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From "NineMSN":

Teenager admits fiery attack on boy
Monday Feb 25 15:44 AEDT
A 14-year-old Sydney boy has pleaded guilty to splashing his nine-year-old neighbour with petrol and setting him alight.

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, on Monday admitted setting the younger boy ablaze in the driveway of a Daceyville home, in Sydney's east, in December 2006.

The pair were using petrol to light cherries in a plastic container when the older boy kicked the fire over, causing it to spread.

In an earlier hearing, police claimed he splashed fuel on the nine-year-old's back and chased him with a lighter, shouting: "I'm going to light you on fire ... I'm going to kill you".

The child suffered third-degree burns to 20 per cent of his body as a result.

The teenager on Monday pleaded guilty to one count of malicious wounding before Downing Centre District Court Judge Peter Berman.

He will be sentenced on a date to be fixed.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=293782

I can't really work out whether it was on purpose or not. It's so shocking and sad. The poor kid must be in so much pain.

Needs more investigations to determine whether it was an accident or murder attempt.

Heh, back when I was teenager and my kid brothers reeeaaally bugged me, I might have dreamt of something like that, but it takes a crazy mind to actually follow through.

Did he stay to watch the kid burn? Because a human on fire is NOT a nice sight.

Also it doesn't say if he tried to put the flames out. If he did, then it probably was an accident.

That's horrible :'( both boys will probably be traumatized for life :(

Did he stay to watch the kid burn? Because a human on fire is NOT a nice sight.

Here's a question I'll probably regret asking - how the heck do you know?

Clips of just such a thing have been on news programs, web sites, etc. I've seen videos of people on fire a couple of times over the years, usually preceded with a warning, without having to troll some of the more hideous places of the Internet.

It isn't a pretty sight at all.

WTF. That's all that can be said about this incident.

Once again we see the downfall of disciplined kids whats the bet that he will get off this lightly.

I feel sorry and pity for the kid who was burnt I have had a small section of my wrist burnt (only burnt a few layers of skin but still had to be rushed to hospital) and that was painful enough, I can only begin to imagine the amount of pain this kid is in.

In an earlier hearing, police claimed he splashed fuel on the nine-year-old's back and chased him with a lighter, shouting: "I'm going to light you on fire ... I'm going to kill you".

sounds like boys being boys

thankfully it seems I was much more lucky in my childhood :)

Here's a question I'll probably regret asking - how the heck do you know?

so you never seen the photo of a Buddhist monk who set himself on fire taken in October 5th, 1963 Saigon during the war

When my friend was 11 a teenager set him on fire with a Molotov cocktail. He's burnt from the ankles to the thighs. Recovery sounds like the most horrible thing imaginable.

May the poor boy's morphine flow freely and his burns not require too much scrubbing.

@ Kilobugya: I conversely: my father used to discipline me with physical force and occasionally flew into violent rages. Now that I know how ugly it looks, I generally try to avoid following his example, whether in public or in private. I follow the theory more that those who have developed more violent or aggressive personalities, whether through domestic "discipline" or not, are inclined to be more violent.

What kind of a f***ed up world are we living in when kids who aren't even passed 10 are committing these horrible acts?!

Erm, the one who "committed" the act was 15, not 9. The 9-years old was the poor victim.

Hell, my little bro is now 12 (I'm 21) and when he was growing up, sure my parents never touched him, but if he stepped outta line with me, I'd smack him in proportion to the crime - now, he's the nicest kid you'll ever meet

Smacking children usually just teach them that violence and abusing from being stronger is sometimes fine. All studies show that people who are violent are more often those who were themselves victims of violence. And I know many people (including me, my brothers and my sister) who never received any kind of violence (from family at least) and to whom doing such acts wouldn't even cross our mind - be it at 9, at 15 or at 30.

What kind of a f***ed up world are we living in when kids who aren't even passed 10 are committing these horrible acts?!

What does the age of wrongdoers have to do with the fucked-upedness of the world? Seriously, like the world would somehow be less fucked up if it was 95 year olds lighting each other on fire?

