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This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16), i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
I find ironic that Canada has one of the
lowest ages of consent in the Western World,
and at the same time,probably one of the most stringent
sets of laws regarding child porn in the world.
On the face of it the police are making more arrests then ever,
but a research paper released at the same at a major child porn
bust alleges that there were kiddie porn images
that were linked to 200,000 separate computer addresses
in Canada alone!
I wonder if there has being any research done
on the correlation between age of consent
and child porn.

i think that 14 is a reasonable age of consent.

i might support a law that makes it illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor 14-17 if the age gap is more than <insert reasonable number of years here>

This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16), i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

Ithink...Harper raised the Canadian age of consent to 16, but I'm not sure.
16 is too high in my opinion. I think the former 14, or 12 if the age difference is less than 2 years is reasonable.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

I don't know, 17 seems good to me.


Also heres another site with age of consent info (http://www.ageofconsent.com/).

16, with a Romeo and Juliet clause.

16, with a Romeo and Juliet clause.

Sounds good to me.

16, with a Romeo and Juliet clause.

16 sounds good, but what's a Romeo and Juliet Clause?

Rolling squid;13469273']16 sounds good, but what's a Romeo and Juliet Clause?
My guess is that it would exempt a couple of the same age from statutory rape on each other if mutual consent can be established.

16, with a Romeo and Juliet clause.


I agree.

My guess is that it would exempt a couple of the same age from statutory rape on each other if mutual consent can be established.

ah, sounds good.

This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16), i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

17 seems to be the best. Below that is too young.

personal opinion is that 17 is about right anything below that is too young.

17 seems to be the best. Below that is too young.

the age of consent isnt about when its OK for a person to have sex. its about when its illegal to have sex with a young person.

a 16 year old knows what s/he is consenting to when s/he agrees to have sex. so do 14 and 15 year olds. it is very common for people of this age to be having sex with their boyfriend/girlfriend. it seems to me to be wrong to suggest that one of them needs to go to jail for it.

There should be no age of consent. Sure, it'll be hard on some kids, but it'll teach them a valuable lesson: Be careful in life or you're gonna get screwed. :D

There should be no age of consent. Sure, it'll be hard on some kids, but it'll teach them a valuable lesson: Be careful in life or you're gonna get screwed. :D

*slaps for pun*

That's just sick.

And none of your business, unless someone is being harmed or abused.

Do you really think the odd twelve year old who has sex with someone of nearly the same age should automatically be treated as having committed statutory rape?

I find it strange that some countries have laws which will prosecute you for breaking their laws in another country where the law allows, for example it is illegal to have sex with someone under the age of 18 in your country you are travelling in another country where the age of consent is 16 if you have sex with a 16 year old you will be arrested and charged with underage sex

personal opinion is that 17 is about right anything below that is too young.

Because kids below 17 dont have sex right?

Ithink...Harper raised the Canadian age of consent to 16, but I'm not sure.
16 is too high in my opinion. I think the former 14, or 12 if the age difference is less than 2 years is reasonable.

Excuse me if I'm getting this wrong.. but are you sick in the head?! 12 years old?

That's just sick.

The biggest problem with the age of consent is the 30-40 year old guys that try to have sex with 14 year olds girls. Not 17 and 14 years olds and so on.

This is the only reason I see the need for an age of consent in the first place, otherwise IMO its just religious people making their "Thou shalt not have sex" morals into laws for the rest of us.

14 for consent with others within 3 years of your own age until you get to 18.

The biggest problem with the age of consent is the 30-40 year old guys that try to have sex with 14 year olds girls. Not 17 and 14 years olds and so on.

Excuse me if I'm getting this wrong.. but are you sick in the head?! 12 years old?

That's just sick.

I think you misread his post he said 12 if the age of difference is less than two years so in other words a 13 year old or 14 year old can have sex with their 12 year old gf/bf

Or because you are assumed to be at the level of maturity with those around your own age, which is why some places have those laws that you have to be within a certain age. It's designed to stop young girls from being preyed upon by much older men.

Once you get to 18, that's a universal. Everything should be at 18.


Man, we're agreeing lately. Meaning, youre making sense lately. Keep it up. ;)

It should be abolished.

14 for consent with others within 3 years of your own age until you get to 18.

The biggest problem with the age of consent is the 30-40 year old guys that try to have sex with 14 year olds girls. Not 17 and 14 years olds and so on.


