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Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.

I've heard of it.

Don't remember where, it's been a while.

I read it. It's good for my German and also to get another perspective on things. (The same reason I read BBC....though not the German part:p)

Neu Leonstein introduced it to me years ago.

It's not important at all in America, I'd say 90% of Americans will live their lives never knowing that it exists.

I read it. It's good for my German and also to get another perspective on things. (The same reason I read BBC....though not the German part:p)

Neu Leonstein introduced it to me years ago.

It's not important at all in America, I'd say 90% of Americans will live their lives never knowing that it exists.

Exactly! Before NSG, you've never heard of it.

Exactly! Before NSG, you've never heard of it.

True....but I was also much younger....

Its up there with the NYT, certainly. BBC isn't a paper though, so that's a bit different. If you're an American though, you don't hear about other news networks so much.

Ja, I've heard of it. I read it occasionally.

I would say that Der Spiegel is on par with the NYT or BBC. My own experience with it goes back about 20 years, when I began studying German in high school. Had I not chosen to study German, though, I would probably not be aware of it existence.

I read it fairly often, but then, I'm a nerd.

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.


When you're older and know more, and are better-read, you'll recognize it.

Der Spiegel? I always thought that it was the German equivalent of Time magazine.

Well, it's one of my four usual news sources. I've got BBC for the latest, SBS World News on TV, The Economist for business, economics and political analysis and Spiegel for news from Europe and Germany in particular.

But I wouldn't blame people for not knowing it. Its main language is German, the English content is mainly translations and only available on the website. And Americans have a hard time looking outside for news sources anyways, since they constantly get bombarded by domestic providers who claim to have all the stories.

I've heard of it, though only through Nationstates. You'll find that Americans generally tend to only be aware of the extremely popular foreign news sources like the BBC...I doubt they'd know about Al-Jazeera if it weren't for Bin Laden's tapes.

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.
It is, so he's right.

I heard about it... Well, I don't know. I think I might have been around 8 at the time. And I read it periodically online today.

I've heard of it, but I used to work at a store with a huge magazine section. I've also heard of Shuz and Pen World, so, you know...

I can't say I've sat in many conversations that started with or involved the phrase, "Well, in the latest issue of De Spiegel..." (and no, not all my conversations involve the phrase, "Did you see the episode of the Simpsons where...")

Before NSG, if you'd said 'Der Speigel' I'd have said 'the German news publication?' but that was about it. Of course, since I know nothing about German news publications, the fact that Der Speigel rang a bell meant I was aware it was pretty important.

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.Heard of it. I don't usually read it or watch the show. But they started featuring commercials on CNN international for the international version, so I can imagine it will be known among the more travelled and businessy types out there.

Poll Ahoy.It sucks.

I've heard of it, here in England: It's occasionally cited as a source by British news media, and some of the larger newsagents -- especially those at London's railway terminals, as far as my personal knowledge goes -- stock it alongside various other foreign publications of importance.

Yes, and it's quite a good read, if you're into that kind of thing. Lots of uncovering political scandals, a decent amount of 'regular' news.

And Willy Brandt called it a Scheißblatt, which amuses me to no end, although he might have had a point, seeing as their stance is basically being against whoever is currently at the top, and calling for radical reform, before completely rescinding such thoughts.

Der Spiegel? I always thought that it was the German equivalent of Time magazine.
Pretty much.

It's a weekly news and such magazine, which runs excellent articles on The Decline of Germany, from whatever perspective.

Nearly got shut down in 1962 after looking into the Bundeswehr and reporting that it was chronically underprepared for any Soviet advance over Europe, as a matter of fact. The editors got arrested for treason, and the magazine's offices got raided.

I'd be very surprised if a significant amount of people on NSG hadn't heard of Der Spiegel. My only possible explanation would be that they must have Neu Leonstein on ignore.

heard of it. seen it in periodicals section in college libraries. i don't read the deutchie except a teney tiney bit, but looked at the pictures and puzzled some of it out.

it seemed willing to cover issues you don't see covered in the american press.

even without being able to actually read it, it looked interesting enough to at least look at most of the pictures.

there was another german news magazene of some kind there too that looked pretty good, i forget what it was called.

mostly i'm more interested in tecnology focused stuff, and environmental, then political and economic news as such, but i'll look at almost anything if it looks interesting to me.

=^^=
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I frequently read their weekly printed version and read their online version several times a day.

And yes, I have known about http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/DER_SPIEGEL.jpg even before the internet existed.

