NationStates Jolt Archive

...which would it be? I would choose to legalize drugs.

Legalizing drugs for sure.

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

:p

Well, I too would legalize some drugs...mostly softer ones like marijuana, mushrooms, LSD.

With harder drugs like meth and heroin, it is quite rare that use/abuse is "victimless", so I cannot support taking things that far.

Public exposure/urination/fornication/etc and consentual bestiality.

Public exposure/urination/fornication/etc and consentual bestiality.

How do you prove bestiality is "consensual?"

Public nudity and marijuana.

Tax evasion, for obvious reasons.

Streaking down the street, smoking s joint, with an Obama-taco in one hand, a Hillary-crab cake in the other and entirely too much peanut butter in my mouth...

Basically any laws that make it illegal to possess, sell, or trade something should be abolished. Unless if that thing is sex, slaves, or any other sort of dehumanizing thing.

How do you prove bestiality is "consensual?"Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

I thought arching the back was the attack pose in many mammals. It is in cats, at least. Regardless, beastiality creeps me out, victimless or no.

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.Lol, I thought you were serious for a minute. :p

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

Yea, ok, the fact that you even know that is creepy.....

*steps away from Tongass*

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

I laughed so hard I was afraid I was going to pee.

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

Shut up! He's absolutely right. :mad: Don't makefun of it. But.. if he wasn't serious it was a luck guess. What do you think?:rolleyes:

Drug use isn't victimless. It has many victims.

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

Is that really victimless

*shudders at thought of neighbour running around naked*

Drug use isn't victimless. It has many victims.

Yeah, that's a sad fact. Ruins the spirit of this thread, though, doesn't it?

I would legalize public nudity.

Is that really victimless

*shudders at thought of neighbour running around naked*

I think seeing some skin could do certain people some good.

There's a small neighborhood in Topeka, Kansas I've been eyeing...

I thought arching the back was the attack pose in many mammals.I mean arching where the spine bends in the other direction. Like what porn stars and cats do to show off their booty hole.

Unfortunately under the biological review program, lots of bestiality would only be affordable to the rich who could afford scientific oversight, unless the government stepped in to subsidize interspecies activities for all Americans, but realistically, such a "single-payer" solution wouldn't work in a capitalist society. So the question becomes Do we Mandate bestiality coverage? On the one hand, it would force people to purchase services they may never need to use. But on the other hand, some people might try to "game the system" if we didn't mandate by waiting till they actually wanted to have sex with their pet to purchase coverage. This is an issue that will divide progressives in the future.

Drugs. Not because I plan to use them, but because repealing all drug laws would have a cascading effect throughout the entire system.

Yeah, I'm not all that sure public nudity is victimless. *shudders*

I'd legalise atheism and homosexuality.

What?

Yeah, I'm not all that sure public nudity is victimless. *shudders*

I'd legalise atheism and homosexuality.

What?

Those aren't crimes.

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

*nodded for truth*

Well, I too would legalize some drugs...mostly softer ones like marijuana, mushrooms, LSD.

With harder drugs like meth and heroin, it is quite rare that use/abuse is "victimless", so I cannot support taking things that far.

ditto.

... then I would do it!

Tickling. How can someone be a victim if they're laughing uncontrollably?

Those aren't crimes.

Mostly a tongue-in-cheek reference that atheists and homosexuals are sometimes treated like criminals, but there are other places than the West, you know.

Tickling. How can someone be a victim if they're laughing uncontrollably?

I have to resort to drastic measures here.

:upyours: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5:

Public exposure/urination/fornication/etc and consentual bestiality.

You clearly have some sexual issues.

I have to resort to drastic measures here.

:upyours: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5:

Of course, it could make murder legal if you sent in laughing gas first. This would be unfortunate.

Non-commercial copyright and patent infringement. Drugs is a close second.

Drugs, though streaking is highly tempting.

I'd legalize full nudity in public beaches and lakes, but I don't currently reside in a country where that is illegal...

Non-commercial copyright and patent infringement. Drugs is a close second.
That.

I'd also legalize building without planning permission for homes and other small scale buildings. I can understand that you need planning permission to build a new mall or airport but not to modify your own house. At least as long as it's on your own property, follows safety standards etc and isn't an unnecessarily cruel eyesore to people seeing it from outside your property. So no 20 meter high statue of yourself nude pissing radioactive waste on your neighbour's lawn.

