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This is the latest in a long laundry list of idiotic BS that both this state, and the fundie morons in this country have committed.

Kansas HS refuses female official
St. Mary's Acad. says woman cannot ref boys game (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/highschool/02/13/female.official.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)

Now, I'm a religious person. But, this is going miles over the line. And other christians stand in wonderment over why others don't like them??? What is it with these last few years that has made the weirdos think it's okay to start acting like this publically? Seriously, the woman mentioned in the article had been officiating games at this particular school for TEN YEARS previous to this event. So, what up with the ugly head rearing itself since GWB? I'm utterly ashamed by proxy.

Stupid.....

If God has any real feeling of dealing some justice to the world, a tornado would strike that school right about now....

*waits*

:(

That's...bizarre.

What is it with Kansas and crazy cults?

that about sums up my feelings

Theyre Christians.

And its in Kansas.


Id be suprised if this was an isolated incident.

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

Theyre Christians.

And its in Kansas.


Id be suprised if this was an isolated incident.

Misogynistic idiots. I hope they get sued into the Dark Ages.

I wonder if Kansassians are surprised by the reputation their state has...

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

Yeah, it's that weird off shoot of the Catholic church that decided to take it 'old school.'

I read this yesterday, thought it was damn stupid. I dig the response of the whateveryoucallit..."That's your rule, fine. You can play basketball against yourself then, fuckers." I wasn't clear on whether or not the third referee that was called in finally called the game or not. I know at first he said he wouldn't, but I couldn't tell if he stuck to that. Haven't read the linked articles, just remembering the one stumble showed me yesterday, a blogger implied that he did, but then the article didn't seem to say if he did or not.

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

Im sorry I wasnt clear. My point was that the combination makes me not suprised, lets face it, Christians in Kansas tend to be...you know

Yeah, it's that weird off shoot of the Catholic church that decided to take it 'old school.'

I read this yesterday, thought it was damn stupid. I dig the response of the whateveryoucallit..."That's your rule, fine. You can play basketball against yourself then, fuckers." I wasn't clear on whether or not the third referee that was called in finally called the game or not. I know at first he said he wouldn't, but I couldn't tell if he stuck to that. Haven't read the linked articles, just remembering the one stumble showed me yesterday, a blogger implied that he did, but then the article didn't seem to say if he did or not.

This article seems to indicate that he did not.

Im sorry I wasnt clear. My point was that the combination makes me not suprised, lets face it, Christians in Kansas tend to be...you know

Seeing as I live all of about ten minutes away from Kansas, I do indeed know, sadly.

I just figured we ought to give credit where credit is due, and note that the conservative Protestants who make up most of Kansas may cheerfully agree to, say, literally redefine "science" in order to teach complete nonsense in public schools, but they at least have yet to demand that none of the people teaching that complete nonsense have vaginas. :p

Yeah, Kansas has had a long and storied history of doing really stupid stuff. I'm not going to get into everything, but before they were even a state it was basically a battleground where pro- and anti- slavery groups led genocides against each other so that when the referendum came up there would be less people voting for the other side. wow.

edit: Maybe it's something in the soil.

Sometimes I hope that people in other nations don't read about lest world opinion of America falls even lower. If the world has any positive opinion of us any more.

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

I am not hearing any important representatives from major churches loudly declaring that though.

Which of course is the whole problem: the churches do not protect their image. Hiring a PR manager apparantly is too hard... as is taking a stance.

Yeah, it's that weird off shoot of the Catholic church that decided to take it 'old school.'

More 'old school' than the Vatican? Do they sit in caves and carve pictures of dinosaurs into slabs of rock? :p

More 'old school' than the Vatican? Do they sit in caves and carve pictures of dinosaurs into slabs of rock? :p

Yes, but they also carve pictures of humans hunting those dinosaurs. That's part of the problem...

You mean mammoths did not help create the pyramids in the beginning of time, 10 000 BC ?Excited much?

Sometimes I hope that people in other nations don't read about lest world opinion of America falls even lower. If the world has any positive opinion of us any more.

By this point, they're probably ignoring Kansas on the grounds that it removes any challenge.

Excited much?

I was kinda, until they said, "From the makers of Independence Day, and Day After Tomorrow...I hate those guys...seriously, how do you fuck up a Godzilla movie?

Yes, but they also carve pictures of humans hunting those dinosaurs. That's part of the problem...

