NationStates Jolt Archive

Saddest thing is that America encourage colonial rebellion by not supporting colonialist nations.

Suez being a prime Example.

And at the sametime, we condemned the aggressive invasion Hungary by the USSR. If we condemned that then we had no choice but to condemn Israel, France, and Britain for their aggressive action during the Suez Crisis.

Why were the Russians so bad?

Their ideals, whatever the practice may have been, were just as honourable as those of the USA.

Oh bullshit. Hungary rejected Communism and they launched a full scale invasion and did far more damage to the country of Hungary than we did in Iraq.

For a Christian Country, strange that the USA is so opposed to communism.

Um...we are not a Christian Country.

After all, Jesus never said "Money makes better people, the poor should get all they deserve"

And I agree but if you look at communism, the poor suffered far worse conditions.

Why were the Russians so bad?

Their ideals, whatever the practice may have been, were just as honourable as those of the USA.

For a Christian Country, strange that the USA is so opposed to communism.

After all, Jesus never said "Money makes better people, the poor should get all they deserve"

Vietnam?

A former colony of a Soverign nation.

The comment you were responding to was sarcasm. You did prove in responding however, that you did the same thing he was pretending to do. Happy you big ol' hypocrite?

Firstly, I too was being sarcastic.

Poppycock! Most of the toilets in the England are older than I am (21 years old). You've got ancient European funk from centuries ago in some of those loos.
Maybe your mini coopers and sexy morgan roadsters can go around corners, but try moving apartments sometime and see how many boxes you can fit in one of those squeaky little cars. And don't tell me that landrovers do a good job because their are a lot more of those in Georgia than in England.
And black Angus beef tastes too dark, like its been over-cooked. You want a really good burger, go to Texas and get a Longhorn or buffalo steak burger.:p

And by the way, I singled out the English on purpose, My last name is Welsh and I would never rag on my direct ancestors. Die you heathen invading English scum!

Secondly:

I'm glad you know the age of the contents of some of our toilets (for the sake of sarcasm). You are probably right though about some of them (not all, I don't know were you've seen them!)

Try to arrange a lorry/van/use of a larger car when moving apartments- if at all possible- I do not mean to insult you with this point.

The Morgan Roadster is not a car that I intend to use to get from A to B for what ever reason- its not practical and, more realistically, I probably can't afford one.

Don't disperage the Mini Cooper!

I wasn't going to bring up Landrovers but as you mention it- they're pointless in the city but of course good in the country- good for Georgia.

The Aberdeen Angus steak I order is well done, and it was juicy, chewy and lovely. Maybe you ordered it differently?

I have yet to have a Longhorn burger or Buffalo steak- closest I've actually had was a bag of crisps with the latter as flavour! I'll get round to it, but of course I wouldn't specifically go to Texas for one though!

Nice to see favouritism as part of the argument! No harm in being loyal though.

The Welsh made a bollocks of the one real attempt to gain full independance from England, Wales has done alright for itself since, it was more of an annexation (a legal one- I think, as there was a LEGAL act of parliament to declare it).

English scum and proud!

Rant and a half that was. Good argument.

Firstly, I too was being sarcastic.

Ahh, it seems my sarcasm detector has failed. *shame*

The Welsh made a bollocks of the one real attempt to gain full independance from England, Wales has done alright for itself since, it was more of an annexation (a legal one- I think, as there was a LEGAL act of parliament to declare it).


If it was anything like the 1801 Act of Union with Ireland then it wasn't all that legal.

. And don't tell me that landrovers do a good job because their are a lot more of those in Georgia than in England.


evidently you never been to Lincolnshire there are loads of good old Landies and they good job

If it was anything like the 1801 Act of Union with Ireland then it wasn't all that legal.

Not many people complained at the time, as far as I know. They of course complained eventually, as we all know of the events in Ireland in 1916. However, that was brought about primarily bythe fact that the British governement decided to postpone the vote to allow Ireland Home Rule- in order to concentrate on the war. This angered a number of factions and it led to the Easter Rising in 1916. But it is most likely that had the uprising not happened then the Home Rule Bill would have resumed its passage to become law, Ireland would become a Dominion and would have gained independance in the same way that Canada, Australia and New Zealand did.

As for the legality of enveloping another peoples land, then the Americans stand guilty of that in the case of the Great Plains expansion and the general hunting down and expulsion of the Native Indians from their homeland. I know the US gov't gave them land to live on, and some settled for, but not all. I'd like to see if you can justify that.

evidently you never been to Lincolnshire there are loads of good old Landies and they good job

I have been to Lincolnshire- loved it! The sun never stopped shining, so great weather, great holiday!
Although after a few days the US air force wake up call started to get on my nerves (damn F-15s!). Good to watch though.
I didn't really pay attention to how many land rovers I could spot- but I found an English Electric Lightning as a car park attraction when passing a golf club! What place to find one!

The British Govt. never organised Genocide (australia was a prison).

As for the legality of enveloping another peoples land, then the Americans stand guilty of that in the case of the Great Plains expansion and the general hunting down and expulsion of the Native Indians from their homeland. I know the US gov't gave them land to live on, and some settled for, but not all. I'd like to see if you can justify that.

I blame Andrew Jackson for that one and no. Most of us do not justify it. It was sad that it occured and that is why I am a big opponet of Genocide.

