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What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!

Shadow Hearts Covenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Hearts:_Covenant) - fun to play, fabulously gay.

Tales of Symphonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_symphonia) - Good characters, interesting combat system.

Final Fantasy VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_viii) - Nice story, great attribute system (junctioning and there being a point to the card minigame rules!).

Dragon Quest VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_quest_viii) - It's not original in any sense, but does everything right when it comes to RPG.

What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!

And here when I opened this thread it'd be about real rpg's...

Ultima VII, Daggerfall (I liked Morrowind too), Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Arcanum, Albion, Knights of the Old Republic, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, Nethack, ADOM, Omega, T.O.M.E, etc...could probably think of more.
Glad to find another Rougelike fan on here, we're almost extinct!;) For some reason though, when I downloaded daggerfall it wouldn't work on my computer:(
And here when I opened this thread it'd be about real rpg's...

And what's your definition of a "Real RPG"?

I have a few...

Ultima VII, Daggerfall (I liked Morrowind too), Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Arcanum, Albion, Knights of the Old Republic, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, Nethack, ADOM, Omega, T.O.M.E, etc...could probably think of more.

I am kinda surprised that Neverwinter Nights isn't on your list. I'd like to add that (with its expansions, especially Hordes of the Underdark). I second Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines - it's a truly great game. Recently I've been playing through NWN2 and I've been enjoying that quite a bit as well. Hmm.. Baldur's Gate 2... and Planescape: Torment. <3

...real RPGs are
1.those that come with a hyphen and a number after "RPG" :D
2.those that people play with paper sheets, pencils and dices...

anyway, I'd say my personal ranking is
1.ADOM
2.SAngband
3.Daggerfall
4.TOME

Glad to find another Rougelike fan on here, we're almost extinct!;) For some reason though, when I downloaded daggerfall it wouldn't work on my computer:(


Try looking for the patches (google them) and, if you're under windows 2000 or above, you should run Daggerfall in Win95 compatibility mode. Sometimes it works, but keep in mind that Daggerfall is probabily the most buggy game ever.

Fallout 2.

Others which are great are :

- Final Fantasy VIII, which was really nicely written, although that bit in the sewers before getting to Edea was a complete pain in the arse, as was that bit on the spaceship, with the different coloured aliens.

- TOME is hardly an RPG, but it's good fun.

- Baldur's Gate 1 (Tutu Pack, which gives it BG2 fuctionality if you have BG2 installed, is superb both for the updated graphics and for the class and spell lists)

- Planescape : Torment is one of the all time greats, for its superb story

- VtM : Bloodlines was excellent in general, although a bit overly combat oriented towards the end for my tastes.

Glad to find another Rougelike fan on here, we're almost extinct!;) For some reason though, when I downloaded daggerfall it wouldn't work on my computer:(

Hehe, roguelikes will never die out. You should check out Dwarf Fortress (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/), an awesome mix of a strategy game and traditional roguelike...but a hell of a learning curve (easier now than a few months ago though). The guys behind it are developing it like mad too, there's a new version every time I check the site, and it keeps getting better. I would have put it here but it's more of a strategy game than an RPG at the moment.

And Daggerfall is hell to get running on modern PCs. There's probably a windows patch out there somewhere if you look hard enough.

All computer RPGs pale before the real thing.

...real RPGs are
1.those that come with a hyphen and a number after "RPG" :D
2.those that people play with paper sheets, pencils and dices...


exactly

A role-playing game (RPG; often roleplaying game) is a game in which the participants assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create or follow stories. Participants determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Rpg-7.jpg

And don't forget combining the two ;)
http://shop.rpg.net/images/RPG/FFE2001.gif

KOTOR!!!

Haven't actually beaten either of them yet, but they still rock. I was on last level of both, then my comp got brokeded and needed wiping.

Hehe, roguelikes will never die out. You should check out Dwarf Fortress, an awesome mix of a strategy game and traditional roguelike...but a hell of a learning curve (easier now than a few months ago though). The guys behind it are developing it like mad too, there's a new version every time I check the site, and it keeps getting better. I would have put it here but it's more of a strategy game than an RPG at the moment.

I been playing Dwarf Fortress for about a year, and I still suck at it!:p
And Daggerfall is hell to get running on modern PCs. There's probably a windows patch out there somewhere if you look hard enough.
Meh. Too lazy. Plus, I've got about 14 or 15 new games that I haven't finished yet!

- Baldur's Gate 1 (Tutu Pack, which gives it BG2 fuctionality if you have BG2 installed, is superb both for the updated graphics and for the class and spell lists)

Yup, great mod.

And what's your definition of a "Real RPG"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7
http://manual.americasarmy.com/images/9/98/Rpg7-400.jpg
RPG-7. The classic. Nearly 50 years old and still going strong.

Edit: Bummer too slow. Curse these fingers.

...real RPGs are
1.those that come with a hyphen and a number after "RPG" :D
2.those that people play with paper sheets, pencils and dices...
To combine the two, crack open the GURPS handbook!

My favourite would be the -29, and 3rd Edition (Revised) :p

I been playing Dwarf Fortress for about a year, and I still suck at it!:p

Ahh, cool. :D If they eventually add all the stuff they've said they're going to, it's going to be awesome. (I still suck at it too...but I can last a lot longer than I once could, hehe.)

You fail because Neverwinter Nights is not an option.

Planescape : Torment !!

But stuck in Modron Cube :headbang:

Tales of Symphonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_symphonia)–Good characters, interesting combat system.
Seconded.

Makes a JRPG genuinely fun, and far less repetitive.

And here when I opened this thread it’d be about real rpg’s...
Both pixelated or pen & paper RPG’s are ‘real’ RPG’s, you big moany-pants you. :p

And for your consideration: Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Morrowind and Warhammer Quest (Advanced RPG rules, obviously).

Did anyone else think of a Rocket propelled grenade when they read the title?
Dunno i've played Baldurs gate for PS2, decided to get the cheap one for PC and that was utter balls in comparison, it's near impossible to get anywhere, and eats up time like a black hole.

Planescape : Torment !!

But stuck in Modron Cube :headbang:

Oooh, that's a good one!

My favourite, actually - due to the storyline :)

Otherwise I'd say Baldurs Gate 2, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, and...

Well, a lot of Tabletop RPG's too! :p

1. Final Fantasy 7 -- Don't think I need to explain here.

Tied for Second:

Star Ocean III-- I loved the gameplay, and the battle system is what partially made me love my next choice.

Tales of the Abyss (Because I don't own a GC for Symphonia) -- Again, fun gameplay, awesome story development.

3. Final Fantasy 8 -- Just 'cause.

KOTOR series and, of course, Deus Ex, just or hybrid fun.

What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!
Morrowind FTW!

The Elder Scrolls series is the best series ever, the games just have a great knack for story telling, but you cannot compare them due to each one the series being so unique.

Secret of Mana. To suggest otherwise is blasphemy.

Secret of Mana. To suggest otherwise is blasphemy.
I prefer Legend of Mana to tell the truth.

Chrono Trigger.

Secret of Mana.
Classic.

The ones you play with dice, that's what I assumed this was about.

Fallout 2 is absolutly the best!!!

The ones you play with dice, that's what I assumed this was about.

As did I... CRPG's might be fun, but they're not exactly rpg's either.

It has to be KotOR, seeing as it's the only RPG I've played more than twice. I've actually played it through five times.

I know Morrowind is popular, but in my two attempts to play that game I gave up after a few hours. The game doesn't have any structure, you're just dropped in a world as generic and formulaic as an MMORPG and told to find your own fun. I couldn't find any. From what I've heard, Oblivion at least made the storytelling tighter, so I would probably have liked that better.

Chrono Trigger.

You have excellent taste.

I prefer Legend of Mana to tell the truth.

I loved Legend of Mana. I miss that game. My first one got stolen, and my second one got lost. :(

You have excellent taste.Why thank you. You do as well, I enjoyed "Secret of Mana", especially for its multiplayer ability.

Gothic I and II. Most underrated games ever made.

I love the KOTOR series. Number 3 has just been announced, btw.

Gothic I and II. Most underrated games ever made.
What about Defcon? That was (and still is) great but almost unheard-of.

What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!

You needed to make a checklist, the poll fails.