It definitely is a German/European heavyweight, but you have to keep in mind that it's a weekly news journal.

I've heard of it, from NSG and German class.

Huh, there seems to be a fair amount of disagreement in this thread. Interesting.

I, for one, being German myself, would absolutely not group it together with the New York Times but rather agree with Vandal-Unknown:
Der Spiegel? I always thought that it was the German equivalent of Time magazine.
That pretty much describes it perfectly.

Another thing that needs pointing out, I think, is that yes, it is objectively just as important for Germany as the Time Magazine is for the US; just as Le Monde is just as important for France as the New York Times for the US - but Time Magazine and the New York Times will still be more widely known and more often cited in a worldwide comparison.

Not because they necessarily have more important things to say on international matters but because their national US news is of much more importance to the rest of the world than the national happenings in Germany or France usually are, simply because way too many things going on in the US internally will come to have an effect on the rest of the world.

From subprime loans that are still shaking the international banking system to Bible Belt evangelical Christians whose votes and lobbyists succeed in cutting funds for developmental aid programs that try to fight AIDS by increasing condom use to a war-mongering president who got voted into office through a mix between arcane state voting procedures and a populace scared shitless after an actual attack in their usually so safely removed country - all these things are quintessentially internal US politics and yet the rest of the world feels their reverberations every day and is well advised to keep track of what's going on in the US.

And that's why so many more people in the world have heard of the New York Times or Time Magazine than have heard of Le Monde or the Spiegel and why the former are most of the time a lot more important on the global scale than the latter.

I'd be very surprised if a significant amount of people on NSG hadn't heard of Der Spiegel. My only possible explanation would be that they must have Neu Leonstein on ignore.:p

Do you think Der Spiegel is a major publication as Fass claims?
I certainly think that it is a "major" publication insofar as that it has gained international recognition, like someone said already in this thread that it has been featured on CNN etc., and if you have a working knowledge of international papers, you'll certainly know it.

He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

With this, I'll disagree, albeit from a German perspective. Der Spiegel may or may not be similarly widespread internationally (though I personally doubt that), but it certainly attains neither the quality nor the regularity (it is, after all, a weekly magazine) of these two media outlets.

I agree with Wittig that the comparison t the Times magazine is way more apt.

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European.depends of your definition of "international significance", in my opinion DS is Internationally Significant.
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So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? I heard first about it in Bruxelles.
The only apparent person I know who uses it as a main source is Neo.
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I've only seen it on NSG.That may be because at NSG we encourage each other to show our sources..

It may be that a lot of your friends and my friends think very highly of *** and even subscribe to *** but they simply dont tell us about it.
For example, I almost never tell my friends that I use YahooNEWS for my anglosphere news.
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He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.well it is a mighty publication... but it does not have the reach and the influence of the BBC, not even close.

I love their christmas catalogs. :)

He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

And you lie. I would not deem the BBC a publication because I know it's not, nor would I equate a quotidian newspaper with an hebdomadal magazine.

I've heard of Der Spiegel, mainly from NSG, though I've also seen it referenced on The Colbert Report.
Oh, and that guy in Das Leben der Anderen got his article on East German suicide published through them.

I wouldn't say that Der Spiegel is on par with the BBC, but that's like saying something isn't as wet as the Pacific Ocean.

I have heard of it, here in Australia it is usually the source used by the more credible national papers, not just for German News but also European News and occaisonly studies and findings on various things are reprinted from the original article by Der Spiegel.

And you lie. I would not deem the BBC a publication because I know it's not, nor would I equate a quotidian newspaper with an hebdomadal magazine.

*Finds dictionary*

*Whacks random bystanders with it*

I've heard of it.... but I live in Germany.

Before I came here, you would have gotten a blank stare with that question.

BBC, Reuters, and Der Spiegel are the three online news sources I read. I don't watch television, but I do generally catch the news breaks on the radio. I read Der Speigel long before I was on NSG. Mainly because it is commonly cited on the radio news as a source.

I've heard of it and read some translations.

It is important on an international scale, but in a way similar to the Globe and Mail, rather than the New York Times.

there was another german news magazene of some kind there too that looked pretty good, i forget what it was called.

Stern? That would be the next-most-important German source.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.


He's right and it probably is comparable to the NY Times and possibly the BBC.

I've heard of it and read some translations.