What does the age of wrongdoers have to do with the fucked-upedness of the world? Seriously, like the world would somehow be less fucked up if it was 95 year olds lighting each other on fire?

Actually, you are 100% correct - allow me to retract my statement.

Erm, the one who "committed" the act was 15, not 9. The 9-years old was the poor victim.



Smacking children usually just teach them that violence and abusing from being stronger is sometimes fine. All studies show that people who are violent are more often those who were themselves victims of violence. And I know many people (including me, my brothers and my sister) who never received any kind of violence (from family at least) and to whom doing such acts wouldn't even cross our mind - be it at 9, at 15 or at 30.

As I said to the poster after you, you have good points and I now see I was wrong. I apologise and I shall retract my statement.

However, I was not just referring to this case in regards to the age comment - I read a load of crap about these young kids in the metro paper every day and it's scary how young they are.

Worse than the sight of someone burning is the damn smell. That smell can give you nightmares for weeks, if you didn't emptied your stomach ipso facto.

Even worse are the sulphuric acid burns. Both of the worse odors available to humankind united in one.

Not a nice way to go.
Luckily for me i've never been burned badly, although i did some daft things when i was a toddler with fire.

My most vivid memory of fire, is putting a small metal thing in the fire (Not sure what but about the size of a small coin), i looked at it and it stopped glowing red and went white, so i fished it out with the fire tongs, and picked it up, much to my surprise it was incredibly hot. Now i know if it's been in a fire it's going to be hot. i was only about 8 at the time didn't know much about metals and fire.

Poor kids.

Not as bad as that awful Bulger case.

Still, this is what happens when Children aren't taught to respect fire. I blame Central Heating.

And the fall of the Empire of Course. (Joke):D

Did he stay to watch the kid burn? Because a human on fire is NOT a nice sight. and the smell...

Also it doesn't say if he tried to put the flames out. If he did, then it probably was an accident.
I hope he did...

when will people learn that FIRE is not a toy. :(

My most vivid memory of fire, is putting a small metal thing in the fire (Not sure what but about the size of a small coin), i looked at it and it stopped glowing red and went white, so i fished it out with the fire tongs, and picked it up, much to my surprise it was incredibly hot. Now i know if it's been in a fire it's going to be hot. i was only about 8 at the time didn't know much about metals and fire.

When I was in my early teens I was doing some very amateurish coding with a mate one time, and my little brother heated a paperclip up with my lighter and dropped it on my knuckles whilst my brain was elsewhere XD Still got the scar.

Kids are always going to love fire, and they're always going to brutalise each other unfortunately. I guess the only reason we hear about this tragic stuff now is the internet and other changes in global communication. It's not such a small world anymore; we hear the top few most extraordinary things from all over the world instead of the trivial events in our locale.

Saying that if it wasn't an accident a fourteen year-old should have a little more compassion I'd hope. The "us and them" attitude encouraged by many facets of our society has a lot to answer for. And what was he doing with petrol anyway?

when will people learn that FIRE is not a toy. :(

Shortly after they learn guns aren't safe around small children.

Not a nice way to go.
Luckily for me i've never been burned badly, although i did some daft things when i was a toddler with fire.

My most vivid memory of fire, is putting a small metal thing in the fire (Not sure what but about the size of a small coin), i looked at it and it stopped glowing red and went white, so i fished it out with the fire tongs, and picked it up, much to my surprise it was incredibly hot. Now i know if it's been in a fire it's going to be hot. i was only about 8 at the time didn't know much about metals and fire.

Poor kids.

Your parents didn't teach you about fire by 8?! Those are some irresponsible parents!

Shortly after they learn guns aren't safe around small children.
But not before they learn that not everyone should have a gun.

when will people learn that FIRE is not a toy. :(

fire is an obsession for us ground monkeys sadly we don't share the animal kingdoms fears

hence why you can go into a trance just watching its glory :)

They need Smokey the bear to do a TV special on how you shouldn't light people on fire, because that's almost as bad as forest fires.