I do not understand this. Why should someone be allowed to consent to sex with people their own age but not with people above their age? You're either mature enough to handle sex or you aren't. So that makes no sense to me.

I do not understand this. Why should someone be allowed to consent to sex with people their own age but not with people above their age? You're either mature enough to handle sex or you aren't. So that makes no sense to me.

With a significant age difference (like a 30 year old and a 13 year old) there is a greater likely hood of the consent being coerced by the older partner.

Or because you are assumed to be at the level of maturity with those around your own age, which is why some places have those laws that you have to be within a certain age. It's designed to stop young girls from being preyed upon by much older men.

Once you get to 18, that's a universal. Everything should be at 18.

Why should someone be allowed to consent to sex with people their own age but not with people above their age?

A number of reasons.

Most importantly, the relations among the very young are qualitatively different from the relations between the very young and those substantially older than them. I don't, in principle, have any objection to the very young having sex with each other. But there's a problem if older people are predating upon them--are getting them to do what they would not otherwise do at an age where they are too young to effectively resist.

Or because you are assumed to be at the level of maturity with those around your own age, which is why some places have those laws that you have to be within a certain age. It's designed to stop young girls from being preyed upon by much older men.

Once you get to 18, that's a universal. Everything should be at 18.

exactly

the law isnt there to prevent sex. its to prevent the exploitation of children

If a young girl has sex with an adult male, she's a molestation victim. If a young boy has sex with an adult female, he's one lucky bastard. And don't pretend that standard isn't still there in full force.

The South Park on that is great.

"Ok, whats his name?"

"Actually, the teacher is a her."

"Is she hot?"

"I guess...?"

"Niccce."

You can abolish age of consent laws and still have laws that prosecute coersion or manipulation by adults on young children.

My idea is this: Once your body experiences the hormonal growth that triggers the desire for sex, it is your right to have sex because nature has dictated that you want it. I don't think very young children have a true desire to have sex, because they have not gone through the changes in their bodies that makes them want to try it. So you can abolish age of consent laws and still have it illegal to manipulate or force young children into sexual acts.

We also need to abolish the gender double standard, which is as prelevant as ever if you watch the news and have seen the recent teacher sex scandals.

If a young girl has sex with an adult male, she's a molestation victim. If a young boy has sex with an adult female, he's one lucky bastard. And don't pretend that standard isn't still there in full force.

..

Sure it's a double standard legally. But sex doesn't affect males and females the same way, especially at that age. I'm sure you could find an exception, but it's simply not the same thing.

I had sex with older women when I was below the age of consent. I wasn't traumatized and I certainly didn't suffer from depression and a host of other problems that happened to every single girl I know that hooked up with older guys around that age.

People want to talk about double standards, but it's just not the same thing.

Now the laws should be the same and are, but emotionally I think it's very different.

Sure it's a double standard legally. But that sex doesn't affect males and females, especially at that age in the same way. I'm sure you could find an exception, but it's simply not the same thing.

I had sex with older women when I was below the age of consent. I wasn't traumatized and I certainly didn't suffer from depression and a host of other problems that happened to every single girl I know that hooked up with older guys around that age.

People want to talk about double standards, but it's just not the same thing.

Now the laws should be the same, but emotionally I think it's very different.

It doesnt matter what the emotional out come is the law should be applied to all genders, if a 26 year old female (I will say teacher but it is not always so) has sex with a 13 year old then she should be punished the same way if the roles were reversed.

People seem to think that teenage girls are all innocent and sweet and truthful the fact of the matter is is that they are not and this conception that they will be suffering from sexual encounters with an older man is simply not true and here I am referring to the fact that she wanted to do it and was aware of what it is about (you will find that there are many teenage girls who may already have had sex before these encounters with someone older and so will not be traumatised) of course the age does have some bearing you would find that a 16-17 year old girl would know about it and in some cases would have lead him on and encouraged him (not an excuse as the law prohibits it and so it is up to him to stop) but maybe a 12 year old girl this wont apply and may suffer some form of trauma, same as a 13 year old boy.

Gender should not matter if the child is underage the child is underage and the older person (providing that they too are not underage) should face the full brunt of the law regardless of their gender

Sure it's a double standard legally. But that sex doesn't affect males and females, especially at that age in the same way. I'm sure you could find an exception, but it's simply not the same thing.