It is important on an international scale, but in a way similar to the Globe and Mail, rather than the New York Times.I would compare it to TIME© NewsWeek© and (why not) the NewYorkTimes©

but not the BBC.

He's right and it probably is comparable to the NY Times and possibly the BBC.
He's right, indeed, but it's not really like the NY Times, or indeed the BBC.

Der Spiegel is a weekly journal, whereas the NY Times is a daily newspaper and the BBC is a broadcasting network.

What Der Spiegel has in common with the NY Times is that a part of it is on paper and it contains news. What it has in common with the BBC is that it's got news and a TV channel to it. News and the fact that it's got a website are really all that it has in common with these two.

He's right, indeed, but it's not really like the NY Times, or indeed the BBC.

Der Spiegel is a weekly journal, whereas the NY Times is a daily newspaper and the BBC is a broadcasting network.

What Der Spiegel has in common with the NY Times is that a part of it is on paper and it contains news. What it has in common with the BBC is that it's got news and a TV channel to it. News and the fact that it's got a website are really all that it has in common with these two.

I understand and maybe should clarify what I mean. The way I was looking at it was in terms of popularity. All three are different from each other however one common measurement is popularity.

Der Spiegel? I always thought that it was the German equivalent of Time magazine.No, it's not that low-level.

Stern? That would be the next-most-important German source.Not at all. Stern is yellow press. (ever since the Hitler's diaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_diaries) fraud)

Stern? That would be the next-most-important German source.
Nah.

For reliability, go with the Bild.

No, it's not that low-level.

You'd be surprised how low Spiegel has sunk these years. I was, in fact, wondering whether to add a "though the Times magazine is somewhat higher-level" to my comparison of the two.


For reliability, go with the Bild.
For all that is good and Elky, tell me you're joking. I was looking for the white-text [/irony] marker in vain.

I understand and maybe should clarify what I mean. The way I was looking at it was in terms of popularity. All three are different from each other however one common measurement is popularity.
Suppose so.

For all that is good and Elky, tell me you're joking. I was looking for the white-text [/irony] marker in vain.
Would have made it a bit obvious :p

Would have made it a bit obvious :p

In a thread whose OP declares Der Spiegel to be equivalent to the BBC, you just never know.

In a thread whose OP declares Der Spiegel to be equivalent to the BBC, you just never know.
Hey, I know quite a lot about German Things, thankyouverymuch :p

As is usually the case when arguing with a USer about things European, Fass is right.

We used to translate articles out of Der Spiegel ("the mirror") for German class. However, my German grand-relatives had old copies around their houses...I'd leaf through them while waiting for sauerbraten and spaetzle...and red cabbage...*mouth waters* mmmmmmmm....

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.

Hear of it a loong time ago. but I've also seen their magazine in our bookstores here in Hawaii.

Fass and I are having an argument about whether this German publication is of international significance or just European. So, who has heard of Der Spiegel and where did you first hear it? Also, do you think it is a major publication as Fass claims.

I've only seen it on NSG. I've been on German and Belgian, but English-speaking boards and have never seen it before here. He thinks it's a mighty publication along with the New York Times and the BBC.

Poll Ahoy.

Maybe. When I read I'll certainly catch up with the classic authors and not waste my time on publications about this lowly thing called reality.
But I didn't hear of the New York thingie.

Heard of it in German class, oddly enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9s8Um3aCUg

Der Spiegel - tragically rubbish at interviewing Borat :(

I've heard of it.

'Der Spiegel' is German for 'the mirror'.

'Daily Mirror'?

I've read articles from it quoted in part or in whole in various magazines and newspapers. Many, many times. (I'm in Europe).

'Daily Mirror'?

More like The Guardian.

For all those here, you do know that they have a FULL online verson, entirely in English?

Plus, I would rate them as more similar to the NYT, but certainly not the BBC!

For all those here, you do know that they have a FULL online verson, entirely in English?The English section of spiegel.de (http://www.spiegel.de/) isn't high quality really.

For all those here, you do know that they have a FULL online verson, entirely in English?

Plus, I would rate them as more similar to the NYT, but certainly not the BBC!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/

'Der Spiegel' is German for 'the mirror'.

'Daily Mirror'?
Erm it's more like the Guardian in terms of writing style, with some Daily Mail-esque panic about this or that from time to time.

Still, a decent read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9s8Um3aCUg

Der Spiegel - tragically rubbish at interviewing Borat :(

Uh...that's the point of Borat, isn't it? Cohen does his level best to make sure those who interview him or talk to him look stupid. It's a joke that gets very old, very quickly.

