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I'm bored so let's have an alternate history thread...

It's the middle of World War 1, the year is 1917. Vladimir Lenin is on his way back to Russia when his train...uh...i dunno...slips off the tracks...and he is...mauled to death by a bear...the point is Lenin is dead and the Bolsheviks don't come to power in Russia. So what happens?

What form of government comes to power in Russia?
Return of the Tsar?
Fascism?
A Democratic Republic?
Do the Mensheviks come to power?
What happens to to other historical figures such as Trotsky and Stalin?
Does Russia continue to participate in the First World War?
How Does WW1 End?
Does WW2 occur differently or at all?
What happens to the spread of Communism globally and the Cold War?
Do China Cuba and other nations still undergo a Communist Revolution?
Does the US still feel it needs to fight Communism?
Does the US become a major power in the world to fight the Communists?

in ukraine, makhnovshchina ftw!

Trotsky throws a pie at Tsar Nicholas II, causing him to spontaneously combust, the Germans take over Russia and then the entire world.

What?

wow...I thought this thread would have gotten more responses...and at least one serious response...

I'm bored so let's have an alternate history thread...

It's the middle of World War 1, the year is 1917. Vladimir Lenin is on his way back to Russia when his train...uh...i dunno...slips off the tracks...and he is...mauled to death by a bear...the point is Lenin is dead and the Bolsheviks don't come to power in Russia. So what happens?
That's impossible. It's a logical fallacy. Lenin's train cannot, by definition, derail or anything of the sort. Nor can he be mauled to death by a bear or any other animal or killed in any way en route to the October Revolution. Nice try though.

I'm bored so let's have an alternate history thread...

It's the middle of World War 1, the year is 1917. Vladimir Lenin is on his way back to Russia when his train...uh...i dunno...slips off the tracks...and he is...mauled to death by a bear...the point is Lenin is dead and the Bolsheviks don't come to power in Russia. So what happens?

What form of government comes to power in Russia?
Return of the Tsar?
Fascism?
A Democratic Republic?
Do the Mensheviks come to power?
What happens to to other historical figures such as Trotsky and Stalin?
Does Russia continue to participate in the First World War?
How Does WW1 End?
Does WW2 occur differently or at all?
What happens to the spread of Communism globally and the Cold War?
Do China Cuba and other nations still undergo a Communist Revolution?
Does the US still feel it needs to fight Communism?
Does the US become a major power in the world to fight the Communists?

A good little question. IMHO, Trotsky basically replaces Lenin, and the broad strokes of history remain more or less the same.

That's impossible. It's a logical fallacy. Lenin's train cannot, by definition, derail or anything of the sort. Nor can he be mauled to death by a bear or any other animal or killed in any way en route to the October Revolution. Nice try though.He could catch a disease, get shot by secret police, get mauled by a Ruffy, get shot by some drunken nobles, get beat to death by some drunk peasents, get beat to death by some drunk merchants, get shot to death by any of the above, and he could have died from drinking to much.

That's impossible. It's a logical fallacy. Lenin's train cannot, by definition, derail or anything of the sort. Nor can he be mauled to death by a bear or any other animal or killed in any way en route to the October Revolution. Nice try though.

fine he "dies" before the October revolution...you can pick his form of death...I just liked the "mauled to death by a bear" part...

fine he "dies" before the October revolution...you can pick his form of death...I just liked the "mauled to death by a bear" part...

or killed in any way en route to the October Revolution.
^

That's impossible. It's a logical fallacy.
No it's not. It's an imaginary scenario. Not everything illogical is fallacious.

No it's not. It's an imaginary scenario. Not everything illogical is fallacious.

then again its actually the November revolution (or the my exact birthday revolution to be specific) so I guess Lenin dying on the way would be a bit hard :cool:

^

Did someone fail to understand what alternate-history means?

wow...I thought this thread would have gotten more responses...and at least one serious response...

Firstly, it's counter-factual history, and secondly, it's nothing more than a gimmick to entertain amateur historians. Logically unsustainable, and of little practcal use.

Firstly, it's counter-factual history, and secondly, it's nothing more than a gimmick to entertain amateur historians. Logically unsustainable, and of little practcal use.

Must be a full moon somewhere - all the alt. history ignorati seem to be out...

Firstly, it's counter-factual history, and secondly, it's nothing more than a gimmick to entertain amateur historians. Logically unsustainable, and of little practcal use.

