Boring Racism
Neo Kervoskia
14-02-2008, 01:16
Have you ever heard a comment so racist, so vile, so...so...boring that you wanted to shove a drown a sack of puppies? "We get it, asshole. Blacks like chicken. Be creative!" or "No, no more! No more pp in my coke, goddamn it!"
Yeah?
VietnamSounds
14-02-2008, 01:20
The polish jokes are kind of old by now.
Newer Burmecia
14-02-2008, 01:27
Without naming names, there are a few posts in a few current threads that leap to mind...
Trotskylvania
14-02-2008, 01:28
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
The blessed Chris
14-02-2008, 01:36
I'm quite prone to racist jokes myself, apparently having all the comic morals of Jimmy Carr, however, anything particularly crude really does get my goat.
Chumblywumbly
14-02-2008, 01:39
A lot of the anti-English sentiment you get in Scotland wears after a while, and the nonsensical anti-French sentiment that runs around Britain in general is just stupid.
Sumamba Buwhan
14-02-2008, 01:39
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Fuck! Shit like that pisses me off.
Boonytopia
14-02-2008, 01:40
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Wow, that's impressive.
A lot of the anti-English sentiment you get in Scotland wears after a while, and the nonsensical anti-French sentiment that runs around Britain in general is just stupid.
I'm tired of the typical Scottish stereotype of fat-bastard hit-men who eat babies.
I'm tired of the typical Scottish stereotype of fat-bastard hit-men who eat babies.
Well, that's you're own damn fault
Sort of anyways, Mike Meyers is of Scottish descent.
:p
Pure Metal
14-02-2008, 01:51
its not racist, but the anti-French and anti-Polish (workers) jokes are fucking old. the former by a few hundered years...
i did have a guy yelling at me (drunkenly) that the "EFNIKS" were stealing all his business' goods, and "YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT", and that he had loads of problems with his Town Council because "THEY'RE ALL FUCKING INDIANS"
if it wasn't in real life it would have been funny :rolleyes:
Fleckenstein
14-02-2008, 01:53
Obama's an Eb1l M05|_3M is damn tiring.
Sumamba Buwhan
14-02-2008, 01:57
also the 'every bodies racist. the people who say they aren't are lying' thing bugs the hell out of me
yes, there have been a few time since getting to school when I have seen examples of ignorant behavior and just found myself to be tired of these horribly aged and stupid comments. It's amazing and sad as a history major to see how much the opinions and views of people different from oneself has not changed over hundreds and even thousands of years.
Chumblywumbly
14-02-2008, 02:05
I'm tired of the typical Scottish stereotype of fat-bastard hit-men who eat babies.
I'm quite fond of the Scottish stereotype, even though I should probably be more offended by it. Groundskeeper Wullie is one of my favourite Simpsons characters ("I din'na cry when me own faither wa hung fo stealin a pig...but I'll cry now!"), while all the 'Scottish' stuff in So I Married An Axe Murderer is priceless:
"You know, Scotland has its own martial arts. Yeah, it's called... fuckyoo!!
It's mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they're on the ground."
also the 'every bodies racist. the people who say they aren't are lying' thing bugs the hell out of me
I fucking hate that!
Bullshit!
Just because you're a biased fuckwit doesn't mean everybody else is.
I mean, sure, everyone judges people, some of us prefer to do it on actions rather than skin colour. I say everyone ought to be judged by ear-size. :p
The polish jokes are kind of old by now.
Polish jokes? There are polish jokes?!!
Tell me one!
I have to know... my bf's Polish. What better way to torture him?
:)
VietnamSounds
14-02-2008, 02:10
What the hell? Do they even have camels in india? There's a lot of jungle.
edit: I just realized it's probably about how the egyptians used to capture indians to be camel jockeys, nevermind.
Cannot think of a name
14-02-2008, 02:12
I'm quite prone to racist jokes myself, apparently having all the comic morals of Jimmy Carr, however, anything particularly crude really does get my goat.
No! Really?
Aaaanyway...
I had a close friend in high school who was Indian (from India) who was very dark skinned. Every once in a while someone would call him a 'camel jockey.' I remember once after someone had said it asking him if he had ever even seen a camel. He responded, "Yeah, well, once. At the zoo. Remember that camel we saw at the zoo?" It made me laugh at the time.
