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Stop laughing I'm being serious.

Ok I'll wait 'till you're done laughing...

Ok ready? Here's why:

Yes, the series as it ran was weak. The stories were meh at best and the T&A angle was obvious.

On the other hand, there was lots of backstory to support some pretty good storytelling once Voyager returned to Earth:

Season 8: Voyager returns to the Starbase and the Maquis crew are immediately taken into custody. The return of Voyager to the Alpha Quadrant is kept secret for political reasons. Janeway becomes the driving force behind a movement within Starfleet to grand pardons or drop charges against the Maquis crew of Voyager in recognition of their service during the last 7 years.

Season 9: Voyager crew have been interned in the starbase and have not been permitted contact with their family and friends. Eventually some of the crew, led by Lt.Paris, are able to sneak communications out to their family to let them know they're okay. Season finale:Cardassian agents find out the Maquis are back and threaten Starfleet with war of the "terrorists" aren't turned over to the Cardassians for trial.

Season 10: Cardassian/Federation relations break down as Starfleet at last grants pardons to the Maquis crew of Voyager and places them under Federation protection. A second war seems iminent...

Sure, you could do all that in one season, maybe two... but with some creative storytelling and decent subplots (heretofore missing, I know) you could make it work nicely.

Might make good novelizations...

If I get more Seven Of Nine on my TV I won't complain.

Thankfully they spared us.

I think the HMS Reset Button did enough damage during it's run.

After 7 years, who was left for Janeway to nag? Nematodes?

Voyager was the beginning of the end of the Star Trek franchise. After that, we had Insurrection, Nemesis and...ugh...Enterprise...

All we have left is the hope that the new movie will be a total reboot and will revitalize the series like Batman Begins and Casino Royale did for their respective series.

Well, they could have allowed Ronald D. Moore to take Voyager to the places he wanted it to go, when he was originally hired as Executive Producer, but then we wouldn't have the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.

And that would be a shame.

All along the watchtoweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!

I would of liked to have seen a civil war what with the whole Deep Space 9 showing the bad side of star fleet and Janeway sticking to principles

mostly because I never liked the federation

If I get more Seven Of Nine on my TV I won't complain.

don't lie we all secretly wanted to be dominated by a strict captain

I can't really see the Federation being overly willing to violate major ethical principles to avoid offending Cardassian sensibilities. Voyager's return wasn't all THAT long after the Dominion War, so wasn't the Cardassian Empire basically prostrate militarily and recovering from a revolution? It seems implausible. Even in Next Gen and early DS9 they weren't too eager to avoid stepping on toes.

I do like Voyager, but I think that seven seasons of it were quite enough. ;-)

I don't care what people say about Voyager, Living Witness, Distant Origin, Year of Hell, Projections, and Equinox were fucking awsome.

Still, 7 seasons was enough for me.

If I get more Seven Of Nine on my TV I won't complain.Watch Shark. Open hair and no gadgets in her face.

could be good novels or feature length episodes, but as for whole series... the best thing about VOY to me was not being in the Alpha quadrant and things being somewhat unexpected with regard to the races/cultures they contact. put the show on a starbase for two seasons and it could end up like a DS9 without any point. i'm talking here about the in-between episodes, as you couldn't really fill a whole season with those plots, imo.


frankly i'd just love to see any Trek again that didn't go fucking back in time to before TOS, FFS :headbang:


edit: Personally, I think Voyager would have been better structured more like Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Individual episodes in an overarching plot, with a main villain every series. They could've used the Kazon, the Krenim, the Hirogen, the Borg. Would've been way more interesting. It got so boring when it was; oh no, enemy! Uh-oh, we're in trouble! Oh wait, convenient solution! Hurrah!

i think it was like that, but they didn't necessarily stick the big bad-guy at the season finale.

but i'm a VOY nut, so i would think of it like that.

Personally, I think Voyager would have been better structured more like Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Individual episodes in an overarching plot, with a main villain every series. They could've used the Kazon, the Krenim, the Hirogen, the Borg. Would've been way more interesting. It got so boring when it was; oh no, enemy! Uh-oh, we're in trouble! Oh wait, convenient solution! Hurrah!

Watch Shark. Open hair and no gadgets in her face.
I'd love to put my gadget in her face....




Sorry. :(

Well, they could have allowed Ronald D. Moore to take Voyager to the places he wanted it to go, when he was originally hired as Executive Producer, but then we wouldn't have the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.

And that would be a shame.

All along the watchtoweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!
I'm a hardcore fan of the new Battlestar Galactica, but I have to say, that 'All Along the Watchtower' thing better have a damn good pay-off. It was the first time in the series where I started to go, 'Really?'