I love Final Fantasy, but am playing Oblivion right now, and it pretty much kicks butt. I also like the KOTOR games...damnit...The choice is hard to make :mad:

Final Fantasy VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_viii) - Nice story, great attribute system (junctioning and there being a point to the card minigame rules!).

FFVIII, while good, had far too many boring parts in it. Examples: The part in Disc 2 where you have to find Raijin in Balamb City; the part in Disc 3 out in space; and most of the flashbacks with Laguna.

FFVIII, while good, had far too many boring parts in it. Examples: The part in Disc 2 where you have to find Raijin in Balamb City; the part in Disc 3 out in space; and most of the flashbacks with Laguna.

None of those parts were boring.

None of those parts were boring.
The bit with the multi-coloured aliens on the spaceship was rubbish.

None of those parts were boring.

Watching Squall drift slowly through space for what felt like hours wasn't boring?

Running back and forth through Balamb talking to random idiots while having to tolerate annoying music wasn't boring?

Watching Squall drift slowly through space for what felt like hours wasn't boring?
That bit wasn't too bad.
Running back and forth through Balamb talking to random idiots while having to tolerate annoying music wasn't boring?
Took quite a while, but was largely painless.

At least you mention Morrowind...
To me undoubtably the best RPG's are Gothic I and II, and there is also Diablo II( it does have RPG elements even if it's hack'n'slash). Fable and Planescape Torment are also top notch.

That bit wasn't too bad.

Yes, it was.

Took quite a while, but was largely painless.

It was extremely annoying.

Watching Squall drift slowly through space for what felt like hours wasn't boring?

Nope.

Running back and forth through Balamb talking to random idiots while having to tolerate annoying music wasn't boring?

Nope.

Yes, it was.

It was extremely annoying.
Nononono.

The only really annoying bits were that fucking sewers bit before Edea, and the bit where you have to find the guy's ID number in those caves containing The Brothers.

*snip*

I have to ask, then. What would you consider boring?

Nononono.

The only really annoying bits were that fucking sewers bit before Edea, and the bit where you have to find the guy's ID number in those caves containing The Brothers.

The sewers weren't that bad. Neither was the ID. Wasn't it just inside the Tomb?

The sewers weren't that bad.
If you took like a couple of wrong turnings, it took bloody ages to sort out.
Neither was the ID. Wasn't it just inside the Tomb?
IIRC it was randomly generated, but you might be right on that one, been ages since I played it.

If you took like a couple of wrong turnings, it took bloody ages to sort out.

The only part about the sewers that bothered me was the music.

IIRC it was randomly generated, but you might be right on that one, been ages since I played it.

It was, but finding it was easy as pie. It was on one of the first screens.

The bit with the multi-coloured aliens on the spaceship was rubbish.

If you're talking about the Propagators aboard the Ragnarok, no it wasn't.

The only part on FFVIII that was a little boring was drifting at sea on Balamb Garden.

The only part about the sewers that bothered me was the music.
That was pretty lame as well, aye.
It was, but finding it was easy as pie. It was on one of the first screens.
I meant its location.

If you're talking about the Propagators aboard the Ragnarok, no it wasn't.
It was when I didn't know you had to get the ones with the same colours in a row or they just came back again. Total pain in the arse.

FFVI > FFVIII


'Nuff said.

I have to ask, then. What would you consider boring?

Chocobo-breeding and levelling overall in VII. That was what was so great with VIII, it punished you for levelling, so the funnest way to play the game was to level as little as possible using only proper junctioning to augment the characters' stats.

So many awesome RPGs.

The KOTOR series are probably my favourite overall, but I am a massive Star Wars nerd.

Fable is amazing, can't wait for the second.

Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and all the expansion packs are absolutely fantastic, even if the camera control system gets worse every time.

Jade Empire is another classic from the KOTOR crew.

Probably more I can't remember at the mo...

It has to be KotOR, seeing as it's the only RPG I've played more than twice. I've actually played it through five times.

I know Morrowind is popular, but in my two attempts to play that game I gave up after a few hours. The game doesn't have any structure, you're just dropped in a world as generic and formulaic as an MMORPG and told to find your own fun. I couldn't find any. From what I've heard, Oblivion at least made the storytelling tighter, so I would probably have liked that better.

I very much agree, except that's what I felt from Oblivion. I like freedom to go and do your own thing, but there is such thing as too much freedom. Oblivion lacked structure - too many times, I had to check out a walkthrough to work out how to complete a particular quest. At first, the epic size and freedom to do what you want was endearing, but it gets old - that kind of gameplay suits an MMORPG much better, because there are actual people (as in player characters) to interact with in the wild, and chat going on. That, and carrying all your loot out of an Oblivion gate was a frikking nightmare...

Chocobo-breeding and levelling overall in VII. That was what was so great with VIII, it punished you for levelling, so the funnest way to play the game was to level as little as possible using only proper junctioning to augment the characters' stats.

Chocobo breeding was a pain in the ass, I agree.

It was when I didn't know you had to get the ones with the same colours in a row or they just came back again. Total pain in the arse.

It was obvious what you had to do after like two attempts, and it's not like the Propagators were hard to kill. Either you played the card game well throughout the game and synthesised good spells from them to junction to your attack so you killed them with ease (and also got all the ultimate weapons by disc 1-2 thanks again to the card game), or you just junctioned thunder spells to absorb or negate the damage and did the same with blind and silence, or the easiest of all just blinded and silenced them. No bother at all.

The bit with the multi-coloured aliens on the spaceship was rubbish.
Well... yeah, but no more so than any other unscripted battle.

The thing about Final Fantasy 8 was that its system was far too powerful. I mean, it's a complete powerplayer's dream (I totally owned that spider. ^^), and you do definitely skip a lot of the grind that other Final Fantasy games suffer from (5 and 12 particularly), but it kinda takes the excitement out of battles when you know there's not a chance of you losing.

4, 9 and 10 are my favourites in the series. They're the ones that get the balance right between gameplay and storytelling, being engaging in both at the same time. Perhaps 9 has a tendency to be a bit gimmicky in some of its sidequests, but only painfully so in some of the Chocobo bits.

Though I'll always love the morally ambiguous plot behind 7. =)

As for my favourite RPG, though, I'd side with the Kingdom Hearts series if that's permitted. Yes, the stories aren't as deep or insightful as others, but they're lighthearted and fun, and this matches perfectly with its combat mechanics to make a very entertaining series of games.

4, 9 and 10 are my favourites in the series.

4 is also my favorite (tied with 6). I loved 9 and 10, too, but 10 was way too damn easy.

Kouga Yun!! ¨Loveless¨ RPG desu yo! Don´t ask.

That was what was so great with VIII, it punished you for levelling...
Actually, the bonus system meant that levelling became a great resource as your GFs improved, but obviously this is wasted if you level up too much too soon. Mind you, it's not like you need it; good junctioning makes you near-invincible anyway. And, if you play your cards right, you get actual invincibility thrown into it, which's just plain silly.

Fallout 2.

Others which are great are :

- Final Fantasy VIII, which was really nicely written, although that bit in the sewers before getting to Edea was a complete pain in the arse, as was that bit on the spaceship, with the different coloured aliens.


Don't forget the desert prison where apparently a one-inch high piece of metal is enough to force you to go all the way around a huge circle in a place with high encounter rates...

The thing about Final Fantasy 8 was that its system was far too powerful. I mean, it's a complete powerplayer's dream (I totally owned that spider. ^^), and you do definitely skip a lot of the grind that other Final Fantasy games suffer from (5 and 12 particularly), but it kinda takes the excitement out of battles when you know there's not a chance of you losing.]

Oh, there was still a chance. Even with an extremely powerful party I was always deathly afraid of Marlboros and ran whenever I saw one. Those things never failed to kill my party in a long, horribly drawn out session of me watching them confuse themselves to death or something.


4, 9 and 10 are my favourites in the series. They're the ones that get the balance right between gameplay and storytelling, being engaging in both at the same time. Perhaps 9 has a tendency to be a bit gimmicky in some of its sidequests, but only painfully so in some of the Chocobo bits.

I'm confused as to why you rate X alongside IX, seeing as IX was far superior. X was abysmal. It was mostly a graphics fest and the story wasn't all that interesting...it didn't help that what there was of it was messed up by Yuna's voice actress lip-syncing to the Japanese lines...

