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Edit: Ha! My thread now! Mwahahahahahahahaha....

This is the school I currently attend.

So far...

Gunman is dead. Two wounded. Ill post what I hear. Ill also ask around next time I go to class (live off campus).

Im fine however, in case anyone cares;)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html

http://www.vandelaysports.com/images/logo_niu1.gif


My Dad went there, worked for the university for some time, and I was born in DeKalb. WOW.

FYI, my friends there are fine. They actually had a threat made around finals time last December. Most dismissed it as a hoax. I wonder if this is related.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html

http://www.vandelaysports.com/images/logo_niu1.gif


My Dad went there, worked for the university for some time, and I was born in DeKalb. WOW.

Shit man. There was a bomb threat at my old school, some kid with ammonia and fire crackers attempting to play a joke on his friend. He managed to catch 20 lockers on fire in the process.

The new report says the gunman is for sure dead.


4-15 wounded. No clear number yet.

4 are for sure being treated for head wounds.

Wow. Yeah, NIU is just down the road from here. I have a lot of friends that go there, from back home....I hope they are all alright. :(

Fecking idiots with guns.

In another "Gun Free" Zone.

Wow. Yeah, NIU is just down the road from here. I have a lot of friends that go there, from back home....I hope they are all alright. :(

Fecking idiots with guns.

what on Earth is going on in the US right now?!

You're not funny. You're being a fool. I'd love to use other words but I don't want to be banned.

welcome to the internet :)

You're not funny.
Really? Damn. Now you've just offended my sensibilities.

You're being a fool.
Ibid.


I'd love to use other words but I don't want to be banned.
Don't let me stop you. Please, do go on.

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"Ur doin' it rong!"




Edit: Ha! My thread now! Mwahahahahahahahaha....

You're not funny. You're being a fool. I'd love to use other words but I don't want to be banned.

Gunman is dead.

Dammit, they need to catch one of these bastards alive, just once. Or maybe decide not to release their names or something.

In another "Gun Free" Zone.

Wait, DeKalb is a gun free zone? I did not know that.

Okay, I change my statement to "Stupid Northern Illinoisers" :p

Wait, DeKalb is a gun free zone? I did not know that.

Okay, I change my statement to "Stupid Northern Illinoisers" :p

You know that anyone north of I-80 counts as being from northern Illinois. Anything south of I-80 thus counts as downstate or southern Illinois.

Wait, DeKalb is a gun free zone? I did not know that.

Okay, I change my statement to "Stupid Northern Illinoisers" :p

Dekalb, no. NIU. Yes.

I heard from a friend that the shooting began 10 minutes before class started in the lecture hall. The casualties would be much higher if he waited until the hall filled up.

It really is the crazy season. That's like what 5-6 shootings in a fairly short period of time? Well, it's a good thing I carry to protect myself and others.

You know that anyone north of I-80 counts as being from northern Illinois. Anything south of I-80 thus counts as downstate or southern Illinois.

Hah. This is downstate Illinois:
http://www.bbonline.com/il/ilbba/region5.gif

And might I add, the better part of the state. :)

It's sad, but it seems to be acceptable in the USA these days.

It really is the crazy season. That's like what 5-6 shootings in a fairly short period of time? Well, it's a good thing I carry to protect myself and others.

Yep, a jackass and a cowboy in a shoot out. I'd be totally safe...

This is ridiculous. The government should torture everyone in the united states to make sure they are not about to commit any mass shootings.

[QUOTE=HaMedinat Yisrael;13451590]This is the best part of the state. Even the once crappy neighborhoods like Bronzeville and Cabrini-Green are on the upswing.

Well, you enjoy Engelwood, 11.5% sales tax, and $500,000 condos.

I'll stick w/ my five acres and being able to see stars in the sky.

Hah. This is downstate Illinois:
http://www.bbonline.com/il/ilbba/region5.gif

And might I add, the better part of the state. :)

There's a Sparta in Illinois?!

On topic: What is with all the recent school shootings?