...which would it be? I would choose to legalize drugs.

Public nudity.

Public nudity and fornication.

Mild battery against adolescents.

Drug use isn't really a victimless crime, it really bummed me out to see a fair few of my friends get caught up with that shit, and their families were yet worse off. But there we go.

Legalising some of the stronger painkillers to be sold at the shops would help my cause out a lot. Tragic times with a hangover ahoy.

I suppose I'd like it if the distribution of quality-controlled marijuana at liquor stores or places that sell cigarettes was legal.

Prostitution

Rubbing a baldman's head in public while murmuring, "mmm...nice 'n' shiny".

either head, just to be fair to them.

Public exposure/urination/fornication/etc and consentual bestiality.

Well wouldn't the victim of public urination be the one who has to clean it up? Or do you mean urinating in a park?

...which would it be? I would choose to legalize drugs.

Any and all truely victimless "crimes" should be legal. I'm not sure drugs qualify though.
I mean I don't have a problem with marihuana ... assuming you don't drive high ... just like with alcohol (I actually think americans should get sensible with alcohol before they start to babble about legalizing anything else, but that's me ... a sexcrazed drunk from Europe (or whatever it was they said in Eurotrip).)
But I'd be very careful with kokain, LSD and whatever other poisonous substances people tend to ruin themselves with.

Talking about victimless crimes ... could someone explain to me where's the victim when someone collects draws and fictious stories depicturing minors for example? Even where's the victim when someone downloads off Emule or some other file sharing network pictures of actual minors? Sure, forcing kids to pose naked or even engage in some kind of sex is clearly bad, has a victim and should be punished. Paying someone to do that is no different, just like paying someone to kill someone is a crime, just like the murder itself is, but ...
I know I've touched something that can't be even talked about. "Hey, he looked at that girl twice, burn him!!!"

Drug use isn't really a victimless crime, it really bummed me out to see a fair few of my friends get caught up with that shit, and their families were yet worse off. But there we go.

Legalising some of the stronger painkillers to be sold at the shops would help my cause out a lot. Tragic times with a hangover ahoy.

You use drugs.
Your friends are not happy about this.
Therefore your friends are victims of your drug use.
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Jaywalking. By which I mean, drivers are no longer allowed to speed up in order to kill jaywalkers. That's how it's regulated around here.

Playing the accordion.

I'd also legalize building without planning permission for homes and other small scale buildings. I can understand that you need planning permission to build a new mall or airport but not to modify your own house. At least as long as it's on your own property, follows safety standards etc and isn't an unnecessarily cruel eyesore to people seeing it from outside your property. So no 20 meter high statue of yourself nude pissing radioactive waste on your neighbour's lawn.

How do you propose that these criteria are ensured without some sort of permit process?

Non-commercial copyright and patent infringement. Drugs is a close second.

I would go even farther and include commercial use.

Knotthole Glade;13453383']Prostitution

I think this one gets my vote. Many sex workers think that legalising sex work would empower them and help reduce many of the problems that currently surround sex work.

Bicycle Sex (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml) and pavement sex if they can do it in private (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/society/bryonygordon/october07/bicyclesex.htm)

How do you propose that these criteria are ensured without some sort of permit process?
Just build, if any neighbour doesn't like it they can sue you, if you lose you must correct the problem but that should only happen in obviously severe cases. One example that should lose is a recycling center they built (with planning permission) 2 meters from an apartment complex here so all the ones on ground floor see when they look out the window is a concrete wall 2 meters from the window and when the ones higher up open a window or go out on their balconies on a hot summer day they can enjoy the smell of the whole neighbourhood's garbage.

What about the safety standards you mentioned?

Let's say I build an addition on my house but with my crappy wiring skills I end up starting a fire. Let's also assume that the addition comes quite close to my neighbour's house. Close enough that his/her house catches fire too.

Now, if we assume that it is only the permit process that has been repealed but building codes are still in effect, my neighbour could still sue me, but wouldn't it have been better for the wiring and proximity to my neighbour to have been checked by a professional first?

I would legalize homosexuality in Iran. Just as a gesture, of course, since we all know there aren't any gays there.