Though I'll always love the morally ambiguous plot behind 7. =)

VII is my least favorite game of all time, partially because I never enjoyed playing it, and partially because its characters have disproportionate fame and notability. You see them in practically anything. Alike so:

As for my favourite RPG, though, I'd side with the Kingdom Hearts series if that's permitted. Yes, the stories aren't as deep or insightful as others, but they're lighthearted and fun, and this matches perfectly with its combat mechanics to make a very entertaining series of games.
Kingdom Hearts captured my imagination and reawakened my love of Disney(something for which I will always be grateful) but I have to say that the Final Fantasy VII characters everywhere irk me. The first game wasn't so bad on this line--the whole Sephiroth thing was isolated to something optional, which meant I could freely enjoy fighting him, but...

But the second one had FFVII crap all over one of the most important sequences in the entire game's story. It was ridiculous that the War in Hollow Bastion was interrupted for some Cloud v Sephiroth action. What's worse, I can't help but feel Sephiroth's inclusion took valuable time away from putting in things that would have really mattered, like fighting Roxas in TWTNW instead of just watching a scene. (It hurts that its fightable in Final Mix +, but at least I'll be playing that in a couple of days, finally, so it doesn't bother me as much as it used to.)

Sephiroth = most overrated villain ever

4 is also my favorite (tied with 6). I loved 9 and 10, too, but 10 was way too damn easy.
Well, yeah, 10 was easy, but in a consistently interesting way. The potential to jump about and tweak the sphere grid keeps things experimental. Plus, to this day, I haven't beaten Penance without relying on Yojimbo.

The thing about 6 that I think annoyed me a bit was that although character development is excellent in Balance, Ruin feels rather unsatisfying. It's just a huge string of independent short story fragments where our protaganists one by one find their reason to live, interspersed with blatant monster-filler. I mean, yes, we've created these tensions in Balance that need resolving, but it's almost like the only thing Ruin does is resolve these tensions by throwing unnecessary peripheral threats at our heroes.

But 4 is definitely up there, and I really want to try the DS remake when it comes out.

Morrowind! Oblivion is good, but Morrowind just has... something.... that Oblivion lacks. I like the user-generated content options for both games.

FF 1, 2, 6, 7, 9, & 12 were good, but once you've played them, you've done everything there is to do. Game over. I haven't had the chance to play 3 or 4, 5 was only OK, 8 had a good play system but boring story, and 10 was a waste of time - I quit halfway through.

I've played KOTOR and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, and enjoyed them, but I have the same complaint about them that I have about the Final Fantasy series.

I rather enjoyed FFIX, X and X-II. I swoon thinking about those games.:p

I really wasn't a fan of X-2. There was too much build-up for what was really a mediocre battle-system. While portions of the story were alright, I just didn't like it. Brother constantly managed to creep me out, Nooj just bugged me...I did like the concept of the storyline, it was just too poorly executed for my tastes. Random quests and non-linears are fine until they actually interfere with the storyline if and when you decide to follow it.

Plus, taking five minutes to change jobs in the middle of a fight while your character is getting whacked seems a bit much to me.

And...it wasn't that hard. I mean, all you need is a single gunner with Lv. 3 Trigger Happy and Cat Nip, and you can kill pretty much anything.

Edit: Timewarp, oh noes!

Well... yeah, but no more so than any other unscripted battle.

The thing about Final Fantasy 8 was that its system was far too powerful. I mean, it's a complete powerplayer's dream (I totally owned that spider. ^^), and you do definitely skip a lot of the grind that other Final Fantasy games suffer from (5 and 12 particularly), but it kinda takes the excitement out of battles when you know there's not a chance of you losing.

4, 9 and 10 are my favourites in the series. They're the ones that get the balance right between gameplay and storytelling, being engaging in both at the same time. Perhaps 9 has a tendency to be a bit gimmicky in some of its sidequests, but only painfully so in some of the Chocobo bits.

Though I'll always love the morally ambiguous plot behind 7. =)

As for my favourite RPG, though, I'd side with the Kingdom Hearts series if that's permitted. Yes, the stories aren't as deep or insightful as others, but they're lighthearted and fun, and this matches perfectly with its combat mechanics to make a very entertaining series of games.

I rather enjoyed FFIX, X and X-II. I swoon thinking about those games.:p

Hehehehe, catnip. *clears throat* Sorry, I just spaced out there. But yeah, I agree, the wort part of FFXII was that if you didn´t complete the quests with a perfect or good score, you wouldn´t be able to see the alternate, good ending. (sheesh, you had to get a 100%, right?) But I still liked the game. I can be idiotic sometimes.:p

Vegnagun just...too easy with catnip. xD It was kinda funny, really. I took maybe five minutes clearing him out with a Catnipped Yuna. It just seems to me the whole game was based on good ideas, but bad execution.

By the way, did you ever have the patience to finish the ENTIRE Cloister of Trials?

Edit: Damn, more timewarp. xD

I really wasn't a fan of X-2. There was too much build-up for what was really a mediocre battle-system. While portions of the story were alright, I just didn't like it. Brother constantly managed to creep me out, Nooj just bugged me...I did like the concept of the storyline, it was just too poorly executed for my tastes. Random quests and non-linears are fine until they actually interfere with the storyline if and when you decide to follow it.

Plus, taking five minutes to change jobs in the middle of a fight while your character is getting whacked seems a bit much to me.

And...it wasn't that hard. I mean, all you need is a single gunner with Lv. 3 Trigger Happy and Cat Nip, and you can kill pretty much anything.

Edit: Timewarp, oh noes!

Hehehehe, catnip. *clears throat* Sorry, I just spaced out there. But yeah, I agree, the wort part of FFXII was that if you didn´t complete the quests with a perfect or good score, you wouldn´t be able to see the alternate, good ending. (sheesh, you had to get a 100%, right?) But I still liked the game. I can be idiotic sometimes.:p

Geneforge IV: Rebellion (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/geneforge4/index.html) by Spiderweb Software (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com). One of the best games I've ever played, and probably the best plot I've seen in a game. It's a series, and a bit of an epic, but you can drop in anywhere. Basically, there's this bioengineering like magic called Shaping. The Shapers can make old life better, as well as make entirely new life. Eventually, after three games buildup, there's all out war between the enslaved creations and the Shapers. You have to choose a side, between the increasingly desperate Rebels and the tyrannical Shapers.

Spiderweb's also got some other good games (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/products.html), all of them highly original. And they all come with large demos. What's more, they're indie by a Seattlite named Jeff Vogel. He's gotten several awards, so they're good indie too.

Other good RPG's include Fable: The Lost Chapters, Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, Oblivion, and anything that's not an MMORPG.

Vegnagun just...too easy with catnip. xD It was kinda funny, really. I took maybe five minutes clearing him out with a Catnipped Yuna. It just seems to me the whole game was based on good ideas, but bad execution.

By the way, did you ever have the patience to finish the ENTIRE Cloister of Trials?

Edit: Damn, more timewarp. xD

Oh gods! Fighting Vegnagun wearing those Cactus, Moggle and Tomberry costumes was like tripping on... something... You get my gist. That game was trouble, but you´re right, it was poorly executed.

Anyway, as for your last question, no, sorry, I went as far as level 35, or something. After that, I just lost my head and restarted the game.:D

Oh, don´t worry about the time-warps, my posts look quite messed-up too.:cool:

Oh gods! Fighting Vegnagun wearing those Cactus, Moggle and Tomberry costumes was like tripping on... something... You get my gist. That game was trouble, but you´re right, it was poorly executed.

Anyway, as for your last question, no, sorry, I went as far as level 35, or something. After that, I just lost my head and restarted the game.:D

Oh, don´t worry about the time-warps, my posts look quite messed-up too.:cool:

I managed to make it to the Cloister Infinity. >.>; I had a looot of patience. But I couldn't beat Paragon, or whatever his name was.

FFVII all the way, but the whole list is filled with some crackin RPG videogamery.

Then you have the patience of a Buddhist monk, eh.

Indeed. But again, it was fairly quick battles, I had nothing else to do. But Paragon...Owned my ass even with Catnip, and five rounds of Trigger Happy.