I'm glad this kind of thing doesn't happen in the UK.

Hah. This is downstate Illinois:

And might I add, the better part of the state. :)

This is the best part of the state. Even the once crappy neighborhoods like Bronzeville and Cabrini-Green are on the upswing.

http://www.gallagher.com/art_photos/chicago_skyline_and_lake_michigan.jpg

Officers took him down.
It's not that I don't understand how that happens. I don't expect the cops to be superheros or anything, but these guys always factor in dying as part of the plan whether it's by them or someone else. It'd be nice to deprive them of that. "Nope, you get to live and deal with the suck." Maybe have the victims families scream at him once a week. That's not really productive, but they always have this easy way out built in and they always get it. It's frustrating.

On topic: What is with all the recent school shootings?
copycat crimes. It's quite common in the wake of a major crime.

Dammit, they need to catch one of these bastards alive, just once. Or maybe decide not to release their names or something.

Officers took him down.

There's a Sparta in Illinois?! Yeah, I plan on going there soon, to take a picture in front of the sign :p



On topic: What is with all the recent school shootings?
I am guessing that people can't get laid, so they have to be total dickbags to the rest of humanity.

Ill be one of the first to find out who it was and motives since I go here. Ill be sure to let you all know.


Im a little shaken up right now...

GO have a drink.

I'll bet that it was a white male, social issues, daddies gun or had just bought it.

It really is the crazy season. That's like what 5-6 shootings in a fairly short period of time? Well, it's a good thing I carry to protect myself and others.

Except you cant carry guns on campus. So, your point is irrelevent.

Yeah, I plan on going there soon, to take a picture in front of the sign :p



I am guessing that people can't get laid, so they have to be total dickbags to the rest of humanity.



Ill be one of the first to find out who it was and motives since I go here. Ill be sure to let you all know.


Im a little shaken up right now...

Well, you enjoy Engelwood, 11.5% sales tax, and $500,000 condos.

I'll stick w/ my five acres and being able to see stars in the sky.

And I'll stick with my totally awesome varying areas of wilderness, and slightly southern culture.

This is the school I currently attend.

So far...

Gunman is dead. Two wounded. Ill post what I hear. Ill also ask around next time I go to class (live off campus).

Im fine however, in case anyone cares;)

Wow man. Lucky break. Just keep your head down. ;)

*crosses fingers*

Please let us avoid another gun debate.

And for good taste: :mp5:

GO have a drink.

I'll bet that it was a white male, social issues, daddies gun or had just bought it.

Oh, Im hittin the rum.

It was a white male.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people these days?

It's not like we're the fucking Democratic Republic of the fucking Congo or something.

Correction. Police are now reporting Gunman killed himself.

Ill leave this out

Click Stand;13451667']*crosses fingers*

Please let us avoid another gun debate.

And for good taste: :mp5:


Ill be really upset if this thread becomes one and I will report it. If someone wants to make another thread fine, but not this thread, please.

How many times does this need to happen before the US ban guns? It's completely retarded. And actually, i see a lot of encouragement for guns everything US-like. This forum, for example.

:sniper:

:mp5:

LOL. Not many pro gun people here other then myself.

As a college student myself, these incidents are troubling to me. I go to a school quite similar to Northern Illinois. It troubles me that an act such as this could easily take place at my University.

This incident has solidified my stance on one gun related issue. But I will not bring it up, as requested.

This incident has solidified my stance on one gun related issue. But I will not bring it up, as requested.

Thank you for your maturity and respect.

This makes me glad I go to hippie art school where nobody gets angry at anything except project runway.

This makes me glad I go to hippie art school where nobody gets angry at anything except project runway.

The worst hippies can do is run you over with a van, luckily they will also have painkillers with them.:p

Click Stand;13451887']The worst hippies can do is run you over with a van, luckily they will also have painkillers with them.:p

Or give you bad weed.


My buddy called me and joked that it was probably someone who couldnt get a Valantine's date. I found that amussing.


On the plus side I dont have to student teach tomorrow now.

