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Bill Clinton: Obama's ignoring my White House legacy

Wilgrove
17-02-2008, 02:42
NACOGDOCHES, Texas (AP) — Former President Clinton on Friday accused Sen. Barack Obama, his wife's rival for the Democratic nomination, of trying to ignore any accomplishments they achieved during their years in the White House.

"You have one candidate who's made the explicit argument that the only way we can change America is to move into a post-partisan future and therefore we have to eliminate from consideration for the presidency anybody who made good things happen in the '90s or stopped bad things from happening in this decade," said Clinton, who was winding up a day of East Texas campaign appearances for his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"It doesn't matter how much good you did," the former president said at Stephen F. Austin University. "We've got to get rid of you because you had to fight to make something good happen. You had to fight to stop something bad from happening. And if you fought, you made somebody mad, we ought to give you an old watch and retire you. You can't possibly make a contribution to America's future."

Without mentioning Obama by name, Clinton said the Illinois senator was promoting a position that it's "actually an advantage to not have any experience because you've not made anybody mad."

"It's been very effective," Clinton said. "It's already taken four good candidates out. It would have taken Hillary out if she didn't have so much grass-roots support and so much guts."

Clinton said his wife's position is to "bridge the party divides when we can, but we also need to be prepared to fight."


Earlier in the day, Clinton said Democratic voters who support Obama over his wife in the March 4 Texas primary are missing out on an opportunity to back a universal health care system for the nation.

"It would be truly tragic if the Democratic Party walked away from universal health care for the first time in 60 years when we finally got the business community and the medical community in line behind us," Clinton said in Texarkana.

Hillary Clinton's health plan would require everyone to have health insurance and would provide government assistance to people who can't afford it. Obama has proposed government subsidies to help people buy insurance, but he doesn't mandate that they purchase it. Her campaign says Obama's plan would leave up to 15 million people without insurance.

"Her opponent excites more Americans … but would in fact deny us universal health care coverage for the first time," the former president told about 200 people in a gymnasium of a Texarkana community center. "She represents the solution business."

Responding to the criticism, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said: "Now that Senator Clinton's campaign is floundering, the old Bill Clinton has returned with yet another false accusation about Barack Obama of the kind that failed his wife's campaign in South Carolina. Senator Ted Kennedy, who has made health care a cause of his career, said that he wouldn't have endorsed Barack Obama unless he was 'absolutely convinced' he would deliver universal health care as president."

The former president also touched on the war in Iraq, saying indecision by the Iraqi government forces the U.S. to keep its combat troops there.

"If they think we are going to stay there forever and a day, they have no incentive to fix them," Clinton said. "If we stay there, we are not doing them any favors."

Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/16/bill-clinton-obamas-ignoring-my-white-house-legacy/)

Ok, I just have one thing to say here. Why the hell does it matter what Bill Clinton did in his year in office when his wife Hillary is the one that's running? Because the last time I check, they are two seperate people who have two seperate set of minds. The only way that Bill's Legacy can even matter at this point is A. Hillary is actually Bill in drag and B. Bill and Hillary actually share a hive mind.

I think Bill is hurting Hillary's chances with this talk about His legacy, even though it has NOTHING to do with Hillary's campaign.
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 02:43
Agreed.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
17-02-2008, 02:46
Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/16/bill-clinton-obamas-ignoring-my-white-house-legacy/)

Ok, I just have one thing to say here. Why the hell does it matter what Bill Clinton did in his year in office when his wife Hillary is the one that's running? Because the last time I check, they are two seperate people who have two seperate set of minds. The only way that Bill's Legacy can even matter at this point is A. Hillary is actually Bill in drag and B. Bill and Hillary actually share a hive mind.

I think Bill is hurting Hillary's chances with this talk about His legacy, even though it has NOTHING to do with Hillary's campaign.

I remember when I first came on and I never thought that you and I would ever agree on anything. But now, yet again, it has happen. Seconded (or thirded or whatever number was reached in the time it took me to respond)
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 02:46
Close, but not quite.

In 2007 AD, they merged into Billary.

:eek:
Lunatic Goofballs
17-02-2008, 02:48
Obama has no hope of matching Bill's legacy. Has he fucked a Miss America yet? No. Case closed. :p
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 02:49
Oh, and how would ignoring Clinton's "legacy" be a bad thing? The U.S. sanctions that killed half a million Iraqis, the terrorist war in the Balkans, and U.S. support of Laurent Kabila are hardly a legacy worth honoring.
Jayate
17-02-2008, 02:51
A. Hillary is actually Bill in drag and B. Bill and Hillary actually share a hive mind.