I managed to make it to the Cloister Infinity. >.>; I had a looot of patience. But I couldn't beat Paragon, or whatever his name was.

Then you have the patience of a Buddhist monk, eh.

Speaking of which, I think I would like to play FFXII again just to see how long do I last in the Cloister before going nuts and turning off the game.:D

Nice. Let me know how that goes!

Indeed. But again, it was fairly quick battles, I had nothing else to do. But Paragon...Owned my ass even with Catnip, and five rounds of Trigger Happy.

Speaking of which, I think I would like to play FFXII again just to see how long do I last in the Cloister before going nuts and turning off the game.:D

Nice. Let me know how that goes!

Roger.

*Cracks knuckles*

Time to pimp out my love for RPGs!

In order of preference:

1. Earthbound

2. Chrono Trigger

3. Star Ocean I & III, haven't played II.

4. KotOR I & II.

5. Kingdom Hearts

6. Pokemon (anyone who laughs will get electrocuted, burned, TKed, haunted, pecked, vinewhipped, Dragon Raged, Iron Tailed, quaked, stoned, frozen, poisoned, karate chopped, bugged, and Hyperbeamed in that order.)

7. Final Fantasy VII & X

8. Dragon Warrior 8

9. All other Final Fantasy games

10. All other RPGs.

*Cracks knuckles*

Time to pimp out my love for RPGs!

In order of preference:

1. Earthbound

2. Chrono Trigger

3. Star Ocean III

4. KotOR I & II.

5. Kingdom Hearts

6. Pokemon (anyone who laughs will get electrocuted, burned, TKed, haunted, pecked, vinewhipped, Dragon Raged, Iron Tailed, quaked, stoned, frozen, poisoned, karate chopped, bugged, and Hyperbeamed in that order.)

7. Final Fantasy VII & X

8. Dragon Warrior 8

9. All other Final Fantasy games

10. All other RPGs.

Of your list: FF games, Kingdom Hearts I and II and Pokémon. Playing with those plastic PokeBalls brings fond memories to mind and a warm, fuzzy feeling to my heart.:fluffle:

Kuso desu ne! I said too much.:eek:

Geneforge IV: Rebellion (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/geneforge4/index.html) by Spiderweb Software (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com). One of the best games I've ever played, and probably the best plot I've seen in a game. It's a series, and a bit of an epic, but you can drop in anywhere. Basically, there's this bioengineering like magic called Shaping. The Shapers can make old life better, as well as make entirely new life. Eventually, after three games buildup, there's all out war between the enslaved creations and the Shapers. You have to choose a side, between the increasingly desperate Rebels and the tyrannical Shapers.

Spiderweb's also got some other good games (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/products.html), all of them highly original. And they all come with large demos. What's more, they're indie by a Seattlite named Jeff Vogel. He's gotten several awards, so they're good indie too.

Other good RPG's include Fable: The Lost Chapters, Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, Oblivion, and anything that's not an MMORPG.

Spiderweb has some good stuff, but not Geneforge. I can't stand the series. It's boring. Worse, the graphics are mind-bogglingly dumb. I'm not normally one to care much about the graphics, but these look like they're trying to be much better than they are.

Worse yet, now those graphics have invaded the Avernum series, and since I associate those graphics with boring in my mind, I can't stand to play the new Avernum games. :(

Oh, for those who played the international version of Final Fantasy XII: Is it worth it? That is, is it much better than the original game? Because I couldn't stand the original...it too was mind-numbingly boring. But from what I understand the international version has things worked out much better.

Oh, there was still a chance. Even with an extremely powerful party I was always deathly afraid of Marlboros and ran whenever I saw one. Those things never failed to kill my party in a long, horribly drawn out session of me watching them confuse themselves to death or something.
ST-DEFx4 is your friend. :p

I'm confused as to why you rate X alongside IX, seeing as IX was far superior. X was abysmal. It was mostly a graphics fest and the story wasn't all that interesting...it didn't help that what there was of it was messed up by Yuna's voice actress lip-syncing to the Japanese lines...
Sure, IX was great, but X still had its charms. I enjoyed the general theme of dealing with disillusionment, and say what you will about the voice actors, I think the characters of X felt a lot more human and relatable than those of its predecessors (perhaps excluding 4).

VII is my least favorite game of all time, partially because I never enjoyed playing it, and partially because its characters have disproportionate fame and notability. You see them in practically anything. Alike so...
This is a completely fair criticism of KH2. My only response I guess is that it was released during the Advent Children craze, and if you've already got Cloud and Sephiroth in your game, you're going to need to make reference to their expanded role. It was either that or leave them out, and given that you've used Cloud already in KH1, you're going to have to bite the bullet if you don't want crazed fanpeople screaming blue murder.

As far as the characters' disproportionate fame goes, I wouldn't say it's entirely fair to blame the game itself for failing to match the hype. It's just that Cloud and Sephiroth have been iconified for being the very things that Final Fantasy 7 itself declares a pretense. Cloud, a cool and sensitive hero? Not a chance; the man is a desperately insecure and vulnerable figure who spends a week comatose in a wheelchair after dooming the planet to almost assured destruction simply by having his world view brought into question. Sephiroth, the inhumanly strong primary antagonist and rival of the hero? Again, no; the Sephiroth in the game is an apparition designed to lure Cloud, the eternal fanboy, into carrying out Jenova's plot, whilst Sephiroth himself has no power his beloved mommy didn't give him.

Okay, as a game it's a bit drab, but its plot is first class stuff.

ST-DEFx4 is your friend. :p

True enough.

Sure, IX was great, but X still had its charms. I enjoyed the general theme of dealing with disillusionment, and say what you will about the voice actors, I think the characters of X felt a lot more human and relatable than those of its predecessors (perhaps excluding 4).

Well...I suppose in some ways...and I did like Auron and Rikku as characters...I think I just didn't enjoy it well enough. Maybe I ought to look at the international version sometime.


This is a completely fair criticism of KH2. My only response I guess is that it was released during the Advent Children craze, and if you've already got Cloud and Sephiroth in your game, you're going to need to make reference to their expanded role. It was either that or leave them out, and given that you've used Cloud already in KH1, you're going to have to bite the bullet if you don't want crazed fanpeople screaming blue murder.
True. It still irked me personally though. I think they would have been well enough to just give them the Advent Children outfits and stuck to that. (Speaking of the outfits...I have to say that I really liked Tifa's. It looked good and was far more practical than her original game outfit.)

Though they changed some voices around...Aerith's was, in a word, painful.

As far as the characters' disproportionate fame goes, I wouldn't say it's entirely fair to blame the game itself for failing to match the hype. It's just that Cloud and Sephiroth have been iconified for being the very things that Final Fantasy 7 itself declares a pretense. Cloud, a cool and sensitive hero? Not a chance; the man is a desperately insecure and vulnerable figure who spends a week comatose in a wheelchair after dooming the planet to almost assured destruction simply by having his world view brought into question. Sephiroth, the inhumanly strong primary antagonist and rival of the hero? Again, no; the Sephiroth in the game is an apparition designed to lure Cloud, the eternal fanboy, into carrying out Jenova's plot, whilst Sephiroth himself has no power his beloved mommy didn't give him.

Okay, as a game it's a bit drab, but its plot is first class stuff.

Perhaps. I don't deny that it had some interesting themes. It's the execution I found poor.

Of course, I have criticisms about the Kingdom Hearts series plot as well...why are they persisting in this whole "Light is good and Darkness is evil!" thing? Why haven't they already taken advantage of the obvious story potential here? They could make an entire game out of screwing with Sora's head by introducing some Light-based enemy. And don't get me started on Kairi. They keep making her out to be the ultimate damsel in distress and even after giving her a Keyblade she STILL hung behind. I want to see her fight alongside Sora, damn it. I always liked her character more than Sora's(not that I dislike him, because I don't) and I think she has great potential if the storywriters would just stop making her a damsel in distress and let her use her actual strengths.