I had sex with older women when I was below the age of consent. I wasn't traumatized and I certainly didn't suffer from depression and a host of other problems that happened to every single girl I know that hooked up with older guys around that age.

People want to talk about double standards, but it's just not the same thing.

Now the laws should be the same, but emotionally I think it's very different.

People regretting sex and/or thinking virginity has any value is the fault of social and cultural taboos and religions. Of course some people genuinely regret it without those reasons, but still, it's not something a law or lack thereof will fix or change.

And it's the only reason that protects a lot of younger girls in particular from older guys.

Really?

I don't know; it seems to me that as a society we would be much better off trying to deal with our very substantial gender issues than trying to stop this problem with age of consent laws.

Sure, it will happen. That's a given.

The point is that it's a crime to have sex with someone under the age of consent. And it's the only reason that protects a lot of younger girls in particular from older guys. Murder, rape and robbery are going to happen, the same as sexual exploitation, the only thing we can do it make it a crime and punish the people that do it.

In Britain (my country) the age is 16 although the politicians have thought about bringing it down to 13 (probably to reduce the underage sex crimes, f*cking morons).

In Britain (my country) the age is 16 although the politicions have thought about reducing it to 13 (obviously to reduce under age sex crimes, F--king morons!)

It doesnt matter what the emotional out come is the law should be applied to all genders, if a 26 year old female (I will say teacher but it is not always so) has sex with a 13 year old then she should be punished the same way if the roles were reversed.

People seem to think that teenage girls are all innocent and sweet and truthful the fact of the matter is is that they are not and this conception that they will be suffering from sexual encounters with an older man is simply not true and here I am referring to the fact that she wanted to do it and was aware of what it is about (you will find that there are many teenage girls who may already have had sex before these encounters with someone older and so will not be traumatised) of course the age does have some bearing you would find that a 16-17 year old girl would know about it and in some cases would have lead him on and encouraged him (not an excuse as the law prohibits it and so it is up to him to stop) but maybe a 12 year old girl this wont apply and may suffer some form of trauma, same as a 13 year old boy.

Gender should not matter if the child is underage the child is underage and the older person (providing that they too are not underage) should face the full brunt of the law regardless of their gender

Yes, the laws have to be applied the same. I'm saying that emotionally, I don't think that boys suffer the same kind of problems that girls do when they have sex with older partners.

16, with a Romeo and Juliet clause.

a what now?
what in the sweet name of all retarded topics sexual is a romeo and juliet clause?
anyone with info can and should telegram my nation, the rogue nation of anarchy works.

Really?

I don't know; it seems to me that as a society we would be much better off trying to deal with our very substantial gender issues than trying to stop this problem with age of consent laws.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that the only reason a lot of girls that are under 18 are not targeted by older guys is because they are afraid of being arrested for statutory rape.

Rolling squid;13469273']16 sounds good, but what's a Romeo and Juliet Clause?

That is where all the participants have to kill each other with swords afterwards. :p

That is where all the participants have to kill each other with swords afterwards. :p

and/or poison ;)

Well, if there is grass on the field, PLAY BALL!

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
I find ironic that Canada has one of the
lowest ages of consent in the Western World,
and at the same time,probably one of the most stringent
sets of laws regarding child porn in the world.
On the face of it the police are making more arrests then ever,
but a research paper released at the same at a major child porn
bust alleges that there were kiddie porn images
that were linked to 200,000 separate computer addresses
in Canada alone!
I wonder if there has being any research done
on the correlation between age of consent
and child porn.
So that's what their criminals do instead of shoot people.

Yes, the laws have to be applied the same. I'm saying that emotionally, I don't think that boys suffer the same kind of problems that girls do when they have sex with older partners.

Are you saying that a 12 year old boy would not suffer emotionally if he had sex with an older female. And are you saying a 16 year old girl will. In regards to the 16 year old I don't think that they will, sure they may pretend to as it will get them sympathy but really the amount of girls having sex or have had sex at the age of 16 is large and most of the them would not suffer from trauma.

Nevertheless regardless of if they suffer emotionally or physically should not be taken into account the broke the law they should be punished, which I know that you also agree that they must be punished

This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16), i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

Hmmm, this is such a tricky topic.

