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Someone needs to explain this girl the difference between a vagina and a clown car. I nominate LG, he has plenty of experience with both.

I'll be the first to admit that condoms really suck, but they are a necessary evil. Maybe they just don't have the pill where she lives.

Pamela Anderson?

Triplets born to teenager - again

A 16-year-old Argentine girl has given birth to female triplets - for the second time.

The girl, named only as Pamela, had her first set of female triplets aged 15, having first given birth to a son when she was just 14.

All seven children were born prematurely but without any kind of fertility treatment.

While doctors say the three newborns and their mother are well, the case has sparked debate across Argentina.

In bars and cafes, as well as the letters pages of newspapers, there has been widespread criticism of Pamela's alleged promiscuity.

Seeking more

Pamela's family already receives help from the provincial authorities, which donated land and built them a house when the first set of triplets was born.

Pamela's mother, who cleans houses to support her daughter and rapidly increasing number of grandchildren, says they will now seek more assistance from the government for the new additions to the family.

Some Argentines are arguing that perhaps what Pamela needs is more advice on contraception.

The teenager, who will be 17 on Monday, comes from the remote town of Leones in the central Argentine province of Cordoba.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.

whoa the timewarp here is particularly severe.

Bak kin the middle ages, ALL (okay, almost all) european women were like that -- thank goodness they've (mostly) come to their senses.

Wow, and I thought some of my kin were promiscuous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.

I hate saying it, but she got a house and land for free, didn't she?
And she's got a dumb mother working her arse off to provide for the kids... makes you wonder where the father or possibly fathers are?

And no, getting pregnant the third time is NOT an accident. No way. She's been through two pregnancies already, most likely with consultations on contraception and safe sex.

Someone needs to explain this girl the difference between a vagina and a clown car. I nominate LG, he has plenty of experience with both.

:eek: Wow!

Need to send some spelunkers in there to explore. *nod*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.

Maybe an armed guard:

"Put the dick down, miss! Back away slowly and keep your crotch where I can see it!"

well to be fair shes happy, the government is happy with the little investments and no doubt so are the local men (that is if the rumors are true which is probably no)


True, certainly... I just have this particular dislike for people who have kids and expect someone else to raise them for them, you know?
I don't mind welfare, certainly not, and I don't mind helping families, either, but cases like this just ruffle my feathers when you get the impression that this girl is completely relying on her mom and donations to raise her family...

At least she is surrounded by pampas which should come in handy (I even groan at that myself).

I think real research needs to be done on this girl (which hopefully she will get some money for) she seems to have the biology for fertility and so may be key in helping everyone else who wants screaming bundles of joy

I hate saying it, but she got a house and land for free, didn't she?
And she's got a dumb mother working her arse off to provide for the kids... makes you wonder where the father or possibly fathers are?

well to be fair shes happy, the government is happy with the little investments and no doubt so are the local men (that is if the rumors are true which is probably no)

Maybe an armed guard:

"Put the dick down, miss! Back away slowly and keep your crotch where I can see it!"

maybe we could surround her with butch lesbians who know what their doing with a massive vagina :p

:eek: Wow!

Need to send some spelunkers in there to explore. *nod*
Hmmm, do we turn her upside down and send in spelunkers, or leave her standing up and send in mountain climbers?
At least she is surrounded by pampas which should come in handy (I even groan at that myself).

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as far as threadjacks go, this one has to be the best and wittiest thus far.

I'm going to try and sig this.

Success, welcome to my sig.

Someone needs to explain this girl the difference between a vagina and a clown car. I nominate LG, he has plenty of experience with both.
as far as threadjacks go, this one has to be the best and wittiest thus far.

True, certainly... I just have this particular dislike for people who have kids and expect someone else to raise them for them, you know?
I don't mind welfare, certainly not, and I don't mind helping families, either, but cases like this just ruffle my feathers when you get the impression that this girl is completely relying on her mom and donations to raise her family...