Oh, side note, the shooter was not a shooter at NIU. He may have been a student elsewhere.

Im fine however, in case anyone cares;)

Yay! :)

LOL. Not many pro gun people here other then myself.

There's quite a few, actually.

This is the school I currently attend.

So far...

Gunman is dead. Two wounded. Ill post what I hear. Ill also ask around next time I go to class (live off campus).

Im fine however, in case anyone cares;)

I care. My prayers are with those who need em and want em. :(

5 Dead, including gunman. Gunman was not student.

5 Dead, including gunman. Gunman was not student.

New one is 6 dead including Gunman, gunman was a former grad student who had just enrolled in another college.

KoL, do you know any of the deceased?

I dont know really. All my friends Ive called and theyre ok. The only potential people would be just aquaintences. It will depend on when I go to class and see if anyones missing. Im not looking foward to that:(

Hope they're okay.

At any rate, those who died are in my prayers, as are their friends and families.

KoL, do you know any of the deceased?

I dont know really. All my friends Ive called and theyre ok. The only potential people would be just aquaintences. It will depend on when I go to class and see if anyones missing. Im not looking foward to that:(


Kind of a funny/earie story though. One of my friends was in the class where the shooting occured. However, she was so totally blazed she didnt go to class today. Pot may have saved her life.

Now she'll never quit drugs;)

Wow, everyone is going crazy with the guns. I would like to know why we seem to have a string of shootings lately. One thing I always notice when it comes to school shooting (espically after Columbine) someone always says this phrase "I never thought it could happen here".

Anyways, my thoughts and prayers are with the victim's family and friends.

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.


I agree, but thats the press for ya.


We wont get an accurate body count until tomorrow most likely.

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.

Agreed.

Ill be one of the first to find out who it was and motives since I go here. Ill be sure to let you all know.


Im a little shaken up right now...

We're here for you. This is NSG. We might flame you for your politics, but when you need us, we're here for you.

I'm not naive enough to say that this could never happen on my campus. I just hope that if it does, the ROTC guys tackle him quickly (fortunately, we have a lot of them). Or that the guy runs into the botanical gardens, falls into the creek, and gets eaten by the snapper turtles.

How could this have happened? Didn't anyone tell the criminal that this was a gun free zone? If only the sign had been posted more prominently!

Another instance where concealed carry on campus could have saved human lives.

There is no preventing the sniveling scum and defective trash of society doing things like this, there is only the on-the-spot defense against them, and this is only feasible if people are permitted to exercise their right to self defense.

there's nothing funny about this asshole.

Watch your temper and quit flaming. I don't think this is funny. What i thought was funny is that the person i quoted thought that this place is full of progun gun people and called for banning guns. Which would get plenty of support around here.

LOL. Not many pro gun people here other then myself.
there's nothing funny about this asshole.

It's sad, but it seems to be acceptable in the USA these days.

It is in no way acceptable in the US for one person to murder others.

LOL. Not many pro gun people here other then myself.

There's more than a few of us around. But not as many as the anti's.

My buddy called me and joked that it was probably someone who couldnt get a Valantine's date. I found that amussing.

I hardly think it's a coincidence that this occured on Valentines Day.

If the shooter wasn't single, I'd be quite surprised.

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.

People don't usually die just by being touched by a bullet. Presumably that classroom was a mess, and only police could get, who were probably obscenely stressed and gave the journalist an estimate.

Another instance where concealed carry on campus could have saved human lives.

There is no preventing the sniveling scum and defective trash of society doing things like this, there is only the on-the-spot defense against them, and this is only feasible if people are permitted to exercise their right to self defense.

Dude I agree with you and I think "gun free" zone is bogus. However, did you happen to notice that until your post, no one else made this thread into a gun debate?

Might want to think about that for a bit.

there's nothing funny about this asshole.

Missed this bit, did you, Honsria?


Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming.

You can disagree with a post without attacking the poster. Keep it civil, please.

Seems like there have been a lot of shootings in the US lately, whats going on? :confused:

This is like the Fourteenth shooting I heard on news this year......