In Qld, Australia, it's 16. However, I was *ready* before that age. But, many people aren't *ready* until they're 18. The biggest problem, I think, is that the law technically means it's rape if one of the two people engaged in intercourse is 15 and the other one is 16. Honestly, if they're having consentual sex in a loving relationship, I don't see anything wrong. But, if a 21 year old was having sex with that 15 year old, I think the age of consent should apply.

Are you saying that a 12 year old boy would not suffer emotionally if he had sex with an older female. And are you saying a 16 year old girl will. In regards to the 16 year old I don't think that they will, sure they may pretend to as it will get them sympathy but really the amount of girls having sex or have had sex at the age of 16 is large and most of the them would not suffer from trauma.

Nevertheless regardless of if they suffer emotionally or physically should not be taken into account the broke the law they should be punished, which I know that you also agree that they must be punished

A 12 year old boy would probably experience a different set of emotions, but he probably would suffer emotionally.

A 12 year old boy would probably experience a different set of emotions, but he probably would suffer emotionally.

Some have been known to suffer from an overdose of mad-awesome-cool.:cool:
I am not being entirely serious.

When I said 'some' I meant 'I'.

Well, if there is grass on the field, PLAY BALL!
Hell yes, and by "PLAY BALL", what is really meant is "COPULATE AND/OR SODOMIZE".

Rolling squid;13469273']16 sounds good, but what's a Romeo and Juliet Clause?My guess is that it would exempt a couple of the same age from statutory rape on each other if mutual consent can be established.is not that simple, to be covered by this clause he has to be born on before september 13 or after the 1st of April... she has to be born on a monday or friday before midnight and his name has to be Romeo, her name has to be Julia, julieta or Juliana,

In Qld, Australia, it's 16. However, I was *ready* before that age. But, many people aren't *ready* until they're 18. The biggest problem, I think, is that the law technically means it's rape if one of the two people engaged in intercourse is 15 and the other one is 16. Honestly, if they're having consentual sex in a loving relationship, I don't see anything wrong. But, if a 21 year old was having sex with that 15 year old, I think the age of consent should apply.I thing the Qld law should apply if the sum of thier ages is more than 36 but less than 24, unless the the younger of the 2 is 21 or the oldest is 16, unless the GPS location is below the Equator or east of the Greenwich meridian, except on the Cancer tropic

We also need to abolish the gender double standard, which is as prelevant as ever if you watch the news and have seen the recent teacher sex scandals.

If a young girl has sex with an adult male, she's a molestation victim. If a young boy has sex with an adult female, he's one lucky bastard. And don't pretend that standard isn't still there in full force.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/19/national/main3849959.shtml?source=mostpop_story

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/25/1153816182599.html

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/217345/

http://www.insideprison.com/all-reported-cases-of-female-sex-offenders.asp

You were saying?

That is where all the participants have to kill each other with swords afterwards. :p

and/or poison ;)

Though if it's on the West Side of town, one of the lovers can live....

I thing the Qld law should apply if the sum of thier ages is more than 36 but less than 24, unless the the younger of the 2 is 21 or the oldest is 16, unless the GPS location is below the Equator or east of the Greenwich meridian, except on the Cancer tropic


:rolleyes:

Though if it's on the West Side of town, one of the lovers can live....

We all know she strangles herself on her bridal veil shortly afterwards... didn't she? She did, right?


Hang on, she didn't? Wow, suddenly its a whole lot happier...

14 for consent with others within 3 years of your own age until you get to 18.

The biggest problem with the age of consent is the 30-40 year old guys that try to have sex with 14 year olds girls. Not 17 and 14 years olds and so on.

I have to agree with you there, but it's not just guys wanting to have sex with girls. It's older people (sexual predators, if you will) that wish to have sex with younger people (children, I suppose) that's the problem.

*snip*

We also need to abolish the gender double standard, which is as prelevant as ever if you watch the news and have seen the recent teacher sex scandals.

If a young girl has sex with an adult male, she's a molestation victim. If a young boy has sex with an adult female, he's one lucky bastard. And don't pretend that standard isn't still there in full force.

There certainly is a standard, and it's wrong. wrong. wrong.

What really gets me is that men aren't encouraged to speak up about their experiences. There are so many ads on Australian television that are about not beating/raping women, and encourage women to speak up. Where are the ads for men? Boys get abused too, and they deserve the same rights as women.

Yes, the laws have to be applied the same. I'm saying that emotionally, I don't think that boys suffer the same kind of problems that girls do when they have sex with older partners.