Your parents didn't teach you about fire by 8?! Those are some irresponsible parents!

Oh they did, i just didn't hear the bit about white-hot-heat. I did loads of silly things when i was young, in fact more so than most other kids, but that's another story.

Click Stand;13481185']They need Smokey the bear to do a TV special on how you shouldn't light people on fire, because that's almost as bad as forest fires.

Seconded.

Smokey the bear kicks ass.

That's horrible :'( both boys will probably be traumatized for life :(

I seriously doubt that BOTH boys will be traumatized. The one who was burned certainly will be, but the other one sounds completely amoral, and likely doesn't give a shit that he did this. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that he found this funny. things like this are why I have absolutely no faith in my fellow man.

If it was on purpose, the son of a bitch ought to be hanged.

I seriously doubt that BOTH boys will be traumatized. The one who was burned certainly will be, but the other one sounds completely amoral, and likely doesn't give a shit that he did this. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that he found this funny. things like this are why I have absolutely no faith in my fellow man.

i'm a dark and evil bastard, cus when i read it, here were my first thoughts:
LOL
damn thats gotta hurt
................................................ (after reading the entire page)
that kid should be given the chair

Is it setting fire to cherries a popular pastime in Australia? Or is this part of a wider pattern of fruit based arson?

Once again we see the downfall of disciplined kids.:confused:What does THAT have to do with this?I seriously doubt that BOTH boys will be traumatized. The one who was burned certainly will be, but the other one sounds completely amoral, and likely doesn't give a shit that he did this.Really? You can tell all of this from that one article? Hell, I am still trying to figure out if it was an accident or not.

Either way the kid is incredibly stupid. They obviously knew that the gasoline would burn, and that it would cause harm to the younger kid, so I'd say that a charge of attempted-murder (in children's court) would be justified.

What sort of parent doen't love their child enough to teach them how to be safe? How could they leave their child open to risks from ignorance?

From "NineMSN":



http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=293782

I can't really work out whether it was on purpose or not. It's so shocking and sad. The poor kid must be in so much pain.

That definitely sucks, and must say I feel sorry for both kids. :(

I think this thread has come back from its grave...

I think this thread has come back from its grave...

Yes, I am a zombie lord :p






Seriously though, it wasn't dead, it just took a nap for a couple of days :D

If it was on purpose, the son of a bitch ought to be hanged.

No, he should be branded a witch and burned at the stake. Fire good. Fire cleanse. Fire make for good irony.

Yes, I am a zombie lord :p

Seriously though, it wasn't dead, it just took a nap for a couple of days :D

just like lazarus, before jesus woke him up :p

just like lazarus, before jesus woke him up :p

lol

That kid ( the older one ) needs a good beating


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

:rolleyes:

Every kid is different. My older brother used to be the most annoyingm rude, and violent prick I knew. My mom was always trying to punish him with timeouts, lack of access to television, internet, etc. and other types of new age punishment. He still did his crap. Then when he was 17 he snuck out, got drunk, came back, and puked in the bathroom. My dad came in while he was doing it.

I was woken up by the sound of my brother screaming. My dad knocked the shit out of him. Broken jaw, nose, black eye, lost teeth.

Fast forward eight years. He has graduated college, has a wife, has two kids, and is freakin' model citizen. Seeing him before he got his ass kicked and afterwards was like seeing two different people. He needed to have his ass kicked.

And that, among other things, is what the punk in the article needs. He needs a grade-A asskicking that will leave him bloodied. He needs to know what physical pain feels like, needs to know what it is to know the one who crushed you. This little boy is fucked up for life, most likely: The teenager needs to be taught a serious lesson, and if what I know about juvie is true(My friend used to be there) there is almost no chance this could would benefit from such an experience. He needs his ass kicked, he needs to be bloodied, and he needs to weep.

