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German Treasure Hunters Claim to Have Found Amber Room

Vydro
20-02-2008, 19:50
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,536358,00.html

Treasure hunters in Germany claim they have found hidden gold in an underground cavern that they are almost certain contains the Amber Room treasure, believed by some to have been stashed away by the Nazis in a secret mission in the dying days of World War II.

The discovery of an estimated two tonnes of gold was made at the weekend when electromagnetic pulse measurements located the man-made cavern 20 meters underground near the village of Deutschneudorf on Germany's border with the Czech Republic.

The team, which used heavy digging equipment, hasn't been inside the room but analysis of the electromagnetic test has led it to believe that the cavern contains gold.

"I'm well over 90 percent sure we have found the Amber Room," the mayor of Deutschneudorf, Heinz-Peter Haustein, who led the search, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "The chamber is likely to be part of a labyrinth of storage rooms that the Nazis built here. I knew it was in this area. I just never knew exactly where."

Haustein, 53, is a member of Germany's federal parliament for the opposition liberal Free Democrats and has been searching for the Amber Room in the Ore Mountain region of eastern Germany for a decade.

"A friend told me before he died that the Nazis sent truckloads and trainloads of valuables to this area throughout the spring of 1945," he said. The excavation site is next to a long-abandoned railway station.

He said the coordinates for the chamber had come from fellow treasure hunter Christian Hanisch, who had found them when he was going through the documents of his father, a Luftwaffe signaller, after he died in October.

"There was a note written next to the coordinates that the site contained Nazi party gold in 12-kilo bars. If the gold is there, the Amber Room will be too," said Haustein. He said he had dug in exactly the same spot a year ago but had not conducted any electromagnetic tests that time.

Haustein said it would probably take him until Easter to get into the chamber because it may contain booby traps and has to be secured by explosives experts and engineers.

"This has got too risky for us to do it alone. There could be mines down there." He said the regional authorities had agreed to help with the excavation.

The Amber Room, made of amber panels backed with gold leaf, was created by German and Russian craftsmen in the early 18th century and given by Prussia's King Friedrich Wilhelm I to his Russian ally Czar Peter the Great in 1716.

In October 1941, four months after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, they disassembled it from the Catherine Palace near what was then Leningrad and brought it to East Prussia, to Königsberg -- now the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. Part of it was exhibited in Königsberg Castle during the war. It disappeared in 1945.

There have been hundreds of theories about its fate. Some historians claim it was destroyed in bombing raids on Königsberg, others that it was lost at sea.

Over the years, various searches have failed to uncover it. Haustein said he had received many leads over the years that the Amber Room was hidden in crates along with a trove of other treasures somewhere in the network of copper, tin and silver mines of the Ore Mountains along what is now the German-Czech border.

He has spent tens of thousands of euros of his own money on the hunt.

"If we find the treasure it will probably be declared the property of the Federal Republic of Germany as legal successor to the Third Reich," said Haustein.

"It would be good if the state could hand it over to the Russians without preconditions and if the Russians could then hand over the art they looted from Germany. That would be a sign of national reconciliation. That's my goal."

Haustein he had received hundreds of emails in recent days since the find had become public, including some from Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, where many Nazis fled after the war.

One email he received on Tuesday contained a claim far-fetched enough to be amusing. "It said that the Nazis burnt a doppelgänger of Hitler outside the Berlin bunker and that the body of the real Hitler was buried with the Amber Room," Haustein says. "So who knows what else we may find?"

The chance of the amber room being in there is pretty exciting. I've seen the replica that Germany gave to Russia that is currently in the Catherine palace and its pretty damned impressive. I don't know how Germany's "treasure finder" laws are, but the state should probably compensate the dude for his own money spent in search of this if they end up taking possession of it. Do you guys think that the German government should keep the treasure, give the Russian parts back to the Russians, or should the guy try and keep it himself?
Call to power
20-02-2008, 20:02
the gold should clearly be given to me because I worked really hard today and deserve it :)
Nodinia
20-02-2008, 20:02
Another question is this - what the hell does he do in his spare time for a hobby now?
United Beleriand
20-02-2008, 20:03
Another question is this - what the hell does he do in his spare time for a hobby now?the grail is still out there.
Ashmoria
20-02-2008, 20:05
so the cavern contains the amber room, 2 tons of gold, the corpse of adolf hitler and.....the ark of the covenant?

i cant WAIT til they open this thing!
United Beleriand
20-02-2008, 20:22
... and.....the ark of the covenant?the fucking ethiopians will be bitching about this one :p
Fnordgasm 5
20-02-2008, 20:35
so the cavern contains the amber room, 2 tons of gold, the corpse of adolf hitler and.....the ark of the covenant?

i cant WAIT til they open this thing!