You mean mammoths did not help create the pyramids in the beginning of time, 10 000 BC ?

Thus confirming that I can count the good things to come out of Kansas on one hand. And that's counting the two people who won Survivor...

Seeing as I live all of about ten minutes away from Kansas, I do indeed know, sadly.

I just figured we ought to give credit where credit is due, and note that the conservative Protestants who make up most of Kansas may cheerfully agree to, say, literally redefine "science" in order to teach complete nonsense in public schools, but they at least have yet to demand that none of the people teaching that complete nonsense have vaginas. :p

I don't see why they would. I mean, women can be secretaries, teachers and housewives. It's important to let them have a job so they can earn money until they get married and live to please their husbands from then on.

Sometimes I hope that people in other nations don't read about lest world opinion of America falls even lower. If the world has any positive opinion of us any more.

Maybe it might improve the opinion of America in Saudi Arabia?

This is the latest in a long laundry list of idiotic BS that both this state, and the fundie morons in this country have committed.

Kansas HS refuses female official
St. Mary's Acad. says woman cannot ref boys game (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/highschool/02/13/female.official.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)

Now, I'm a religious person. But, this is going miles over the line. And other christians stand in wonderment over why others don't like them??? What is it with these last few years that has made the weirdos think it's okay to start acting like this publically? Seriously, the woman mentioned in the article had been officiating games at this particular school for TEN YEARS previous to this event. So, what up with the ugly head rearing itself since GWB? I'm utterly ashamed by proxy.

If they were 'Teh Ebil Moslems', I bet this thread would be 10 pages long by now. :p

Annoyed is more like it. I can already hear the millions of kiddies that will actually believe those aspects of the movie to be true.That's not much different from Ninja Turtles or any other movies, though.

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

I am not hearing any important representatives from major churches loudly declaring that though.

Which of course is the whole problem: the churches do not protect their image. Hiring a PR manager apparantly is too hard... as is taking a stance.

"Kinda nuts"? The Pius X founder was excommunicated by the pope in 1980 (from the OP link's story). I'm pretty sure Catholic ostracism doesn't get more severe than a "hit the bricks" from His Holiness. How much louder should, or can, a 28-year-old bitch-slap get?

Excited much?

Annoyed is more like it. I can already hear the millions of kiddies that will actually believe those aspects of the movie to be true.

If they were 'Teh Ebil Moslems', I bet this thread would be 10 pages long by now. :p

oh, at least. :rolleyes:

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I would love to give her authority over my body.

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Well, it's starting to make sense now.

Well, it's starting to make sense now.

No kidding. The teams wouldn't be able to focus.

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Theyre Christians.

And its in Kansas.


Id be suprised if this was an isolated incident.

Yes because every citizen of Kansas belongs to a cult ran by an excommunicated bishop.:rolleyes:

This is the latest in a long laundry list of idiotic BS that both this state, and the fundie morons in this country have committed.
Read the article. It was a private High School in the State of Kansas. It's the Kansan Government who is investigating this because the Kansan Government does not think that this is right.

Since when does the action of a single High School show that all Kansans are like that, in the same way when one Muslim blows herself up all Muslims are suicide bombers and hate Westerners?

Your double standard sucks balls.


If God has any real feeling of dealing some justice to the world, a tornado would strike that school right about now....
What? And kill all of the students and teachers? That's a really insensitive thing to say about people in Kansas when you wish them to die of a tornado. That's like telling a South African to go die of AIDS, a person from New Orleans to go die from a hurricane, and so on.

I wonder if Kansassians are surprised by the reputation their state has...
No, but I'm also surprised that you actually believe. It's Kansan, btw.


I just figured we ought to give credit where credit is due, and note that the conservative Protestants who make up most of Kansas may cheerfully agree to, say, literally redefine "science" in order to teach complete nonsense in public schools, but they at least have yet to demand that none of the people teaching that complete nonsense have vaginas.
And as a Christian Protestant living within Kansas, I believe in Evolution, that safe sex should be taught and that abstinence although admirable is a bunch of crock to teach in school, blowing your dumbass stereotype out of the water.

Here's my word of advice for ya'll:

Start thinking for yourself for a change, and don't let the media's representation of Kansas fool you. You're a fools if you that stereotype of Christians who live in Kansas are misogynistic idiots who never received a proper education, and that we all don't believe in evolution is true. And I hope you start having your own opinions instead of being sheep for the media.