It might not be the same, but they can and do suffer.

a what now?
what in the sweet name of all retarded topics sexual is a romeo and juliet clause?
anyone with info can and should telegram my nation, the rogue nation of anarchy works.

Perhaps you should read the first page.

Are you saying that a 12 year old boy would not suffer emotionally if he had sex with an older female. And are you saying a 16 year old girl will. In regards to the 16 year old I don't think that they will, sure they may pretend to as it will get them sympathy but really the amount of girls having sex or have had sex at the age of 16 is large and most of the them would not suffer from trauma.

*snip*


Uh, you think 16 year old girls "pretend" they've experienced trauma to get sympathy? Most girls who've experienced rape or abuse tell very few people -if anyone- about it.

I do find it pretty irritating to see that homosexual relations are legal only at a later date...

I'm pretty sure it was just forgotten since the time it was written, though, I don't think anybody actually respects it or gets prosecuted for it...if they did, they could probably contest the constitutionality of such a law.

Anyhow, nobody worries about the age of consent, so changing the law probably won't do anything, except maybe cost money.

We all know she strangles herself on her bridal veil shortly afterwards... didn't she? She did, right?

This was no boating accident.

I do not see why there has to be only one age of consent. The Netherlands for instance has 3: 1 for people of similar age* (12), 1 for partners that differ somewhat more (16) and 1 for prostitution (18). Though I believe that the 12 is somewhat low, I do think it fair to not sue two 12 year olds eperimenting with eachother.

* And the rare foreign marriage of adult with 12 year old. I do somewhat dislike that the Netherlands recognises those marriages.

i think that 14 is a reasonable age of consent.

i might support a law that makes it illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor 14-17 if the age gap is more than <insert reasonable number of years here>

And just what would be the purpose of making ban on the basis of age? Age shouldn't matter. What the law should be is that you can't bang anyone you aren't married to. And the law should also be that you can't shack up with anyone who can't make their own rational decisions about how they are going to live their lives.

Of course, in the US that would eliminate all women below 17 because US women under 17 tend to be irrational. And it would eliminate some women and men in their 20's and 30's. Whereby, saving the gene pool.

My guess is that it would exempt a couple of the same age from statutory rape on each other if mutual consent can be established.

who was that DA who threatened to prosecute an entire high school on kiddie porn charges for having pics of themselves on their cell phones?

the age of consent isnt about when its OK for a person to have sex. its about when its illegal to have sex with a young person.

a 16 year old knows what s/he is consenting to when s/he agrees to have sex. so do 14 and 15 year olds. it is very common for people of this age to be having sex with their boyfriend/girlfriend. it seems to me to be wrong to suggest that one of them needs to go to jail for it.

That's a dumb thing to base AOC on. AOC should be only enough to protect people who can't rationally consent. It shouldnt be to prevent people from doing it if one person is younger than the other.
The ability of rational consent should be the only requirement.

I find it strange that some countries have laws which will prosecute you for breaking their laws in another country where the law allows, for example it is illegal to have sex with someone under the age of 18 in your country you are travelling in another country where the age of consent is 16 if you have sex with a 16 year old you will be arrested and charged with underage sex

You mean like California which claims that you are bound by its laws even if you are not in California? lol

Excuse me if I'm getting this wrong.. but are you sick in the head?! 12 years old?

That's just sick.

About 1 to 2% of 12 years olds are actually physically ready for sex, but the majority of them are not ready to be rational or responsible about it. To 12 year olds, it's doesn't mean anything. It's just a game. Your nothing but a point to add to their score.

I have to agree with you there, but it's not just guys wanting to have sex with girls. It's older people (sexual predators, if you will) that wish to have sex with younger people (children, I suppose) that's the problem.



There certainly is a standard, and it's wrong. wrong. wrong.

What really gets me is that men aren't encouraged to speak up about their experiences. There are so many ads on Australian television that are about not beating/raping women, and encourage women to speak up. Where are the ads for men? Boys get abused too, and they deserve the same rights as women.



It might not be the same, but they can and do suffer.



Perhaps you should read the first page.




Uh, you think 16 year old girls "pretend" they've experienced trauma to get sympathy? Most girls who've experienced rape or abuse tell very few people -if anyone- about it.

1. Quite true. After all we don't want 40 year old men having sex with 18 year old girls.

2. Every 16 year old girl who has had sex was the victim of a rape.

2. Every 16 year old girl who has had sex was the victim of a rape.When a sixteen year old girl masturbates, are they getting raped by a dildo?