Technically speaking the Adolf's corpse is contained within the Ark which is quite tricky to open..
HSH Prince Eric
20-02-2008, 20:51
Damn, this must have been a pretty big operation, I'm surprised that someone didn't reveal the location before. It will be cool to see what they find in there.

And I hope they don't give anything back without getting stuff in return. The Russians deserve nothing from the Germans after what they did the POW's and Eastern Germany for decades.
UNIverseVERSE
20-02-2008, 20:52
Damn, this must have been a pretty big operation, I'm surprised that someone didn't reveal the location before. It will be cool to see what they find in there.

And I hope they don't give anything back without getting stuff in return. The Russians deserve nothing from the Germans after what they did the POW's and Eastern Germany for decades.

And the Germans deserve nothing from the Russians for much the same reason. Why don't both of them just let old grievances go?
Laerod
21-02-2008, 12:34
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,536358,00.html



The chance of the amber room being in there is pretty exciting. I've seen the replica that Germany gave to Russia that is currently in the Catherine palace and its pretty damned impressive. I don't know how Germany's "treasure finder" laws are, but the state should probably compensate the dude for his own money spent in search of this if they end up taking possession of it. Do you guys think that the German government should keep the treasure, give the Russian parts back to the Russians, or should the guy try and keep it himself?Trade it for the stolen art currently in Russian posession. Russia is as entitled to the Amber Room as Germany is to various objects confiscated by the Soviets and retained in Russia, with the possible exception that the Amber room is worth more than all that put together. Holding the Amber Room ransom would be entirely acceptable.
Laerod
21-02-2008, 12:36
Damn, this must have been a pretty big operation, I'm surprised that someone didn't reveal the location before. It will be cool to see what they find in there.

And I hope they don't give anything back without getting stuff in return. The Russians deserve nothing from the Germans after what they did the POW's and Eastern Germany for decades.
And the Germans deserve nothing from the Russians for much the same reason. Why don't both of them just let old grievances go?
Yes, luckily international law concerning spoils of war isn't influenced by either, especially since UNIverseVERSE's assessment is more correct based on amounts of suffering imposed.
Laerod
21-02-2008, 12:45
But I query something in the OP... While the Russian Federation appears to be accepted as the legitimate successor of the Soviet Union (in so far as it inherited the UN Security Council seat of the USSR), is the Federal Republic of Germany recognised in international law as the legal successor of the Third Reich?Yes.
The Archregimancy
21-02-2008, 12:50
If - and it's surely a big if - if they have found the Amber Room, it's inconceivable that it wouldn't be returned to Russia.

In an ideal world, the Russians would be persuaded to return some of the art the Soviets looted from Germany as well, but the Amber Room's on such a completely different scale... The value - whether artistic, cultural, or financial - is well nigh incalculable.

But I query something in the OP... While the Russian Federation appears to be accepted as the legitimate successor of the Soviet Union (in so far as it inherited the UN Security Council seat of the USSR), is the Federal Republic of Germany recognised in international law as the legal successor of the Third Reich?
Cabra West
21-02-2008, 13:08
There's a replica currently being built in St Petersburg, isn't there?
Might be interesting to see how accurate they are ;)
Kyronea
21-02-2008, 13:20
Wait, wait, wait. What's the Amber Room?
Laerod
21-02-2008, 13:22
Wait, wait, wait. What's the Amber Room?Smart people go to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Room) and look up on it before revealing their ignorance on a subject ;)
Kyronea
21-02-2008, 13:25
Smart people go to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Room) and look up on it before revealing their ignorance on a subject ;)
Some smart people are waiting for something to happen and thus temporarily forget to check things when they should.

But thank you.

...

It's impressive.
Vydro
21-02-2008, 22:59
There's a replica currently being built in St Petersburg, isn't there?
Might be interesting to see how accurate they are ;)

The replica was done a few years ago. I've seen it, and I was amazed.
Regenius
22-02-2008, 00:19
We should go to Germany and excavate the thing, right from under their noses, Italian Job Style. We have a year or so, in that time, we could dig a shaft down somewhere else and go at it horizontally. They'll never know what happened!

Who's with me?
Lunatic Goofballs
22-02-2008, 00:21
Wait, wait, wait. What's the Amber Room?

The single greatest use of tree sap evar! :)
Llewdor
22-02-2008, 00:54
We should go to Germany and excavate the thing, right from under their noses, Italian Job Style. We have a year or so, in that time, we could dig a shaft down somewhere else and go at it horizontally. They'll never know what happened!

Who's with me?
I'm in.
Tmutarakhan
22-02-2008, 01:04
Can't be true, it's in Dem Spiegel, which is just a petty little magazine that nobody has ever even heard of.