Explain Ireland under Cromwell.

I'll get round that by pointing out that Cromwell was a nut who overthrew the state, then overruled parliament, and whose successor got overthrown to restore the Status Quo.

Therefore technically not the British Govt.

I blame Andrew Jackson for that one and no. Most of us do not justify it. It was sad that it occured and that is why I am a big opponet of Genocide.

Point taken.

By the way- come on Obama! Kick Clinton's arse!

The British Govt. never organised Genocide (australia was a prison).

Explain Ireland under Cromwell.

Explain Ireland under Cromwell.

Technically that's an English government, since the Union Bill was not even drafted until 1707.

I'll get round that by pointing out that Cromwell was a nut who overthrew the state, then overruled parliament, and whose successor got overthrown to restore the Status Quo.

Therefore technically not the British Govt.

That's like me saying that the Communist take over of Russia was not technically the Russian Government.

The fact of the matter is, he was the British Government and organized an ethnic cleansing of Irish Catholics and moved them down to southern Ireland.

This was not the first time the Brits have done something like this. They nearly exterminated an entire Indian Tribe during the Seven Years War all because they refused to recognize King George I in 1713 and then again under King George III in 1761.

Explain Ireland under Cromwell.

Also, I must concede before it is used against me, the Mau Mau rebellion.

Like your Andrew Jackson, Cromwell was a bit of a twat. Good soldier, no question about it, but a terrible politician.

True, but he was called the Lord Protector of England, Ireland, and Scotland and conquered both Scotland and Ireland and did it in the name of England.

Yes, the crucial point then being that the government remained English, rather than actually British. Pure pedantry, but strictly it was not a British government.

Technically that's an English government, since the Union Bill was not even drafted until 1707.

True, but he was called the Lord Protector of England, Ireland, and Scotland and conquered both Scotland and Ireland and did it in the name of England.

That's like me saying that the Communist take over of Russia was not technically the Russian Government.

The fact of the matter is, he was the British Government and organized an ethnic cleansing of Irish Catholics and moved them down to southern Ireland.

This was not the first time the Brits have done something like this. They nearly exterminated an entire Indian Tribe during the Seven Years War all because they refused to recognize King George I in 1713 and then again under King George III in 1761.

First paragraph- didn't some western countries not recognize Russia years after the establishment of the USSR?

Second, I am of Irish Catholic descent, but born and bred in England. Personally I only hate Cromwell for what happened in Ireland, not the English as a whole as most loyal Irishmen do. The simple fact for this is because we come to the argument of soldiers following their orders- as good soldiers do. This is my personal view. I'll be cheeky and quote you as saying that we "nearly" wiped out an Indian tribe- we can't have been to good at it then (joke view!).
Objectively speaking, although we commited these acts, seperating the Irish catholics and the Irish Protestants did not apply fully to all the populace, as we know, but I think that had that not been the case then the Ireland may have been gripped in greater chaos than it did during the civil war and the troubles- but this is a "what if" scenario.
In the long run the use of Irish soldiers proved indispensible in the Napoleonic wars, colonial wars et al. They fought well for us and on many occasions the western world owes them alot in terms of holding back the dictators.

As for the events of the Seven years War- the pressure was really on us to do what we could to survive what was a global onslaught on our colonial possesions. Anti-imperialism counter arguments aside, desperate times call for desperate, and dirty measures- in this case, to hold our dominance in India- without the revenue from India had France taken it, our economy would have fallen to its knees for all we know- trade and money was the reason why we were in India. America would do the same ( I mean resort to depserate or dirty measures) to win a war against enemies around the world- of course nothing so hugely violent as what nations in the past have done (well... we can't tell- you never know what will happen in the future).

I feel dirty for having read all this shit. Anyone got some soap?

I feel dirty for having read all this shit. Anyone got some soap?

Here

*lobs bar of soap across forum*

i choice other, the other contry is in my case "The Kingdom of Denmark" (just "Denmark" in common spech) i choice this contry not only becourse i live there, but also becourse Denmark is a great contry.

War: We are verry peacefull nowdays (ok, we help USA in Afganistan and until last year Iraq, but most of our losses is coursed by friendly fire), around year 1000 AD we rulled (together with Norway and Sweden) most of the European coasts.

Civilisation: err.... what is that?

Invention: longboats, greenland, Carlsberg and Tuborg beer, danish.

Infastructure: every time there is builded one much needed highway on "Sjæland" (island that houses Copenhagen, biggest city of the contry and cappital of Denmark), a not needed highway is builded in Jutland (only not-island part of Denmark) to make the jutes happy..

Governing: Parliamentary democracy and Constitutional monarchy (we has a prime minister and a queen (and/or king)). Politics are (seen from an American view) verry leftwing, our most rigthwing are equal to the liberals of USA and our leftwing are by G. W. Bush called "commies".

Culture: We are the oldest monarchy in the world (since 950 AD), we are also the oldest contry of the world (also since 950 AD), we have the world's oldest flag ("Dannebrog", fell down from the sky in the battle of tallin in estonia in 1219 AD), and the worlds best beer...

International relations: not so good....

Anything Else:
Main Exports: beer, milk and stuff like that, cartoons that makes fun of islam.
Taxes: min. 40% max. 60%.

i got a good point there, eh?

Denmark sounds fine and dandy except for those ridiculously high taxes.