I fucking hate that!
Bullshit!
Just because you're a biased fuckwit doesn't mean everybody else is.
I mean, sure, everyone judges people, some of us prefer to do it on actions rather than skin colour. I say everyone ought to be judged by ear-size. :p
Sounds good to me... Wait, is it big ears good or small ears good?
Polish jokes? There are polish jokes?!!
Tell me one!
I have to know... my bf's Polish. What better way to torture him?
:)OK
Why is a Polish prostitute like an Ice Hockey goalie?
Answer in white text below
They both take showers after every 3 periods.
That's ridiculous as well. I know you're joking, but, everyone should be judged on themselves as individuals.
That was rather the point don't you think, and really it's no more ridiculous than judging some based on their skin color.
Amor Pulchritudo
14-02-2008, 02:27
Without naming names, there are a few posts in a few current threads that leap to mind...
Oh, I'll name names.
The_Blessed_Chris.
The Atlantian Islands.
Amor Pulchritudo
14-02-2008, 02:29
I fucking hate that!
Bullshit!
Just because you're a biased fuckwit doesn't mean everybody else is.
I mean, sure, everyone judges people, some of us prefer to do it on actions rather than skin colour. I say everyone ought to be judged by ear-size. :p
*snip*
That's ridiculous as well. I know you're joking, but, everyone should be judged on themselves as individuals.
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
I'd have started ranting at them all about their racism.
Sirmomo1
14-02-2008, 02:34
I know you're joking, but, everyone should be judged on themselves as individuals.
If you know it's a joke, why bother?
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Ignorance and racism remain prevalent in many areas. My thought has always been that the more people intermix, and have experiences with multiple people of different races, the more readily they are able to form a positive image of that race. People have a natural apprehension around people who are different from them. They may get get this feeling from a variety of different sources. If they have few interactions with a person of another race that is negative they are likely to form a negative image of that race. Also, if they have a traumatic experience with a person of another race (think, rape, murder, etc,) they are likely to retain a negative image of that race. If someone has more interactions with another race and most of them are positive, they are more likely to rule out negative events as not part of a larger schema. They realize that this is an individual, and they are not representative of their entire race. This is not to say that racism is not evident in large urban areas such as the NY metro area where I live. It just means you are likely to find more people who are accepting because of our diversity. Don't worry, you can always go to college and move away.
Sounds good to me... Wait, is it big ears good or small ears good?
OK
Why is a Polish prostitute like an Ice Hockey goalie?
Answer in white text below
They both take showers after every 3 periods.
Small ears good. Purely because it's my standard and my ears are small! :p
Haha. I'm gonna have to remember that.
Any more?
That's ridiculous as well. I know you're joking, but, everyone should be judged on themselves as individuals.
Irony. I believe we developed a sense of humour to better deal with assholes and racists. Or racist assholes for that matter. Even asshole racists.
:)
People need to lighten up a little. Does wonders for your blood pressure.
That was rather the point don't you think, and really it's no more ridiculous than judging some based on their skin color.
Exactamundo. Or hair length, or nose shape, or voice tone, etc, etc.
Fall of Empire
14-02-2008, 02:38
Why is a Polish prostitute like an Ice Hockey goalie?
Answer in white text below
They both take showers after every 3 periods.
Wow... that's exactly like over here... except it's "Mexican prostitute" instead of "polish prostitute".
I guess racist jokes don't change much across oceans. :(
Haha. I'm gonna have to remember that.
Any more?
Not off the top of my head (http://www.polishjoke.com/)
Exactamundo. Or hair length, or nose shape, or voice tone, etc, etc.
Now if only more people would realize that :(
Cannot think of a name
14-02-2008, 02:42
What the hell? Do they even have camels in india? There's a lot of jungle.
edit: I just realized it's probably about how the egyptians used to capture indians to be camel jockeys, nevermind.
No, you were right on the first try. Just ignorance.
Knights of Liberty
14-02-2008, 02:58
The ebil moslam jokes are old.
Except their not jokes, which makes it even more irritating.
