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OK, that's a spoof title, and you all knew that just to look at it. But: how did you KNOW that was a spoof title? When I saw this on the other "Kansas" thread:
If they were 'Teh Ebil Moslems', I bet this thread would be 10 pages long by now. :p
my immediate reaction was, "Well yeah, but that's because if this story was from Saudi Arabia, it would be about putting the woman to death for daring to do what only a man 'should' do." Except I didn't post it, at the time, since I get accused of being an anti-Muslim bigot quite enough as it is. Eventually the "Kansas" thread degenerated into me and Snafturi losing our tempers at each other over him thinking me an anti-Kansan bigot.

This seems to come up a lot. My point has been that certain places tend to generate certain kinds of "bad story":
If the story involves someone put to death or threatened with death for doing what the rest of us think is normal behavior, it is going to be from a Muslim country: is it anti-Muslim bigotry to say so?
If the story involves a motivelessly angry student who should never have had a gun mowing down a dozen classmates, the university or high school is going to be in the United States: is it anti-American bigotry to say so?
If the bad story is from an inner city, it is going to involve someone killed for a very petty theft or a petty perceived-insult, or a killer with an eyebrow-raising young age.
If the bad story is from Israel-Palestine, it is going to involve people killed in murky circumstances, with arguments not just about who to blame but about what the basic facts of the case even are.
And if the bad story is from Kansas, it is going to involve a fringy little Christian cult with astonishingly backward views: hey, at least Kansan lunatics don't kill a bunch of people (since the 1850's anyhow).

Is it impolite to point out the affiliation or location of the perpetrators? It doesn't seem to be enough anymore to say "Yes I know that all/most [Muslims, American students, inner-city kids...] aren't cold-blooded killers"; it is required that you buy into a "No True Scotsman" ("those aren't real Kansans/whatever").

OK, that's a spoof title, and you all knew that just to look at it. But: how did you KNOW that was a spoof title?
Kansas might be full of backwards retards, but it's no Saudi Arabia.

Kansas might be full of backwards retards, but it's no Saudi Arabia.
You anti-Saudi bigot, you!

You anti-Saudi bigot, you!
Can we have a moritorium on the word 'bigot'? (yes, I know you're probably joking)

It would be so awesome to have a week at NSG without having it turn into a BIGOT-off.

*sighs*

A man can dream, I suppose.

It would be so awesome to have a week at NSG without having it turn into a BIGOT-off.

well so far nobody has commented on the absurdity of having a female referee so that's good :p

You're a backward retard by generalizing a population based on a media's over exaggerated representation and an arbitrary geographic area.
No, YOU'RE a backwards retard because... err...

*runs*

You're a backward retard by generalizing a population based on a media's over exaggerated representation and an arbitrary geographic area.

I'm sorry isn't Kansas the one with the vicious strain of I.D and all that dry county priest with rabies-ism

yeah you where so asking for that :p

Kansas might be full of backwards retards, but it's no Saudi Arabia.
You're a backward retard by generalizing a population based on a media's over exaggerated representation and an arbitrary geographic area.

Kansas is full of some of the most intelligent, witty people I know, and they're far ahead of you who just look at headlines and judge an entire population (or at least make generalizations that it's 'full of this' or 'has a lot of that') without even bothering to go there yourself and talk to the locals and make up your own mind.

Is it impolite to point out the affiliation or location of the perpetrators? It doesn't seem to be enough anymore to say "Yes I know that all/most [Muslims, American students, inner-city kids...] aren't cold-blooded killers"; it is required that you buy into a "No True Scotsman" ("those aren't real Kansans/whatever").
no, but by pointing out any affiliation/location will draw in 'bigot' comments. heck, you try focus a story on another country and you'll have some idiots coming in saying "well, if you look at America..." or "hey at least they aren't like USians..."

look around in the threads and someone always brings up Muslims/Christians/Atheists/FSM/etc... or some such. so it will happen.

Ok, folks let's substitute the word dogmatist for the B word this week just for Yoot.
To be honest, if anyone's argument hinges on "You're a bigot" instead of something like "actually, there are only 3 Arabs in Estonia with outspokenly violent beliefs", I'll be a bit sad :p

Did anyone notice this church is in Kansas and Westboro Baptist Church is in Kansas? Is there something in the water in Kansas that the rest of us don't know about? :p

Can we have a moritorium on the word 'bigot'? (yes, I know you're probably joking)

It would be so awesome to have a week at NSG without having it turn into a BIGOT-off.

*sighs*

A man can dream, I suppose.

Ok, folks let's substitute the word dogmatist for the B word this week just for Yoot.