I just hope I remember what channel Sci Fi is by the time it comes back. There's nothing on there right now for me to watch and I might forget. I don't like Stargate (sorry guys, just don't. Not everything is for everybody), and there's no Dr. Who right now. I watched Flash Gordon out of loyalty to the character but I was being real generous...it didn't even have the decency to be bad, it was just bland.

I'm a hardcore fan of the new Battlestar Galactica, but I have to say, that 'All Along the Watchtower' thing better have a damn good pay-off. It was the first time in the series where I started to go, 'Really?'
Not any of the highly improbable legal, political or military scenarios? :p

I don't like Stargate (sorry guys, just don't. Not everything is for everybody...
You're not alone.

Well, they could have allowed Ronald D. Moore to take Voyager to the places he wanted it to go, when he was originally hired as Executive Producer, but then we wouldn't have the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.

And that would be a shame.

All along the watchtoweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!

A-freaking-men

The series did have good episodes that stuck to the classical themes of morality and ethics, like "Living Witness" or "Equinox", or just plain kicked ass like "Year of Hell"...

But God was the rest of the series awful...

Enterprise had a few gems as well, but a turd with a diamond in it is still a piece of shit.

I don't care what people say about Voyager, Living Witness, Distant Origin, Year of Hell, Projections, and Equinox were fucking awsome.

Still, 7 seasons was enough for me.

The series did have good episodes that stuck to the classical themes of morality and ethics, like "Living Witness" or "Equinox", or just plain kicked ass like "Year of Hell"...

But God was the rest of the series awful...

These 'seasons' sound like a fan project I was reading a while back.

Voyager had a great initial concept, and there were, along the way, many great episodes.

Unfortunately even with those episodes, the concept was on the whole very poorly executed, and I don't think three more seasons would have been worthwhile, really.

Voyager had a great initial concept, and there were, along the way, many great episodes.

Unfortunately even with those episodes, the concept was on the whole very poorly executed, and I don't think three more seasons would have been worthwhile, really.

What I had in mind was a total makeover for the series.

One of the things I expected to see in Voyager and didn't was the deteriorating condition of the ship. I think I read in some Star Trek flavor text somewhere that Federation Starships are on a maintanence schedule that puts them in a starbase at least once every six months. When Voyager was gonna do YEARS without touching at a starbase I was looking forward to seeing how the writers portrayed the deterioration of the ship's condition.

They sort of did that in the Year of Hell but apart from that and a few Borg add-ons, the ship just chugged along perfectly. (Replicators make it too easy, methinks) I mean, at least show me some hull wear and tear.

The new Battlestar Galactica does this well. After a couple years out the Galactica looks like HELL. (Of course, jumping into an atmosphere and being in a severe firefight will do that...)

A gradually deteriorating ship can make for some awesome plot devices.

Indeed.

Neo, I honestly suggest you go visit http://www.hiddenfrontier.com It's a place that had a fan series called Hidden Frontier that now has two follow up series..es...one of which is more or less a redone Voyager concept that actually executes it very well indeed.

It's a fan series, so the acting and props can sometimes be tacky, but from Hidden Frontier's fourth season and on with everything else, it's absolutely superb. (And there's some great stuff in the earlier seasons too.)

Janeway infuriated me with her constant nagging and arrogance and definately not as cool as the other captains.

Ensign Kim was a whiny little bitch

Neelix got on my nerves

Tuvok - Black Vulcans? wtf? lol

B'Elanna was a crappy character as well, she was bitchy and the whole Klingon thing could've been played up more like how Worf was.

Janeway's strict adherance to the Prime Directive was impractical and/or unrealistic in some situations (eg. the episode where they got stuck in some anamoly and made some alliance against the most powerful raider then magically they found some way out despite everybody else being stuck there for several years)

BUT

Seven of Nine was hot, and her borg ways were sexy haha.

I feel like such a nerd posting this...

Janeway infuriated me with her constant nagging and arrogance and definately not as cool as the other captains.

Ensign Kim was a whiny little bitch

Neelix got on my nerves

Tuvok - Black Vulcans? wtf? lol

B'Elanna was a crappy character as well, she was bitchy and the whole Klingon thing could've been played up more like how Worf was.

Janeway's strict adherance to the Prime Directive was impractical and/or unrealistic in some situations (eg. the episode where they got stuck in some anamoly and made some alliance against the most powerful raider then magically they found some way out despite everybody else being stuck there for several years)

BUT

Seven of Nine was hot, and her borg ways were sexy haha.

I feel like such a nerd posting this...

You forgot the Doctor (who?). The Doctor was both given the best roles and given the most talent.