And you lie. I would not deem the BBC a publication because I know it's not,
pub·lish /ˈpʌblɪʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[puhb-lish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to issue (printed or otherwise reproduced textual or graphic material, computer software, etc.) for sale or distribution to the public.
2. to issue publicly the work of: Random House publishes Faulkner.
3. to announce formally or officially; proclaim; promulgate.
4. to make publicly or generally known.
5. Law. to communicate (a defamatory statement) to some person or persons other than the person defamed.
–verb (used without object)
6. to issue newspapers, books, computer software, etc.; engage in publishing: The new house will start to publish next month.
7. to have one's work published: She has decided to publish with another house.

nor would I equate a quotidian newspaper with an hebdomadal magazine.
Big words don't make you cool or superior. Just because English isn't your native tongue and you can use big English words doesn't mean a thing. All it is is a desperate attempt to establish credibility. Look at MTAE/FAG as an example.

In a thread whose OP declares Der Spiegel to be equivalent to the BBC, you just never know.

I didn't.

As is usually the case when arguing with a USer about things European, Fass is right.
That would make me right--that it's basically a European thing, with some international status.

So Fass, it would seem the consensus favors me. It is not a big-time international publication. It is significant, but not enough so that everyone knows about it. And don't blame me for not knowing every major foreign publication.

In a thread whose OP declares Der Spiegel to be equivalent to the BBC, you just never know.
I didn't.Well someone did.

and Fass says it was not him. He says he didnt even equate it to the NYT.
And you(Sel Appa) lie. I would not deem the BBC a publication because I know it's not, nor would I equate a quotidian newspaper with an hebdomadal magazine.

You cant be both telling the truth.

Well someone did.

and Fass says it was not him. He says he didnt even equate it to the NYT.


You cant be both telling the truth.

He said it was of high international significance. The NYT IS of high international significance.

Ich <3 Der Spiegel!!!!

'Der Spiegel' is German for 'the mirror'.

'Daily Mirror'?It's German for "The Mirror", not "The Daily Mirror". A German newspaper called the "Daily Mirror" is the Tagesspiegel. Though to assume that a traditional name for newspapers (mirror, messenger, gazette, mercury, etc.) would be unique in countries with different languages would be silly.

Ich <3 Der Spiegel!!!!Den Spiegel.

Den Spiegel.

It's the proper, printed name of a magazine, thus I don't think the definite article should be changed.

It's the proper, printed name of a magazine, thus I don't think the definite article should be changed.The German language disagrees. ;)

--snip definition of publish--

1. And those don't apply to the BBC.
2. You should have looked up "publication" in the dictionary and seen where it says that is something "released for distribution; specifically : print". That way you would have learnt what it also meant and again would have shown that it doesn't apply to the BBC.

Big words don't make you cool or superior.

Just 'cause they're "big" in your sad, little world doesn't mean they're "big". You don't even know what "publication" means, nor to actually look it up, so you see, when you call something a "big word", that doesn't say much.

Just because English isn't your native tongue and you can use big English words doesn't mean a thing.

And this has what do to with your lie that I was to have equated an hebdomadal magazine with a quotidian newspaper?

So Fass, it would seem the consensus favors me.

And not only do you not know what words mean, and not only do you lie, but you can't even properly interpret the result of your own poll (which shows that most people in all your categories, even the USA one, are familiar with Der Spiegel). Hilarious. It's also even more hilarious that you think I give shit about the "consensus" in NSG or your little thread which so ironically proved you wrong.

He said it was of high international significance. The NYT IS of high international significance.

Thank you for finally admitting that you are a liar. Usually that would redeem your character somewhat, but since you do it only because it's so obvious and easily proved that you lied, it doesn't absolve you one bit of being a liar.

Isn't this silly argument over yet?

He said it was of high international significance.

And he was right, as this thread also shows. And?

Fass, I think this is merely a semantic issue and not important to the original point, the point being that whether Der Spiegel is of as much importance and as highly regarded as the BBC or NY Times, regardless of whether they are publications or not, since that would be irrelevant anyway.

