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A Global Power Shift is in the Making

Errinundera
20-02-2008, 08:37
This article was published in The Age today. It probably comes from The Guardian.

Martin Jacques
February 20, 2008

A global power shift is in the making, as the growing economic crisis takes hold, writes Martin Jacques.

THE world is holding its breath, still trying to grasp the potential enormity of what is unfolding. Economic downturns and stock-market crashes are hardly unfamiliar, of course, even if a decade or so seems a long time ago for Western consumers habituated to rising house prices and non-stop shopping. But this crisis threatens to be rather different, a Big One.

Already it has forced the British Government to engage in what has been a heresy for almost three decades: nationalisation. Major crises — such as the Northern Rock debacle in Britain — are not matters of punctuation or pauses for reflection, but defining historical moments, marking the end of one era and the beginning of another.

The 1970s was a classic case, as huge oil price hikes fed an inflationary spiral that brought both the long boom and the postwar welfare consensus to an end, and led to the rise of neo-liberalism and deregulation.

This crisis, however, threatens to be even more fundamental. While the 1973 gyrations were the result of a temporary shift of power from the industrial world to the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries, the underlying cause this time is permanent and far-reaching — a fundamental shift in power from the developed world to the developing world — above all China and India. There has not been anything like this since the inception of the West as an industrial powerhouse in the 19th century.

The economic and political consequences will be of such a scale that they are impossible to comprehend. The present crisis has been long in the making, even if it has been obscured by the US spending more than a decade in denial, as illustrated by the absurd neo-conservative hubris after September 11 that envisaged America as a latter-day Rome and failed to tackle the growing imbalances between the US as a huge over-spender and East Asia as a massive saver.

There are two conclusions that we can draw from the economic crisis that began last August and might, in some form or another, last for a prolonged period. First, it heralds a major reduction in the global economic and political influence of the US, rather in the manner that the 1931 crisis announced the final and belated end of Britain's global economic supremacy.

Fundamental systemic crises are often associated with the decline of the dominant imperial power and its increasing inability to sustain the system over which it had previously presided. The profound instability of the interwar period owed much to Britain's inability to maintain its role.

The present crisis, at root, is a consequence of the economic decline of the US and its increasing weakness at the apex of an international financial system of which it was the architect and chief beneficiary. This is most clearly expressed in the US' chronic balance-of-payments deficit and its long-term dependence on East Asian inward capital flows to shore up the value of the dollar.

Perhaps the present turmoil will ease, but in truth the old arrangements are now coming apart and, in anything other than the short term, seem patently unsustainable. We are entering a period of protracted instability as the old order breaks down, the US seeks to resist change and the world embarks on a conflictual and painful passage towards a new global economic order.

The second conclusion is that the political consequences of this shift will be enormous. The interwar crisis led to the Second World War and the birth of Keynesianism. The less significant OPEC crisis of the 1970s destroyed the social-democratic consensus and led to the triumph of neo-liberalism.

And this time? One thing seems certain: the neo-liberal orthodoxy will be undermined. This could come in many different forms. It could lead to a rise of protectionism in the US and Europe against developing countries such as China, or new regulations designed to prevent sovereign wealth funds from taking over what are deemed key strategic assets.

When the free market and deregulation are the means by which the Western world extends its global economic power over the developing world, then they are deemed highly virtuous. But it is a different matter when they become the instrument by which developing countries can extend their influence over Western economies.

Similarly, during a recession, the state is likely to be called into active service on a far more regular basis as Western governments seek to deal with the mushrooming effects of market failure.

It is not an accident that developing countries — virtually the whole of East Asia, for example — view the role of the state in a far more interventionist way than does the Anglo-Saxon world. Laissez-faire and free markets are the favoured means of the powerful and privileged. The decline of the Western world could well usher in a significant change in this mind-set.

The political terrain is shifting. Attitudes towards the US are a case in point. The move towards neo-liberalism in Britain was intimately bound up with the embrace of the US as the country to be aped and copied. The American model was celebrated by Thatcherites and New Labour alike, California worshipped as the model of the future, "Anglo-Saxon" embalmed as the fitting metaphor for the shared Anglo-American legacy, Europe denigrated and the rest of the world ignored.