You were hoping for serious historical debate?

You were hoping for stuff of practical use?

In this of all forums?

*walks off laughing and shaking his head.*

I think they would have found his evil twin, the capitalist Lenin instead, who would promote Capitalism in Russia, while the US would go against this and start Communism in protest, just to be different.
Hitler would try to represent his people, then be assassinated by a timetraveler. Who would replace Hitler then make a deal with the allies (just before World War Two) and stop the anti-semitism against Catholics and white people in general (as Hitler in this world would discriminate not against Jews but against Catholics and White people)
Then Sean Bean would travel back in time and kick charlie chaplin onto some desolate desert Island, and create colour television.
Then an invasion by the flood from Halo would attack Brazil, then be destroyed by the extreme heat guns (not flamers). Only for Brazil to instal a new world order with an alliance with the US Communist party.
The world would teater on the brink of Nuclear war with the Sweden Missle crisis, and the Mexico Wall would come down in 1989.
...hmmm i'll have to think about that. Maybe it should be the great wall between the North and South US.

Evil twin of Lenin? If "good" Lenin brought us USSR, what "evil" one would have brought?! :eek::eek::eek:

BTW, I guess they would have found him in a dungeon, with an iron mask covering his face.Satan?

I think they would have found his evil twin, the capitalist Lenin

Evil twin of Lenin? If "good" Lenin brought us USSR, what "evil" one would have brought?! :eek::eek::eek:

BTW, I guess they would have found him in a dungeon, with an iron mask covering his face.

I'm bored so let's have an alternate history thread...

It's the middle of World War 1, the year is 1917. Vladimir Lenin is on his way back to Russia when his train...uh...i dunno...slips off the tracks...and he is...mauled to death by a bear...the point is Lenin is dead and the Bolsheviks don't come to power in Russia. So what happens?

What form of government comes to power in Russia?
Return of the Tsar?
Fascism?
A Democratic Republic?
Do the Mensheviks come to power?
What happens to to other historical figures such as Trotsky and Stalin?
Does Russia continue to participate in the First World War?
How Does WW1 End?
Does WW2 occur differently or at all?
What happens to the spread of Communism globally and the Cold War?
Do China Cuba and other nations still undergo a Communist Revolution?
Does the US still feel it needs to fight Communism?
Does the US become a major power in the world to fight the Communists?

Meh. I declare a return to a Czarist Russia. Neither the Mencheviks nor the Bolcheviks come to power. Trotsky goes to Mexico (which he did), but falls madly in love with Frida Khalo and doesn´t come back to Russia, and Stalin, well, Stalin becomes a famous author and civil rights activist (I gotta lay off the soda!!). Because the Czar comes back to power, he retires Russia from WWI and, because of this, Hitler, who´s studying art and who cares nothing for criticism and politics (yay, no Nazi Germany!), becomes a famous painter thus preventing his rise to power and subsequent intent of repeating what Rome did in Antiquity. That means no WWII and no Holocaust. Communism is halted, to some extent, but it does ultimately spread to both Cuba and China. And the US, feeling like the Police of the World, still feel the need to fight Communism, that can´t be helped. But they become a major power just to get oil. Gods, am I making any sense?:confused:

I was wondering just know. What is it with you all and Russia, Communism and the like? Aren´t there any other form of governments you´d like to discuss?:confused:

Firstly, it's counter-factual history, and secondly, it's nothing more than a gimmick to entertain amateur historians. Logically unsustainable, and of little practcal use.
One wonders why Chris is on this forum and yet somehow still whining about the lack of logic and practicality.

One wonders why Chris is on this forum and yet somehow still whining about the lack of logic and practicality.

Don't waste too much time on it, It's just like Fass bitching about popularity contest.

I think it's because the OP has alot of references to the Soviet Russia.
Why what other types of government would you like to discuss?

I see. As for which other governments I´d like to discuss, I´m all for understanding Argentina´s current government. Anyone, care to pitch in?;) Of course, let that be discussed in another thread.:)

I was wondering just know. What is it with you all and Russia, Communism and the like? Aren´t there any other form of governments you´d like to discuss?:confused:

I think it's because the OP has alot of references to the Soviet Russia.
Why what other types of government would you like to discuss?

Paternalist authoritarianism under Kerenski, followed by some sort of fascism.