OK, that's a spoof title, and you all knew that just to look at it. But: how did you KNOW that was a spoof title? When I saw this on the other "Kansas" thread:

my immediate reaction was, "Well yeah, but that's because if this story was from Saudi Arabia, it would be about putting the woman to death for daring to do what only a man 'should' do." Except I didn't post it, at the time, since I get accused of being an anti-Muslim bigot quite enough as it is. Eventually the "Kansas" thread degenerated into me and Snafturi losing our tempers at each other over him thinking me an anti-Kansan bigot.

This seems to come up a lot. My point has been that certain places tend to generate certain kinds of "bad story":
If the story involves someone put to death or threatened with death for doing what the rest of us think is normal behavior, it is going to be from a Muslim country: is it anti-Muslim bigotry to say so?
See, here's where you're getting confused:

You're mixing up countries and religion. Saudi Arabia isn't Islam, just as Italy isn't Christianity. Something being outlawed and punished by death does not mean it's gonna be outlawed and face the same punishment in another muslim country. So your generalization that "The muslims are doing something silly again" is, if not bigotry, at least ignorant and inaccurate - if it's an issue that doesn't hold to be something universal to Islam (including most of the subsects).

For example, being punished for being alone together with a man who's not in your family - is that a muslim thing or a Saudi Arabian (and perhaps some other countries) thing? Well, will you be punished in Malaysia, Egypt or Libya if you do the same? No? Then it's not a muslim thing, even if it's based on Islam.


If the story involves a motivelessly angry student who should never have had a gun mowing down a dozen classmates, the university or high school is going to be in the United States: is it anti-American bigotry to say so?
No, it's playing the odds. But it's also inaccurate, since it happens elsewhere too.

If the bad story is from an inner city, it is going to involve someone killed for a very petty theft or a petty perceived-insult, or a killer with an eyebrow-raising young age.
...which is why it would make the news? Because the news don't really care to report that two drug dealers have tried to kill each other over drugs, deeming it not newsworthy?


Is it impolite to point out the affiliation or location of the perpetrators? It doesn't seem to be enough anymore to say "Yes I know that all/most [Muslims, American students, inner-city kids...] aren't cold-blooded killers"; it is required that you buy into a "No True Scotsman" ("those aren't real Kansans/whatever").
It's not impolite - but it should be relevant and accurate.

Can we have a moritorium on the word 'bigot'? (yes, I know you're probably joking)

It would be so awesome to have a week at NSG without having it turn into a BIGOT-off.

*sighs*

A man can dream, I suppose.

Can we have a moritorium on bigotry first, please? That would be something new and refreshing...

(Not directed at you :fluffle:)

Did anyone notice this church is in Kansas and Westboro Baptist Church is in Kansas? Is there something in the water in Kansas that the rest of us don't know about? :p


I knew that those motherfuckers that try to give us good Baptists a bad name exists. * rips a picture of Fred Phelps *

Ok, folks let's substitute the word dogmatist for the B word this week just for Yoot. I prefer to use the word "Idiot".

Damn timewarp >.<

I'm sorry isn't Kansas the one with the vicious strain of I.D and all that dry county priest with rabies-ism

Fred Phelps and the Kansas Board of Education is hardly any representation of Kansas.

In fact, just yesterday a bunch of Kansans showed up to a nearby highschool to protest Fred Phelps by dressing flamboyantly and holding a dance party in front of where he was supposed to speak.

I prefer to use the word "Idiot".

How about "idiot dogmatist" then?

How about "idiot dogmatist" then?

... if you want. I'll stick with Idiots... shorter to type. :p

You should make a distinction between muslim nations, and muslim nations implementing Sharia law. Sharia law is the farce of justice where women are stoned for wearing pants. Admittedly it is not racist, nor anti-[insert] to state where its from. Thats leftardism at its worst. I am centrist, i dont believe in right or left wing views, i think the idea of wearing an idealogy like a hat is moronic. It limits your ability to make the RIGHT decision.

So I applaud anyone who mentions where the idiotic crimes or actions come from. Because we cannot hide the truth simply to appease some leftist or even right wing viewpoint that it is bigoted. It isnt..facts are facts, they dont hurt anyone on purpose..they simply are. The moment we start hiding facts to appease some misguided sense of acceptance and tolerance, is the day we might as well end our civilisation. The truth hurts...deal with it. Also, we cant hide the facts and play nice cause some religious zealots get offended. After all religion is a limiting factor in humanity. Its a simple control mechanism dating back to the times when tribal chiefs were chosen by "shamans" who in turn were told by the "ancestors" who should lead the tribe. Religion is not only often ridiculous, but it hurts humanities potential by allowing a cabal of old, crazy men to run the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

After all uneccessary things like facts only get in the way of religion/Private interest. Those self same religious leaders will then try to hurt anyone, in anyway for whatever facts they may have stated. Though seriously...even islam and sharia law isnt as bad as Scientology. Those people are evil, twisted psycopaths who have murdered several people after draining them dry of all their money. They infiltrated the IRS and will indeed punish those who oppose them any way they can. Now that I said this, Is it wrong for me to say it? Is it offensive? Or are the facts [it takes 385 000 dollars to reach "enlightenment" in scientology.] simply facts. According to most religion/government/private interest groups, facts are only useful if they support their cause. The truth is..facts dont lie..they are simple truths.

