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It doesnt effect me, so if its consentual, sure.


Its icky, but none of my business.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

I think its weird and kind of disturbing, but if they are consenting I don't see any particular reason to outlaw (I just hope that it doesn't result in kids)

Yes, it's gross, but I don't understand how any consenting adults sexual behavior can be illegal.

It's the same with polygamy. If you want forty wives, then so be it if they are consenting adults.

Yeah, if they want to deal with 40 women on their periods or 40 wives mad at them and nagging them, and if they want to be that unhappy, why the hell not;)

I vote yes. Childbirth between siblings, parent/child, etc. should be discouraged, however (sharing 1/2 of the genes, maybe up to 1/4...I forget the research on this)

Where was anything said about childbirth in the OP?

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

This is a perfect case for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

Do what you want, but for God's sake - I don't want to know about it!

Yes, it's gross, but I don't understand how any consenting adults sexual behavior can be illegal.

It's the same with polygamy. If you want forty wives or husbands, then so be it if they are consenting adults.

I vote yes. Childbirth between siblings, parent/child, etc. should be discouraged, however (sharing 1/2 of the genes, maybe up to 1/4...I forget the research on this)

no for true incest-- parents with children, siblings with each other.

too much likelihood of exploitation.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal?

Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with it, at least if it's non-reproductive.

Consensual incest between similar-age brothers and sisters is not uncommon, according to a study by Floyd Martinson, who found that 10-15% of college students had childhood sexual experiences with a brother or sister.[15] However, only 5-10% of those included intercourse

Soooooooo. Statistically speaking, who's ready to come out of the closet and admit to having had intercourse with their sibling? I mean if 10-15% of college students, imagine the amount of idiots not smart enough to make it to college who dabble in it.

Consenting adults, sure, have at it.

Where was anything said about childbirth in the OP?

Where did I say it was?
I said yes, it should be allowed, however, childbirth between close relatives should be discouraged.

Where did I imply that childbirth was in the OP?

It doesnt effect me, so if its consentual, sure.


Its icky, but none of my business.

No, because then I have to pay taxes to support their messed up child.

Hell no. That's one of the most unnatural things possible. It's not like it's going to stop them if it's illegal though.

My favorite incestuous weirdo is Edgar Allen Poe. But he was screwed up.

Where did I say it was?
I said yes, it should be allowed, however, childbirth between close relatives should be discouraged.

Where did I imply that childbirth was in the OP?

My bad, I read it as "Yes, it should be illegal, childbirth between close relatives should be discouraged."
:(

My bad, I read it as "Yes, it should be illegal, childbirth between close relatives should be discouraged."
:(ahh...alright. No worries.:)

I see nothing wrong with incest in and of itself.

But there are problems regarding authority, coercion and exploitation. Then there's the risks of breeding.

Seems like a legal morass best avoided. Just fuck your best friend instead. :)

Seems like a legal morass best avoided. Just fuck your best friend instead. :)

Or your best friend's sister/brother/father/mother. As the case may be. :p

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?
Yes. It's none of the government's business, and as such should not be prohibited.

Or your best friend's sister/brother/father/mother. As the case may be. :p
All of the above? At once?

Wait...that brings us back to the incest issue, doesn't it?:(

No, because it creates genetically damaged people. :(

It wouldn't be fair to the kids of the incest parents.

All of the above? At once?
If that's how you roll.
Wait...that brings us back to the incest issue, doesn't it?:(
Yes, yes it does.
Sort of like the mafia, you can never leave the family.

No. No. No.
I think it damages the family unit.

Except for those poor brother and sister on House. How were they supposed to know? He had pale skin, she had dark skin!

No, because it creates genetically damaged people. :(

It wouldn't be fair to the kids of the incest parents.

Sex != reproduction.

No, because it creates genetically damaged people. :(

It wouldn't be fair to the kids of the incest parents.

Should people with genetic diseases be prevented from breeding?

Should people with genetic diseases be prevented from breeding?

Clearly. How else will we reach the one perfect race?!