Seems like there have been a lot of shootings in the US lately, whats going on? :confused:

This is like the Fourteenth shooting I heard on news this year......

We're forgetting to take our meds, sorry.

I'm tempted to post the Aw jeez picture, but I'd better not. Good to hear you're OK, KOL.

We're forgetting to take our meds, sorry.

the more shootings I hear on news, the less I think we should have guns to defend ourselves in America (Though I don't live in America)

Guns should be banned. period.

I'm tempted to post the Aw jeez picture, but I'd better not. Good to hear you're OK, KOL.

the more shootings I hear on news, the less I think we should have guns to defend ourselves in America (Though I don't live in America)

Guns should be banned. period.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4021/awjeezrk7.jpg

This is the school I currently attend.

So far...

Gunman is dead. Two wounded. Ill post what I hear. Ill also ask around next time I go to class (live off campus).

Im fine however, in case anyone cares;)

Good to hear you're okay, that is kinda scary.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4021/awjeezrk7.jpg

Who is that in the photo? :confused:

Dude I agree with you and I think "gun free" zone is bogus. However, did you happen to notice that until your post, no one else made this thread into a gun debate?

Might want to think about that for a bit.

This is an event which is intimately connected to the gun debate.

This forum makes a pretense of 'debating political issues,' this thread should be an opportunity to point out the dangerous and oppressive policies which allowed this tragedy to occur.

Exactly what do you want to imply by telling me I 'might what to think about that for a bit?'

the more shootings I hear on news, the less I think we should have guns to defend ourselves in America (Though I don't live in America)

Guns should be banned. period.


Or, people should be allowed to carry guns around more easily to take out scumbags who go on rampages...

I am so glad I don't live in the USA.

Click Stand;13451887']The worst hippies can do is run you over with a van, luckily they will also have painkillers with them.:p

Plus, I can tell you first hand that those vans don't really go that fast anyway.

I am so glad I don't live in the USA.

Yeah, it's so sad that their huge presence in our daily lives will probably lead to their gun culture slowly corrupting our country too :(

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.
I think it's that nobody is exactly rushing to give details to the hoarde of reporters, they're more concerned with keeping the body count down than letting the public know what it is.
Or, people should be allowed to carry guns around more easily to take out scumbags who go on rampages...

This makes two posts for each side(that I've noticed). Gun debate, go!

This makes two posts for each side(that I've noticed). Gun debate, go!

Attack Bulbasaur with Flamethrower! :mad:

It's super effective!

Enemy Bulbasaur fainted!

oh god why did I post that?

Or, people should be allowed to carry guns around more easily to take out scumbags who go on rampages...Or the person that looks at them wrong. Or the person that totaled their car. More people with concealed firearms will mean more conflicts resolved with concealed firearms.

This makes two posts for each side(that I've noticed). Gun debate, go!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/pokemon_trainer/pokemon_trainer_070813h.jpg

It would be nice to not have to bring the gun debate into these threads just once :(

Or the person that looks at them wrong. Or the person that totaled their car. More people with concealed firearms will mean more conflicts resolved with concealed firearms.

And yet after 15 years this often repeated meme has not occurred.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/pokemon_trainer/pokemon_trainer_070813h.jpg

It would be nice to not have to bring the gun debate into these threads just once :(

This is NSG. Conflict is what it's all about.

I don't understand how they can never get the reporting of casualties right. How does it go from 2 wounded and the gunman killed to 6 killed?

It reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting when they didn't release the killer's name for like a day. Gross incompetence really in the reporting and there should be people getting fired because of it. You either report things accurately or you start serving fast food.

1) Confusion, panic, and the immediate concern for safety don't make for accuracy in the first hours of any emergency. It isn't gross incompetence, it's a "fog of war"-type situation.

2) Not all violent deaths occur immediately after the violence ends. It can take hours of heroic efforts and luck to either save a life or be forced to let it go.