"Kinda nuts"? The Pius X founder was excommunicated by the pope in 1980 (from the OP link's story). I'm pretty sure Catholic ostracism doesn't get more severe than a "hit the bricks" from His Holiness. How much louder should, or can, a 28-year-old bitch-slap get?

It can be repeated now.

While I agree it is unfair and all, the actions of such denounced fringe groups do taint the image outsiders have of the main group. One can whine about humans being stupid or one can do something about it and hire a PR manager.

It can be repeated now.

While I agree it is unfair and all, the actions of such denounced fringe groups do taint the image outsiders have of the main group. One can whine about humans being stupid or one can do something about it and hire a PR manager.

It was indeed repeated in the SI story. I agree, though, that there should be an official Father Guido Sarducci-type of Vatican spokesperson who comes on to interview shows and news broadcasts to read statements of disassociation whenever some lunatic fringe group gets press.

ANCHOR: We have, via satellite from The Vatican, Cardinal Daniel Streetmentioner, the Pontiff's Official in charge of Horseshit. Cardinal Streetmentioner, what is the Pope's position on this incident?

CARDINAL: Well, seeing as how these nutjobs were officially excommunicated in 1980, our official position is that they are not a part of the Catholic Church. However, the unofficial word around the Pope's apartments is that these Piux X people are...how did he put it?...Ah yes, here's the translation: "crazy as shit-house rats".

ANCHOR: I see. Thank you, Cardinal.

CARDINAL: Believe me, it's my pleasure.

More 'old school' than the Vatican? Do they sit in caves and carve pictures of dinosaurs into slabs of rock? :p

Pre-Vatican II.

Theyre Christians.

And its in Kansas.


Id be suprised if this was an isolated incident.

add to that it's a private school, and not a full member of the Athletics Association, and it seems alot of the referees are banning the school...

I think it's pretty much resolving itself. ;)

One minor problem with that, this group wants to be in the dark ages.

Oh, see this is why Andaluciae gets the big bucks.

Yes because every citizen of Kansas belongs to a cult ran by an excommunicated bishop.:rolleyes:
No, some of them belong to cults they founded themselves! :D

Misogynistic idiots. I hope they get sued into the Dark Ages.

One minor problem with that, this group wants to be in the dark ages.

Read the article. It was a private High School in the State of Kansas. It's the Kansan Government who is investigating this because the Kansan Government does not think that this is right.

Since when does the action of a single High School show that all Kansans are like that, in the same way when one Muslim blows herself up all Muslims are suicide bombers and hate Westerners?

Your double standard sucks balls.


Well, I think that people were responding to Kansas' long and well documented history of being a bit unbalanced. It's good that the government is looking into this, but in the past (and here as well) it has been the citizens of Kansas that really caused the problem, with perhaps the notable exception of Brown V. Board of Ed.

To be fair, they're not just Christians. They're members of a weird uber-conservative offshoot of Catholicism that most other Catholics think is kinda nuts.

I was surprised to find that the school involved wasn't run by Phelpsians or other fundamentalist wackos.

Up until now I've had a positive opinion of the Society of Pius X overall, especially their opposition to Novus Ordo and other excesses of Vatican II, but this is just silly.

They should be concerned with things like restoring traditional Catholic liturgy to the Church at large and purging the Church of child molesters, perverts and sexual deviants and their enablers and protectors, not nonsense like this.

And as a Christian Protestant living within Kansas, I believe in Evolution, that safe sex should be taught and that abstinence although admirable is a bunch of crock to teach in school, blowing your dumbass stereotype out of the water.

Oh, shush. I'm a Missourian; I'm morally obligated to make fun of Kansas. :p

Besides, I really wasn't using a stereotype. I believe I pointed to the fact that the MAJORITY approved a school board that was happy to redefine "science" as a means towards their stupid agenda, which is true. It would be inane to suggest that all Kansans think that way. (I also kind of went out of my way to point out that the specific topic of this thread was not typical of Kansan attitudes, which makes yelling at me for stereotyping Kansans particularly silly.)

Well, I think that people were responding to Kansas' long and well documented history of being a bit unbalanced. It's good that the government is looking into this, but in the past (and here as well) it has been the citizens of Kansas that really caused the problem, with perhaps the notable exception of Brown V. Board of Ed.

And that justifies the stereotyping how exactly? How is it different than classifying all muslims as terroists, all welfare people as lazy?