Of course, I have criticisms about the Kingdom Hearts series plot as well...why are they persisting in this whole "Light is good and Darkness is evil!" thing? Why haven't they already taken advantage of the obvious story potential here? They could make an entire game out of screwing with Sora's head by introducing some Light-based enemy. And don't get me started on Kairi. They keep making her out to be the ultimate damsel in distress and even after giving her a Keyblade she STILL hung behind. I want to see her fight alongside Sora, damn it. I always liked her character more than Sora's(not that I dislike him, because I don't) and I think she has great potential if the storywriters would just stop making her a damsel in distress and let her use her actual strengths.
That's one of the reasons why I favor Star Ocean III over Kingdom Hearts. Sophia's role as the most powerful mage in the game (you haven't seen awesome until the first time you see Explosion or Laser Beams attack a foe!) far outstrips Kairi's role.

True enough.

Well...I suppose in some ways...and I did like Auron and Rikku as characters...I think I just didn't enjoy it well enough. Maybe I ought to look at the international version sometime.



For the most part, I enjoyed X. Each character brought something to the table, with the exception of maybe Kimhari--but he had more character development in X-2. I did think maybe it was a bit odd that Tidus was the only one with any common sense in the group: "Hey, let's NOT kill the summoner and find a way to permanently destroy Sin!" What a novel idea.

Though they changed some voices around...Aerith's was, in a word, painful.

I cringed every time I heard Aerith's new voice. It was like they were trying to add some kind of mental deficiency, just by the way she talked. The AC version of Aerith's voice wasn't bad...The KH series....just ugh.


Of course, I have criticisms about the Kingdom Hearts series plot as well...why are they persisting in this whole "Light is good and Darkness is evil!" thing? Why haven't they already taken advantage of the obvious story potential here? They could make an entire game out of screwing with Sora's head by introducing some Light-based enemy.

My god, novel ideas, again. Who would figure? It'd be awesome to see some maniacal psuedoangelic character for Sora to fight. I LOVE when characters have to go through mind games.

And don't get me started on Kairi. They keep making her out to be the ultimate damsel in distress and even after giving her a Keyblade she STILL hung behind. I want to see her fight alongside Sora, damn it. I always liked her character more than Sora's(not that I dislike him, because I don't) and I think she has great potential if the storywriters would just stop making her a damsel in distress and let her use her actual strengths.

I'd love to see Kairi actually taking up arms--who knows when it'll actually happen, though. In a lot of RPGs, there seems to be the classic element of a helpless damsel-in-distress. I don't mind, except when they're ALWAYS helpless. It's kind of like (and excuse this reference, it's the first thing to come to mind) Daphne from Scooby-Doo. Completely worthless, brain-dead, and always kidnapped.

That's one of the reasons why I favor Star Ocean III over Kingdom Hearts. Sophia's role as the most powerful mage in the game (you haven't seen awesome until the first time you see Explosion or Laser Beams attack a foe!) far outstrips Kairi's role.

Yes, but in exchange, Sophia's intelligence seems to be lacking something desired...Which has led to a lot of Sophia-bashing with other SOIII fans. Personally, I used Maria and Cliff. More powerful attacks, and it was just a better fit for me.

My god, novel ideas, again. Who would figure? It'd be awesome to see some maniacal psuedoangelic character for Sora to fight. I LOVE when characters have to go through mind games.
Heh. I once more shamelessly promote SO3 when I say you'll find maniacal psuedoangelic bosses running around. Meet the Proclaimer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwMdzW4JgMM

Yes, but in exchange, Sophia's intelligence seems to be lacking something desired...Which has led to a lot of Sophia-bashing with other SOIII fans. Personally, I used Maria and Cliff. More powerful attacks, and it was just a better fit for me.
I know. Get something right and you always seem to find a flaw. That's one of the cons with these things. Incidently, I use Roger's Flying Torpedo a hell of a lot. Maybe I try Maria sometime...

Of course, I have criticisms about the Kingdom Hearts series plot as well...why are they persisting in this whole "Light is good and Darkness is evil!" thing? Why haven't they already taken advantage of the obvious story potential here? They could make an entire game out of screwing with Sora's head by introducing some Light-based enemy. And don't get me started on Kairi. They keep making her out to be the ultimate damsel in distress and even after giving her a Keyblade she STILL hung behind. I want to see her fight alongside Sora, damn it. I always liked her character more than Sora's(not that I dislike him, because I don't) and I think she has great potential if the storywriters would just stop making her a damsel in distress and let her use her actual strengths.
Again, right on the dot about KH2 and Kairi. Interestingly, though, the Light/Darkness thing was brought into question in Chain of Memories, which you'll hopefully get to see in ReChain. I won't spoil anything, but Sora finds out that light can blind you to the truth, while Riku begins to realise that his shadow is something he has to live with. Hey, I sound like a Square marketing guy here...

That's one of the reasons why I favor Star Ocean III over Kingdom Hearts. Sophia's role as the most powerful mage in the game (you haven't seen awesome until the first time you see Explosion or Laser Beams attack a foe!) far outstrips Kairi's role.
Really? I've never played the Star Ocean games. Might be worth a look after all.
For the most part, I enjoyed X. Each character brought something to the table, with the exception of maybe Kimhari--but he had more character development in X-2. I did think maybe it was a bit odd that Tidus was the only one with any common sense in the group: "Hey, let's NOT kill the summoner and find a way to permanently destroy Sin!" What a novel idea.

I suppose they did at that.


I cringed every time I heard Aerith's new voice. It was like they were trying to add some kind of mental deficiency, just by the way she talked. The AC version of Aerith's voice wasn't bad...The KH series....just ugh.

Yeah, I vastly preferred her voice in the first game. Aerith is a strong character too, so she should have a strong voice to support her.


My god, novel ideas, again. Who would figure? It'd be awesome to see some maniacal psuedoangelic character for Sora to fight. I LOVE when characters have to go through mind games.

As would I. Unfortunately I don't think Nomura plans on doing that, as much as I would like to see it.


I'd love to see Kairi actually taking up arms--who knows when it'll actually happen, though. In a lot of RPGs, there seems to be the classic element of a helpless damsel-in-distress. I don't mind, except when they're ALWAYS helpless. It's kind of like (and excuse this reference, it's the first thing to come to mind) Daphne from Scooby-Doo. Completely worthless, brain-dead, and always kidnapped.

Exactly. It's sexist and stupid in this day and age. It's gotten to the point where if I ever have a choice to play as a female character in any sort of game I'll always do it just because I can then imagine them as a strong character...a sort of little bit of roleplaying, if you will.

With luck, we'll see stronger female characters soon. At least, I hope.

Kamsaki-Myu: Hmm...I suppose a bit, at least...

Heh. I once more shamelessly promote SO3 when I say you'll find maniacal psuedoangelic bosses running around. Meet the Proclaimer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwMdzW4JgMM

Indeed! That's part of what I loved about SO3, as well as the ending part (which won't be spoiled). The Proclaimers, Executioners...It was all great. And then Luther at the end.

I know. Get something right and you always seem to find a flaw. That's one of the cons with these things. Incidently, I use Roger's Flying Torpedo a hell of a lot. Maybe I try Maria sometime...

I never tried Roger. Maybe I should.

Indeed! That's part of what I loved about SO3, as well as the ending part (which won't be spoiled). The Proclaimers, Executioners...It was all great. And then Luther at the end.
Aye. The Executioners were badass. BTW, I'm planning to use the Executioners in a future RP in International Incidents (still in the planning stages). Would you be interested in kicking their asses?

I never tried Roger. Maybe I should.
When you go into the forest right after Ameena collapses in Peterny, you should find a little house in the middle of the forest. Roger is in there captured by some bullies. Beat them and ask him to join you. I'm not sure how to get him to join you to Moonbase and beyond though.

Aye. The Executioners were badass. BTW, I'm planning to use the Executioners in a future RP in International Incidents (still in the planning stages). Would you be interested in kicking their asses?

I'm not sure how the hell we'd go about that one. After all..they can just delete us from existence.


When you go into the forest right after Ameena collapses in Peterny, you should find a little house in the middle of the forest. Roger is in there captured by some bullies. Beat them and ask him to join you. I'm not sure how to get him to join you to Moonbase and beyond though.

I remember, I just never really used him. I usually get Albel.

You can't claim to be a huge RPG fan without playing and beating Planescape: Torment.

That game is the shit.

I'm not sure how the hell we'd go about that one. After all..they can just delete us from existence.
I know, which is the beauty of fighting them. You have to figure out how to kill them with FT weapons and survive their retaliation, much less fight their anti-personnel versions. Of course, I may or may not go the 4D route. I'm more inclined to do something a bit different.