How perceptions of the US have changed: a country living beyond its means, dependent on large helpings of Asian credit, characterised by huge inequalities, its great financial institutions guilty of huge folly, forced to rely for their salvation on the sovereign wealth funds of China and elsewhere. And, remember, we are only at the very beginning of the biggest geopolitical shift since the dawn of the industrial era.

Martin Jacques is visiting research fellow at the Asia research centre, London School of Economics.

GUARDIAN

Link (http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/martin-jacques/2008/02/19/1203190818888.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)

While the relative power of the US is in decline, I think the writer is overstating the relationship between the current economic situation and the fall of America. It does raise some fascinating ideas, though.

Poll coming.
Posi
20-02-2008, 08:55
The world should just give up and submit to Canada. Everything would be so much nicer that way.
Plotadonia
20-02-2008, 08:55
Not so sure I agree. For one thing, the writer spends to be working on the common misconception that a budget deficit = imminent economic destruction. Doesn't work that way. There are a lot of things a country can do to respond to such situations - none of them are good and all of them will hurt, but they can be done, and a country is not going to roll over and die because a number on a memo shows up red. May I remind you all that unlike you, countries have armies, nuclear missiles, governments, foreign policy staffs and a dramatic influence on other countries that frankly you do not have with your local bank. It won't be pretty, but the US will resolve it's crisis in that regard.

As for the relative power of the United States, the reality is that the United States only was the exclusive superpower for a brief 15 year period as the result of the other superpower imploding (USSR), and I believe there is some evidence already that some of the problems the US has been having (lopsiding of economy towards services) may already be on the way out, as just recently the manufacturing base started growing again, according to the ISM Manufacturing (http://www.ism.ws/ISMReport/MfgROB.cfm?navItemNumber=12942) Index, and current economic fundamentals (weakened dollar leading to easier exports, lower land prices making for easier industrial and railroad expansion, et cetera) will likely extend and strengthen this trend. In addition, I have heard -though sadly have no specific source- that recent fear has spiked savings rates. As horrible as it sounds, an economic slowdown may be exactly what the United States needs right now, especially if accompanied by some good real estate price deflation.

The "Global dominance of the UK markets" prior to 1931 largely went out as a result of WWII. The current global political spearpoint against the United States partially has to do with a string of marginally to completely ineffective leaders coupled with increased discontent both from a Europe marching towards oblivion, and an Arab/Oriental world that has seen two collosal military reversals and several substantial public faux pas on the part of the United States. Meanwhile, economic and technological expansion has increasingly become a global affair that can no longer be tied to one country, and as such, the United States can no longer, any more then any other nation, be looked to as an innovator. Only individuals can be seen as innovative now. There is no more California. It's been scattered to the wind along a fiber optic line.

And finally, the writer obviously doesn't understand what's happening in China right now, because as for the more "interventionist" mindset that the Far East supposedly has, it was undercutting regulations and starting to take apart that mindset that made China, while avoidance of the order that was in place that made India, and thus I have real doubts that "The decline of the Western world could well usher in a significant change in this mind-set." They already know that this author's "solution" doesn't work, and while they may still be more interventionist this is changing.
Errinundera
20-02-2008, 08:59
I agree particularly with your last comments (if I understand them correctly). More and more, people are seeing themselves as part of a global community. Perhaps the nation state will go the way of the city state?
Andaras
20-02-2008, 09:00
What's wrong with nationalization exactly?
Errinundera
20-02-2008, 09:02
What's wrong with nationalization exactly?

Is the author of the article criticising nationalisation? I think he is simply arguing that it represents a shift in political thinking.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-02-2008, 09:03
What's wrong with nationalization exactly?

What's right with it?
Vetalia
20-02-2008, 09:07
Shoot, I'm just hoping people don't regress in to totalitarianism again. We've had a bad enough time with that primitive, regressive ideology to last us an epoch.
Posi
20-02-2008, 09:14
Shoot, I'm just hoping people don't regress in to totalitarianism again. We've had a bad enough time with that primitive, regressive ideology to last us an epoch.
I think the author is trying to argue that this would be the beginning of a new epoch.

*resists Unix jokes*
Sikun
20-02-2008, 09:20
What's wrong with nationalization exactly?
I take it you're not living in a formerly-communist country; had you you lived someplace in Eastern Europe, the answer to that question would've seemed obvious. Okay, I won't go into details ATM (I'm at work, and my boss has his own ludicrous ideas regarding something he calls "work ethnic" or "worm ethic" or something), but the general idea is this: communist countries focus all production means (such as factories, power plants, etc) in huge state-owned industrial complexes, run generally by apparatchniks who have no idea how to run a factory, manage money, and so forth. Thus, all economy is based on "planned losses", which is a ludicrous concept, but one held dear by the nomenklatura.