What about the safety standards you mentioned?

Let's say I build an addition on my house but with my crappy wiring skills I end up starting a fire. Let's also assume that the addition comes quite close to my neighbour's house. Close enough that his/her house catches fire too.

Now, if we assume that it is only the permit process that has been repealed but building codes are still in effect, my neighbour could still sue me, but wouldn't it have been better for the wiring and proximity to my neighbour to have been checked by a professional first?
I didn't mean anyone should be allowed to do the dangerous parts. I meant that you should be allowed to do the somewhat safe bits like woodwork yourself and hire a professional to do the dangerous bits like driving heavy machinery and doing the wiring without asking for permission first. I guess a professional can mess up too though and then either you who ordered the build or the professional who did the job or both could be held responsible for damages.

It's not an important issue to me. I was just pondering rules that interfere with peoples' personal affairs and remembered reading about someone who renovated the interior of a shed they owned by a lake but was forced to undo the renovation because they forgot to get a permit for making the shed look almost as nice as a permanent home (but without running water, kitchen and so on) on the inside. Then there was a scandal where a politician built a villa bigger than the blueprints she got a permit for and of course got a huge fine for that outrageous crime (wouldn't it be enough to just update the property tax to reflect the new higher value of the villa).

International travel without a passport/identification

Tax evasion, for obvious reasons.

Hmm, the victims in that case would be everyone else who paid taxes or was an employee of the federal gov't, with the exception of the people from the IRS, who'd have the necessity of their job validated.

underage drinking, marijuana, or punching someone in the dark.

underage drinking, marijuana, or punching someone in the dark.

Either you're joking or you've never seen someone punched before.

i wud legalize joints raves an underage drinkin coz there is no point

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*



I disagree. Depending on who is doing the streaking, the viewers may very well be victims...

Either you're joking or you've never seen someone punched before.

Yes I have seen someone punched, I was the one doing the punching.

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

I'll see Lunatic's bet and raise it: legalize indecent exposure for adults.

With maybe an age-weight cutoff. Wouldn't want some poor kid to pass a retirement home and be traumatized for life.

I'll see Lunatic's bet and raise it: legalize indecent exposure for adults.

With maybe an age-weight cutoff. Wouldn't want some poor kid to pass a retirement home and be traumatized for life.

I think that would only work in hot countries.
To be naked in a cold country, would be well, very cold and not practical to make it legal.

I would legalize homosexuality in Iran. Just as a gesture, of course, since we all know there aren't any gays there.

I really don't find that all that hard to swallow, seeing as my first reaction wasn't so much "liar!" as it was "Gee, I wonder who's responsible for that?"

OK, there may be a few, but probably not a whole lot.

I'll see Lunatic's bet and raise it: legalize indecent exposure for adults.

With maybe an age-weight cutoff. Wouldn't want some poor kid to pass a retirement home and be traumatized for life.It's really not that bad. Not enjoyable, by any measure, but there certainly is a lot worse than seeing naked, fat, old people.

I think that would only work in hot countries.
To be naked in a cold country, would be well, very cold and not practical to make it legal.Why that? A lot of European countries with strong nudist movements are plenty cold.

Mild battery against adolescents.

I think adolescents would be the victim there.....


And topless laws that prohibit women from walking around without a shirt on. Seriously, I've seen 80 year old men out and about with no shirt on and boobs bigger than mine and mine are prettier! Why can't I?:(

Speeding. I have to force back the urge to shout the question "JUST WHO ARE YOU SERVING AND PROTECTING" when I get a ticket in the MIDDLE OF FUCKING NOWHERE on a summer day with visibility so good, I can see GREECE from US-83. I write the checks out the Burleigh County Revenue Enhancement Division, 'cause that's all a ticket like that is.

If I'm weaving, swerving or am doing more than road conditions warrant, OR is I'm trying to go too fast in any kind of traffic (thereby endangering actual PEOPLE), then by all means I should be fined. But on a sunny 75F day between farmhouses on a smooth US highway in rural North Dakota? Come on. Pull me over and breathalyze me if you have "probable cause" that I'm a serious highway threat, but if I'm blowin' below legal impairment levels, piss off and let me make some damned time.

Also, prostitution. Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

I think adolescents would be the victim there.....