What do you mean "impression"?
Is this kid working? (Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to have seven kids in four years)

Is this kid taking care of her kids? Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to go have more.

Is someone else doing all the shit work and giving it to her on a platter? Sure looks like it.

Not as bad as the 11 year old mother in Scotland...

Stiil, credit where it's due, she knows how to work the system!

Can't she be sent to another area to lower her bun-in-oven-production-rate?
Like Antarctica.

Can't she be sent to another area to lower her bun-in-oven-production-rate?
Like Antarctica.
or made a Japanese citizen and shipped off there. By the time she's 30, she'd have single-handedly* solved their looming population decline crisis.

*obviously I don't mean single-handedly in the Biblical, Onan, sense. If she'd been doing that, she wouldn't have had 7 kids.

What do you mean "impression"?
Is this kid working? (Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to have seven kids in four years)

Is this kid taking care of her kids? Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to go have more.

Is someone else doing all the shit work and giving it to her on a platter? Sure looks like it.

In dubio pro reo, we don't after all know all the details, as there's just the one report. But so far, the evidence is definitely against her.
Not that 7 kids aren't an awful lot of work, true, but having them and expecting others to cough up for them... well, personally, I've got a moral problem with that.

Not a legal one, mind. If a family with 7 kids are entitled to have a house from the government, by all means, she should have one, too. But to keep popping out the kids and expecting welfare to cover all the bills is exactly what gives welfare receipients such a bad name. She's basically making it worse for others who might need welfare in the future.

I knew I saved this image for a reason:(mostly I'm testing to see if image upload works)

What do you mean "impression"?
Is this kid working? (Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to have seven kids in four years)

Is this kid taking care of her kids? Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to go have more.

Is someone else doing all the shit work and giving it to her on a platter? Sure looks like it.
But she's a VICTIM, don't you understand? She was too stupid to wait to have sex or at least use a condom, and now the state should serve her every need! It's not HER fault she can't keep her legs crossed! (Sarcasm for those who don't get it)

why did do i think those kids are going to hear this alot

your mother had you when (age here) WTF

7 kids? She should make the men wrap up or take it in the ass from now on.

pfft her mother helps with the cleaning it doesn't really give anything else that she does


Read it again, especially this part :

Pamela's mother, who cleans houses to support her daughter and rapidly increasing number of grandchildren, says they will now seek more assistance from the government for the new additions to the family.

I don't mind welfare, certainly not, and I don't mind helping families, either, but cases like this just ruffle my feathers when you get the impression that this girl is completely relying on her mom and donations to raise her family...

pfft her mother helps with the cleaning it doesn't really give anything else that she does

I think it violates common sense to assume all she does is watch T.V and screw the pizza man at the very least she will never be able to sleep again :p

What do you mean "impression"?
Is this kid working? (Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to have seven kids in four years)

you seem to jump to the conclusion that having children means you can't work?

contrary to what you may hear you still work long into a pregnancy

Is this kid taking care of her kids? Obviously not, or she wouldn't have time to go have more.

even single moms manage to get out! shock as this is her family may actually babysit!

Is someone else doing all the shit work and giving it to her on a platter? Sure looks like it.

it does? her mother said she helps cleaning so does her father do all the breastfeeding?

I knew I saved this image for a reason:(mostly I'm testing to see if image upload works)

Why did someone add the text to that image? The original cartoon works fine without it.

Why did someone add the text to that image? The original cartoon works fine without it.

I am pretty sure the original didn't have one. I recognized the style of one of the most talented american sarcastic cartoonist, Quino, from Argentina. His lonely strips are usually mute. Someone added the text in english afterwards, damaging the idea, indeed.

It's highly likely she's not breastfeeding. Brestfeeding mums usually aren't able to get pregnant.

That and she doesn't have 7 breasts. *nods*

And I thought my ex-girlfriend having 5 kids in five years was a lot.