Every kid is different. My older brother used to be the most annoyingm rude, and violent prick I knew. My mom was always trying to punish him with timeouts, lack of access to television, internet, etc. and other types of new age punishment. He still did his crap. Then when he was 17 he snuck out, got drunk, came back, and puked in the bathroom. My dad came in while he was doing it.

I was woken up by the sound of my brother screaming. My dad knocked the shit out of him. Broken jaw, nose, black eye, lost teeth.

Fast forward eight years. He has graduated college, has a wife, has two kids, and is freakin' model citizen. Seeing him before he got his ass kicked and afterwards was like seeing two different people. He needed to have his ass kicked.

And that, among other things, is what the punk in the article needs. He needs a grade-A asskicking that will leave him bloodied. He needs to know what physical pain feels like, needs to know what it is to know the one who crushed you. This little boy is fucked up for life, most likely: The teenager needs to be taught a serious lesson, and if what I know about juvie is true(My friend used to be there) there is almost no chance this could would benefit from such an experience. He needs his ass kicked, he needs to be bloodied, and he needs to weep.


Whilst I'm not sure about commiting GBH on my children, I do think that Punishments should be severe.

Here's some ideas:

1. Lock them in the cellar/attic all day. Feed & water them, but they'll still be really scared.

2. Tell them you're sick of them. Drive them out right into an unfamiliar part of the Countryside. Then Stop the car, order them out and drive off. Come back about 5-10 minuites later. They'll be really sorry.

3. Eye for an eye. Or in this case, burns for burns.

4. Send them off to some relatives in a distant country. E.g. from the USA to Australia or from England to South Africa. When they return, they'll be worn down and ready to obey through pure isolation from their criminal kin.

Whilst I'm not sure about commiting GBH on my children, I do think that Punishments should be severe.

Here's some ideas:

1. Lock them in the cellar/attic all day. Feed & water them, but they'll still be really scared.

2. Tell them you're sick of them. Drive them out right into an unfamiliar part of the Countryside. Then Stop the car, order them out and drive off. Come back about 5-10 minuites later. They'll be really sorry.

3. Eye for an eye. Or in this case, burns for burns.

4. Send them off to some relatives in a distant country. E.g. from the USA to Australia or from England to South Africa. When they return, they'll be worn down and ready to obey through pure isolation from their criminal kin.

I hope you never become a parent.

Whilst I'm not sure about commiting GBH on my children, I do think that Punishments should be severe.

Here's some ideas:

1. Lock them in the cellar/attic all day. Feed & water them, but they'll still be really scared.

2. Tell them you're sick of them. Drive them out right into an unfamiliar part of the Countryside. Then Stop the car, order them out and drive off. Come back about 5-10 minuites later. They'll be really sorry.

3. Eye for an eye. Or in this case, burns for burns.

4. Send them off to some relatives in a distant country. E.g. from the USA to Australia or from England to South Africa. When they return, they'll be worn down and ready to obey through pure isolation from their criminal kin.

You have scary concepts of punishment. The locking in a cellar all day is a bit extreme and inhumane.
That might have worked well in medieval times, but not now, as those punishments could cause much psychological damage to a growing kid, sure they need to know they did something wrong but they don't need to be traumatised.
That is if you're being serious about this.

You have scary concepts of punishment. The locking in a cellar all day is a bit extreme and inhumane.
That might have worked well in medieval times, but not now, as those punishments could cause much psychological damage to a growing kid, sure they need to know they did something wrong but they don't need to be traumatised.
That is if you're being serious about this.


A cellar filled with books and electric light. It's not Colditz.
And they're fed. It's a "time out" without natural light. And lots of bangs on the ceiling.

I'm partly serious. I wouldn't do it for a whole day, unless they'd done something really bad like arson or killing sheep or streaking through the Village etc.

A cellar filled with books and electric light. It's not Colditz.
And they're fed. It's a "time out" without natural light. And lots of bangs on the ceiling.

I'm partly serious. I wouldn't do it for a whole day, unless they'd done something really bad like arson or killing sheep or streaking through the Village etc.