Remember kids, eugenics are good for you unless you are an inferior being!

Hell no. That's one of the most unnatural things possible.

unnatural? have you ever payed attention to how Lions and other such animals that live in families role?

seems fairly "natural" to me....

unnatural? have you ever payed attention to how Lions and other such animals that live in families role?

seems fairly "natural" to me....

Not really. I'm not into that kind of stuff...:p

Remember kids, eugenics are good for you unless you are an inferior being!
I should use that.

I should use that.

Herrenvolk FTW!

Should people with genetic diseases be prevented from breeding?

No, but as LG pointed out, the intense legal and social mess that results from incest makes it undesirable, not the act itself.

I vote yes. Childbirth between siblings, parent/child, etc. should be discouraged, however (sharing 1/2 of the genes, maybe up to 1/4...I forget the research on this)

According to research, from a eugenic standpoint, incest is only considered bad genetics when it is a direct sharing of genes such as father-daughter, mother-son, etc. I believe you're right about the figures, Sarkhaan..I remember reading somewhere that the risks were about at a 50% chance. First cousins and on offer a large enough genetic pool that the chance of passing on defects or lethal recessive genes are quite low.

Furthermore, it is interesting to note that cousin-marriage is not considered socially taboo in many Asian cultures--it seems to have originated mostly from European sources. Here's an additional question. Why do you think Asian cultures and European/Western culture differ so greatly in this aspect?

As for the question, I vote that incest shouldn't be a concern of the state.

Yeah, if they want to deal with 40 women on their periods or 40 wives mad at them and nagging them, and if they want to be that unhappy, why the hell not;)

Reminds me of an old dharma joke:
Q: How many wives does Buddhism allow? A: You may have as many as your tolerance for misery can bear.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

Assuming true consent and no breeding, sure.

According to research, from a eugenic standpoint, incest is only considered bad genetics when it is a direct sharing of genes such as father-daughter, mother-son, etc. First cousins and on offer a large enough genetic pool that the chance of passing on defects or lethal recessive genes are quite low.

Furthermore, it is interesting to note that cousin-marriage is not considered socially taboo in many Asian cultures--it seems to have originated mostly from European sources. Here's an additional question. Why do you think Asian cultures and European/Western culture differ so greatly in this aspect?

Right on...thats what I was looking for. I couldn't remember if first cousins were clear on the genetic level.

What interests me more is that the incest taboo is NOT universal. While that is curious, what is actually more interesting is that among those cultures without an incest taboo, the concept of incest was so revolting that they simply never considered such actions.

Right on...thats what I was looking for. I couldn't remember if first cousins were clear on the genetic level.

What interests me more is that the incest taboo is NOT universal. While that is curious, what is actually more interesting is that among those cultures without an incest taboo, the concept of incest was so revolting that they simply never considered such actions.I wasn't aware of that. What cultures consider it healthy for siblings to have sex?

I wasn't aware of that. What cultures consider it healthy for siblings to have sex?

None...thats what is interesting about it...the few cultures that lack the actual taboo have never even considered the act within memory...In other words, where we need a taboo and disgust to keep us out of it, they are so repulsed by the idea that it never crosses their minds. Ever. Any of them.

Strange, eh?

I wasn't aware of that. What cultures consider it healthy for siblings to have sex?

He wasn't stating that any culture found sibling relations healthy or right. But some cultures aren't even phased by the concept of relations between cousins. I do agree with Sarkhaan, it's very interesting. I don't know of any area that finds direct incest acceptable.

legal? I think it should be mandatory!

ok, maybe not quite. I frankly could care less, I have much more important things to worry about.

If I had a hot sister, I would totally do her (assuming she was up for it)

If I had a hot sister, I would totally do her (assuming she was up for it)

I knew a guy named tongue-ass would be posting in the weird sex topic.

If I had a hot sister, I would totally do her (assuming she was up for it)

I DO have a hot sister... speaking of which... *dashes off to make hot incestuous love*


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I knew a guy named tongue-ass would be posting in the weird sex topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongass

No, because then I have to pay taxes to support their messed up child.