Mum at age 16. Fast forward a few years and, determined not to let her own daughter make the same mistake out of ignorance, thoroughly teaches her all about sex, contraception, etc etc. Result? All this talk about sex makes daughter wildly curious and is a mum at age 17.)
Same here. My grandmother bore my mom (her first child) at sixteen. She went on to have eleven more children.......

Just think: She could be a grandmother at 28, great-grandmother at 42, great-great-grandmother at 56, great-great-great-grandmother at 70 and a great-great-great-great-grandmother at the ripe old age of 84!


(Actually my aunt was a grandma at 33. Real irony there too. She was brought up in a very strict Catholic household. No mention of sex or sex ed at all. So of course she just had to try it to see what it was all about. result? Mum at age 16. Fast forward a few years and, determined not to let her own daughter make the same mistake out of ignorance, thoroughly teaches her all about sex, contraception, etc etc. Result? All this talk about sex makes daughter wildly curious and is a mum at age 17.)

It's highly likely she's not breastfeeding. Brestfeeding mums usually aren't able to get pregnant.
IIRC that method of contraception is usually effective for only up to six months...

it does? her mother said she helps cleaning so does her father do all the breastfeeding?
It's highly likely she's not breastfeeding. Brestfeeding mums usually aren't able to get pregnant.

Read it again, especially this part :

fine you caught me! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=r_yhCi5X-zg)

Actually my aunt was a grandma at 33. Real irony there too. She was brought up in a very strict Catholic household. No mention of sex or sex ed at all. So of course she just had to try it to see what it was all about. result? Mum at age 16. Fast forward a few years and, determined not to let her own daughter make the same mistake out of ignorance, thoroughly teaches her all about sex, contraception, etc etc. Result? All this talk about sex makes daughter wildly curious and is a mum at age 17.

well at least its going up every generation...

It's highly likely she's not breastfeeding. Brestfeeding mums usually aren't able to get pregnant.

it reduces the immediate possibility however would a Brazilian woman most likely heavily dependent on the nations welfare be able to afford such liquids or even access for that matter?

IIRC that method of contraception is usually effective for only up to six months...
She has been having kids only a year apart, which indicates pregnancy 3-4 months after giving birth.
it reduces the immediate possibility however would a Brazilian woman most likely heavily dependent on the nations welfare be able to afford such liquids or even access for that matter?
possibly from some infant-formula company that thought giving her a year's supply of their crap would be good marketing. I'm sure after her first set of triplets, she was given loads of free stuff from such companies.

In bars and cafes, as well as the letters pages of newspapers, there has been widespread criticism of Pamela's alleged promiscuity.Why the hell should I or anyone else care about this person's alleged promiscuity?

How about all the slutty men she slept with? Does anyone care about their alleged promiscuity?

People keep going "OMG SEVEN KIDS", but it was only three pregnancies.

I'm not excusing her idiocy, but a 16 year old with three kids would be shocking but no where near as interesting as one with seven.

People like this are why I consider never spawning. There is far too much stupidity in this world. After having one pregnancy that bore three little screaming mistakes, wouldn't she have gotten the picture that pull-out doesn't work?

Same here. My grandmother bore my mom (her first child) at sixteen. She went on to have eleven more children.......
a Catholic household by any chance?
My Grandmother had 9 kids. Last three in her 40s (set of twins at 41, daughter at 43).
My Granddad must have been wondering how long it was going to take before they could have sex without any worries!

a Catholic household by any chance?
My Grandmother had 9 kids. Last three in her 40s (set of twins at 41, daughter at 43).
My Granddad must have been wondering how long it was going to take before they could have sex without any worries!
nominally Catholic. nonpracticing in reality.

and, of those 12, only half of them are still alive...

People keep going "OMG SEVEN KIDS", but it was only three pregnancies.

I'm not excusing her idiocy, but a 16 year old with three kids would be shocking but no where near as interesting as one with seven.