Now the ironic bit is (this is where I stop derailing the thread and go back ontopic) that there IS a country where that system actually works -- ie, China. I'm fairly sure that China is the next world superpower; maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in 50 years, but soon enough.
Tongass
20-02-2008, 09:24
The US would have to fall very hard and very far, and whatever powers are to replace it would have to insulate their economies from the global repercussions really well for the US to lose its global dominance to another country.
Andaras
20-02-2008, 09:27
Is the author of the article criticising nationalisation? I think he is simply arguing that it represents a shift in political thinking.

Somehow I doubt that, Labor nationalized the bank because they couldn't find a private entity that would pay enough.
Barringtonia
20-02-2008, 09:28
What's right with it?

I'm not sure unfettered free market capitalism is a solution, perhaps strong government oversight is better than nationalisation but then that government oversight is very open to corruption.

I've made this point in another thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13466360&postcount=44) but there's beginning to be strong doubts over free market economics, of which I think this article is a product, the doubts that is.

Essentially, a drive towards greater efficiency ultimately forces down wages and boosts profits - shareholders win and workers lose and, given capitalism requires growth to sustain itself, that gap only increases.

So perhaps government nationalisation is not the best but I do think that if you join a company, you should gain shares in that company, an equitable amount of shares and not just a wage packet, actual ownership. I think a certain amount of shares should be set aside for welfare and general betterment of society, enforced CSR as it were.

Not nationalisation per se, not pure capitalism but a middling sort of compromise.
New Granada
20-02-2008, 09:30
A much better and more comprehensive and interesting article was published in the Times' Magazine a few weeks ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine

An take on what's happening in the world that's worth reading.
Errinundera
20-02-2008, 10:43
A much better and more comprehensive and interesting article was published in the Times' Magazine a few weeks ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine

An take on what's happening in the world that's worth reading.

It took a while but I read the article. To me there seems to be a current of doubt running through it. While the author argues that the world is moving towards US, Chinese and European spheres of influence, he admits that, ultimately, the Chinese and Europeans have greater resources at their disposal.

An interesting what-if question that pops up from time to time here in Australia, is who we should back if China and the US went to war over, say, Taiwan. Many think that it would be in Australia's interests to support China.
Call to power
20-02-2008, 10:47
a nation named after a nut being forgotten? what is wrong with you people? where is the Brazil option?!

I foresee a collection of hungry hungry hippos on every corner of the globe gobbling up what remains of the planets natural resources in the greedy E.U banker way

course this only really matters if you happen to live on the outlining states *looks at central Asia* seeing as how your nations get to be are boardgames like they always are :p
Errinundera
20-02-2008, 10:51
a nation named after a nut being forgotten? what is wrong with you people? where is the Brazil option?!

I foresee a collection of hungry hungry hippos on every corner of the globe gobbling up what remains of the planets natural resources in the greedy E.U banker way

course this only really matters if you happen to live on the outlining states *looks at central Asia* seeing as how your nations get to be are boardgames like they always are :p

Apologies. The article New Granada links to considers Brazil's role. It also considers in depth other "outlining states", as you call them.
Posi
20-02-2008, 10:52
It took a while but I read the article. To me there seems to be a current of doubt running through it. While the author argues that the world is moving towards US, Chinese and European spheres of influence, he admits that, ultimately, the Chinese and Europeans have greater resources at their disposal.

An interesting what-if question that pops up from time to time here in Australia, is who we should back if China and the US went to war over, say, Taiwan. Many think that it would be in Australia's interests to support China.True. He also thinks that Europe is going to be able to ride quite far on its much better international image.

What about Canada? Are we just assumed to be Americas bitch? He mentions NAFTA failing, maybe we become more Europe aligned?
Errinundera
20-02-2008, 14:59
True. He also thinks that Europe is going to be able to ride quite far on its much better international image.

What about Canada? Are we just assumed to be Americas bitch? He mentions NAFTA failing, maybe we become more Europe aligned?

