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Bush and Co. admit to loss of intelligence

Sel Appa
23-02-2008, 06:03
I never knew they had any in the first place...

Link (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8643.html)

The Bush administration informed Congress on Friday that the government has “lost intelligence” because of the expiration of surveillance legislation caught in a political tug of war.

“We have lost intelligence information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty created by Congress’ failure to act,” says an underlined passage of a six-page letter signed by Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey and Director of National Intelligence J. Michael McConnell.

The letter does not give details. A copy of the letter is here.

The assertion is an effort by President Bush to ratchet up pressure on the House and Senate to pass a new version of the Protect America Act, which gave the government enhanced powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to eavesdrop on suspected terrorists.

The enhancements, which make it easier for the government to monitor communications of suspected terrorists without obtaining a warrant, were passed in August and expired last weekend.

Democratic congressional leaders, who are negotiating the provisions of a new version, have charged the administration with using “scare tactics.”

Democrats also contend that administration officials dragged their feet in making available records that lawmakers needed to work on the legislation.

Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a letter to Bush on Feb. 14 that he takes “strong offense to your suggestion in recent days that the country will be vulnerable to terrorist attack unless Congress immediately enacts legislation giving you broader powers to conduct warrantless surveillance of Americans’ communications and provides legal immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program.”

Current intelligence activities are not affected by the expiration for a year. But the government contends that new intelligence targets cannot be certified for surveillance, creating potential gaps in intelligence.

“Because of this uncertainty, some partners have reduced cooperation,” the administration letter says. “We are working to mitigate these problems. ... This uncertainty may well continue to cause us to miss information that we otherwise would be collecting.”

A Democratic congressional aide said staff of the Senate and House Judiciary and Intelligence committees met this week and plan to work intensely with the administration on a solution.

“This is important legislation, and it is critical to get it right,” the aide said.

One possibility is hearings about the scope of the enhancements. Administration officials contend that would just provide a platform to air their account of measures they have taken to protect the country.

The legislation is the subject of the president’s radio address on Saturday.

White House officials have been working hard to keep the issue on the public radar screen, including making calls to radio talk shows to argue that the administration’s preferred provisions would stop attacks and save lives.

Democrats also have been working to get their message out. Reyes, the House intelligence chairman, told NPR on Thursday: “President Bush has just been spoiled dealing with the Republican-controlled Congress before. I take strong offense at the president's comments that somehow we're less safe because the Protect America Act expired.”
Cassadores
23-02-2008, 06:10
I never knew they had any in the first place...

:rolleyes:

Link (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8643.html)

Oh Democrats, don't they realize that, all substance aside, letting a bill entitled the "Protect America" act will not do much to help their image with the American populace (as if their approval ratings could go much lower)? Ah me. I would prefer not to see the kind of intelligence keeping us alive slip away because someone, somewhere, decided that this was just a silly game instead of a responsibility. :(
Sumamba Buwhan
23-02-2008, 06:22
the people aren't generally as stupid as Bush and Co. treats them. We know that the reason Bush is being an idiot is because he is whining about having to go thru the FISA court and he doesnt want any oversight over his activities.

theres nothing t o getting a warrant retroactively even from FISA - they rarely turn down a request
Andaras
23-02-2008, 06:36
Seriously, what's the deal with naming legislation in really nice words, for example naming the one exempting American soliders from international law as 'Protecting Veterans', and the one exempting politicians is something like 'Protecting America'. I mean seriously, I think if you made a bill which said that all Muslims had to be put to death it would be called 'Upholding Christian Values'.:rolleyes:
SimNewtonia
23-02-2008, 08:01
Seriously, what's the deal with naming legislation in really nice words, for example naming the one exempting American soliders from international law as 'Protecting Veterans', and the one exempting politicians is something like 'Protecting America'. I mean seriously, I think if you made a bill which said that all Muslims had to be put to death it would be called 'Upholding Christian Values'.:rolleyes:

Isn't it obvious? So that they can decry opposers of the contents of the act with simply "Why do you hate our freedoms?"

That and to keep the sheeple baaing.
Rakysh
23-02-2008, 08:11
Seriously, what's the deal with naming legislation in really nice words, for example naming the one exempting American soliders from international law as 'Protecting Veterans', and the one exempting politicians is something like 'Protecting America'. I mean seriously, I think if you made a bill which said that all Muslims had to be put to death it would be called 'Upholding Christian Values'.:rolleyes:

Heh, maybe its so they can sleep at night.:(
West Pacific
23-02-2008, 08:33
Bush fucked up hardcore when he decided he didn't need to go to FISA to perform illegals wiretaps and arrests, now he's having to suffer the penalties for those actions. Seriously though, 72 hours to get a warrant from FISA after the fact when the court is half a step away from being a rubber stamp on this issue? Is Bush trying to give the key to the White House to the Democratic Party? Congress' approval ratings are in the 20's, just let them do there thing and the GOP will win the White House in November and possibly Congress, continue to stick your foot in your mouth and we have an all Democratic government for the first time in... 16 years? I'm usually in favor of a Democratic Congress and Republican President and I think Barrack or Clinton are going to need some help to beat McCain, but Bush is almost making it too easy for them.
Lunatic Goofballs
23-02-2008, 08:41
So that means they can't spy on new people without warrants? Awwww.... poor government. :(

Now how are they gonna get their share of juicy gossip?


Also, does this mean I can take a short break from answering the phone, "Fuck Bush"? My mom hates it. :p
Andaras
23-02-2008, 09:02
I want Bush to spy on the interwebs, just to see how many 'I hate Bush' hits they get;)
Gauthier
23-02-2008, 09:32
I want Bush to spy on the interwebs, just to see how many 'I hate Bush' hits they get;)

Quite a few gay porn sites would be shut down for declaring that they hate bush.
Boonytopia
23-02-2008, 10:16
Quite a few gay porn sites would be shut down for declaring that they hate bush.

:D
Dyakovo
01-03-2008, 05:53
Quite a few gay porn sites would be shut down for declaring that they hate bush.

lmao
Motofox
01-03-2008, 06:34
I've always wondered if Bush really has something truly wrong upstairs. Not joking around, but a real, treatable medical condition. Maybe our pres should consider zoloft or something. IDK, but I almost want to say no one can be this stu.....wait, no, I know some people.