People like this are why I consider never spawning. There is far too much stupidity in this world. After having one pregnancy that bore three little screaming mistakes, wouldn't she have gotten the picture that pull-out doesn't work?

That is an excellent point!

That is an excellent point!No, it's not. If she's really too stupid to understand birth control, as some have claimed, than she's obviously retarded. She can't be faulted for that.

It's more likely that she knows what she is doing, but she doesn't see feel guilty about giving birth to people she has no means to take care of. That's a problem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.

After having 7 kids, having sex with her must be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway. :eek:

I knew I saved this image for a reason:(mostly I'm testing to see if image upload works)

Is it wrong of me that I'd side with the rabbit?

No, it's not. If she's really too stupid to understand birth control, as some have claimed, than she's obviously retarded. She can't be faulted for that.

picture your average American

now remember that this girl lives in the developing world (and a heavily catholic country at that):p

Is it wrong of me that I'd side with the rabbit?

only if you also see a baby with rabbit ears

Someone needs to explain this girl the difference between a vagina and a clown car. I nominate LG, he has plenty of experience with both.

By the way, the biggest difference between a vagina and a clowncar is that one of them has better mileage and an independent rear suspension. But I'm not saying which. :)

only if you also see a baby with rabbit ears

WHat about a bunny with an affinity for mud and tacos?

No, it's not. If she's really too stupid to understand birth control, as some have claimed, than she's obviously retarded. She can't be faulted for that.

It's more likely that she knows what she is doing, but she doesn't see feel guilty about giving birth to people she has no means to take care of. That's a problem.

Like someone else brought up, this is a 16 year old girl in a country that is predominantly Catholic. I'm betting she grew up pretty strictly Catholic. So... condoms and the pill would be VERY frowned upon. She probably UNDERSTANDS birth control, but feels it is morally wrong.

She probably doesn't understand that you'll never get pregnant with anal or oral, which someone should explain to her before she has sextuplets.

Like someone else brought up, this is a 16 year old girl in a country that is predominantly Catholic. I'm betting she grew up pretty strictly Catholic. So... condoms and the pill would be VERY frowned upon. She probably UNDERSTANDS birth control, but feels it is morally wrong.

She probably doesn't understand that you'll never get pregnant with anal or oral, which someone should explain to her before she has sextuplets.

Is it bad that I lol'd at your word choice?

Like someone else brought up, this is a 16 year old girl in a country that is predominantly Catholic. I'm betting she grew up pretty strictly Catholic. So... condoms and the pill would be VERY frowned upon. She probably UNDERSTANDS birth control, but feels it is morally wrong.

But....wouldn't sex outside of marriage also be frowned upon and seen as morally wrong?

She probably doesn't understand that you'll never get pregnant with anal or oral, which someone should explain to her before she has sextuplets.

But....wouldn't those types of sex also be frowned upon and seen as morally wrong?

Wow that's awesome.

She lives in a rural area of a less-developed country--what can you expect...

slut :rolleyes:

the girl's an idiot. Stop having sex with everyone you see!

the girl's an idiot. Stop having sex with everyone you see!Only 3 instances are provable... I'm sure she's seen more than 3 guys in her life.

But....wouldn't sex outside of marriage also be frowned upon and seen as morally wrong?



But....wouldn't those types of sex also be frowned upon and seen as morally wrong?

I've had some Catholic friends try to explain this to me. Anal and oral "aren't really sex", so they "wouldn't count" (hey, that's what younger teenage kids in the US say). And somehow premarital sex is a lesser evil than using condoms.

Don't ask me to make it make sense. Just what I've heard.

Only 3 instances are provable... I'm sure she's seen more than 3 guys in her life.

Though it only takes three rounds of unprotected sex to produce three possible pregnancies. It's possible she didn't sleep with that many. After all, she could have easily got pregnant on her first fuck-a-thon.