1. Quite true. After all we don't want 40 year old men having sex with 18 year old girls.

2. Every 16 year old girl who has had sex was the victim of a rape.

Well, I certainly don't think 40 year old men should be having sex with 16/15/14/13 year old girls. I think by the time you're 18 you're able to decide that for yourself.

2. No, not every 16 year old girl. 16 is legal in Australia and many other places. Also, if you were paying attention, my comment was in reply to this:

Are you saying that a 12 year old boy would not suffer emotionally if he had sex with an older female. And are you saying a 16 year old girl will. In regards to the 16 year old I don't think that they will, sure they may pretend to as it will get them sympathy but really the amount of girls having sex or have had sex at the age of 16 is large and most of the them would not suffer from trauma.

My reply was:

Uh, you think 16 year old girls "pretend" they've experienced trauma to get sympathy? Most girls who've experienced rape or abuse tell very few people -if anyone- about it.

So, perhaps you can reply with a more fitting comment, or not reply at all.

I do not see why there has to be only one age of consent. The Netherlands for instance has 3: 1 for people of similar age* (12), 1 for partners that differ somewhat more (16) and 1 for prostitution (18). Though I believe that the 12 is somewhat low, I do think it fair to not sue two 12 year olds eperimenting with eachother.

* And the rare foreign marriage of adult with 12 year old. I do somewhat dislike that the Netherlands recognises those marriages.

I truly believe 12 is simply too young. A 12 year old, to me, is still a young "child". Most twelve-year-olds are barely through puberty.

Excuse me if I'm getting this wrong.. but are you sick in the head?! 12 years old?

That's just sick.

Take it up with puberty.

This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16), i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

I'm currently in two minds about whether there should even be an age of consent or not...

I'm currently in two minds about whether there should even be an age of consent or not...

All kidding aside, despite the over-zealousness with which nations have repeatedly ramped up the age of consent until it's lost all meaning, there probably does need to be something to protect children too young to understand sex. Although it's likely traumatizing and disturbing to kids more because of the way society has treated sexuality for the last few centuries, it still can screw them up pretty bad.

I should say I don't really like kids, and I'm a moral relativist, so this issue holds absolutely no weight to me. I'm forced into neutrality, at any rate; I don't have any real moral compulsion to speak out in favor of ridiculously high age of consent laws, but if I speak out against them I'm going to be giving fuel to those "gays want to legalize pedophilia" weirdos.

All kidding aside, despite the over-zealousness with which nations have repeatedly ramped up the age of consent until it's lost all meaning, there probably does need to be something to protect children too young to understand sex. Although it's likely traumatizing and disturbing to kids more because of the way society has treated sexuality for the last few centuries, it still can screw them up pretty bad.

I should say I don't really like kids, and I'm a moral relativist, so this issue holds absolutely no weight to me. I'm forced into neutrality, at any rate; I don't have any real moral compulsion to speak out in favor of ridiculously high age of consent laws, but if I speak out against them I'm going to be giving fuel to those "gays want to legalize pedophilia" weirdos.

Well, what I'm having difficulty with is that sexual development is something very gradual. Children will discover their own bodies at different ages, and it will not take all of them the same time.
Personally, I feel more harm is done by outlawing taking the discoveries further (while providing all the education and information needed to play it safe at a really early age), we're traumatising children by presenting sex as something forbidden, not talked about, illegal even.

Then again, I might just be too much of an idealist in that respect. But I do sincerely believe that our society would benefit greatly from stepping away from "age of consent" laws, as well as this hysterical fear of public nudity and anything to do with sex. (Don't ever let children see it, it'll traumatise them!!)

We're not protecting children by pretending sex doesn't exist and that people never have sex or think about sex.

Well, what I'm having difficulty with is that sexual development is something very gradual. Children will discover their own bodies at different ages, and it will not take all of them the same time.
Personally, I feel more harm is done by outlawing taking the discoveries further (while providing all the education and information needed to play it safe at a really early age), we're traumatising children by presenting sex as something forbidden, not talked about, illegal even.

Then again, I might just be too much of an idealist in that respect. But I do sincerely believe that our society would benefit greatly from stepping away from "age of consent" laws, as well as this hysterical fear of public nudity and anything to do with sex. (Don't ever let children see it, it'll traumatise them!!)

