the age difference sounds wrong in the usual terms, we were both involuntary occupants of a mental hospital at the time. Sort of leveled the playing-field a bit.
Ifreann
28-02-2008, 12:34
32nd of Never.
Jello Biafra
28-02-2008, 12:38
EDIT: oh lul. I misread that. Yeah, that does go against my Christian beliefs significantly. And to top it off it seems that my bible verse email talks about just that! Mere Chance? I think no.It's a sign that you should have sex as soon as possible.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:15
It's a sign that you should have sex as soon as possible.

Check your tongue you toplofty old rumpot! I do not have a religion. While I believe Jesus Christ was an historical personage, I am no where near Christian.

Now that we have that cleared-up, I would appreciate it if you refrained from faux-quoting me in the future.
Jello Biafra
28-02-2008, 16:16
Check your tongue you toplofty old rumpot! I do not have a religion. While I believe Jesus Christ was an historical personage, I am no where near Christian.

Now that we have that cleared-up, I would appreciate it if you refrained from faux-quoting me in the future.You're the same person as ThePeoplesFreedom?
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:16
Did you intend for that to be in a timewarped post?

No.
Vojvodina-Nihon
28-02-2008, 16:27
*BLAM! The door to V-N's flat is broken in by the THEORY POLICE*

PUT DOWN THE SCHENKER AND STEP AWAY FROM THE BUNNY!

Sorry -- I loathed Schenker, and figured that his name sounded a bit like "wanker" for a reason.
I couldn't stand 'im either. Now I only use the words "Schenkerian analysis" for the purpose of instilling a vague and unsettling feeling of dread in my listeners.


Unfortunately, he doesn't understand what you meant.

All the Tolstoi and Beethoven in the world can't tie you into the hivemind, I guess. Social skills are a valid part of intelligence (shocked me too, although not as much as finding out that I actually have them).

Well, clearly he's the only one that matters because his musical "pallet" :p is intrinsically more refined than any other. Music made by anyone who is still alive is only for intellectual slugs who can't appreciate opera. *nod*

Exactly! Well, it's perfectly all right to listen to music by current artists, of course, as long as you don't actually enjoy it -- either for the purpose of commenting on the poor taste of this generation and how immoral and vulgar the music is, or for the purpose of performing a full harmonic and structural analysis and deducing the intrinsic meaning of the song. But you can't listen to it for pleasure; only hedonists do that.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:35
You're the same person as ThePeoplesFreedom?

No.
Jello Biafra
28-02-2008, 16:36
No.:confused: So why did you say I quoted you?
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:43
Thought, in total, is definitely better than non-thought. But, in a specific circumstance, does one extra unit of thought provide enough benefit to outweigh the cost? Not necessarily. You have to think on the margin.

...Cost?

Actually, quite often they are.

:p

I generally think carefully about what I say. But sometimes I'm thinking about something other than the conversation. And sometimes, especially in arguments, I'm not so much thinking about what I'm saying as about the subject I'm talking about.

Your effect would be superior if you played what you were about to utter thrice in your nole.


Thought requires energy.

Does it?

It requires focus.

Precisely; if you are thinking about your actions you are focusing upon them.

It requires time.

Why?


When you're busy with other things that drain your energy, focus, and time--school and work, for two rather prominent examples--serious, rigorous, thorough thought is often difficult.

If you are not thinking while you are testing your results are bound to be lower than if you were. As for general labor, thought determines more efficient methods of accomplishing it.
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:44
:confused: So why did you say I quoted you?

My mistake.
Jello Biafra
28-02-2008, 16:45
My mistake.Fair enough.

You toplofty old rumpot! ;)
Dundee-Fienn
28-02-2008, 16:46
Your effect would be superior if you played what you were about to utter thrice in your nole.

Are you really Baby Kangaroo Tribiani? :p
The Parkus Empire
28-02-2008, 16:51
Fair enough.

You toplofty old rumpot! ;)

Verbose dandiprat! :)