How could this have happened? Didn't anyone tell the criminal that this was a gun free zone? If only the sign had been posted more prominently!

Another instance where concealed carry on campus could have saved human lives.

There is no preventing the sniveling scum and defective trash of society doing things like this, there is only the on-the-spot defense against them, and this is only feasible if people are permitted to exercise their right to self defense.

Look, I know that this issue is tied to tragedies like this, but KoL had specifically asked that this particular thread not become a gun debate thread. As he's had a rough morning in DeKalb, I'd think you could honor that request.

I am so glad I don't live in the USA.

That makes two of us.

Intangelon, that's the whole point.

You either have confirmation or you don't release figures. It's as simple as that. Where did the only 2 wounded come from? It's ridiculous.

Intangelon, that's the whole point.

You either have confirmation or you don't release figures. It's as simple as that. Where did the only 2 wounded come from? It's ridiculous.

They only knew about 2 injuries, presumably. And I dare say they qualified it when they were reporting it. "We've heard reports of two injuries so far" or something like that.

No, I was reading stories about it from the time it happened and each time it was 2 wounded, then 2 killed, then 3, then 4 and etc... Then long after that it was 6. As I said, you don't make up figures to sell your story, not unless you will accept being fired for making up the story.

Like I said, it's unacceptable.

No, I was reading stories about it from the time it happened and each time it was 2 wounded, then 2 killed, then 3, then 4 and etc... Then long after that it was 6. As I said, you don't make up figures to sell your story, not unless you will accept being fired for making up the story.

Like I said, it's unacceptable.

Can you link to those stories or to what those making these reports actually said/wrote? Seems to me that whenever I watch or read coverage of a disaster, reports of dead and injured are usually prefaced with "at press time..." or "preliminary reports have the death toll at..." or something like that.

Also, from which source were the reports you saw? I'll trust someone whose job it is to gather and report news over Joe Schmoe the Garbage Man.

Intangelon, that's the whole point.

You either have confirmation or you don't release figures. It's as simple as that. Where did the only 2 wounded come from? It's ridiculous.

This shit is by far the lowest-brow of anything posted with regards to what happened.

If you don't understand how journalism works then you can take journalism classes when you're old enough to go to college and learn about it.

New Granada,

So Journalism schools tells you that you just rush to give casualty figures after a mass shooting? Just go off whatever someone on the scene says or you come up with yourself?

Well I wouldn't be surprised.

Hi Everyone - I'm new here but I wanted to see what the forums have to offer. While I'm glad to see/hear/read that this incident was limited to very few casualties my best wishes go to all of the friends and families of the victims.

It's also nice to see you can have a discussion about a hot topic and keep it quite civil. While I don't want to make this a gun debate (just FYI - I'm pro if that matters), I understand that this was a "Gun Free" zone but what would have happened if one of the students/faculty/whoever had carried and used his/her firearm to stop the gunman?

I understand there would be repercussions of course, but how much trouble would befall that individual? On one hand, he/she would have broken the law yet on the other hand might have been able to save many lives. How would that be viewed by the law?

I'm really just interested in what you all think and what punishments and individual like that may face.

BTW - I'm happy to hear that the local forum members where unhurt in this event.

Regards,
Aleks

What can we tell about this fellow from his picture and his abbreviated description?

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/Balderdash71964/NIUKiller.jpg

27-year-old former student Stephen Kazmierczak, was taking some kind of medication, "He had stopped taking medication and become somewhat erratic in the last couple of weeks," Grady said, declining to name the drug or provide other details.
Graduated from NIU in 2006, an "outstanding" student while at NIU, currently enrolled as a graduate student at the University of Illinois, leaving no known suicide note.

Campus Police Chief Donald Grady said investigators recovered 48 shell casings and six shotgun shells following the attack in Cole Hall. The gunman paused to reload his shotgun after opening fire on a crowd of terrified students in the geology class at the school's DeKalb campus, sending them running and crawling toward the exits. He shot himself to death on the stage of the hall.
But what we really want to know is why did he pluck his eyebrows so wide you could drive a truck between them?