We're not protecting children by pretending sex doesn't exist and that people never have sex or think about sex.

How about a high-limit baseline age of consent, with an optional class and test that someone can take when they're younger to determine if they understand and are ready for the consequences of a sexual relationship?

How about a high-limit baseline age of consent, with an optional class and test that someone can take when they're younger to determine if they understand and are ready for the consequences of a sexual relationship?

A bit like a driver's license? Hmm... it does make sense, in a way.
Personally, I'd rather see classes of sex ed in Kindergarden and pre-school, continuing on through the entire time at school. Graded, of course.
The grades could be used to determine how informed and mature a kid is...

a what now?
what in the sweet name of all retarded topics sexual is a romeo and juliet clause?
anyone with info can and should telegram my nation, the rogue nation of anarchy works.

I'll rather just post it here, OK? ;)

Rolling squid;13469273']16 sounds good, but what's a Romeo and Juliet Clause?
It's a close-in-age exemption, meaning for example that a 14-year-old and a 21-year-old getting jiggy with it might be a criminal offense on the latter's part, while sexual intercourse between for example two 14-year-olds would not constitute a criminal offense by either party. And a 15-year-old and a 16-year-old getting together would not be a crime either since they were close in age and development. A 14-year-old and a 16-year-old might be criminal - again, all dependent on the similarities in age and development.

Or to put it in another way: Did the older abuse the latter?

That's what I mean, if you see what I'm saying. ;)

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime. Actually, I'm pretty sure that's not universally applicable.

I wouldn't use Britain's laws as an example, not after the whole 11-year-old mother thing...

I think the main reason we need these laws is to help preserve people from danger. Look into the history of these laws in Britain. Without the laws very bad things are legal.

I knewe about it at 11. My form (class) had movie(nudge nudge wink wink!) acess at 11. I live in Britain.

How about a high-limit baseline age of consent, with an optional class and test that someone can take when they're younger to determine if they understand and are ready for the consequences of a sexual relationship?A bit like a driver's license? Hmm... it does make sense, in a way.
Personally, I'd rather see classes of sex ed in Kindergarden and pre-school, continuing on through the entire time at school. Graded, of course.
The grades could be used to determine how informed and mature a kid is...yes It does makes sense.

<SNIP>

2. Every 16 year old girl who has had sex was the victim of a rape.

Fail

This is something i Drummed up for a research project and that is age of consent laws.

for those of you who do not know the age of consent is the legal age at which an individual may consent to a sexual relationship with anyone above that age, and having a sexual relationship with anyone below that age is a crime.

I do know, but thank you anyway.


here in Canada the legal age of consent is 14, in most of the United States it's 17(though in some places it's 16),

Strange, I though it was eighteen in most places.

i don't Know what the age is in Britain.

Twelve, I believe.

So my question to you guys is what do you think the legal age of consent should be?

I do not really care, but I suppose it could be legal so long as the person has developed sexual urges. Yet I still think some kind of "protection" should be mandatory until age 18.

Twelve, I believe.
16 for England, Scotland and Wales, and 17 for Northern Ireland. Though I believe this will be lowered to 16 in April.

16 for England, Scotland and Wales, and 17 for Northern Ireland. Though I believe this will be lowered to 16 in April.

18 in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt .. i think

I do not understand this. Why should someone be allowed to consent to sex with people their own age but not with people above their age? You're either mature enough to handle sex or you aren't. So that makes no sense to me.

There are many people well above 18... hell, probably many people well above 30 who are not mature enough to handle sex.

Do you honestly think most 12 year olds are mature enough to handle sex? I mean, hitting puberty doesn't automatically make someone mature

18 in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt .. i think

Iraq, Eqypt = 18
Saudi Arania = must be married

With a significant age difference (like a 30 year old and a 13 year old) there is a greater likely hood of the consent being coerced by the older partner.

Where is Murayvetts??!!

With a significant age difference (like a 30 year old and a 13 year old) there is a greater likely hood of the consent being coerced by the older partner.

Legislating possibilities? I don't really care for this concept, sorry.

Iraq, Eqypt = 18
Saudi Arania = must be marriedSo in some Muslim countries + the state of Virginia, you must be 18 before you are legal to have sex :confused:

Fail

I'm sorry but if you are 16, you are nothing but a child and you have no ability to think for yourself, no ability to be rational, and no ability to make decisions for yourself. 16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex.
Anyone who talks to them about sex, including parents and teachers, should be dragged off to prison on pedophilia charges.