Close, but not quite.

In 2007 AD, they merged into Billary.
Port Arcana
17-02-2008, 02:56
Looks like Clinton is getting desperate. :)
Wilgrove
17-02-2008, 03:05
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?

Apparently not. I think the Clintons are banking that people will still be woo'ed by his Charisma.

It's failing, hard.
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 03:06
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?

If that's true, then don't tell them. Obama's far preferrable to Hillary.
Wilgrove
17-02-2008, 03:07
Obama has no hope of matching Bill's legacy. Has he fucked a Miss America yet? No. Case closed. :p

He fucked a Miss America? I demand proof!
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 03:08
He fucked a Miss America? I demand proof!

I second this.
The South Islands
17-02-2008, 03:10
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?
Carbandia
17-02-2008, 03:12
Does Bill even care if he knew?

Sometimes I wonder if he really is on her side in this..
Lunatic Goofballs
17-02-2008, 03:12
He fucked a Miss America? I demand proof!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gracen


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kYxO51ibL._AA240_.jpg

http://www.angelic.org/highlander/pics/amandalacey.jpg

:)
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 03:14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gracen


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kYxO51ibL._AA240_.jpg

:)

Thank Christ you didn't mean Monica...

Edit: Not that Elizabeth Gracen is much to look at, but still.
Jayate
17-02-2008, 03:16
Obama has no hope of matching Bill's legacy. Has he fucked a Miss America yet? No. Case closed. :p

No. Obama doesn't like fat women.


BURN
Lunatic Goofballs
17-02-2008, 03:27
Thank Christ you didn't mean Monica...

Edit: Not that Elizabeth Gracen is much to look at, but still.

Well she's no Marilyn Monroe, but on the bright side, she's no Monica Lewinski either. :p
Kyronea
17-02-2008, 03:28
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?

No, and don't you dare tell them. It's fun watching them sabotage their own campaign.
Conserative Morality
17-02-2008, 03:28
B. Bill and Hillary actually share a hive mind.

In 2007 AD, they merged into Billary
"We are Billary. Do not try to resist universal healthcare. You will be assimilated"
Wilgrove
17-02-2008, 03:28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gracen


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kYxO51ibL._AA240_.jpg

http://www.angelic.org/highlander/pics/amandalacey.jpg

:)

and I thought he only like Porky women.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-02-2008, 03:32
and I thought he only like Porky women.

He seemed to get more desperate as time went by. ELizabeth Gracen > Gennifer Flowers > Paula Jones > Monica Lewinski. I guess when you're under the kind of public scrutiny the President is under, you lean to settle for what you can get. :p

JFK had tighter lipped cohorts. *nod*
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 03:34
and I thought he only like Porky women.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/PetuniaPig.jpg
Cannot think of a name
17-02-2008, 03:50
Didn't she ask us to more or less do so? That she was running for the Hillary presidency, not the Bill presidency?

I can't find the quote so it's a little hard for me to map exactly how much of Bill we're suppose to give to Hillary.


I should say that it is not an 'all or nothing' proposal. She was a very engaged first lady and she didn't spend those eight years darning sox and holding tea parties. You can't possibly be that close to the presidency and not have some influence or be influenced by it. But that doesn't necessarily give a clear picture of how well you'd handle the job yourself, even if they guy you watched do it is just as close as you were at the time.
Andaras
17-02-2008, 05:36
It's quite funny to me that Americans keep up with the infantile (and yet in reality non-existent) partisan divisions, and keep electing different governments in which literally nothing systematically changes in society, it's sad really...
Tongass
17-02-2008, 05:47
It's quite funny to me that Americans keep up with the infantile (and yet in reality non-existent) partisan divisions, and keep electing different governments in which literally nothing systematically changes in society, it's sad really...

And which vastly superior nation are you from?
Jayate
17-02-2008, 05:57
It's quite funny to me that Americans keep up with the infantile (and yet in reality non-existent) partisan divisions, and keep electing different governments in which literally nothing systematically changes in society, it's sad really...