I'm not sure if this counts as racisim, but I heard a story from a young woman who grew up near Cooper's Lake, where the SCA holds Pennsic. She said that one of her uncles used to run through town every year when we came to town, screaming that Gypsies had taken over town. "Lock up your daughters!" Admittedly, the Tuchucks don't treat their women all that well, but it's all playacting, and everyone consents. No one's forcing townies into bunny fur bikinis or anything!
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-02-2008, 02:59
its not racist, but the anti-French and anti-Polish (workers) jokes are fucking old. the former by a few hundered years...
i did have a guy yelling at me (drunkenly) that the "EFNIKS" were stealing all his business' goods, and "YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT", and that he had loads of problems with his Town Council because "THEY'RE ALL FUCKING INDIANS"
if it wasn't in real life it would have been funny :rolleyes:
Maybe he'd have better luck getting their help if he didn't keep interrupting them in their bedrooms.
Not off the top of my head (http://www.polishjoke.com/)
Now if only more people would realize that :(
Oh, ta.
Slowly but surely they will. Just so long as the rest of us don't give up.
Epic Fusion
14-02-2008, 03:07
I fucking hate that!
Bullshit!
Just because you're a biased fuckwit doesn't mean everybody else is.
I mean, sure, everyone judges people, some of us prefer to do it on actions rather than skin colour. I say everyone ought to be judged by ear-size. :p
You've completely missed the point of what they're saying if you think that. Assuming they're the racists you speak of just because they believe that line, is nothing more than a false assumption. "Racism isn't just at nazism level, it's simply noticing someone has a different skin colour from you, as soon as you do your actions will change based on that information. If someone walked passed you with bright pink skin and you don't notice, then you probably aren't racist." -That's normally the point they're getting at.
It's unusual for a strongly racist person to think they are racist, so them using that line would be very odd.
Boring racism?
What race is the most boring?
I'd go with the Swedes or the Swiss, with Belgians close behind.
Sumamba Buwhan
14-02-2008, 03:30
When will man learn that all races are inferior to robots? - Bender
Knights of Liberty
14-02-2008, 03:32
Oh, I'll name names.
The_Blessed_Chris.
The Atlantian Islands.
Youre awesome.;)
VietnamSounds
14-02-2008, 03:32
You've completely missed the point of what they're saying if you think that. Assuming they're the racists you speak of just because they believe that line, is nothing more than a false assumption. "Racism isn't just at nazism level, it's simply noticing someone has a different skin colour from you, as soon as you do your actions will change based on that information. If someone walked passed you with bright pink skin and you don't notice, then you probably aren't racist." -That's normally the point they're getting at.
It's unusual for a strongly racist person to think they are racist, so them using that line would be very odd.How is noticing a skin color racist? That's like saying noticing the difference between women and men is sexist.
Fuck! Shit like that pisses me off.
Racists don't make me angry. They are simply missing out on part of life by being delusional. If anything, its kind of sad. But being afraid of or angry toward racists is just as bad as being racist imo. I really hate how some people refuse to say the word ******. Its a superstitious word.
Being spat on isn't very nice though it was to the racist fucks. I was only 10 at the time as well while they were like 17 or 18.
You've completely missed the point of what they're saying if you think that. Assuming they're the racists you speak of just because they believe that line, is nothing more than a false assumption. "Racism isn't just at nazism level, it's simply noticing someone has a different skin colour from you, as soon as you do your actions will change based on that information. If someone walked passed you with bright pink skin and you don't notice, then you probably aren't racist." -That's normally the point they're getting at.
It's unusual for a strongly racist person to think they are racist, so them using that line would be very odd.
No. The point of what they're saying is "I am biased against people because of the pigmentation of their skin, according to current PC-ness that means I'm a racist, but if I argue that 'everyone's a little racist' that makes my bias perfectly acceptable as everyone will be at least as biased as I am."
By assuming that I judge people in the same way you do you're not only being racist, your denying me my right not to be, and completely removing individuality from all involved. It's like saying, "I like dogs, therefore everyone else must like dogs just a little even if they say they really don't."
I agree with your point (underlined) but I also disagree with your definition (bold), I can notice someone's skin colour just as I notice their eye colour, hair colour, what size their feet are, how tall they are, without passing judgement on it, that's not racism, that's just acknowledgement of differences. Racism is when you notice some feature of a person (generally skin colour), and make assumptions (negative, positive, random) about them without any further evidence, whether or not you act on those assumptions.