And topless laws that prohibit women from walking around without a shirt on. Seriously, I've seen 80 year old men out and about with no shirt on and boobs bigger than mine and mine are prettier! Why can't I?:(

You can! Take down the following address...just kidding.

Speeding. I have to force back the urge to shout the question "JUST WHO ARE YOU SERVING AND PROTECTING" when I get a ticket in the MIDDLE OF FUCKING NOWHERE on a summer day with visibility so good, I can see GREECE from US-83. I write the checks out the Burleigh County Revenue Enhancement Division, 'cause that's all a ticket like that is.

If I'm weaving, swerving or am doing more than road conditions warrant, OR is I'm trying to go too fast in any kind of traffic (thereby endangering actual PEOPLE), then by all means I should be fined. But on a sunny 75F day between farmhouses on a smooth US highway in rural North Dakota? Come on. Pull me over and breathalyze me if you have "probable cause" that I'm a serious highway threat, but if I'm blowin' below legal impairment levels, piss off and let me make some damned time.

Also, prostitution. Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

Prostitution is legal, it's buying the time with the prostitute that's illegal. I have no idea why, it'd be better to legalise it that way they could have standard sti tests done and keep them safe. But speeding laws make sense, if you're going 150 the amount of time you have to react will be severely reduced. It'd be better if they made speeding illegal but had cars which knew which street they were on and were unable to go above the posted limit.

...which would it be? I would choose to legalize drugs.

public sex *nods*

Rape. *nods*....

or I'd let people smoke pot

Shooting a bullet just over someone's head...

The only people who think drugs are a victimless crime are adolescent morons who've never used them/known anybody who's used them and think they'd be cool to try.

The only people who think drugs are a victimless crime are adolescent morons who've never used them/known anybody who's used them and think they'd be cool to try.
By my very existence, I refute your statement.

Drug misuse leads to tragedy, yes; but so does misuse of garden shears.

The only people who think drugs are a victimless crime are adolescent morons who've never used them/known anybody who's used them and think they'd be cool to try.

I'm not an adolescent and I'm fairly sure that either myself or someone I know has used every drug that is commonly found in the UK. I also support the full legalisation of all drugs but I'm not sure that 'victimless crime' is the term that I'd use to describe them although I certainly think that the harm caused by drug use is magnified greatly by prohibition.

The only people who think drugs are a victimless crime are adolescent morons who've never used them/known anybody who's used them and think they'd be cool to try.

Are you suggesting that people who use drugs don't think they should be legal?

International travel without a passport/identification

Could you make it any easier for terrorists? (Not just the islamic kind.)

Concealed weapons

I'm not an adolescent and I'm fairly sure that either myself or someone I know has used every drug that is commonly found in the UK. I also support the full legalisation of all drugs but I'm not sure that 'victimless crime' is the term that I'd use to describe them although I certainly think that the harm caused by drug use is magnified greatly by prohibition.

Even Crack?

Certain pets are illegal for no reason. You can't own ferrets in california, you can't own foxes in massachusetts, you can't own pit bulls in some cities, ect.

Fireworks. People smuggle in fireworks anyway, does anyone actually enforce this law?

What about those flag burning laws? Does anyone care?

No loitering?! There are a lot of stupid laws if you think about it.

regulated dueling. So long as both parties consent (some sort of waver/form would have to be filled out before hand, and regulated weapons, ect.), I don't see the problem with it.

Also fireworks, pot, lower the drinking age to 18, and grey hat hacking (nothing was damaged or stolen, so why is it illegal?)

Rolling squid;13455374']regulated dueling. So long as both parties consent (some sort of waver/form would have to be filled out before hand, and regulated weapons, ect.), I don't see the problem with it.

Also fireworks, pot, lower the drinking age to 18, and grey hat hacking (nothing was damaged or stolen, so why is it illegal?)

fireworks are illegal for obvious reasons. something unsettling about fireballs exploding over flammable houses.

And, hell yeah. Dueling is a great way to help relieve the overpopulation of the stupid. The stupid need to be wiped out before they get their hands on some Russian nukes.