I was surprised to find that the school involved wasn't run by Phelpsians or other fundamentalist wackos.

Up until now I've had a positive opinion of the Society of Pius X overall, especially their opposition to Novus Ordo and other excesses of Vatican II, but this is just silly.

They should be concerned with things like restoring traditional Catholic liturgy to the Church at large and purging the Church of child molesters, perverts and sexual deviants and their enablers and protectors, not nonsense like this.

Vatican II wasn't a bad thing. Unless you think anti-semitism has a place in the Catholic Church.

And that justifies the stereotyping how exactly? How is it different than classifying all muslims as terroists, all welfare people as lazy?

Because there is a long history of uncontested validation here, where there isn't the same in those other situations. I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior, and that people from Kansas shouldn't be quite so defensive when they are faced with their history.

And that justifies the stereotyping how exactly? How is it different than classifying all muslims as terroists, all welfare people as lazy?
Poli specifically said "not all". It is more like saying that MANY Muslims are terrorists.

Poli specifically said "not all". It is more like saying that MANY Muslims are terrorists.

I wasn't talking about Poli's statements. Hers weren't really offensive.

Because there is a long history of uncontested validation here, where there isn't the same in those other situations. I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior, and that people from Kansas shouldn't be quite so defensive when they are faced with their history.

So it's okay to perpetuate these negative stereotypes then? Just like the muslim terrorist. Just like the lazy welfare mom. Just like the gangbanger black guy.

So it's okay to perpetuate these negative stereotypes then? Just like the muslim terrorist. Just like the lazy welfare mom. Just like the gangbanger black guy.

I'm not the one perpetuating them. In any event, I don't think that anyone actually believes that all people from Kansas are like that. If they do than they are most likely just really gullible and it shouldn't be hard to change their mind.

I don't really see any difference between Poli and Hons here (frankly, I didn't even notice which one you were responding to). "I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior" sums it up quite well. It would be as silly to pretend that Kansas has no problem with religious lunacy as to pretend that the Muslim world has no problem with terrorism.

thank you.

edit: whoa, trippy time warp.

I'm not the one perpetuating them. In any event, I don't think that anyone actually believes that all people from Kansas are like that. If they do than they are most likely just really gullible and it shouldn't be hard to change their mind.

No, you're just excusing them. So as long as a stereotype isn't believeable it's okay to perpetuate it? So it's perfectly acceptable to refer to black guys as gang members because obviously they aren't all gang members?

I wasn't talking about Poli's statements. Hers weren't really offensive.

I don't really see any difference between Poli and Hons here (frankly, I didn't even notice which one you were responding to). "I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior" sums it up quite well. It would be as silly to pretend that Kansas has no problem with religious lunacy as to pretend that the Muslim world has no problem with terrorism.

I don't really see any difference between Poli and Hons here (frankly, I didn't even notice which one you were responding to). "I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior" sums it up quite well. It would be as silly to pretend that Kansas has no problem with religious lunacy as to pretend that the Muslim world has no problem with terrorism.

All you have to do is look back to the first page for many fervorent anti-Christian comments and the "What do you expect? It's Kansas!" Never mind the fact this is a private school and Catholic schism ran by an excommunicated bishop.

I live in Kansas.

I heard about this in one of my classes the other day, and everyone in the class was shocked, as was I.

This group is an 'old school' Catholic group, which is not representative of Kansas.

Why make a thread about this :confused:

Why make a thread about this :confused:

How many times are you going to post that objection? This is NationStates GENERAL, under the heading of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. If a thread is deemed spam by the Mods (peace be upon them), they will move the thread to that part of the forum.

Meanwhile, why not try listing or explaining your objection to the subject or the arguments thereabout instead of re-posting the same inane question? Better yet -- if you don't like the thread, ignore it and don't post in it.

Example -- every year, a whole lot of baseball-related threads appear. I loathe Major League Baseball and damn near everything associated with it. And I used to go into those threads and post sarcastic musings about why anyone would bother wasting their time writing about something I thought was so stupid. The answer finally came to me: because they don't think it's stupid, and I have no right to walk in and piss all over someone's thread just because I think it's a waste of time. It made me look like an asshole, and I try to avoid that whenever possible.

Long story short, avoid looking like an asshole and either constructively address the topic or just ignore it. Please?