I know, which is the beauty of fighting them. You have to figure out how to kill them with FT weapons and survive their retaliation, much less fight their anti-personnel versions. Of course, I may or may not go the 4D route. I'm more inclined to do something a bit different.

It seems like a good idea, and I'd be interested to see how it plays out. With or without the 4D route, it seems just a bit daunting. Hey, but that's what makes it so fun. After all, we all know without the symbology experiments, Fayt and co. would've been screwed.

Rumors of a big baddie runs around some of my RPs (or will, soon). Hint: Play Earthbound sometime.

Chyea! Pokemon...

the Sephiroth in the game is an apparition designed to lure Cloud, the eternal fanboy, into carrying out Jenova's plot, whilst Sephiroth himself has no power his beloved mommy didn't give him.

Actually, it's made quite clear that Sephiroth's will is so strong that he's actually manipulating Jenova for those purposes, not the other way around. He's the one who controls Jenova and has it take his form as an apparition... Which is what he does to Kadaj on Advent Children. Simply put, he never really dies, and he seems to love fighting with Cloud, because he's the only living person who can actually beat him.

That said, I'm hoping there's a sequel to Advent Children, as it was particularly good.

You can't claim to be a huge RPG fan without playing and beating Planescape: Torment.

That game is shit.

Yes you can.

As for my favorite RPG?

At the moment, Oblivion is filling that role.

my favorite rocket propelled grenade? the rpg-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7) of course. On the serious side, I definitely like Betrayal at Krondor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal_at_krondor). It plays like a book.

Most of you aren't old enough to recognize this one:

Wasteland.

Most of you aren't old enough to recognize this one:

Wasteland.
Fallouts both 1 and 2 were better. You ever play Burntime, by the way?

Fallouts both 1 and 2 were better. You ever play Burntime, by the way?

I enjoyed the Fallouts greatly, but somehow they'll never take the place of Wasteland in my heart. After all, who doesn't love Doctor Scott in a suit of Pseudo-Chitin armor?

Have you heard about the new Fallout coming out?

Burntime... no I haven't. Is it related?

I enjoyed the Fallouts greatly, but somehow they'll never take the place of Wasteland in my heart. After all, who doesn't love Doctor Scott in a suit of Pseudo-Chitin armor?
That was cool. Losing your game by virtue of saving in a shop was not :p
Have you heard about the new Fallout coming out?
Damn right. Shame it's going to kick my PC's arse, really.
Burntime... no I haven't. Is it related?
It's a small-party post-apocalyptic RPG/Strategy type affair. Worth a look, Abandonia has it.

-Secret of Mana 2 (a.k.a. Seiken Densetsu 3), this one is pretty good

Where the hell did you play that!? :eek:

That was cool. Losing your game by virtue of saving in a shop was not :p

Remember how the system was that you could save your game on a separate disk but it also saved to each of the game disks when you zoned out? Well the final battle when you took the helicopter from the Citadel to Base Cochise ended in disaster for me, but the game... that evil game... made me swap out ALL didks so that it saved the attempt EVERYWHERE including my voluntary save disk. That meant I either had to start all over (again. I had to start over when I couldn't fdind the final servo for the VAX robot so I restarted and did NOT give one to the wheelchair woman) or somehow survive the battle and come back and assault Base Cochise again on foot.

I chose the latter, and of course, most of my good characters had been killed outright when they got off the helicopter (Including Dr. Scott) so it was a LOT of prep before I could return and beat the game...

But I did.

Fallout 1 was great and the first good CRPG I've played and replayed. Fallout 2 was even better (and funnier). Torment's storyline beated that of Fallout 2, even if it had less freedom. The Baldur's Gate saga (BG1-TOB) kept me busy for an even longer time than those.NWN is good, but not up to those. Morrowind, just about to find out. :)

On the 32-bit Snes generation are some of the best I've played:
-FF5(, FF6, FF2, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, yeah you all named it already. They rock.
-Secret of Mana 2 (a.k.a. Seiken Densetsu 3), this one is pretty good
-Romancing Saga 3, unique experience system and great freedom in game.
-Rudora no Hihou (a.k.a. Treasure of the Rudras), underrated and unknown, but very epic and innovative; it kicks ass.
-Live a Live, seven rpgs in one plus last chapter. Very fun and cool.

What can I say, I love snes :D

Answering the question, on an emulator (don't judge me :( ). Seiken Densetsu 3 is the more common name. Never left Japan, but still is the Secret of Mana 2. It is not a continuation, mind you, but centers around the same Sword of Mana thing again. I thought it better than the first one, which I never finished.

Where did you get the emulator? To avoid highjacking the thread, please TG me, and we can continue the discussion there.

Where the hell did you play that!? :eek:

Answering the question, on an emulator (don't judge me :( ). Seiken Densetsu 3 is the more common name. Never left Japan, but still is the Secret of Mana 2. It is not a continuation, mind you, but centers around the same Sword of Mana thing again. I thought it better than the first one, which I never finished.

Does anyone know the title of a particular maze-type computer game where the protagonist (male) has to escape some goblin's castle and has to get to the other side of a maze where IIRC, there was a spaceship waiting to take him to safety? Along the way, there were traps at almost every corner. I also remember a frog that would occasionally appear to eat him up.

When I think of RPGs, I think of the ones whose stories left the most lasting impact on me. Game mechanics are progressive, graphics are secondary to atmosphere, and like good literature; the best games are the ones whose stories are relavent long after the game itself has become obsolete.

So in no particular order:

Fallout 1 and 2: This was really the first game I ever played where the world was a sandbox, and every action reflected the final outcome of the game. Did you side with the Wright crime family? or maybe the Salvatore family? The game reflects the choices you made. New Reno could subsequently become burnt to the ground in a gang war involving laser-gun armed goons. It could become a central hub of drugs and crime. It could also be cleaned completely and turned into the premier west coast center of learning and arts. Is the New California Republic destined to stagnate? Or maybe continue its march to unite the West Coast. All of these decisions are completely influenced by the way that you play and the quests that you do, and that is what makes the Fallout series so memorable

Chrono Trigger: This game was a "perfect storm" of atmosphere, depth, and character. I have yet to play a game as colorful as this one

Final Fantasy 7: Broke the monopoly that fairy and dragons-style settings had on RPGs. For the first time, people realized that RPGs could be gritty, they could be serious, and they could be relevent.

Final Fantasy 10: While 7 was definitly more epic in scope, I felt that 10 was superior due to its more cohesive story. It's central theme revolving around the conflicts between technology, science, and religion is what makes it to this day one of my favorite all time games. That and this game was, in my opinion, Nobuo Uematsu's finest work.

Final Fantasy 4: gotta give props to the first game that made me genuinely care for its characters and play the game simply to see what happens to them in the end.

Baldur's Gate 2: Aside from its engrossing plot, which was epic enough to be enjoyable but without the "OMFG another evil being threatening to destroy Faerun!" effect that plagues so many Forgotten Realms stories, I thought its strongest aspect was its character development. It was unmeasurably satisfying to me to see how my actions could influence my party members' behavior and attitudes, as well as seeing how my influence carried them on after the adventure

Fable: this is one of the few reasons I still keep my original xbox around (dammit, Microsoft, hurry up and make Fable and Stranger's Wrath compatible with the Xbox360!) Fable somehow made you able to shape your avatar into a personable and interesting persona without his needing to utter a single word. Your actions also reflected upon you, and reflected upon the world; if you were evil, the game made sure you FELT evil! (replete with evil eyes, devil horns, and peasants running from you, screaming in terror) and if you were good, you truly felt like a hero. If Fable 2 is able to keep the best elements of the first game and overcome its flaws, then it is destined to become the most epic game ever made.

Kotor 1 and 2: This was my pick in the poll. I've played through these games too many times to count. It provided Fable's ability to truly play a character, BG2's character influencer, Fallout 2's environment influencer, and Star War's undeniable magic, to make you truly feel like you were a mover and shaker in the Star Wars Universe. The indefinite hold status of Kotor3 continues to be one of my biggest disapointments in all my years of playing games. I've never played a game that was so perfect in truly making the person feel like they were "roleplaying"

Does anyone know the title of a particular maze-type computer game where the protagonist (male) has to escape some goblin's castle and has to get to the other side of a maze where IIRC, there was a spaceship waiting to take him to safety? Along the way, there were traps at almost every corner. I also remember a frog that would occasionally appear to eat him up.
That would be ICO...I think. Did it involve escorting a Princess?