Missed this bit, did you, Honsria?



You can disagree with a post without attacking the poster. Keep it civil, please.

I'm sorry that I don't think that making this a political issue the same day that it happened is in good taste, and that laughing about the number of pro or anti gun people on a forum should be part of this thread. Whatever, I know what flaming is, and in this case I believe my comment was completely justified.

Yeah, it's so sad that their huge presence in our daily lives will probably lead to their gun culture slowly corrupting our country too :(

Yes, pretty soon you'll speak with [one of our] accents, and you'll accept [one of] our religions, and you'll accept [one of] our political views, and then you'll accept [some of] our immigrants and of course [some of] our money.

To whoever made the joke about shootings happening because people stop taking their meds...


You dont know how accurate you are. According to recent news, the shooter had just stopped taking his meds.

No, I was reading stories about it from the time it happened and each time it was 2 wounded, then 2 killed, then 3, then 4 and etc... Then long after that it was 6. As I said, you don't make up figures to sell your story, not unless you will accept being fired for making up the story.

Like I said, it's unacceptable.
Some of the people died slowly. You are being really obtuse here.

Or the person that looks at them wrong. Or the person that totaled their car. More people with concealed firearms will mean more conflicts resolved with concealed firearms.

Proof? Statistics?

What can we tell about this fellow from his picture and his abbreviated description?

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/Balderdash71964/NIUKiller.jpg

27-year-old former student Stephen Kazmierczak, was taking some kind of medication, "He had stopped taking medication and become somewhat erratic in the last couple of weeks," Grady said, declining to name the drug or provide other details.
Graduated from NIU in 2006, an "outstanding" student while at NIU, currently enrolled as a graduate student at the University of Illinois, leaving no known suicide note.

Campus Police Chief Donald Grady said investigators recovered 48 shell casings and six shotgun shells following the attack in Cole Hall. The gunman paused to reload his shotgun after opening fire on a crowd of terrified students in the geology class at the school's DeKalb campus, sending them running and crawling toward the exits. He shot himself to death on the stage of the hall.
But what we really want to know is why did he pluck his eyebrows so wide you could drive a truck between them?

The smile looks fake. And I bet if he tilted his head down a bit while still looking at you, he'd bear a striking resemblance to a young Norman Bates.

I also suspect that he was severely undersexed. *nod*

New Granada,

So Journalism schools tells you that you just rush to give casualty figures after a mass shooting? Just go off whatever someone on the scene says or you come up with yourself?

Well I wouldn't be surprised.

What is the matter with you? Good Lord, man, the first person with any link to a news agency OF ANY KIND reports whatever is CURRENTLY known. Surely you've been around for the invention, perfection and mannerism of BREAKING NEWS, haven't you? Would you, if you were a parent of a student in any university in the area, rather wait for an hour or more to hear exactly how many were killed or injured, including even mroe time for those who may die after being taken tot he hospital, or would you not give that much of a shit so long as you knew which university was hit and what happened?

C'mon, man, stop flogging the "I hate the media" horse long enough to use some common sense.

The smile looks fake. And I bet if he tilted his head down a bit while still looking at you, he'd bear a striking resemblance to a young Norman Bates.

I also suspect that he was severely undersexed. *nod*

Not that we can tell much from a photo of as-yet-unknown provenance, but I'd wager, given the neatly-plucked eyebrows, that "undersexed" wasn't the issue so much as "confused about his own sexuality to the point of internal conflict needing medication".

Intangelon, that's the point. I don't think it's right that papers break false news to get ratings and more people looking at their articles. I think they should held accountable for doing so. If you don't know how many casualties there are, then don't start giving numbers. That's what I'm saying. If the papers don't know people are dead, then don't make false claims.

Intangelon, that's the point. I don't think it's right that papers break false news to get ratings and more people looking at their articles. I think they should held accountable for doing so. If you don't know how many casualties there are, then don't start giving numbers. That's what I'm saying. If the papers don't know people are dead, then don't make false claims.