No, you don't. See, I hate it whenever I hear this argument for anything. "I don't want to pay taxes for this specific thing."

You're not paying for anything specific when you pay your taxes. What, do you think the IRS and other tax agencies have this huge chart that has all sorts of names on it? "Okay, John Jones here's gonna be paying for Social Security while Alisha Johnson pays for Medicare..."

All your money does is go into a huge pot from which money is then taken to be spent on things.

Sex, yes. Having children through such a union, no.

Yes, it's gross, but I don't understand how any consenting adults sexual behavior can be illegal.

It's the same with polygamy. If you want forty wives or husbands, then so be it if they are consenting adults.

The only problem with that is untangling all the rights that come with marriage. If you're allowed to marry as many people as you want, you could conceivably start a business marrying illegal aliens and make a hefty profit.

Hell no. That's one of the most unnatural things possible. It's not like it's going to stop them if it's illegal though.

My favorite incestuous weirdo is Edgar Allen Poe. But he was screwed up.

My vote's for Einstein.

First cousins and on offer a large enough genetic pool that the chance of passing on defects or lethal recessive genes are quite low.

Tell that to the Windsor-Valois-Hapsburg-Romanovs. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongass


Thanks. It seems that the Tongass is a temperate rain forest rimming the Pacific temperate rain forest zone. I get it now.

Thanks. It seems that the Tongass is a temperate rain forest rimming the Pacific temperate rain forest zone. I get it now.Not only that, but most of the forested areas sit on top of well-drained karst. The species of trees found in the temperate rainforest have trunks that are very straight and erect, and some of the longest and girthiest trunks in the world are found in the stands of old growth rainforest that haven't yet been logged. These old growth forests have up to four times the sheer biomass of a tropical rainforest. In spring, the rushing silty discharge of meltwater from the glaciers and snow give a milky tinge to the mountain-cradled oceanways from which writhing salmon emerge to clog the streams and rivers of the Tongass, forcing themselves against the current, penetrating into the heart of the forest to reproduce in its fertile depths.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

Here in Italy it is legal, as long as it doesn't become public - if it becomes public, it violates the "common sense of decency" and it entails a fine. If kept private, it's private business.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?No. A combination of threat to social stability and the dangers of inbreeding is why, though I don't support punishment because of incest. The exception to that would be an incestuous relationship between children and parents/aunts and uncles/grandparents, due to the responsibility and authority inferred from that relationship to the older ones.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

Yes, but the parties should do all in their power to ensure pregnancy cannot occur. Lord knows the world has enough retards in it already.

Inbreeding in small populations can have long-term positive effects: "small inbreeding populations, while initially increasing their chances for harmful homozygotic recessive pairings on a locus, will quickly eliminate such genes from their breeding pools, thus reducing their genetic loads" (Leavitt, 1990, p. 974). However, other specialists have argued that these positive long-term effects of inbreeding are almost always unrealized because the short-term fitness depression is enough for selection to discourage it.
Recent research shows that couples consisting of third cousins actually have the highest level of reproductive success: "The results of the exhaustive study are constant throughout the generations analyzed. Women born between 1800 and 1824 who mated with a third cousin had significantly more children and grandchildren (4.04 and 9.17, respectively) than women who hooked up with someone no closer than an eighth cousin (3.34 and 7.31). Those proportions held up among women born more than a century later when couples were, on average, having fewer children.". It is hypothesized that third-cousin couples may represent a "point of balance between the competing advantages and disadvantages of inbreeding and outbreeding."
The genetic risks of inbreeding are often overstated. "[F]irst cousins are third-degree relatives, uncle/niece are second-degree, and sibling/sibling or parent/child are first-degree. 'Uncle/niece risk is somewhat higher than first-cousin risk, which is between 1.7% to 2.8% above the background risk,' said [Robin] Bennett [manager of the Genetic Medicine Clinic at the University of Washington Medical Center]. 'Risk in first-degree relations is 7% to 31% - based on limited studies,' she said. Following Bennett's reasoning, the genetic risk of morbidity (the relative incidence of disease) in uncle/niece relationships is somewhere between 2.8% and 7% above the risk of unrelated couples.". This risk is lower than the risk associated with becoming a mother when at or over the age of 47, something that can be legally done everywhere


To dispell the misconceptions and prejudices associated with incest. Seems many people like to over-express it's negatives and deny any positives.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?