I reiterate, I hope you never become a parent.

I reiterate, I hope you never become a parent.

Anyway, I would bring up my children so that they shouldn't need punishing.

After all, good children are unpunished children.

From "NineMSN":



http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=293782

I can't really work out whether it was on purpose or not. It's so shocking and sad. The poor kid must be in so much pain.

When I read this, I, for some wicked reason, started laughing. I just imagined the kid as a 9 year old Torch of Life, at the Olympics. Does this makes me a bad person?:confused:

When I read this, I, for some wicked reason, started laughing. I just imagined the kid as a 9 year old Torch of Life, at the Olympics. Does this makes me a bad person?:confused:

No, just twisted.

No, just twisted.

Thanks.:D

Thanks.:D

You're welcome :D

Your an idoit. I sorry,but if you honestly believe that work. Your mad and should never become a parent. I a 14 year old boy. Mature for my age. And I know a girl who I love deeply and loves me back. Her mother is VERY strict. She does what you are suggesting you do to yuor kids,all the time. The result?

The children is screwed up in the head. Doesn't trust anyone. Has voilent angry that hard to control,doesn't trust anyone,likes to drink herself numb to get away from her problems, has unsafe sex, watches porn,and no self respect for herself(lets guys hoot over her and do what they want with her), acts fake as hell and trys various types of minor drugs. Sure she get high marks in school becaus eof how she pushed by her mom. But that is out of moral fear of her own mom. She crys when she scores less then a 80 on a test.

She doesn't trust her mom, would never turn to her for help and hates her. You should be able to mange your kids without using force or fear. It called respect. Try it. It works wonders.

Also another example. My mom who was pyhiscally hit and punch by her parents as a pushiment. Is now a angry women who lives alone with 2 kids,doesn't trust other people,goes into rages where she abuses her kids with physical and vebral abuse, and is always depress and probably has a mental disorder. I would never trust my mom with my problems or go with her for help.

My sister because of all of this. Is kinda like the girl I just talked about. It not uncommon to see her with the radio on blast,screaming and crying on the floor,using angry and violence to express her emotions. Living a fake life fill with a need for material goods and not caring about actually living life.

My best friend has a father who a drunk half the time and uses vebral abuse and physical abuse on his children. My friend nows have no self esteem,can barely talk to people and all he does is study(he gets 90+ on his report card) but he too scare to act as himself and enjoy life. I detect violence within him. He keeps it all inside. That not a good thing.

Abuse in any form. Is NOT a good thing. It leads to supress emotions which the victem will take out on people weaker then themselfs. It a never ending circle. ALWAYS treat people with respect and care. Alway use talking and others methods before you use force. Build up a relationship with your kids. Teach them to trust and respect you. Monkey see,monkey do right? You say one thing and do the other and your kids will notice.

Thing about that please. Violence is such a ugly thing. Please don'tadd mroe suffering to the world. Their enough in it already.

-fighter4u

Your an idoit. I sorry,but if you honestly believe that work. Your mad and should never become a parent. I a 14 year old boy. Mature for my age. And I know a girl who I love deeply and loves me back. Her mother is VERY strict. She does what you are suggesting you do to yuor kids,all the time. The result?

The children is screwed up in the head. Doesn't trust anyone. Has voilent angry that hard to control,doesn't trust anyone,likes to drink herself numb to get away from her problems, has unsafe sex, watches porn,and no self respect for herself(lets guys hoot over her and do what they want with her), acts fake as hell and trys various types of minor drugs. Sure she get high marks in school becaus eof how she pushed by her mom. But that is out of moral fear of her own mom. She crys when she scores less then a 80 on a test.

She doesn't trust her mom, would never turn to her for help and hates her. You should be able to mange your kids without using force or fear. It called respect. Try it. It works wonders.