I've had some Catholic friends try to explain this to me. Anal and oral "aren't really sex", so they "wouldn't count" (hey, that's what younger teenage kids in the US say). And somehow premarital sex is a lesser evil than using condoms.

Don't ask me to make it make sense. Just what I've heard.

I had a Catholic boyfriend who explained to me that while condom use and premarital sex were both sins, premarital sex without a condom would be worse than premarital sex with a condom.

LOL

If she made use of the rear suspension she'd not have so many kids.

you would think she'd get the message after the first set of triplets that she's very fertile, and should USE PROTECTION. She did kinda get a raw deal with the triplets though. So did the kids.

People keep going "OMG SEVEN KIDS", but it was only three pregnancies.

I'm not excusing her idiocy, but a 16 year old with three kids would be shocking but no where near as interesting as one with seven.

People like this are why I consider never spawning. There is far too much stupidity in this world. After having one pregnancy that bore three little screaming mistakes, wouldn't she have gotten the picture that pull-out doesn't work?

Well, getting pregnant again after the first 4 is kind of more irresponsible and stupid then getting pregant again after a second kid, isn't it?

pfft her mother helps with the cleaning it doesn't really give anything else that she does

I think it violates common sense to assume all she does is watch T.V and screw the pizza man at the very least she will never be able to sleep again :p



you seem to jump to the conclusion that having children means you can't work?

contrary to what you may hear you still work long into a pregnancy



even single moms manage to get out! shock as this is her family may actually babysit!



it does? her mother said she helps cleaning so does her father do all the breastfeeding?

Orrrrrrrrr, is the kid NOT having to bathe, feed, and change diapers for seven and therefore has time enough to fuck around?

Seriously, ONE kid is a full time job. You have FOUR, and you get pregnant again?

And the mother cleans other people's houses for money. Reading is fundamental.

If I was the government this is the point where I'd tell her to clean up her own mess.

Why is the government funding this? I'm not welfare opponent, but come on. I know how the government can help - free surgery so she can't have more kids.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.

Well, damn. She probably couldn't find a ten gallon bucket to put both her feet into so she put one five gallon bucket on each foot before climbing into bed, or the hay stack, or whatever...by the way, where the hell is/are the sperm donor(s)?

Promiscuous teens FTW! self

Bak kin the middle ages, ALL (okay, almost all) european women were like that -- thank goodness they've (mostly) come to their senses.

Many in the UK still are. 'Tis a sad thing.

Like someone else brought up, this is a 16 year old girl in a country that is predominantly Catholic. I'm betting she grew up pretty strictly Catholic. So... condoms and the pill would be VERY frowned upon. She probably UNDERSTANDS birth control, but feels it is morally wrong.

She probably doesn't understand that you'll never get pregnant with anal or oral, which someone should explain to her before she has sextuplets.

I find it strange that people have this outdated and misconceived view on catholics especially Americans, maybe it is a by product of the Protestants who settled the continent and the views have passed down the generations.

I myself am Catholic and even went to a Catholic school, during my time there I was taught about sex STD's contraceptives from condoms to the pill and everything in between (this probably shocks a few people). The Catholic Church while they may have in the past frowned upon it they certainly have changed their view and are well aware that teens will have sex. I do know a few girls who have become pregnant during their teen years and this may also come as a surprise to people they weren't religious at all.

Many in the UK still are. 'Tis a sad thing.

Hah! You should see the Irish...

Maybe an armed guard:
"Put the dick down, miss! Back away slowly and keep your crotch where I can see it!"
LG as always provides the best ideas.

I find it strange that people have this outdated and misconceived view on catholics especially Americans, maybe it is a by product of the Protestants who settled the continent and the views have passed down the generations.

I myself am Catholic and even went to a Catholic school, during my time there I was taught about sex STD's contraceptives from condoms to the pill and everything in between (this probably shocks a few people). The Catholic Church while they may have in the past frowned upon it they certainly have changed their view and are well aware that teens will have sex. I do know a few girls who have become pregnant during their teen years and this may also come as a surprise to people they weren't religious at all.