Canadian media (mostly the CBC) report on the contents of Der Spiegel. I'd call it a major news source.

the point being that whether Der Spiegel is of as much importance and as highly regarded as the BBC or NY Times

You see, Hydesland, Sel Appa lied about me claiming such, so there is no such "point" apart from in his own fabrications and falsehoods. The discussion was that he claimed a subject hadn't been "reported in the media" (paraphrase), and then I showed that it had been reported on by among others Der Spiegel and the BBC. He claimed that Der Spiegel was not a "mainstream media source" (direct quote, follow the coming link), while I claimed that it was (and I quote myself directly): "one of the most influential weeklies of the world (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13454964&postcount=35)".

Nowhere did I equate it with the BBC (which is not a publication, and especially not a weekly such), and nowhere did I equate it with the New York Times (which is a daily and not a weekly) - I did not even mention the New York Times. Sel Appa is a bald-faced liar.

1. And those don't apply to the BBC.
2. You should have looked up "publication" in the dictionary and seen where it says that is something "released for distribution; specifically : print". That way you would have learnt what it also meant and again would have shown that it doesn't apply to the BBC.
I don't see anything about print.
1. the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2. the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3. the state or fact of being published.
4. something that is published, esp. a periodical.
BBC most certainly applies. A publication is something that is published. The BBC is published. When I post, I am publishing it.

Just 'cause they're "big" in your sad, little world doesn't mean they're "big". You don't even know what "publication" means, nor to actually look it up, so you see, when you call something a "big word", that doesn't say much.
Do we have to open another thread to determine if those words are big or not?

And this has what do to with your lie that I was to have equated an hebdomadal magazine with a quotidian newspaper?
You're trying to make yourself seem more credible by using advanced words. It does nothing of the sort.

And not only do you not know what words mean, and not only do you lie, but you can't even properly interpret the result of your own poll (which shows that most people in all your categories, even the USA one, are familiar with Der Spiegel). Hilarious. It's also even more hilarious that you think I give shit about the "consensus" in NSG or your little thread which so ironically proved you wrong.
I wasn't going by the poll, which was constructed poorly. I was going by the posts, which say that Der Spiegel is significant, but not hugely significant as you implied. Outside of Europe and those who have reason to know about a German magazine, it's largely unknown. You should care when the consensus shows that you are wrong in your assumption that Der Spiegel is a very important publication.

Thank you for finally admitting that you are a liar. Usually that would redeem your character somewhat, but since you do it only because it's so obvious and easily proved that you lied, it doesn't absolve you one bit of being a liar.
I clarified. I never lied. At the most I extrapolated and made assumptions. You implied that it was a very important publication (one of the most influential weeklies of the world) that had the significance of the BBC and the New York Times.

You see, Hydesland, Sel Appa lied about me claiming such, so there is no such "point" apart from in his own fabrications and falsehoods. The discussion was that he claimed a subject hadn't been "reported in the media" (paraphrase), and then I showed that it had been reported on by among others Der Spiegel and the BBC. He claimed that Der Spiegel was not a "mainstream media source" (direct quote, follow the coming link), while I claimed that it was (and I quote myself directly): "one of the most influential weeklies of the world (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13454964&postcount=35)".

Nowhere did I equate it with the BBC (which is not a publication, and especially not a weekly such), and nowhere did I equate it with the New York Times (which is a daily and not a weekly) - I did not even mention the New York Times. Sel Appa is a bald-faced liar.
By association you did: Der Spiegel is one of the most influential...New York Times/BBC are among the most influential. So, by your words, they should be comparable.

This won't go anywhere due to your stubbornness and arrogance, so we may as well quit while we're both behind.

This won't go anywhere due to your stubbornness and arrogance, so we may as well quit while we're both behind.

This won't go anywhere because even when your lies are exposed with direct links to what was said, and when you "lose" your own poll and when even the posts in the thread prove your claim that Der Spiegel is not "mainstream" wrong, you still stick with your lies and manage to delude yourself that somehow you're still right by changing your goalpost in the most dishonest way possible and continuing to lie about what others are to have claimed.

Grow up, and realise that other people can read and easily see you for the liar that you are, and they can of course easily acknowledge that the BBC is not a publication (it's so sad that English is supposed to be your primary language), they can of course also see that the BBC is nowhere near to being a weekly publication (which was what I was talking about) and they can of course look up NYT and see that not only is it not a weekly publication either and thus has nothing to do with what I said, they can also easily see that I never even mentioned it in the first place at all. No amount of self-delusion (because that's the only person you're fooling here) on your part will change this.

I think I heard of it before posting on NS (as my first nation). But couldn't say for sure.

However it is not unusual to see it name check in the media. I'd say it was the same level of reknown as Le Monde. in that a fair amount are aware it is a major foreign paper :)


It sucks.