In order:
Chrono Trigger: This is the best game I have ever played, and I've played a lot of games.
FF9: Second best game I have ever played. Have not finished due to losing my PS1 memory card.
KH1: The first time I played it, this was the best game ever. I was a little kid then. It's now number three.
FFX: It was fun, what can I say?
KOTOR2: It was a good game, with a good plot. Sadly it was also very buggy, and had some big things cut.
KH2: It was also a good game, but the world hopping seemed a little more hollow then before, and they raped Aerith's voice. Also, my disk glitched up near the end, which means there was a long break between the time I almost finished it and the time I actually finished it.
FF8: The gameplay was great, the story was pretty good, up to the part I lost my memory card.
FF6: Also fun. I have not played quite to the end of this, although I've gotten close.
FF5: The main problem with this is the shallow plot (with a few exceptions). The gameplay was great. Again I have not totally played through this one.
Morrowind: I don't have a problem with the open-endedness of it. That was fine. The combat system isn't too great, and for some reason it keeps on crashing. Still pretty good though.
FF7: The best part of this game is the plot. The same plot which is plastered all over the internet. It would get a much higher rating had I played it when it first came out, but I didn't. I had to wait for the spoiler wagons to come out in force.

That is a list of all the RPGs I have played at least half of (and remember). I've played the first 5 minutes of FF1 and 4. FF1 I lost interest in because it was frankly crappy. FF4 I don't remember why I stopped playing.

KH2: It was also a good game, but the world hopping seemed a little more hollow then before, and they raped Aerith's voice. Also, my disk glitched up near the end, which means there was a long break between the time I almost finished it and the time I actually finished it.

I can explain that. See, in the first game, they had few--if any--NPCs wandering around anywhere, only because the worlds were so small it wasn't really noticeable.

But now that they're much larger in size, it becomes really noticeable. It's an error I hope they correct in the future.

Any of the Fallout series.

Traveller!


oh you mean, computer RPG?? well, morrorwind was quite ok. But not computer game stands near actual RPG (rolling dice, yeah!)

And regarding computer RPGs - why nobody has mentioned Arcanum

Is it so obscure game so no one knows it except me, or all others found it bad so it is not worth mentioning??! I found it totally great!

A RPG is a pen and paper game where you... play a role ! Not those video games....

1. Xenogears
2. LUNAR: SSSC
3. Final Fantasy IX
4. LUNAR 2: EBC
5. Grandia

and a whole bunch more. I'm a big RPG fan.

-Secret of Mana 2 (a.k.a. Seiken Densetsu 3), this one is pretty good
SD3 was great as a game, but the various stories lacked depth, I thought. I let it slide, though, because that's to be expected when you introduce as much choice into a console RPG as SD3 had.

A RPG is a pen and paper game where you... play a role ! Not those video games....
Mostly yeah, and those games that are actually RPGs tend to be a little unsatisfying. But pseudo-rpgs, where the story is preconstructed, can be interesting and fun too, even where they're more like reading an interactive book than actually role-playing.

Mostly yeah, and those games that are actually RPGs tend to be a little unsatisfying. But pseudo-rpgs, where the story is preconstructed, can be interesting and fun too, even where they're more like reading an interactive book than actually role-playing.

In that case, V:tM and Changeling: The Dreaming.

Has anybody played the new Bard's Tale? Is it worth my time/money?

That would be ICO...I think. Did it involve escorting a Princess?
I don't think so. It was an older game and on the computer, but I do remember it was in a cartoon format.

SD3 was great as a game, but the various stories lacked depth, I thought. I let it slide, though, because that's to be expected when you introduce as much choice into a console RPG as SD3 had.

Yeah I get that, I picked it more because of the fun character development system, which was unusual for its generation. The three stories ended up being standardized, but for back then it was good fun. Most others I mentioned are multi-character but have better stories than SD3, even so it was the most fun to play all the way through.

What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!The poll is bad. It lacks one of the biggest RPG series out there, BG and NWN.

Bleah... I opened this tghinking it was about RPGs not programmed computer adventure games...

...real RPGs are
1.those that come with a hyphen and a number after "RPG" :D
2.those that people play with paper sheets, pencils and dices...

Carefull - you're treading close to opening the Roll Playing vs Role Playing debate... ;)

Let us both stand firm against the usurpinping CAGers...

And don't forget combining the two ;)
http://shop.rpg.net/images/RPG/FFE2001.gif

Indeed!

Bleah... I opened this tghinking it was about RPGs not programmed computer adventure games...



Carefull - you're treading close to opening the Roll Playing vs Role Playing debate... ;)

Let us both stand firm against the usurpinping CAGers...



Indeed!

CAG? (http://www.cag.org.uk/)

Bah, most of the options aren't truly computer role-playing games because most of them don't have nonlinearity and don't have either the most important thing of all for a CRPG that is more than an interactive story with grindfest and stats:

Choices and Consequences

A linear playable story with stats and emo anime guys isn't a true RPG(Regarding the merits of the JRPGs, that is another discussion). But this is a true CRPG, the best Computer RPG EVER:

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/fallout.jpg

I am a No Mutants Allowed "Glittering Gem of Hatred" and I hate that dumbed down "RPG" called Oblivion with passion

Or isn't a game with an entirely unique retro-futurist style instead of generic Sci-Fi, Mad Max esque post-apocalyptic world, 8 or more different endings where your choices in each gameplay bring different consequences, including shaping the world around your player character and defining different fates for several cities, giving a much higher replayability than a linear JRPG, and with a storyline without black and white and "do-gooders", with time as a restraint to avoid all that trend of grinding and levelling up and to give the sensation of urgency, the best CRPG Ever?

Bah, most of the options aren't truly computer role-playing games because most of them don't have nonlinearity and don't have either the most important thing of all for a CRPG that is more than an interactive story with grindfest and stats:

Choices and Consequences

A linear playable story with stats and emo anime guys isn't a true RPG(Regarding the merits of the JRPGs, that is another discussion). But this is a true CRPG, the best Computer RPG EVER:

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/fallout.jpg

I am a No Mutants Allowed "Glittering Gem of Hatred" and I hate that dumbed down "RPG" called Oblivion with passion

Or isn't a game with an entirely unique retro-futurist style instead of generic Sci-Fi, Mad Max esque post-apocalyptic world, 8 or more different endings where your choices in each gameplay bring different consequences, including shaping the world around your player character and defining different fates for several cities, giving a much higher replayability than a linear JRPG, and with a storyline without black and white and "do-gooders", with time as a restraint to avoid all that trend of grinding and levelling up and to give the sensation of urgency, the best CRPG Ever?

RAWR!

My four equally favourites RPGs: Fallout, Fallout 2, The Witcher and Morrowind

Betrayal at Krondor

Sure Fallout 2, BG2+ToB an' IWD2 are good too....

What's your favorite RPG? I say Morrowind all the way!

I'm not sure if someone already covered this base....

But how could P&P D&D not make the list?

D&D FTW

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The poll is bad. It lacks one of the biggest RPG series out there, BG and NWN.

Not to be a stickler for details or anything....

But that is actually two games.

I fuckin' loved the KOTOR series. Morrowind was great as well. Haven't played any others though.

A RPG is a pen and paper game where you... play a role ! Not those video games....

*Nods*

Der Teutoniker draws his +3 Vorpal Pie of Uncommon Smiting, and takes aim at those who have thus far discounted Pencil and Paper games.

Attack: 1d20=18+∞= ∞
Damage: 1d4=2+∞= ∞

Yes, I actually did roll for the values listed, no an infinity bonus is not actually condoned in any Wizards of the Coast sourcebook....

Without reading any prior posts, here's my choices.

Of those in the poll? I picked Pokemon, because damn I can play the hell out of it. I bought Pearl used for DS over winter break and had a good time with it, and I'll still get out the old GBA to play Blue once in a while.