There ARE still conservative Catholics, though. I've met them and an ex of mine knew/knows a good deal. The ex is Catholic and doesn't disapprove of condoms and birth control, but some of the people he knew that went to Catholic school think it's wrong.

Plus, I went to a public school and they weren't allowed to teach us about contraceptives beyond "They exist". I live in an abstinence-only education area, so even at the private schools that's all they hear. It's easy for misinformation to travel to teenagers (especially only at 16) about how you can get pregnant when your sex education is that limited.

There ARE still conservative Catholics, though. I've met them and an ex of mine knew/knows a good deal. The ex is Catholic and doesn't disapprove of condoms and birth control, but some of the people he knew that went to Catholic school think it's wrong.

Plus, I went to a public school and they weren't allowed to teach us about contraceptives beyond "They exist". I live in an abstinence-only education area, so even at the private schools that's all they hear. It's easy for misinformation to travel to teenagers (especially only at 16) about how you can get pregnant when your sex education is that limited.

I am sure they are but to brandish all Catholics and Catholic education institutions with that same brush is wrong,, and if people want to think that pre marital sex is wrong and will not have sex until they are married I don't see the problem. Just because they are Catholic and don't believe in using condoms and having sex outside of marriage while may have once been something that was dictated by the Vatican that is no longer the case and those people you know may have been led to believe that contraceptives and sex outside of marriage is wrong and may or may not be because of a Catholic upbringing but due to some other social factors that has led them to believe this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7258072.stm

Someone's gotta tell that girl how to keep her legs crossed. Also that condoms aren't just for filling with water and hurling at passers-by.
Not to mention explaining the same to the father(s).

I find it strange that people have this outdated and misconceived view on catholics especially Americans, maybe it is a by product of the Protestants who settled the continent and the views have passed down the generations.

I myself am Catholic and even went to a Catholic school, during my time there I was taught about sex STD's contraceptives from condoms to the pill and everything in between (this probably shocks a few people). The Catholic Church while they may have in the past frowned upon it they certainly have changed their view and are well aware that teens will have sex. I do know a few girls who have become pregnant during their teen years and this may also come as a surprise to people they weren't religious at all.
We didn't learn any of that in Catholic school - or real school. In the latter half of the year, the health class would be taken over once a week by sex ed class but that was half-assed at best and no one wanted to do it. Then they introduced "abstinence ed" taught by a 25-year old married virgin :rolleyes:

There ARE still conservative Catholics, though. I've met them and an ex of mine knew/knows a good deal. The ex is Catholic and doesn't disapprove of condoms and birth control, but some of the people he knew that went to Catholic school think it's wrong.

Plus, I went to a public school and they weren't allowed to teach us about contraceptives beyond "They exist". I live in an abstinence-only education area, so even at the private schools that's all they hear. It's easy for misinformation to travel to teenagers (especially only at 16) about how you can get pregnant when your sex education is that limited.

You would think after the second time she had sex and got pregnant with the first set of triplets, the little lightbulb would have gone on over her head....

I am sure they are but to brandish all Catholics and Catholic education institutions with that same brush is wrong,, and if people want to think that pre marital sex is wrong and will not have sex until they are married I don't see the problem. Just because they are Catholic and don't believe in using condoms and having sex outside of marriage while may have once been something that was dictated by the Vatican that is no longer the case and those people you know may have been led to believe that contraceptives and sex outside of marriage is wrong and may or may not be because of a Catholic upbringing but due to some other social factors that has led them to believe this

Okay, that last sentence makes my brain bleed, BUT.

The point isn't that it's what the Vatican mandates these days. It's like saying Baptists think dancing is wrong. Maybe this used to be wide-spread at one time. It isn't now, but there are still people who believe these things because they had a non-traditional, conservative upbringing in regards to their religion. (see: Carrie. There ARE people as fanatical as Carrie's mother in existence, but they are the exception, not the rule.) The majority of Catholics I know aren't like that (majority = all but one, maybe), BUT I know that the rare exception exists.