Because there is a long history of uncontested validation here, where there isn't the same in those other situations. I don't really believe that all people in Kansas act this way, but rather that there is a higher than average incidence rate including these viewpoints and this behavior, and that people from Kansas shouldn't be quite so defensive when they are faced with their history.

The fuck?

So 1 incident like this, and the Phelps wackos, and all Kansans are crazy and backwards?

How does that make any sense?

Why don't you actually visit Kansas, and see how wrong you are.

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to shut your mouth. Now.

It was indeed repeated in the SI story. I agree, though, that there should be an official Father Guido Sarducci-type of Vatican spokesperson who comes on to interview shows and news broadcasts to read statements of disassociation whenever some lunatic fringe group gets press.

ANCHOR: We have, via satellite from The Vatican, Cardinal Daniel Streetmentioner, the Pontiff's Official in charge of Horseshit. Cardinal Streetmentioner, what is the Pope's position on this incident?

CARDINAL: Well, seeing as how these nutjobs were officially excommunicated in 1980, our official position is that they are not a part of the Catholic Church. However, the unofficial word around the Pope's apartments is that these Piux X people are...how did he put it?...Ah yes, here's the translation: "crazy as shit-house rats".

ANCHOR: I see. Thank you, Cardinal.

CARDINAL: Believe me, it's my pleasure.

Exactly. They look silly, the Catholics look good and I can have a chuckle. Everybody wins.

Well, except the silly people, but that is their problem.

Yes, but they also carve pictures of humans hunting those dinosaurs. That's part of the problem...

But if humans didn't hunt dinosaurs, why aren't there still dinosaurs! Huh? Huh?

The fuck?

So 1 incident like this, and the Phelps wackos, and all Kansans are crazy and backwards?

How does that make any sense?

Why don't you actually visit Kansas, and see how wrong you are.

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to shut your mouth. Now.

Uh...not just those things, but Creationism/ID officially replacing evolution, and lots more stuff. Only one or two people here posted that anything resembling "all" Kansans are nuts, and they were addressed as the drive-by generalizers that they were for posting them. Relax.

(Besides, "Now."? Really? Or what? What will you do? Glare at those drive-by posters' names with rabid intensity while thinking really bad thoughts about them? Even you can't be a subscriber to threats in an online forum.)

The fuck?

So 1 incident like this, and the Phelps wackos, and all Kansans are crazy and backwards?

How does that make any sense?

Why don't you actually visit Kansas, and see how wrong you are.

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to shut your mouth. Now.

I'm really sorry that you don't know your own state's history, and also have chosen to not read all my posts before you get upset about them. Someone else should teach this kid a lesson, I don't have the time.

All you have to do is look back to the first page for many fervorent anti-Christian comments and the "What do you expect? It's Kansas!" Never mind the fact this is a private school and Catholic schism ran by an excommunicated bishop.
Yeah, and Westboro is a private family cult, and the creationists only won the state school board once...
When Koresh burned down his whole compound rather than give up his guns, we said "What do you expect? It's Texas!" And when the Chief Justice let himself get thrown out of office rather than take down his two-ton Ten Commandments icon, we said "What do you expect? It's Alabama!" Not that ALL (or even most) Texans or Alabamans are like that, but some of our states do have lamentable tendencies toward particular varieties of religious lunatic.
So it's perfectly acceptable to refer to black guys as gang members because obviously they aren't all gang members?
If you are referring to some black guys who are, in fact, gang members? Is it politically incorrect to note that gangs do, in fact, exist? How about mentioning that some white guys in prison really are neo-Nazis?

Yeah, Kansas has had a long and storied history of doing really stupid stuff. I'm not going to get into everything, but before they were even a state it was basically a battleground where pro- and anti- slavery groups led genocides against each other so that when the referendum came up there would be less people voting for the other side. wow.

edit: Maybe it's something in the soil.

well i have lived in Kansas for most of my life and i can attest to the fact that 99 percent of the people are normal people that arent sexust. unfortunatly there are the 1 percent of people that have to go and give the place a bad name. also Kansas was never a Genocidal place for slavery wars. what happened was that 3000 plus people from surrounding slave states came in and cast their pro slavery votes illegaly which upset the vote. There was never a huge battle.
but I suppose its in peoples nature to be wrong most of the time and heavily judgmental because i have lived in Kansas and Pennsylvania and let me tell you people in Pennsylvania think that Kansas is backwards but its not. We never had to pay many taxes and KANSAS's schools are ranked higher than many schools in Pennsylvania .
finally if you people would actually read you would have noticed that this so called School was private and in no way affiliated with the state so many people would appreciate it if you wouldnt jump to conclusions so fast and spreading stupid stereotipical lies because you probably have never lived in Kansas so how can you possibly form a valid opinion?