Forgive me if there is any odd phrasing, or poor grammar, it's nearly 5AM here. I shall now be retiring to bed and will, if necessary, continue this discussion tomorrow.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-02-2008, 03:53
There are only two things I can't stand: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch. :mad:
Chumblywumbly
14-02-2008, 03:59
There are only two things I can’t stand: People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch. :mad:
Damn them and their clogs!
Damn them and their clogs!
Hey! I resemble that remark! Okay, not that remark specifically, I don't think they make those clogs in my size, but still...
New Manvir
14-02-2008, 04:05
I'm tired of the typical Scottish stereotype of fat-bastard hit-men who eat babies.
Scottish hit-men who eat babies? I thought the Scots were just a bunch of people who ran around with blue paint on their faces yelling "FREEDOM!!"
:D
New Limacon
14-02-2008, 04:18
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Yes, that's horrible.
On the other hand, there's one register that will always be open. Which demonstrates an important point: Do your best to teach tolerance. But, if it doesn't work, take advantage of the ignorant bigots.
Wilgrove
14-02-2008, 04:41
I'm tired of the all White Southerns are inbred, bucktooth racist who talk like they have a speech impediment worst than mine.
WE DON'T ALL FUCK OUR SISTERS DAMMIT! >.<
New Limacon
14-02-2008, 04:46
I'm tired of the all White Southerns are inbred, bucktooth racist who talk like they have a speech impediment worst than mine.
WE DON'T ALL FUCK OUR SISTERS DAMMIT! >.<
True. I feel the South is often misrepresented on the national level. It's a shame, because in addition to being an interesting place, it's important enough politically that politicians could only benefit from learning more about it.
Wilgrove
14-02-2008, 04:47
There are only two things I can't stand: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch. :mad:
Austin Powers, his dad right?
Wilgrove
14-02-2008, 04:48
Neither do we: Yours is sometimes available.
Too bad I don't have a sister, so I don't know what you're sleeping with. I do have a brother....
*steps away slowly*
Big Jim P
14-02-2008, 04:51
I'm tired of the all White Southerns are inbred, bucktooth racist who talk like they have a speech impediment worst than mine.
WE DON'T ALL FUCK OUR SISTERS DAMMIT! >.<
Neither do we: Yours is sometimes available.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-02-2008, 04:51
Austin Powers, his dad right?
Yep. :)
Big Jim P
14-02-2008, 05:02
Too bad I don't have a sister, so I don't know what you're sleeping with. I do have a brother....
*steps away slowly*
Meh, I come from a long line of rednecks. Your brother is safe. Your livestock is a different story however.:p
Boonytopia
14-02-2008, 05:03
I'm tired of the all White Southerns are inbred, bucktooth racist who talk like they have a speech impediment worst than mine.
WE DON'T ALL FUCK OUR SISTERS DAMMIT! >.<
No, I'm sure you don't restrict yourselves to just one family member. ;)
Exactamundo. Or hair length, or nose shape, or voice tone, etc, etc.
I always say, why judge people by race, when once you get to know them you'll find so many better and more personal reasons to dislike them?
Amor Pulchritudo
14-02-2008, 05:08
Youre awesome.;)
Why, thank you. :)
New Stalinberg
14-02-2008, 05:20
Well the other day I saw my friend Farhan (who is Pakistani) and I go,
"HEY! FARHAN! Well... I'm filming a Civil War movie and I'm going to need a lot of Indians to shoot. Could you uuuuuh, you know, help me out?"
Many laughs were had by all.
New Stalinberg
14-02-2008, 05:21
I'm tired of the all White Southerns are inbred, bucktooth racist who talk like they have a speech impediment worst than mine.
WE DON'T ALL FUCK OUR SISTERS DAMMIT! >.<
I'm sorry, but I have no respect for Mississippi or it's residents.
Seriously, the state just needs to go.
Turquoise Days
14-02-2008, 05:30
Scottish hit-men who eat babies? I thought the Scots were just a bunch of people who ran around with blue paint on their faces yelling "FREEDOM!!"
:D
Nope, the only people who do that are Australian assholes.
I totally ripped off that from somebody yesterday >.> .
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Hilarious. Because of racism, the black guy gets to work less and the non-racists get faster service.