Public Nudity, that is it

fireworks are illegal for obvious reasons. something unsettling about fireballs exploding over flammable houses.

true, didn't really think about that, but there are fireworks and "fireworks". The bigger stuff should be illegal w/o license, but bottle rockets and firecrackers? Give me a break.

i wud legalize joints raves an underage drinkin coz there is no point

I would point out that there is indeed a point, preventing whatever brain damage or developmental disorder 'raves an underage drinkin' caused in the above poster.

Could you make it any easier for terrorists? (Not just the islamic kind.)
Being a terrorist can be illegal. I just hate looking after important pieces of paper is all. Finger print me or something else.

By my very existence, I refute your statement.

Drug misuse leads to tragedy, yes; but so does misuse of garden shears.

So Garden shears should be legal, but hurting people with them should not.
So drugs should be legal, just hurting people you're close to and your own body, by consuming them should not. You can look at the drugs, but not inhale.

Even Crack?

Do I know someone that uses it? No, for some reason. I know (or rather, knew) a few people who injected heroin, but not crack.

Do I think it should be legalised? Yes. I'm not denying that its a bad thing to use, only that prohibition is more damaging than consumption.

So Garden shears should be legal, but hurting people with them should not.
So drugs should be legal, just hurting people you're close to and your own body, by consuming them should not.
That assumes that by taking drugs, one is necessairly hurting oneself and one's friends.

*drinks tea*

Looks like you're wrong...

...which would it be? I would choose to legalize drugs.

Yeah, I'd certainly legalise soft drugs outside and in the privacy of one's own home.

Rolling squid;13455374']Also fireworks, pot, lower the drinking age to 18, and grey hat hacking (nothing was damaged or stolen, so why is it illegal?)
I didn't know some countries banned fireworks. Blimey.

I didn't know some countries banned fireworks. Blimey.
Yes, most (all? I'm not sure) states in the US ban them, although our national holiday requires them (cognitive dissonance, anyone?). The peculiarities of our federal system, however, lead to this result: there is no national law against them, and many state laws allow fireworks to be sold as long as they are not sold to someone from the same state. So here in Michigan we go across the Indiana line to get them.

Driving without license plates and state vehicle registration.

Prostitution is legal, it's buying the time with the prostitute that's illegal. I have no idea why, it'd be better to legalise it that way they could have standard sti tests done and keep them safe. But speeding laws make sense, if you're going 150 the amount of time you have to react will be severely reduced. It'd be better if they made speeding illegal but had cars which knew which street they were on and were unable to go above the posted limit.

I'm not talking about 150mph, did you read my post? It said, effectively, "where conditions allow it to be safe." So speeding on winding mountain roads? Not safe. Doing 80 in a 60 with nothing but horizon ahead with no curves or hills in broad daylight? Safe.

But common sense can be neither assumed nor legislated.

Being a terrorist can be illegal. I just hate looking after important pieces of paper is all. Finger print me or something else.

I think they tried to do that, but it did not pass.

Certain pets are illegal for no reason. You can't own ferrets in california.
Had you ever a ferret up your trousers, you would know EXACTLY why that kind of thing isn't legal. Could easily get a heart attack off that stuff :p

Definitely drugs. I am neither a moron nor an adolescent, and I do know people who've fucked themselves up. But our bodies are our own, to do with as we please. Obviously, there must come some arbitrary line where our rights to affect ourselves infringe on other people, but there is a question of necessity. If I take drugs (which I don't, except the occasional truffle), then there is no necessity (i.e., it is not an automatic and inevitable consequence of my taking them) that I will affect other people. Shooting someone automatically and necessarily affects them. There is also a balance of probability to be taken into account - although drunk driving doesn't necessarily affect anyone else, the chances of it doing so and the risks involved make the probability so strong, and therefore so close to necessity, that it is a minimal leap to ban it. But the arguments for the legalisation of drugs, and the potential benefits (guarantee of supply, quality control, taxation, greater dissemination of information, loss of revenue for organised crime), far outweigh the negative claims.

Oh, and suicide should be added to the list. It's ridiculous that suicide is illegal.

Oh, and suicide should be added to the list. It's ridiculous that suicide is illegal.

The only crime where you can be punished for the attempt but not success.

The only crime where you can be punished for the attempt but not success.

I imagine so, yes. Although perhaps the success itself is punishment enough.