Anyone that would argue with you because you said a FACT about what happens with religious nuts in Kansas..is wrong. Its a fact, you cant argue it.

as a side note as well. here is some videos on scientology.VERY enlightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3SfSs18D1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

OK, that's a spoof title...
Your title, It looks like a breaking news title.. and its 100% spoof.
It does not even try to reflect reality.

You should ask the mods to delete it.
Why? because if everyone starts to post spoof titles, NSG will become something completely different.

OK, that's a spoof title, and you all knew that just to look at it. But: how did you KNOW that was a spoof title? When I saw this on the other "Kansas" thread:

my immediate reaction was, "Well yeah, but that's because if this story was from Saudi Arabia, it would be about putting the woman to death for daring to do what only a man 'should' do." Except I didn't post it, at the time, since I get accused of being an anti-Muslim bigot quite enough as it is.

I'll give yo the same advice I've given homophobes in the homosexuality threads. If you want people to not call you a bigot, don't say bigoted things.

I'll give yo the same advice I've given homophobes in the homosexuality threads. If you want people to not call you a bigot, don't say bigoted things.
I refuse to consider it "bigoted" to point out that these things DO happen in Saudi Arabia, or to point out that Saudi Arabia IS a Muslim country and cites religious motivations for what it does. I keep putting in all the boiler-plate "Of course I don't mean that all Muslim countries are like Saudi Arabia or that all Saudis agree with what their government does..." like I am a legal draftsman preparing disclaimers on a product warranty-- but that never helps. Apparently I am not allowed to say that such things do happen in parts of the Muslim world, or to say that certain Christians are quite crazed, or that there is an abnormal amount of gun violence in the US.

I don't think pretending these things aren't so is at all helpful. The first step to recovery is: Admit that you have a problem!

So, am I the only one who didn't get that this wasn't going to be about some Kansas woman who got executed?

Apparently I am not allowed to say that such things do happen in parts of the Muslim world, or to say that certain Christians are quite crazed, or that there is an abnormal amount of gun violence in the US.

On NSG, sometimes pointing out the facts will get you labeled a bigot by the liberal left members. However, you must realize their rants against moderates and conservatives are never, ever, in any way bigoted. :rolleyes:

I don't think pretending these things aren't so is at all helpful. The first step to recovery is: Admit that you have a problem!

You are correct. To the liberal left the moderates and right are the problem. :(

You're a backward retard by generalizing a population based on a media's over exaggerated representation and an arbitrary geographic area.

Snip

Generalization based on geography is not really any sillier concept than governmental representation based on geographic area ...

And sense that governmental representation has a tenancy to make easier the views of the constituency of that geographic area it is not completely without merit to say that there are statistical tenancies in a geographic area

On NSG, sometimes pointing out the facts will get you labeled a bigot by the liberal left members.
But I AM a liberal left member!!!

"OK, that's a spoof title, and you all knew that just to look at it. But: how did you KNOW that was a spoof title?"

to the contrary. i did NOT know anything of the kind. nor, with what has usurped the political proccess in america these past eight years, though of course, planting its roots many more decades ago then that, at least as far back as mccarthyism, it has it remained anything we can take for granted to dismiss out of hand, but rather the sort of thing we will all need to be concerned about until we are no longer dominated by a culture more paranoid of ending or even diminishing its self destruction, then the harm it is causing to our species very means of existence, let alone its pretence of freedom and security.

=^^=
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Kansas might be full of backwards retards, but it's no Saudi Arabia.

...yet. ;)

So, am I the only one who didn't get that this wasn't going to be about some Kansas woman who got executed?

What? You mean you didn't figure out the title was supposed to be a snide remark emphasising that only t3h 3b1l m0zl3mz oppress and execute women?

Kansas might be full of backwards retards, but it's no Saudi Arabia.

That's true: less oil, more water.
And does Saudi Arabia have tornadoes?

*starts to imagine a version of 'The Wizard of Oz' in which Dorothy was from Saudi Arabia* ;)

That's true: less oil, more water.
And does Saudi Arabia have tornadoes?

*starts to imagine a version of 'The Wizard of Oz' in which Dorothy was from Saudi Arabia* ;)
She'd be executed for walking down the Yellow Brick Road with three unrelated males, as well as for consorting with a so-called "good" witch.

What? You mean you didn't figure out the title was supposed to be a snide remark emphasising that only t3h 3b1l m0zl3mz oppress and execute women?

Well, it is Kansas.