I've just noticed that the name Kansas has the world "ass" in it if you add an extra "s".

I'm sorry, I have nothing else to add.

Yeah, and Westboro is a private family cult, and the creationists only won the state school board once...
When Koresh burned down his whole compound rather than give up his guns, we said "What do you expect? It's Texas!" And when the Chief Justice let himself get thrown out of office rather than take down his two-ton Ten Commandments icon, we said "What do you expect? It's Alabama!" Not that ALL (or even most) Texans or Alabamans are like that, but some of our states do have lamentable tendencies toward particular varieties of religious lunatic.
Really? Care to back that up with more than anecdotal evidence? Care to prove that those states have more nutjobs than other states?

If you are referring to some black guys who are, in fact, gang members? Is it politically incorrect to note that gangs do, in fact, exist? How about mentioning that some white guys in prison really are neo-Nazis?
No, I'm talking about generalizations like you are so avidly supporting and making. So if the news story was "Person gunned down in south/ central LA by a black perpetrator" it would be okay to say: "What do you expect? It's black people. It's south/ central. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often." It's okay to say that then?

I'm really sorry that you don't know your own state's history, and also have chosen to not read all my posts before you get upset about them. Someone else should teach this kid a lesson, I don't have the time.

Says the n00b.

I've just noticed that the name Kansas has the world "ass" in it if you add an extra "s".

I'm sorry, I have nothing else to add.

How enlightening.

Uh...not just those things, but Creationism/ID officially replacing evolution, and lots more stuff. Only one or two people here posted that anything resembling "all" Kansans are nuts, and they were addressed as the drive-by generalizers that they were for posting them. Relax.

(Besides, "Now."? Really? Or what? What will you do? Glare at those drive-by posters' names with rabid intensity while thinking really bad thoughts about them? Even you can't be a subscriber to threats in an online forum.)

Ah, that. I wasn't in the state for high school (other than freshman year), so I never encountered ID in school. No one I know actually believes in Creationism. I'm back now, and in my (college) classes we learned Evolution. And lots of it.

I live in Kansas.

I heard about this in one of my classes the other day, and everyone in the class was shocked, as was I.

This group is an 'old school' Catholic group, which is not representative of Kansas.

Same here. Somehow people seem to think we're full of Phelpsians who believe only in creationism and believe women should still be at home making babies. Not that I don't realize why they do. We've built up a nasty reputation.

The majority of Kansans with the exception of Phelps-followers and this 'old school' Catholic group are open-minded people. And my schools have always taught evolution, as well. We are NOT full of sexist morons. Though I have seen more than a few hicks in Western Kansas....:p

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Your double standard sucks balls.


What? And kill all of the students and teachers? That's a really insensitive thing to say about people in Kansas when you wish them to die of a tornado. That's like telling a South African to go die of AIDS, a person from New Orleans to go die from a hurricane, and so on.

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Who said he thought the kids or teachers should be IN the school when it happened?

Really? Care to back that up with more than anecdotal evidence? Care to prove that those states have more nutjobs than other states?
What I was saying was not that they have "more" nutjobs (that would be hard to gather statistics on, without a rigorous definition of "nutjob") but that each place has nutjobs of its own particular type, and concerning the types I mentioned, the statistics are irrefutable:
NUMBER OF SELF-PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS WHO BURNED DOWN A COMPOUND TO AVOID SURRENDERING GUNS, in Texas: 1
NUMBER OF SELF-PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS WHO BURNED DOWN A COMPOUND TO AVOID SURRENDERING GUNS, in other 49 states combined: 0
NUMBER OF SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICES WHO GAVE UP JOB TO AVOID TAKING DOWN 10 COMMANDMENTS ICON, in Alabama: 1
NUMBER OF SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICES WHO GAVE UP JOB TO AVOID TAKING DOWN 10 COMMANDMENTS ICON, in other 49 states combined: 0
No, I'm talking about generalizations like you are so avidly supporting and making. So if the news story was "Person gunned down in south/ central LA by a black perpetrator" it would be okay to say: "What do you expect? It's black people. It's south/ central. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often." It's okay to say that then?
I would, indeed, shrug and be completely unsurprised by such a story. I live in Detroit, and hear about senseless killings on the local news with depressing frequency: it would be senseless to pretend that this is not a problem in Detroit.