Indeed.

As a Brit am I in the Anglosphere or Europe, which poll option do I use?

I feel a Venn diagram is needed

The German language disagrees. ;)

Indeed. Politely, but very firmly so.

He claimed that Der Spiegel was not a "mainstream media source" (direct quote, follow the coming link), while I claimed that it was (and I quote myself directly): "one of the most influential weeklies of the world (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13454964&postcount=35)".

I've been meaning to request a link to the utterances in question from the get-go; thanks for providing it.

This won't go anywhere because even when your lies are exposed with direct links to what was said, and when you "lose" your own poll and when even the posts in the thread prove your claim that Der Spiegel is not "mainstream" wrong, you still stick with your lies and manage to delude yourself that somehow you're still right by changing your goalpost in the most dishonest way possible and continuing to lie about what others are to have claimed.

Grow up, and realise that other people can read and easily see you for the liar that you are, and they can of course easily acknowledge that the BBC is not a publication (it's so sad that English is supposed to be your primary language), they can of course also see that the BBC is nowhere near to being a weekly publication (which was what I was talking about) and they can of course look up NYT and see that not only is it not a weekly publication either and thus has nothing to do with what I said, they can also easily see that I never even mentioned it in the first place at all. No amount of self-delusion (because that's the only person you're fooling here) on your part will change this.
And you twist every word like a lawyer. I am not a liar. You are taking everything literally to the exact words while I was a bit more liberal in my application. You said that Der Spiegel is important. The period of publication is virtually irrelevant.

Even from the standpoint of weekly publications ONLY, it is topped at least by TIME, Newsweek, and The Economist, if not others. If it published a full English edition that was widely available in print, then I could see it being what you claim it to be.As a Brit am I in the Anglosphere or Europe, which poll option do I use?

I feel a Venn diagram is needed
I always thought you guys were culturally separate from mainstream Europe for the most part...

Yeah I've not only heard of it (US American here) but I've read the online English version for stories.

I'm not sure where I first heard of it though.

Even from the standpoint of weekly publications ONLY, it is topped at least by TIME, Newsweek, and The Economist, if not others.
I agree about The Economist, but I can't agree about TIME or Newsweek being "influential". They don't often break news stories that other outlets pick up on, as both Der Spiegel and The Economist do. TIME was quite influential in its day, but that was decades ago, and Newsweek has always been a pale copy.

And you twist every word like a lawyer. I am not a liar.

You deliberately claimed that I had said something I had not said at all. That makes you a liar.

You are taking everything literally to the exact words while I was a bit more liberal in my application.

"Liberal" does not mean "dishonest," "mendacious" or "deceitful", which are what you were.

You said that Der Spiegel is important. The period of publication is virtually irrelevant.

I said "Der Spiegel is one of the most influential weeklies of the world". That makes the periodicity very relevant as I am only making a claim about hebdomadal publications (and publications only), and it also quite clearly exposes as fraudulent your claims as to what I was to have said.

Even from the standpoint of weekly publications ONLY, it is topped at least by TIME, Newsweek, and The Economist, if not others.

The only one of those that might top it is The Economist (TIME is a has-been that Newsweek emulates), but it seems that you do not understand the meaning of "one of the most influential weeklies of the world". That there are other highly influential weeklies out there does not in any way negate that "Der Spiegel" is one of them. This thread has shown that it is indeed influential, known, and that your claim of it not being "mainstream" is complete poppycock - I of course don't care what this thread shows, but you do and you would do well to see that you shot yourself in the foot with it just like you did with your lying.

If it published a full English edition that was widely available in print, then I could see it being what you claim it to be.

There you are again, thinking the world revolves around your limited and narrow Anglophone existence. It does not.

Bubububu
You must be a scientologist or one of their lawyers. I'm done with talking to a brick wall.

*unsubscribe*

I have heard the name before but I never bothered to look into it until just now.

As a Brit am I in the Anglosphere or Europe, which poll option do I use?Anglosphere, of course.

*waves Union Jack, and flag of St George*

*burns EU flag*

Well I'm amused :p

I always thought you guys were culturally separate from mainstream Europe for the most part...

Depends on who you ask.

Though I like to think the reasons for being culturally closer to Europe then the US is obvious. Not everyone agrees.

Anglosphere, of course.

*waves Union Jack, and flag of St George*

*burns EU flag*

*Smokes gauloise and drinks black coffee*