16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex. 18 year olds in Virginia :D
and in some Muslim countries...

I'm sorry but if you are 16, you are nothing but a child and you have no ability to think for yourself, no ability to be rational, and no ability to make decisions for yourself. 16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex.
Anyone who talks to them about sex, including parents and teachers, should be dragged off to prison on pedophilia charges.

So you seriously believe 16 year olds do not have sex with eachother ?
And that 16 year olds can not think for themself on any issue ?

Aside from that, your position is the average child molesters dream. Lets not inform kids about sex, let us not tell them of the risks nor of the pleasures - so thay have no idea whatsoever what is normal and what not.

A country filled with kids like that is heaven for a childmolester. Which makes me wonder why you are so in favour of it.

I'm sorry but if you are 16, you are nothing but a child and you have no ability to think for yourself, no ability to be rational, and no ability to make decisions for yourself. 16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex.
Anyone who talks to them about sex, including parents and teachers, should be dragged off to prison on pedophilia charges.

wow...

My whole school's off then.


YAY!!!!!

I was the appointed filth buyer in Year 7 (age 11)

I'm sorry but if you are 16, you are nothing but a child and you have no ability to think for yourself, no ability to be rational, and no ability to make decisions for yourself. 16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex.
Anyone who talks to them about sex, including parents and teachers, should be dragged off to prison on pedophilia charges.Hah hah; now this is comedy, whether intentional or not.

So you seriously believe 16 year olds do not have sex ....some have it.. some dont..They have it with younger and/or older partners..
His point is that in Virginia (and in some Muslim Countries) its not legal even if you are 17.

some have it.. some dont..

They have sex with younger and older partners.. His point is that in Virginia (and in some Muslim Countries) its not legal even if you are 17.

His post does not state that. It says that even mentioning sex in front of a 16 year old should result in jailtime.

The Law is an ass...then fuck it :D

His post does not state that. but thats what he means...
He is mocking the logic behind the Virginia (and Muslim) Laws that want to protect us from -the ebil- sex.

Crimeif having sex before I am 17 made me a criminal in Virginia and Iraq.. then I should be on the most-wanted-list in those places.

Because I had insane quantities..

The Law is an ass...

Sorry for the pun.

Legaise it to be up to the individual. Their choice when it is for them.

then fuck it :D

Then dump it for it's hotter sister, Crime

I'm sorry but if you are 16, you are nothing but a child and you have no ability to think for yourself, no ability to be rational, and no ability to make decisions for yourself.

LOL

16 year olds have to be told what to do and how to live and they need to be protected from the evils of society, such as sex.
Anyone who talks to them about sex, including parents and teachers, should be dragged off to prison on pedophilia charges.

I really hope you're not a parent, because if you are, your child/ren if/when you have them will be completely and totally unprepared for life.

I think that 13 is a good age, but that is too young. Give 'em a year of being a teen before letting them do stuff behind closed doors, so 14 is probably it.

So you seriously believe 16 year olds do not have sex with eachother ?
And that 16 year olds can not think for themself on any issue ?

Aside from that, your position is the average child molesters dream. Lets not inform kids about sex, let us not tell them of the risks nor of the pleasures - so thay have no idea whatsoever what is normal and what not.

A country filled with kids like that is heaven for a childmolester. Which makes me wonder why you are so in favour of it.

No. Cause then every adult who talks to a 16 year old would go to jail for being a child molestor. What more proof is needed than that they are talking to someone under 18.

No. Cause then every adult who talks to a 16 year old would go to jail for being a child molestor. What more proof is needed than that they are talking to someone under 18.

I could be a dick, but I'll just assume you left out the 'about sex' after that 'talks to'.


But yeah, your idea is basically nothing but 100% fail. Sexual predators would be free to do their thing, because their victims would be unable to tell anyone about it.

I think it should be 10.....Just kidding :D 16 sounds good

No. Cause then every adult who talks to a 16 year old would go to jail for being a child molestor. What more proof is needed than that they are talking to someone under 18.

A word of advice... we already have a satire master here, his name is Jhahannam. I suggest you get some tips from him on how to be blatantly offensive in a funny way. You're going to upset a lot of people if you keep this up.