I remember the first RPG I ever played was Dragon Warrior for NES. I made the silly mistake of trading my NES for an N64 when they were new, so now I have the Dragon Warrior cartridge and search for someone selling an NES when I actually have money. :(

For computers? I play Diablo II like it's going out of style. Last semester my video card died (it was ancient) and I couldn't play, and it made me rather sad.

For GC (because I'm too broke to get a Wii, and I'm pretty loyal to Nintendo), I really love Paper Mario. It's another game that I can replay and not tire of. (Generally, Mario RPGs are pretty good.)

I know I didn't list any hard-core gamer favorites, but I think all those are pretty classic. They at least keep me entertained... you know.. when I have free time.

Without reading any prior posts, here's my choices.

Of those in the poll? I picked Pokemon, because damn I can play the hell out of it. I bought Pearl used for DS over winter break and had a good time with it, and I'll still get out the old GBA to play Blue once in a while.

I remember the first RPG I ever played was Dragon Warrior for NES. I made the silly mistake of trading my NES for an N64 when they were new, so now I have the Dragon Warrior cartridge and search for someone selling an NES when I actually have money. :(

For computers? I play Diablo II like it's going out of style. Last semester my video card died (it was ancient) and I couldn't play, and it made me rather sad.

For GC (because I'm too broke to get a Wii, and I'm pretty loyal to Nintendo), I really love Paper Mario. It's another game that I can replay and not tire of. (Generally, Mario RPGs are pretty good.)

I know I didn't list any hard-core gamer favorites, but I think all those are pretty classic. They at least keep me entertained... you know.. when I have free time.

To use the term 'gamer' correctly I'd say you're list rocked pretty well.

A gamer is not someone who plays a lot, but rather someone who gets much enjoyment out of games that have no relation to good graphics, or heavy gore content.

Also, the original Dragon Warrior rocked completely, my cousin even managed to kill a metal slime once!

To use the term 'gamer' correctly I'd say you're list rocked pretty well.

A gamer is not someone who plays a lot, but rather someone who gets much enjoyment out of games that have no relation to good graphics, or heavy gore content.

Also, the original Dragon Warrior rocked completely, my cousin even managed to kill a metal slime once!

Having a vagina and not loving Halo (or shooters in general) and/or Final Fantasy generally get me kicked out of the "real gamer" category by my friends.

If I had the time, I'd look up an emulator so I could play the original Dragon Warrior. Oh what childhood memories! Alas, school kinda eats my soul and free time these days.

KOTOR was pretty much the best game ever.

A RPG is a pen and paper game where you... play a role ! Not those video games....

I completely adore D&D!
:)

The entire Suikoden series. (4 sucks the most though)

Having a vagina and not loving Halo (or shooters in general) and/or Final Fantasy generally get me kicked out of the "real gamer" category by my friends.

HAHAHAHA

Halo... a gamers game?

Not a chance... Halo is a posers game... the same posers that all bought skateboards when they were popular, I knew a kid who owned a skateboard, and one of those fancy backbacks that are made to strap a skateboard to it... and he would walk to and from school....

The same people play Halo (as a gaming staple... to play isn't wrong, to justify one's gaming title with Halo is wrong).

Also, vagina's do not make someone not a gamer, in fact, I think by ratio there are more real gamer women than men (in relation to poser-gamers of the respective genders).

Also, vagina's do not make someone not a gamer

Nor does the overuse of the apostrophe make one a good linguist.



ZING!

HAHAHAHA

Halo... a gamers game?

Not a chance... Halo is a posers game... the same posers that all bought skateboards when they were popular, I knew a kid who owned a skateboard, and one of those fancy backbacks that are made to strap a skateboard to it... and he would walk to and from school....

The same people play Halo (as a gaming staple... to play isn't wrong, to justify one's gaming title with Halo is wrong).

Also, vagina's do not make someone not a gamer, in fact, I think by ratio there are more real gamer women than men (in relation to poser-gamers of the respective genders).

For as much as I detest Halo, I will give it credit for being a good shooter (though not as cool as Call of Duty 4- my friends' newest addiction) and a great party game. I remember in high school when Halo 2 came out, I was pretty much single for a week. Boo hiss. But playing in large groups is amusing (though drunken Mario Kart is FAR SUPERIOR).

Apart from that... I justify my gamer title with being able to beat people like redheaded stepchildren in Soul Calibur II and Smash Bros. :)

There aren't many poser-gamer females because, as a female, there are so many better ways to be fake. Like.. obsessing about the frat-tastic guys that obsess over Halo.

I justify my gamer title with being able to beat people like redheaded stepchildren in Soul Calibur II

Really? Which character(s) do you use to do so?

I'm partial to Nightmare and Mitsurugi.

Really? Which character(s) do you use to do so?

I'm partial to Nightmare and Mitsurugi.

Usually Talim, occasionally Taki.

I want spring break to be here so I can go home and play now. :(

Really? Which character(s) do you use to do so?

I'm partial to Nightmare and Mitsurugi.

Mitsurugi is' te'h pwn...'.

... sorry, and about the other apostrophe... I'm not sure where it came from....

:confused:

Mitsurugi is' te'h pwn...'.

... sorry, and about the other apostrophe... I'm not sure where it came from....

:confused:

Are apostrophes to gaming what umlauts are to metal now?

I don't mind Mitsurugi too much, but I really like smaller, faster characters. It's a lot easier to get in more hits that way.

Usually Talim, occasionally Taki.

I want spring break to be here so I can go home and play now. :(

I see your Talim and Taki and raise you Kilik and Maxi.

And as much as I love games, I'll be (likely) spending my spring break at the beach. Mwahahahaha!

Mitsurugi is' te'h pwn...'.

... sorry, and about the other apostrophe... I'm not sure where it came from....

:confused:

*kills*

I see your Talim and Taki and raise you Kilik and Maxi.

And as much as I love games, I'll be (likely) spending my spring break at the beach. Mwahahahaha!

I don't mind those two, but like I said before... smaller, faster characters.

Hey, while I'll spend half of my spring break gaming like a fool, I'm going to stay at a hotel on the beach in Gulf Shores for free for the last part. (Basketball tournaments ftw! I'm actually getting paid to go on this trip, technically.) Plus, I think going to Bonnaroo this summer more than makes up for a slow, uneventful spring break.

i don't think mine exists yet.

other kinds of tecnological and infrastructure sims do more for me.

i wish there WERE a roll playing game that would sim the kind of world i dream about.

of course i'm awair of the challanges of making it playalbe and appealing, of creating a market for it. and it probbably would pretty much need a whole new entirely different kind of a market then there currently exists for the kind rpg's that there are.

=^^=
.../\...

Final Fantasy IX.
The one PS game I liked, and the only reason I have an emulator for any Sony consoles on my laptop.

Planescape: Torment was brilliant.
As was Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance.

I loved the Baldurs Gate & Fallout games.

My favourite RPG on console is probably FF9 or Shadow Hearts Covenant.

On the handheld, probably Pokemon Gold b/c I beat that game 14 times when I was little. But unfortunately my save battery fried so I gave the game away. :(

On the PC, I have to say either Diablo II, Neverwinter Nights 1 and exp packs, or Oblivion.

My four equally favourites RPGs: Fallout, Fallout 2, The Witcher and Morrowind

Is the witcher any good? They had it set up at bestbuy the other day on one of their $4000 machines but I just stared at the water reflections because they were so pretty. :P

Why isn't WOW on the poll? It's THE rpg of the now times. Bigger than D&D of the 70's-80's.

My fav RPG's were

Legend of Dragoon(Playstation)
Suikoden 1 and II(Playstation)
Final Fantasy 7(Playstation)
Zelda Ocarina of Time(N64)
Secret of Mana(SNES)
Shadowrun(SNES)


I have not played a good one recently apart from WoW. But that was taking too much of my life away so now I mostly stick with First Person shooters.

Why isn't WOW on the poll? It's THE rpg of the now times. Bigger than D&D of the 70's-80's.

My fav RPG's were

Legend of Dragoon(Playstation)
Suikoden 1 and II(Playstation)
Final Fantasy 7(Playstation)
Zelda Ocarina of Time(N64)
Secret of Mana(SNES)
Shadowrun(SNES)


I have not played a good one recently apart from WoW. But that was taking too much of my life away so now I mostly stick with First Person shooters.

I heard wow is mostly a level grind. Plus this thread is more about single player RPGs. :)