I've just noticed that the name Kansas has the world "ass" in it if you add an extra "s".

I'm sorry, I have nothing else to add.

You didn't add anything the first time, so "else" is a bit of unnecessary.

Same here. Somehow people seem to think we're full of Phelpsians who believe only in creationism and believe women should still be at home making babies. Not that I don't realize why they do. We've built up a nasty reputation.

The majority of Kansans with the exception of Phelps-followers and this 'old school' Catholic group are open-minded people. And my schools have always taught evolution, as well. We are NOT full of sexist morons. Though I have seen more than a few hicks in Western Kansas....:p

Aw, don't mock the hicks, love. XD

Ah, I'm just kidding, anyway...

As for the whole 'woman should not have authority over men' thing, that's really wrong. We are a nation of equality, and even though you can have whatever religion you can think up, you must respect other's rights.

Although, I'm neither a Christian or a Catholic, or any religion near them, I was a Christian awhile back. I find it rather wrong that there is a directed hate toward Christians and Catholics. Not all of them are fringe lunatic groups.

This is the latest in a long laundry list of idiotic BS that both this state, and the fundie morons in this country have committed.

Kansas HS refuses female official
St. Mary's Acad. says woman cannot ref boys game (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/highschool/02/13/female.official.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)

Now, I'm a religious person. But, this is going miles over the line. And other christians stand in wonderment over why others don't like them??? What is it with these last few years that has made the weirdos think it's okay to start acting like this publically? Seriously, the woman mentioned in the article had been officiating games at this particular school for TEN YEARS previous to this event. So, what up with the ugly head rearing itself since GWB? I'm utterly ashamed by proxy.

Now I do not know how they assign games in Kansas but in PA, the schools get the list of officials who are officiating their games in advance.

As a licensed highschool/middle school official, I find this insulting to all officials be it male or female.

What I was saying was not that they have "more" nutjobs (that would be hard to gather statistics on, without a rigorous definition of "nutjob") but that each place has nutjobs of its own particular type, and concerning the types I mentioned, the statistics are irrefutable:
NUMBER OF SELF-PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS WHO BURNED DOWN A COMPOUND TO AVOID SURRENDERING GUNS, in Texas: 1
NUMBER OF SELF-PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS WHO BURNED DOWN A COMPOUND TO AVOID SURRENDERING GUNS, in other 49 states combined: 0
NUMBER OF SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICES WHO GAVE UP JOB TO AVOID TAKING DOWN 10 COMMANDMENTS ICON, in Alabama: 1
NUMBER OF SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICES WHO GAVE UP JOB TO AVOID TAKING DOWN 10 COMMANDMENTS ICON, in other 49 states combined: 0
And that proves that there's no crazy people in other states how exactly? Putting something in caps doesn't somehow make this not anecdotal. Show me some sort of evidence that this doesn't happen in other states. Show me some evidence that there's no equal insanity that comes from other states.

I would, indeed, shrug and be completely unsurprised by such a story. I live in Detroit, and hear about senseless killings on the local news with depressing frequency: it would be senseless to pretend that this is not a problem in Detroit.
You aren't reading what I'm writing. Go back and look at what I wrote and read it really, really carefully. I'm not talking about the reaction to such a story, not the story itself. Stop shifting the goal posts and respond directly to something for a change.

Stupid.....

If God has any real feeling of dealing some justice to the world, a tornado would strike that school right about now....

*waits*

If that happens all the fundies will think it's a sign from god that teh wimminz shouldn't referee basketball

Vatican II wasn't a bad thing. Unless you think anti-semitism has a place in the Catholic Church.

False dichotomy, my friend. The choice isn't "Vatican II and no more references to "perfidious Jews"" or "no Vatican II and anti-Semitism."

And my exact statement referred to "Novus Ordo and other excesses of Vatican II", not to Vatican II in general.