Yeah, completely ignored. Also only mentions Australia once and then only to say that China is in the centre of an India-Japan-Australia trading triangle.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-02-2008, 16:34
"one of it's legs are both the same."
Ahhhhhhh, wtf? is this meant to be the other option?
Can someone please tell me what this means.
Forsakia
20-02-2008, 17:26
Yeah, completely ignored. Also only mentions Australia once and then only to say that China is in the centre of an India-Japan-Australia trading triangle.

Apart from anything else I don't see Russia just sitting this one out either.
Dukeburyshire
20-02-2008, 17:31
Britain could once more be the World's main power if only we had some Statesmen instead of Politicians.

America shall decline because it is suffering from too much concern over itself.

Colonial Britain looks better and better as America takes the world to Hell in a Handcart.
Call to power
20-02-2008, 17:39
Colonial Britain looks better and better as America takes the world to Hell in a Handcart.

brutally oppressing 25% of the planets population in the name of tea FTW!
Dukeburyshire
20-02-2008, 18:34
please define "FTW"

I thought it was a third of the world (with mandates).

Remind me of Canada and Australia's tea output last century!?

A look at our colonies would reveal we did not "brutally opress", and that's Libel/slander.

After all the USA was ruled by Britain.

The Indian Mutiny was when India was ruled by the East India Company, not the British Government. (now that's capitalism!)

And don't forget, Without the British Empire, Hitler would have won World War 2. (But the Americans wouldn't have had to fight evil, so they'd probably like that scenario).
Hamilay
20-02-2008, 18:36
Your poll makes Vladimir Putin cry. :(
Call to power
20-02-2008, 18:44
please define "FTW"

for the win though in this case its sarcasm

I thought it was a third of the world (with mandates).

A look at our colonies would reveal we did not "brutally opress", and that's Libel/slander.

I'm sorry but what do you call suppressing a peoples right to self determination on the grounds that they are an inferior race?

maybe Churchill could spread some light on our position at the time

I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

To the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)

After all the USA was ruled by Britain.

yeah, certainly allot of the natives left

The Indian Mutiny was when India was ruled by the East India Company, not the British Government. (now that's capitalism!)

no East India managed to keep the peace for hundreds of years prior (despite numerous crimes being committed on the locals) it was when the British empire began its policy of forcing subject peoples to adopt Christianity that things finally stirred

And don't forget, Without the British Empire, Hitler would have won World War 2. (But the Americans wouldn't have had to fight evil, so they'd probably like that scenario).

so what crime did Nazi Germany commit that Britain didn't?

Your poll makes Vladimir Putin cry. :(

this insecurity explains his bulging muscles ;)
Dukeburyshire
20-02-2008, 18:59
for the win though in this case its sarcasm

I'm sorry but what do you call suppressing a peoples right to self determination on the grounds that they are an inferior race?

yeah, certainly allot of the natives left

no East India managed to keep the peace for hundreds of years prior (despite numerous crimes being committed on the locals) it was when the British empire began its policy of forcing subject peoples to adopt Christianity that things finally stirred

so what crime did Nazi Germany commit that Britain didn't?


Self Determination being forced on peoples quite happy with how things are is much better than letting alone (thats sarcasm btw)

The American government has a lot more to do with the plight of the Native Americans than the British (ticket for a kill-the-buffalo-to-kill-the-natives train anyone?)

The East India company started the Mutiny.

The British Empire never approved of imposing religion on peoples, the missionaries were not Government run.

Nazi Germany killed with no reason. The British only killed when rebellions had to be crushed.

Oh, and Churchill wasn't PM in 1937. He became PM in the War. His statement was therefore his opinion.
Dontgonearthere
20-02-2008, 19:00
Countries rise and fall in power all the time. Yeah, it tends to be fairly steady, but really people, every time the economy hiccups it seems like a million articles about "THE USA IS GOING TO IMPLODE INTO A BLACK HOLE AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AND CHINA IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD." pop up, as if China's economy is in a better situation than the US economy when the US economy hiccups.

Seriously though, I wonder how many British newspapers were forecasting the end of the British Empire when Napoleon started enforcing the continiental system. Or how many Assyrian news inscribed-clay-tablets were screaming about the end every time somebody had to be horribly slaughtered.
Zer0-0ne
21-02-2008, 18:06
The world should just give up and submit to Canada. Everything would be so much nicer that way.
Canada's government is just as right-wing and greedy as that of the United States, if not more. :rolleyes: It just has fewer resources.