Well, if the animal is the initiator, or if the animal behaves in a "receptive" manner like a mammal arching the back. I guess you could require that bestiality be filmed and analyzed by behavioral biologists to determine if animal rape has been committed.

I volunteer for this grueling but necessary task.

Yes, most (all? I'm not sure) states in the US ban them, although our national holiday requires them (cognitive dissonance, anyone?). The peculiarities of our federal system, however, lead to this result: there is no national law against them, and many state laws allow fireworks to be sold as long as they are not sold to someone from the same state. So here in Michigan we go across the Indiana line to get them.
Bit odd...

Well since drugs aren't a victimless crime (Ask how many crimes have been commited by whacked out people)

Hmm...

Prostution?

Well since drugs aren't a victimless crime (Ask how many crimes have been commited by whacked out people)

Ask how many crimes were committed by people who were drunk.

Excellent point. I personally am against the legalisation of drugs, and this reason is a large factor in that stand for me.
Pity that it's a terrible reason.



Right, so if we're saying alcohol is a bad thing as it causes people to commit crimes when under the influence, why would we want to legalise MORE intoxicants?

You miss my point entirely. Alcohol is a legal intoxicant. Nobody(well, not many people) blames alcohol when some dumbass gets drunk and goes for a drive. So why exactly are you blaming drugs for some bumbasses getting high and breaking the law?

That's like trying to reduce deaths from Malaria by releasing HIV viruses into the region.

Incidentally, that would just increase the number of deaths from Malaria. Would have made more sense if you had said ebola instead of HIV. Still a crappy analogy, but not as crappy.

Well since drugs aren't a victimless crime (Ask how many crimes have been commited by whacked out people)


Excellent point. I personally am against the legalisation of drugs, and this reason is a large factor in that stand for me.

Ask how many crimes were committed by people who were drunk.

Right, so if we're saying alcohol is a bad thing as it causes people to commit crimes when under the influence, why would we want to legalise MORE intoxicants?

That's like trying to reduce deaths from Malaria by releasing HIV viruses into the region.

Possession of Schedule I, II, and III substances.

Legalize all forms of handguns, hi cap magazines, automatic rifles and sub machine guns, legalize all forms of ammunitions, legalize fire arm dealings to be untraced, no paper work, and no laws pertaining to the shipment, use, and availability of firearms.


Maybe then, gangs, criminals, and other bad guys will think twice about robbing a bank full of armed people or breaking into a mans house who is proficient in the use of a fully automatic 9mm sub machine gun.

Crime would drop significantly, people would be able to defend their rights from any force foreign or domestic, and the general public would be much happier because they could go and blow 500 rounds to relive some stress from work.

Maybe then, gangs, criminals, and other bad guys will think twice about robbing a bank full of armed people or breaking into a mans house who is proficient in the use of a fully automatic 9mm sub machine gun.

Crime would drop significantly, people would be able to defend their rights from any force foreign or domestic, and the general public would be much happier because they could go and blow 500 rounds to relive some stress from work.

Yeah, Right. or, maybe, they'd be able to do more crimes more easily do to the fact that they can get all the guns they need at the corner store.

There is very little support for the whole 'crime rate drop' theory; indeed, the United States has some of the highest crime rates and the few gun laws; conversely, places like Japan have tight gun laws and few gun-related crimes.


There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Yeah, Right. or, maybe, they'd be able to do more crimes more easily do to the fact that they can get all the guns they need at the corner store.

There is very little support for the whole 'crime rate drop' theory; indeed, the United States has some of the highest crime rates and the few gun laws; conversely, places like Japan have tight gun laws and few gun-related crimes.


There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Japanese and Isolationist Xenophobes, bad example.

ok, before this thread turns into a gun control thread, can I just say one thing? Guns have nothing to do with gun crime/murder. It's all about the socio-economic conditions and the presence of gangs.

Rolling squid;13457756']Guns have nothing to do with gun crime

Best quotation ever :D

International travel without a passport/identification

That would be nice. It would make it a hell of a lot easier for my g.f. to visit me here.

There is very little support for the whole 'crime rate drop' theory; indeed, the United States has some of the highest crime rates and the few gun laws; conversely, places like Japan have tight gun laws and few gun-related crimes.

And South Africa has extremely strict gun laws but one of the highest murder rates in the world. See? It goes both ways.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Who is the victim of jaywalking, then?