Boonytopia
14-02-2008, 05:38
Nope, the only people who do that are Australian assholes.
I totally ripped off that from somebody yesterday >.> .
Yep, but you forgot the anti-semitic bit too.
The Three Legged Dudes
14-02-2008, 05:48
I was on the subway (underground train to non-Canadians) and these two young black women were making racist comments to a pair of Portuguese women and then started insulting an East Indian woman
When I say insulting I mean derogatory racial epithets
Yet who would be the first ones to claim racism?
Another time I watched a guy, who was North American Indian, pull a knife on an East Indian after saying that he was tired of 'you people taking all my land'
Yet another, a very angry seeming black man started making comments about how they (blacks) shoulod kill all the white people. He seemed shocked and was offended when they threw him off the train after numerous complaints. He said they were only doing it because he was black.
Muslims murdered a man in the Netherlands who said that violence perpetrated by Muslims was getting out of control (true, there are no go areas in many parts of Amsterdam now)
One case I read, a man was in line to buy subway passes for the London tube. As he moved forward a group of young Muslim men pushed him out of the way and said 'wait your turn, dhimmi slave'
You can laugh this off, but Western civilization is in grave danger. Multicultural tolerance must not be seen as a suicide pact.
They must not be allowed to take away our most fundamental aspects; rule of Law *, universal franchise, and freedom of speech.
* For those of a dim nature, this means that all are equal before the law. Not that all are equal. They are not.
A friend of mine is stronger than me, I am smarter than him. Hell, I am smarter than most. Many, many are better looking than me.
We are equal before the law. It applies to us the same measures.
The only alternative is to beg at the tables of the mighty, fighting for the grains that fall off their plates.
Yep, but you forgot the anti-semitic bit too.
I had a bet with an Australian of Scottish descent. I bet that he couldn't go 1 week without getting as drunk as an Irishman. He said I was racist, but then lost the bet anyway. Being a tightwad Aussie Scot, he tried to Welsh. Eventually he paid, but not after trying to Jew me down.
Boonytopia
14-02-2008, 05:54
I had a bet with an Australian of Scottish descent. I bet that he couldn't go 1 week without getting as drunk as an Irishman. He said I was racist, but then lost the bet anyway. Being a tightwad Aussie Scot, he tried to Welsh. Eventually he paid, but not after trying to Jew me down.
:D
I'm an accountant, I'm Polish, my first name is Aaron, and I am not Jewish. Let that one sink in.
New Stalinberg
14-02-2008, 06:39
I'm an accountant, I'm Polish, my first name is Aaron, and I am not Jewish. Let that one sink in.
That kind sir, is nothing more than a bold faced lie.
But why are you an accountant? I'm in an accounting class in high school right now and it is TERRIBLE.
I'm so totally going to be a writer. *Starts dancing*
IL Ruffino
14-02-2008, 07:00
Racism is never boring. :)
When white people go "What about the racism to me? Why don't I get protection laws"
Not technicaly racism, but on topic I think.
Yes, that's horrible.
On the other hand, there's one register that will always be open. Which demonstrates an important point: Do your best to teach tolerance. But, if it doesn't work, take advantage of the ignorant bigots.
That is an excellent strategy. I approve. (My approval won't get you a ride on the L unless you have two bucks in your pocket, but it's the thought that counts, right? Right?)
New Granada
14-02-2008, 08:49
Nothing is more insipid than the idiot banter about "la raza" and "gringos" that goes on in some circles.
Dryks Legacy
14-02-2008, 09:13
I agree with your point (underlined) but I also disagree with your definition (bold), I can notice someone's skin colour just as I notice their eye colour, hair colour, what size their feet are, how tall they are, without passing judgement on it, that's not racism, that's just acknowledgement of differences.
If you notice something you judge it, it's part of forming a first impression, it should (in the normal biological function sense) be happening whether you notice it or not.
Epic Fusion
14-02-2008, 09:35
If you notice something you judge it, it's part of forming a first impression, it should (in the normal biological function sense) be happening whether you notice it or not.