I will now abort this potential thread hi-jack :D

And that proves that there's no crazy people in other states how exactly? ...You aren't reading what I'm writing.
No, YOU are not reading. Apparently, if I put part of my post in caps, this prevents you from seeing any of the rest of it. Try re-reading the opening sentence of what you quoted.
I DID NOT EVER, EVER SAY THAT "THERE'S NO CRAZY PEOPLE IN OTHER STATES."
I DID NOT EVER, EVER SAY THAT THERE ARE "MORE" CRAZY PEOPLE IN TEXAS/ALABAMA/KANSAS THAN IN OTHER STATES, IN FACT I SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMED THAT.
I SAID THAT EACH PARTICULAR PLACE TENDS TO HAVE ITS OWN PARTICULAR KIND OF CRAZY PEOPLE.
In Detroit there are some crazy teens who will insult, beat, or even shoot other teens for their choice of stylish shoes. This is not "all" Detroiters, or "most" Detroiters, or "any significant fraction of 1% of" Detroiters. Nor can I be sure that this "never" occurs elsewhere. However, I would bet that this particular form of crazy is much rarer in Kansas.

No, YOU are not reading. Apparently, if I put part of my post in caps, this prevents you from seeing any of the rest of it. Try re-reading the opening sentence of what you quoted.
I DID NOT EVER, EVER SAY THAT "THERE'S NO CRAZY PEOPLE IN OTHER STATES."
I DID NOT EVER, EVER SAY THAT THERE ARE "MORE" CRAZY PEOPLE IN TEXAS/ALABAMA/KANSAS THAN IN OTHER STATES, IN FACT I SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMED THAT.
I SAID THAT EACH PARTICULAR PLACE TENDS TO HAVE ITS OWN PARTICULAR KIND OF CRAZY PEOPLE.
In Detroit there are some crazy teens who will insult, beat, or even shoot other teens for their choice of stylish shoes. This is not "all" Detroiters, or "most" Detroiters, or "any significant fraction of 1% of" Detroiters. Nor can I be sure that this "never" occurs elsewhere. However, I would bet that this particular form of crazy is much rarer in Kansas.

Relax.

Have some dip.

No, YOU are not reading. Apparently, if I put part of my post in caps, this prevents you from seeing any of the rest of it. Try re-reading the opening sentence of what you quoted. Snip

When you purposefully make parts of your post excessively annoying you probably should expect peoples attention to be drawn towards those parts

Yes, well, I was being excessively annoying because I was excessively annoyed.

Yes, well, I was being excessively annoying because I was excessively annoyed.

For no really good reason other than perhaps regional pride, but hey.

Yes, well, I was being excessively annoying because I was excessively annoyed.

Thats fine but you just should not be surprised at the reactions ...

Care to prove that those states have more nutjobs than other states?
Weren't you the one who established that if something really crazy made the news, it was bound to be either from Florida or Germany?

So, apparently there is a trend of some kind - whether you like it or not.

Thats fine but you just should not be surprised at the reactions ...

No, and I wasn't surprised. I knew right after I'd posted that it was obviously past time to go to bed, I was getting cranky. It happens :mp5:

Weren't you the one who established that if something really crazy made the news, it was bound to be either from Florida or Germany?

So, apparently there is a trend of some kind - whether you like it or not.

No that was Adam corolla on Love line, he created the "germany or florida" game years ago

Theyre Christians.

And its in Kansas.


Id be surprised if this was an isolated incident.

I too think this is ridiculous (I'm an atheist) but aren't you a fierce opponent of stereotyping all the members of a religion?:confused:

Or is that just when the religion under fire happens to be Islam?

No that was Adam corolla on Love line, he created the "germany or florida" game years ago
Never even heard of it before she mentioned it.

I too think this is ridiculous (I'm an atheist) but aren't you a fierce opponent of stereotyping all the members of a religion?:confused:

Or is that just when the religion under fire happens to be Islam?


I wasnt attacking Christians, I was saying that considering certian fundie groups in Kansas, Im not suprised when some Christians in Kansas behave like fools.



No matter the religion when its followers make asses of themselves, I will call them out on it.

I wasnt attacking Christians, I was saying that considering certian fundie groups in Kansas, Im not suprised when some Christians in Kansas behave like fools.



No matter the religion when its followers make asses of themselves, I will call them out on it.

then you shouldn't have said. "Theyre Christians." that implies the whole Religion.

even "Theyre Christians in Kansas" is attacking the religion.

now if you said, "Theyre Religious Nutcases" then that wouldn't be an attack on the religion.

Let's grant Kansas independence. Then they can be the laughing stock of the world, and only their reputation will suffer, not ours.