Using that logic, I'm kind of assuming Catholicism may have had something to do with it.

That and large amounts of stupidity. Vast, amazing, unfathomable amounts of stupidity. After the first set of triplets, I'd become a lesbian and keep my legs shut.

Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve mentioned something about the scientific correlation between a woman's IQ and the amount of children she has, as well as how late in life she has them.

It is, as one would expect: more well-educated women tend to want fewer children later in life.

If, in fact, IQ is passed through the genes, what would be the result of many less-educated women having many more children and not very many better-educated women having fewer children?

I wonder what Darwin would say about this. Especially considering the current problems we are running into as the world becomes overpopulated.

Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve mentioned something about the scientific correlation between a woman's IQ and the amount of children she has, as well as how late in life she has them.

It is, as one would expect: more well-educated women tend to want fewer children later in life.

If, in fact, IQ is passed through the genes, what would be the result of many less-educated women having many more children and not very many better-educated women having fewer children?

I wonder what Darwin would say about this. Especially considering the current problems we are running into as the world becomes overpopulated.

Darwin would say that obviously, intelligence is not a requirement to survive and produce offspring, therefore it's not necessary for the survival of the species and will eventually be bred out of it...

Sad, but possibly true.

This girl needs to try the new birth control pill, you put it between your legs and you keep it there.

Someone needs to explain this girl the difference between a vagina and a clown car. I nominate LG, he has plenty of experience with both.

WTF, appropriately.

slut :rolleyes:

Having sex verifiably twice and with - probably - the same partner makes a girl slut? Interesting.

:eek: Wow!

Need to send some spelunkers in there to explore. *nod*

Something about the two words: Spelunking, and Vagina... used effectively together... give me a major chill....

:D

Okay, that last sentence makes my brain bleed, BUT.

The point isn't that it's what the Vatican mandates these days. It's like saying Baptists think dancing is wrong. Maybe this used to be wide-spread at one time. It isn't now, but there are still people who believe these things because they had a non-traditional, conservative upbringing in regards to their religion. (see: Carrie. There ARE people as fanatical as Carrie's mother in existence, but they are the exception, not the rule.) The majority of Catholics I know aren't like that (majority = all but one, maybe), BUT I know that the rare exception exists.

Using that logic, I'm kind of assuming Catholicism may have had something to do with it.

That and large amounts of stupidity. Vast, amazing, unfathomable amounts of stupidity. After the first set of triplets, I'd become a lesbian and keep my legs shut.

Yes I am well aware of that which is what I said, my original point was that you seem to hear from lot of Americans about Catholic this and Catholics that which may be based on a few Catholics that they know or some outdated ideas on Catholics and Catholicism which are simply not true any more.

Yes maybe Catholicism had something to do with it but that is just assumption and to say because she is Catholic that is the reason is wrong, there may have been other factors involved maybe was curious and contraceptives were hard to come by, maybe it was some sort of peer pressure thing that she must have sex, maybe she was drunk and the father or fathers managed to talk her into it or she had been having sex for a long time and she just wanted to have it all the time, and thus the laws of probability kicks in, yes I know she may have only had sex three times I think she was stupid and should have been more careful and the mother should have given her a right dressing down after the first one, and she should have been more careful. But as there are so many incidents around the world where the only teenage mothers are Catholic that must be the reason

It's sad, how the article reports two main reactions to the situation:

1) She's a slut.
2) She doesn't know about contraception.

Both of those bum me out, though for different reasons.

I see those same assumptions repeated in people's posts in this thread.

The slut-shaming thing is pathetic, so I'm not going to waste time addressing it.