Also another example. My mom who was pyhiscally hit and punch by her parents as a pushiment. Is now a angry women who lives alone with 2 kids,doesn't trust other people,goes into rages where she abuses her kids with physical and vebral abuse, and is always depress and probably has a mental disorder. I would never trust my mom with my problems or go to her for help.

My sister because of all of this. Is kinda like the girl I just talked about. It not uncommon to see her with the radio on blast,screaming and crying on the floor,using angry and violence to express her emotions. Living a fake life fill with a need for material goods and not caring about actually living life.

My best friend has a father who a drunk half the time and uses vebral abuse and physical abuse on his children. My friend nows have no self esteem,can barely talk to people and all he does is study(he gets 90+ on his report card) but he too scare to act as himself and enjoy life. I detect violence within him. He keeps it all inside. That not a good thing.

Abuse in any form. Is NOT a good thing. It leads to supress emotions which the victem will take out on people weaker then themselfs. It a never ending circle. ALWAYS treat people with respect and care. Alway use talking and others methods before you use force. Build up a relationship with your kids. Teach them to trust and respect you. Monkey see,monkey do right? You say one thing and do the other and your kids will notice.

Thing about that please. Violence is such a ugly thing. Please don't add more suffering to the world. Their enough in it already.

-fighter4u

relax, once you get more posts under your belt your posting will become unlimited.

O.Ok. Thanks for the tip. I had this account forever. But I never really bother to post much. Let see if that will change. :)

WTF will it not let me post??!!??:upyours: thread!:mad:

relax, once you get more posts under your belt your posting will become unlimited.

Your an idoit. I sorry,but if you honestly believe that work. Your mad and should never become a parent. I a 14 year old boy. Mature for my age. And I know a girl who I love deeply and loves me back. Her mother is VERY strict. She does what you are suggesting you do to yuor kids,all the time. The result?

The children is screwed up in the head. Doesn't trust anyone. Has voilent angry that hard to control,doesn't trust anyone,likes to drink herself numb to get away from her problems, has unsafe sex, watches porn,and no self respect for herself(lets guys hoot over her and do what they want with her), acts fake as hell and trys various types of minor drugs. Sure she get high marks in school becaus eof how she pushed by her mom. But that is out of moral fear of her own mom. She crys when she scores less then a 80 on a test.

She doesn't trust her mom, would never turn to her for help and hates her. You should be able to mange your kids without using force or fear. It called respect. Try it. It works wonders.

Also another example. My mom who was pyhiscally hit and punch by her parents as a pushiment. Is now a angry women who lives alone with 2 kids,doesn't trust other people,goes into rages where she abuses her kids with physical and vebral abuse, and is always depress and probably has a mental disorder. I would never trust my mom with my problems or go to her for help.

My sister because of all of this. Is kinda like the girl I just talked about. It not uncommon to see her with the radio on blast,screaming and crying on the floor,using angry and violence to express her emotions. Living a fake life fill with a need for material goods and not caring about actually living life.

My best friend has a father who a drunk half the time and uses vebral abuse and physical abuse on his children. My friend nows have no self esteem,can barely talk to people and all he does is study(he gets 90+ on his report card) but he too scare to act as himself and enjoy life. I detect violence within him. He keeps it all inside. That not a good thing.

Abuse in any form. Is NOT a good thing. It leads to supress emotions which the victem will take out on people weaker then themselfs. It a never ending circle. ALWAYS treat people with respect and care. Alway use talking and others methods before you use force. Build up a relationship with your kids. Teach them to trust and respect you. Monkey see,monkey do right? You say one thing and do the other and your kids will notice.

Thing about that please. Violence is such a ugly thing. Please don't add more suffering to the world. Their enough in it already.

-fighter4u

Much anger has he, Jedi cannot be.

I'm surprised no one has commented on Dukeburyshire saying he would set his children on fire...

Much anger has he, Jedi cannot be.

lol
http://bloggers.ja.bz/katou/archives/yoda.jpg

I'm surprised no one has commented on Dukeburyshire saying he would set his children on fire...

That would be (one of the reasons) why I said I hope he never has children.