No I do not think it should be legal. In my opinion it is immoral. It is not a question of consenting adults, it is a question of roles in a family. Life is hard enough with random guys hitting on you all the time, it would be hell if your own family wanted that too. Family should be a safe haven not a place where sexual conquest is a factor.:(

No I do not think it should be legal. In my opinion it is immoral. It is not a question of consenting adults, it is a question of roles in a family. Life is hard enough with random guys hitting on you all the time, it would be hell if your own family wanted that too. Family should be a safe haven not a place where sexual conquest is a factor.:(

Legalizing incest for people who want to partake in it will not automatically turn your family incestuous. Unless your relatives are already hitting on you, you don't have anything to worry about. And even if they are, sexual harassment and rape are both still illegal.

Yeah, if they want to deal with 40 women on their periods or 40 wives mad at them and nagging them, and if they want to be that unhappy, why the hell not;)

Because there's an immense social cost to polygamy, especially pertaining to unattached, dissatisfied young males, a restricted supply of women (yes, I know how degrading that sounds, STFU, it's done for effect) and their notorious penchant for violence and chaos.

Here in Italy it is legal, as long as it doesn't become public - if it becomes public, it violates the "common sense of decency" and it entails a fine. If kept private, it's private business.
Who doesn't love blue laws.

Do you think incest between 2 consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?

Yes. I still think it's gross, though.

Along with a variety of sexual practices that I find icky but aren't really hurting anyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongass

Hey! This is NS General! No making sense is allowed! I have to give you an Insane Warning for making too much sense! Now don't let it happen again!

Anywho, consensual sex between two adults that:

1. Is actually consensual and is within an accepted definition of "adult," which, for my purposes, means, "two people who don't have at least the equivalent power difference as a boss fucking his secretary";
2. Does not result in pregnancy (imagine a case where sex for procreation should be discouraged);
3. Does not transmit an STD or cause serious injury or death (I'm going to go out on a limb and say that causing serious injury, death, or dismemberment for sexual pleasure, even if it's consensual, is a bad idea.)

...and just happen to be blood relatives should be allowed. Honestly, the government has better things to do than prosecuting sister-fuckers.

Look at the serious birth defect rate in incestuous relationships. Medically it's unsound.

What if they're the same gender though...?

Couldn't care less. One of the most unimportant and trivial issues a person could possibly get uppity about.

What if they're the same gender though...?

Then we get into the horny male fantasies of lesbian twins, of course...mmm, lesbian twins...

Nah, lesbian triplets are way better.

quads? Quins?

but what is the effect then, as there's no way in heck then they can have kids.

A weird sex question is

"what should you do when a hooker wants to lick your asshole without indicating she intends to charge extra"

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Discuss.

Should people with genetic diseases be prevented from breeding?If deadly, then yes.

*cue inevitable Godwinning*

Legalizing incest for people who want to partake in it will not automatically turn your family incestuous. Unless your relatives are already hitting on you, you don't have anything to worry about. And even if they are, sexual harassment and rape are both still illegal.


No one said it would automatically do anything. What I did say was it should not be an option in the make up of what a family is and why the unit exists.

As someone pointed out, cultures that do not lable it as taboo do not practice it. It seems clear to me that even in the event of no societal rules against it, it is not a natural drive in our makeup to want to have sex with our parents or siblings.

It isn't an issue that warrants worry, it will never happen anyway.

If deadly, then yes.

*cue inevitable Godwinning*

It already happened. You missed it.