The assumption that the girl doesn't know about contraception, or is too stupid to use it, does deserve a comment (in my opinion). Given the amount of publicity surrounding this, and given that this girl has already been through TWO pregnancies before her latest set of triplets, I find it unlikely that nobody's told her about contraception yet.

It's far more likely that she does not have access to contraception. Perhaps she cannot afford it. Perhaps her male partner(s) don't permit the use of it. Perhaps there is nobody distributing contraception near where she lives.

It's also possible that she simply doesn't want to use it. I know many people may be shocked by this, but 17 year old girls are actual human beings with brains and everything. While I might not like her choices, I'm also not about to assume that she's a moron just because she's made choices I don't like.

We know virtually nothing about her situation. For all we know, she's making the best possible choices in her situation. Let's not leap to assume that she's stupid, or slutty, or otherwise inferior.

Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve mentioned something about the scientific correlation between a woman's IQ and the amount of children she has, as well as how late in life she has them.

Given that The Bell Curve is one of the most famous racist pseudo-science screeds of the modern era, I recommend you not cite it as support for anything, ever.

We know virtually nothing about her situation. For all we know, she's making the best possible choices in her situation. Let's not leap to assume that she's stupid, or slutty, or otherwise inferior.

I can not imagine a situation in her case, unless she is literally being raped, where not refusing sex without contraception is at all the best possible choice.

I can not imagine a situation in her case, unless she is literally being raped, where not refusing sex without contraception is at all the best possible choice.
I could imagine many situations.

How about a situation in which she has basically no future open to her beyond being a mother? If that's to be her fate anyhow, why wait? Having babies while her body is young and healthy makes sense in that case. Particularly if she wants a shot at being supported by her children in her old age.

How about a situation in which her family and community praise and support her for being fertile and churning out babies? I know plenty such communities in my own country. She could be (correctly) identifying the fact that she will receive praise, rewards, and status for producing babies. She may not have any other means of attaining such status.

How about a situation in which she has been raised to believe that females are to submit to male authority, and thus she does not feel that she gets to refuse sex? She may consent simply because she does not see it as realistic to withhold consent.

That's three off the top of my head. Do I think she'd be better off if she were in a situation where she had limitless options and the freedom to choose her own path in life? You're fucking right I do. But I also know that it's quite likely that she has extremely limited options and virtually zero freedom to choose.

Pamela Anderson?

*gives you a dirty look*

OF COURSE NOT!

Pamela Anderson:
1. Is more than 16 years old
2. Does not live in Argentina

Maybe an armed guard:

"Put the dick down, miss! Back away slowly and keep your crotch where I can see it!"
See Dick shoot.
See Dick run away.

Having sex verifiably twice and with - probably - the same partner makes a girl slut? Interesting.

Verifiably three times.

First birth, single
Second birth, triple
Third birth, triple.

I think I might be able to figure out why she has not started using contraceptives by now.
The article says that the government built her a house for having the first set of triplets.
She might be reasoning that if she got that kind of deal once, she can get it again.

Why the hell should I or anyone else care about this person's alleged promiscuity?

How about all the slutty men she slept with? Does anyone care about their alleged promiscuity?

No. Apart from paternity testing, which can involve mix-ups at the lab, or distinctive genetic traits (Superman Returns with the apparent son of Superman), men can get away with it far more easily. That's why guidebooks on manliness include advice on how to exploit this situation to the greatest possible advantage. Besides, men are supposed to be stallions in order to get repute with their buddies. It's a measure of rank. [/sarcasm]

I think I might be able to figure out why she has not started using contraceptives by now.
The article says that the government built her a house for having the first set of triplets.
She might be reasoning that if she got that kind of deal once, she can get it again.
Exactly. Now, for somebody living in my country in my situation, that might be contemptible. But what if this girl is in a situation where she's got zero chance of getting a house any other way? What if producing babies provides her an avenue of advancement unequaled by anything else available to her? It's perfectly reasonable and rational for her to keep making babies in that situation.