I thought that economic boosts, war, poverty, the end of a Depression, record-low unemployment, etc. were changes in society.
Gigantic Leprechauns
17-02-2008, 13:49
It's quite funny to me that Americans keep up with the infantile (and yet in reality non-existent) partisan divisions, and keep electing different governments in which literally nothing systematically changes in society, it's sad really...

I actually agree with you here.
Corneliu 2
17-02-2008, 14:13
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?

guess not
Cannot think of a name
17-02-2008, 14:33
Has no one told them that going on the offensive against Obama like that plays right into his hands?

This would be the test, I guess. If going negative is going to work against Obama, best find out now. If going negative against Obama only makes him stronger then we know and can look forward to an entertaining general election campaign.
Khadgar
17-02-2008, 15:42
And which vastly superior nation are you from?

He's Soviet, or wishes he was.
Pelagoria
18-02-2008, 09:22
"We are Billary. Do not try to resist universal healthcare. You will be assimilated"

Please don't hurt me! :D

but seroiusly, being a shitty president is NOT a good legacy :D
Cameroi
18-02-2008, 10:21
legacy schmegacy, there ain't been any of em in the white house worth a dam in my life time except maybe carter and jfk. well i guess i was alive when truman was just ending his too. though at one year old i didn't have enough access to know what was going on to really know. i'll grant him a gold star postumusly, i just have to disqualify myself from any claim of being awaire of him at the time.

there hasn't been one republican worth a dam and only two or three of the democrates. of course no one gets in who'se any kind of a saint either. what i would call a saint in my book. or i should say hasn't yet in my almost 60 years.

myricles may yet happen. gonna have to if we don't want our species to self destruct.

poor old mr bill. hell he can have all the hoe's he wants with his pockets, or whatever else he does. i don't see what he's got to bitch about. i think he did sort of try to reverse some of the damage caused by raygun that bush one only slowed down on but did nothing to actually reverse.

i wish to god he'd have said "hell yes i inhailed, and it was a damd good blow job too". THEN i'd salute his legacy and proudly.

if right wing loonies can brag about what anyone with a conscience and half a brain would be ashaimed of, and completely twist that arround and try to pretend that's what's right, and giving a dam about real suffering and harm is somehow weak or lame, why the hell can't we throw in their face what is really harmless and what is really detrimental to all of humankind?

they claim to have one book of one belief on their side, but if anyone actually read it, they'd know they were lying through their teeth to claim anything of the kind. and anyone who fallows the money trail knows the real reason why they do.

so bills legacy, well, the best that can be said for it is that he took the oath of office to uphold, or at least abide by, the constitution, more seriously and honestly then any republican ever has in my lifetime. although i'll grant you isenhour and ford didn't attack and try to dismantle it directly. and those were the only republicans in my life time who did not, what i would consider, commit treason, against it.

yes bill's legacy is a little less dirty then nixxon or raygun. and a lot less then bush two. but why oh why oh why, would he really want us to remember it beyond that?

you know, if he wants to be remembered, he should do like carter is still doing at HIS age, and get involved in front line activism and actually making people's lives better on the ground, where we all live.

=^^=
.../\...
Kamsaki-Myu
18-02-2008, 12:18
Close, but not quite.

In 2007 AD, they merged into Billary.
Man, I would give anything to see them do the fusion dance.

Edit: No, not that one. Sickos. ¬¬;
Laerod
18-02-2008, 12:32
The idea of legacy in any modern 'democratic' country is at best ludicrous, every incoming government always does aways with the legacy of the first because they couldn't have come to power without discrediting it.Except countries with term limits.
Andaras
18-02-2008, 12:32
The idea of legacy in any modern 'democratic' country is at best ludicrous, every incoming government always does aways with the legacy of the first because they couldn't have come to power without discrediting it.
Katganistan
18-02-2008, 14:40
Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/16/bill-clinton-obamas-ignoring-my-white-house-legacy/)

Ok, I just have one thing to say here. Why the hell does it matter what Bill Clinton did in his year in office when his wife Hillary is the one that's running? Because the last time I check, they are two seperate people who have two seperate set of minds. The only way that Bill's Legacy can even matter at this point is A. Hillary is actually Bill in drag and B. Bill and Hillary actually share a hive mind.

I think Bill is hurting Hillary's chances with this talk about His legacy, even though it has NOTHING to do with Hillary's campaign.

Because, you fool, the Clinton ROYALTY want the castle again! Never mind that it's NOT a monarchy!