It's not false news and false claims, it's incorrect news based on what they've been told. As far as they're concerned, it is the truth (until they're told the true facts). Also, the situation for the wounded isn't static, the situation changes. Maybe somebody died on route to the hospital, or died during surgery, or died later.

What's why you need proof before writing articles. You don't write an article without some kind of standards. A bystander tells you that two people are injured and the gunman is dead it not an acceptable level of fact checking.

Intangelon, that's the point. I don't think it's right that papers break false news to get ratings and more people looking at their articles. I think they should held accountable for doing so. If you don't know how many casualties there are, then don't start giving numbers. That's what I'm saying. If the papers don't know people are dead, then don't make false claims.

Oy gevalt.

Okay, one last time:

THE REPORTS AREN'T FALSE AT THE TIME THEY ARE FILED. Do you honestly believe that a reporter deliberately INVENTS a number of people if he or she cannot find a source willing to give a number? The number changes because the situation is evolving. Part of me can see how you might have a bit of a point at the outset of a story where the reporter should perhaps say "no reports yet on any casualties" -- but if a reporter gets a hard number from someone wearing a badge, he's going to file that number as a part of his report. If that number changes, he'll amend his report. It's a common practice.

Yes, I honestly believe that they knowingly gave out what was likely false numbers to get more people looking at their articles.

Tmu, that's one example late. They said about 10 different numbers over the course of the day. This is just one example.

What's why you need proof before writing articles. You don't write an article without some kind of standards. A bystander tells you that two people are injured and the gunman is dead it not an acceptable level of fact checking.

And I can guarantee you that unless the bystander in question was an officer of the law, fire brigade or other authority figure, no reporter who wants to stay one at any reputable news source will take that bystander's word for anything...they have to print their source for info like that ("according to the Cowlitz County medical examiner's office...").

Curiously, you've not answered my questions about what you read or the sources for your infuriating information. I can only wonder why.

Yes, I honestly believe that they knowingly gave out what was likely false numbers to get more people looking at their articles.

Tmu, that's one example late. They said about 10 different numbers over the course of the day. This is just one example.

Ten? TEN?!? REALLY? All right, I've had it. Show me, please. In chronological order, please show me TEN news reports from the SAME SOURCE with TEN DIFFERENT numbers. You STILL haven't even told us where this "gross disinformation" came from!

It wasn't "false" when they told us only the gunmen was dead, 3 in critical condition, and 6 in serious condition with headshots. That was how it stood at the time. The 5 who died took time to die. One or two more may yet die. Get a clue.

QFtmfT.

Intangelon, that's the point. I don't think it's right that papers break false news to get ratings and more people looking at their articles. I think they should held accountable for doing so. If you don't know how many casualties there are, then don't start giving numbers. That's what I'm saying. If the papers don't know people are dead, then don't make false claims.

It wasn't "false" when they told us only the gunmen was dead, 3 in critical condition, and 6 in serious condition with headshots. That was how it stood at the time. The 5 who died took time to die. One or two more may yet die. Get a clue.

I believe you.

Galileo.

What's why you need proof before writing articles. You don't write an article without some kind of standards. A bystander tells you that two people are injured and the gunman is dead it not an acceptable level of fact checking.

The information that they're getting is more than likely coming from the police involved with the investigation, not civilian bystanders. Also, as time moves forward, the known facts and numbers may change.

I believe you.

Galileo.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?

Yes, I honestly believe that they knowingly gave out what was likely false numbers to get more people looking at their articles.
We don't honestly believe that you even remember what you heard or read.

Intangelon, that's the point. I don't think it's right that papers break false news to get ratings and more people looking at their articles. I think they should held accountable for doing so. If you don't know how many casualties there are, then don't start giving numbers. That's what I'm saying. If the papers don't know people are dead, then don't make false claims.

And the empty barrel drones on.

I have no fewer then seven friends who attend NIU. Thank goodness they are alright. Only one actually was nearby when it happened, because she saw a lot of people running out the building screaming.