This is what I was gonna say. That's why if you don't notice someone has a different colour skin, you aren't racist. I sometimes reach that state, but don't hold it for long. If I noticed someone with bright pink skin, this induces thoughts on many different levels, which affect further thoughts and so on. Not harmful racism (necessarily), but racism nontheless. A judgement without any empirical data because of a certain immediate trait. It's an evolved trait that, like fear, is very handy in many situations and, much like fear, can also be very harmful.
Drakkonnius
14-02-2008, 09:40
I'm not sure if thats on topic but I had people in China linking me to whatever the Japanese did in WW2.
And I'm not Japanese....
Muslims murdered a man in the Netherlands who said that violence perpetrated by Muslims was getting out of control (true, there are no go areas in many parts of Amsterdam now)Yeah, but only if you're German and if there's a Cup going on...
Agolthia
14-02-2008, 11:43
This is what I was gonna say. That's why if you don't notice someone has a different colour skin, you aren't racist. I sometimes reach that state, but don't hold it for long. If I noticed someone with bright pink skin, this induces thoughts on many different levels, which affect further thoughts and so on. Not harmful racism (necessarily), but racism nontheless. A judgement without any empirical data because of a certain immediate trait. It's an evolved trait that, like fear, is very handy in many situations and, much like fear, can also be very harmful.
Wait, I live in Northern Ireland. N.I is like predominantly white. I'm not sure what the actual statistics are, but is around the region of 90% white. That means if a black person walks by me in town, its kind of easy to notice because its fairly unusal, much in the same way if someone walks by with a massive punk mohican, people tend to notice because its pretty unusal. How is that in anyway related to racism?
I always say, why judge people by race, when once you get to know them you'll find so many better and more personal reasons to dislike them?
So true.
When white people go "What about the racism to me? Why don't I get protection laws"
Not technicaly racism, but on topic I think.
I have mixed reactions towards this, one is that I dunt believe in whining about stupid shit when you can actually do something productive, and the other is that I despise the idea that racism is only perpetrated by "white people" and therefore all white people are racist and can't possibly be victims.
It's like saying "I got bit by an Alsation, therefore all Alsations are vicious." it's a complete generalisation and spreads fear and ignorance.
If you notice something you judge it, it's part of forming a first impression, it should (in the normal biological function sense) be happening whether you notice it or not.
So you notice this guy you've just met has small ears, I mean, really small ears... what are your judgements about him based only on him having really small ears?
This is what I was gonna say. That's why if you don't notice someone has a different colour skin, you aren't racist. I sometimes reach that state, but don't hold it for long. If I noticed someone with bright pink skin, this induces thoughts on many different levels, which affect further thoughts and so on. Not harmful racism (necessarily), but racism nontheless. A judgement without any empirical data because of a certain immediate trait. It's an evolved trait that, like fear, is very handy in many situations and, much like fear, can also be very harmful.
If I see someone with really pink skin it's usually because they have recently been educated in the ways of African sun.
If you notice someone is female does that make you sexist?
Wait, I live in Northern Ireland. N.I is like predominantly white. I'm not sure what the actual statistics are, but is around the region of 90% white. That means if a black person walks by me in town, its kind of easy to notice because its fairly unusal, much in the same way if someone walks by with a massive punk mohican, people tend to notice because its pretty unusal. How is that in anyway related to racism?
I agree with this. Just because you can recognise that someone is different to you, or even has a feature that differs significantly from the majority of the people you know doesn't mean you judge them on it.
Andaluciae
14-02-2008, 13:13
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
I've never seen anything like that before...admittedly, I don't come from rural Montana, but my hometown was decidedly a key example of de facto segregation (one of the earliest examples of white flight, pre-war, the white people of Canton buy all the houses, and the black people of Canton can't find houses to move into inside the school system). So minority groups (except for Asians, both east and south) are not a common sight.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
I saw that once. Didn't bother me, I just got in the black person's line, and was out the door while the slow white person was still waiting on their first person. :)
Have you ever heard a comment so racist, so vile, so...so...boring that you wanted to shove a drown a sack of puppies? "We get it, asshole. Blacks like chicken. Be creative!" or "No, no more! No more pp in my coke, goddamn it!"
Yeah?
Most racist "humor" bores me. People who can't actually come up with something funny will resort to shock-comments in order to get a reaction. "Some people talk different than we talk! Isn't that weird?! Black people steal things and Asians can't drive! HA HA HA HA!"