So you charge them with the crime they committed while on drugs! Why is that so hard to understand? The drug use itself is still victimless.

Well said.

Who is the victim of jaywalking, then?

Drivers.

Well since drugs aren't a victimless crime (Ask how many crimes have been commited by whacked out people)


So you charge them with the crime they committed while on drugs! Why is that so hard to understand? The drug use itself is still victimless.

So you charge them with the crime they committed while on drugs! Why is that so hard to understand?

Because preventing crimes is better than punishing people for them.

Drivers.

Har har.

I see, and that's worked exactly how well here in the US?

Now that's a different question entirely.

I am not at all a supporter of present drug laws. Quite the contrary. My intention was to defend the principle, not the practice... which is wildly inconsistent, disproportionate, and unjust.

Because preventing crimes is better than punishing people for them.

I see, and that's worked exactly how well here in the US? Recreational drug use has been illegal for roughly a century. We've got more people in prison on drug charges than on any other charge. I think the time for your defense of criminality of drug use has come and gone.

Guy gets drunk. Guy gets into fight. Guy is charged with assault or drunk-n-disorderly or what-have-you. Guy pays fine or serves a night or two in jail. Guy gets on with life, realizing that he probably shouldn't drink that much anymore, if he's got two brain cells left to rub together. (If guy had driven, guy would have had book thrown at him HARD, unless guy was famous or wealthy).

Guy gets high on weed. Guy listens to Rush or Pink Floyd and gets into deep philosophical discussions with the lint in his navel. Guy decides to continue conversation at local park. Guy walks to park and is disturbing exactly nobody. Guy is searched by policeman in park who comes over, wondering what all the giggling is about. Had guy been drinking on foot, perhaps another d-n-d and a citation. But no, guy had stash with him, so guy is arrested and serves time as a FELON (again, unless guy is famous or wealthy), thereby hindering his chances at employment and in some states, revoking his right to vote permanently (most states will re-enfranchise those who've served their time...Florida, unsurprisingly, is not one of them, which led to part of the 2000 election debacle, but that's another thread).

So this separate and unequal treatment of mind-altering substances is a complete load of tripe.

Now that's a different question entirely.

I am not at all a supporter of present drug laws. Quite the contrary. My intention was to defend the principle, not the practice... which is wildly inconsistent, disproportionate, and unjust.

Fair enough.

Streaking. I think it should be legal to be naked as long as your running. *nod*

Seconded!

I'd legalise but regulate prostitution like in Amsterdam, particularly with regards health and labour laws. After all, they don't call it the world's oldest profession for nothing.

Also think of the extra revenue that could be generated.

I'd legalize drugs and abolish statutory rape laws.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime.Sure there is. Treason being a perfect example.

Polygamy.

WHOA!!!!

Suicide.

Streaking down the street, smoking s joint, with an Obama-taco in one hand, a Hillary-crab cake in the other and entirely too much peanut butter in my mouth...
lmao

I'd legalize drugs and abolish statutory rape laws.

All statutory rape laws?:confused:

All statutory rape laws?:confused:

Just ignore that poster. pretty dumb idea really.

Well in the case of 2 consenting 14 year olds, the law may need change. But total abolition means anyone could have sex with a minor, even a baby, provided they prove there was no force or physical coercion involved. And that doesn't seem like a victimless crime to me...

Sure there is. Treason being a perfect example.

Depends on the kind of treason.

Legalize public, shall we say, "bonding."

So you charge them with the crime they committed while on drugs! Why is that so hard to understand? The drug use itself is still victimless.

Tell that to the mother of three who won't take the time to feed her children so she can get high

Polygamy.

WHOA!!!!

I would agree to Polygamy to an extent. Consensual pologamy between adults. But forcing a 14 year old to marry her three cousins and some random person down the street, no.

Depends on the kind of treason.What type of treason isn't victimless and doesn't also follow under some other type of crime?

What type of treason isn't victimless and doesn't also follow under some other type of crime?

Giving vital defense information to a hostile power that would use it to attack your country, for one.

Best quotation ever :D

ok, bad choice of words, but it still makes sense. If a gang stand-off turns into a firefight, don't blame the guns, blame the shooters.