The only thing more pathetic is the comics whose entire routines are, "Women are, like, CRAAAAAAAZY and stuff! And men are, like STOOOOOPID! Isn't that hilarious?!"
Dryks Legacy
14-02-2008, 13:52
So you notice this guy you've just met has small ears, I mean, really small ears... what are your judgements about him based only on him having really small ears?
I'm coming up with a blank, no memorable experience with small-eared people to draw from.
11:15, and I think I just found the question that's going to keep me awake tonight :(
CthulhuFhtagn
14-02-2008, 13:57
Most racist "humor" bores me. People who can't actually come up with something funny will resort to shock-comments in order to get a reaction. "Some people talk different than we talk! Isn't that weird?! Black people steal things and Asians can't drive! HA HA HA HA!"
The only thing more pathetic is the comics whose entire routines are, "Women are, like, CRAAAAAAAZY and stuff! And men are, like STOOOOOPID! Isn't that hilarious?!"
People need to come up with more interesting ethnic/national/sexual stereotypes. Like maybe the Swedes have laser vision.
Dryks Legacy
14-02-2008, 14:14
People need to come up with more interesting ethnic/national/sexual stereotypes. Like maybe the Swedes have laser vision.
All Russians are big guys with no sanity that hang around with crazy German doctors, Texans are great at building things, Scots love to blow shit up, Aussies are crack-shots with huge knives and New Yorkers can double-jump ;)
Scanordia
14-02-2008, 14:23
We Swedes have hot women :) and talk with a sexy accent apparently...
Hmm, Canadians are also very very hot... Mostly...
Clogs for the win!
Mad hatters in jeans
14-02-2008, 14:26
A lot of the anti-English sentiment you get in Scotland wears after a while, and the nonsensical anti-French sentiment that runs around Britain in general is just stupid.
That's true, i get tired of the "bloody English ".
Probably just to make their boring lives slightly more interesting by slagging off other people's.
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. [I]No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
That is weird and irritating.
There is another stereotype other than racism that is almost as bad. Ageism, i'm not kidding there's loads of stereotypes about old folks and young teenagers etc..
All Russians are big guys with no sanity that hang around with crazy German doctors, Texans are great at building things, Scots love to blow shit up, Aussies are crack-shots with huge knives and New Yorkers can double-jump ;)No such thing as a "Russian" anymore. Citizens of Gazpromland is the correct term.
I'm coming up with a blank, no memorable experience with small-eared people to draw from.
11:15, and I think I just found the question that's going to keep me awake tonight :(
Glad to be of service.
If it helps, I have small ears. :p
This is what I was gonna say. That's why if you don't notice someone has a different colour skin, you aren't racist. I sometimes reach that state, but don't hold it for long. If I noticed someone with bright pink skin, this induces thoughts on many different levels, which affect further thoughts and so on. Not harmful racism (necessarily), but racism nontheless. A judgement without any empirical data because of a certain immediate trait. It's an evolved trait that, like fear, is very handy in many situations and, much like fear, can also be very harmful.
That's just dumb. By that statement, then I'm an eye-ist and a hair-ist and a height-ist. You notice physical traits of everything, not just people, and that skin color is one of them does not make you racist.
Rambhutan
14-02-2008, 14:38
Not that I find the ignorance and stupidity of racists surprising, but it is so tedious that so many morons in Britain can't even tell the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh.
SeathorniaII
14-02-2008, 14:49
Not that I find the ignorance and stupidity of racists surprising, but it is so tedious that so many morons in Britain can't even tell the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh.
Well, in all fairness, I doubt most of them could tell the difference between a catholic and a protestant at a glance.
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
Really? I'd be pretty happy about it. No more waiting on lines for me. :)
Really? I'd be pretty happy about it. No more waiting on lines for me. :)
It also bodes well for me. Because after all that racism, my regularly annoying behavior is MUCH more tolerable.
Sirmomo1
14-02-2008, 20:19
This is what I was gonna say. That's why if you don't notice someone has a different colour skin, you aren't racist. I sometimes reach that state, but don't hold it for long. If I noticed someone with bright pink skin, this induces thoughts on many different levels, which affect further thoughts and so on. Not harmful racism (necessarily), but racism nontheless. A judgement without any empirical data because of a certain immediate trait. It's an evolved trait that, like fear, is very handy in many situations and, much like fear, can also be very harmful.
"Racism: Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race; can be expressed individually or through institutional policies or practices. ..."
It's impossible not to notice skin colour. You would notice the colour of a television or a chair and you notice the colour of a person too.
I don't see how you equate noticing a person's skin colour with being prejudiced or discriminatory.
The blessed Chris
14-02-2008, 20:22
Oh, I'll name names.
The_Blessed_Chris.
The Atlantian Islands.
How come I get underscores and TAI doesn't? neither of our names has them, so why put them in mine? Honestly....
Epic Fusion
14-02-2008, 23:08
If you notice someone is female does that make you sexist?
Yep. It's a simple point, if you notice someone is female, you've made judgements, some if not all will be false, therefore you are sexist. You may only be a tiny bit sexist, say your sexism is one, whereas the average sexist will be a million times more sexist, it doesn't matter. The point is, the difference between your usual person and a neo-nazi is one of degree, not some profound personality difference that alot of people like to think it is.
Yep. It's a simple point, if you notice someone is female, you've made judgements, some if not all will be false, therefore you are sexist. You may only be a tiny bit sexist, say your sexism is one, whereas the average sexist will be a million times more sexist, it doesn't matter. The point is, the difference between your usual person and a neo-nazi is one of degree, not some profound personality difference that alot of people like to think it is.
Dude, that has nothing to do with a judgement. If you notice someone is female, it's because they're female. I also don't judge a banana when I notice it's yellow. You don't just get to make up the meaning of words or devalue them till they're nonsensical.
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
*Note to self: Never go to Montana
Anyway, I've been called a "half-breed" by some British snot. I swiftly delt with him, though (verbally, unfortunately).
Tmutarakhan
15-02-2008, 02:25
I also don't judge a banana when I notice it's yellow.
How about when it's mostly black with just a few off-yellow spots left?
Sirmomo1
15-02-2008, 03:33
How about when it's mostly black with just a few off-yellow spots left?
You're saying black people have gone off?
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Blestinimest
15-02-2008, 04:42
The kind of racist that really annoys me are the ones who go "I'm not racist but..." as soon as someone says that you know you're about to hear the most racist thing you have heard all week. It generally extends to most discrimination: "I'm not sexist but...", "I'm not homophobic but...". In college the other day somebody actually said "I'm not homophobic, I just hate lesbians" I was like "no way did somebody actually just said that".
New Limacon
15-02-2008, 04:45
Most racist "humor" bores me. People who can't actually come up with something funny will resort to shock-comments in order to get a reaction. "Some people talk different than we talk! Isn't that weird?! Black people steal things and Asians can't drive! HA HA HA HA!"
I heard a fairly good response to racist jokes the other day.
"What do you call a black guy who flies a plane?"
*Wait for racist possible answer or "I don't know, what?"*
"A pilot, you [insert insult here]."
Sirmomo1
15-02-2008, 04:50
I heard a fairly good response to racist jokes the other day.
"What do you call a black guy who flies a plane?"
*Wait for racist possible answer or "I don't know, what?"*
"A pilot, you [insert insult here]."
New Limacon trying to show off a GSOH to a potential partner:
NL: "Hey, you'll like this: what do you call a black guy who flies a plane?"
"Oh fuck off, you're not one of those assholes? God, why can't I ever meet anyone normal? Taxi!"
NL: "Back home to NSG - Ron Paul arguments are kind of like sex, right? .... right?"
New Limacon
15-02-2008, 05:00
New Limacon trying to show off a GSOH to a potential partner:
NL: "Hey, you'll like this: what do you call a black guy who flies a plane?"
"Oh fuck off, you're not one of those assholes? God, why can't I ever meet anyone normal? Taxi!"
NL: "Back home to NSG - Ron Paul arguments are kind of like sex, right? .... right?"
Yep. And that's why I haven't left my house in six years. :)
Well, one of my brother's coworkers out here in rural Montana warned me that, "There's a ****** family moving in on your street. Best keep the women inside."
I am not making this up.
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.Shit son, if I saw that I'd be writing down his schedule so fast. If he is pretty much guaranteed no line, I am only going the days he works.
Not that I find the ignorance and stupidity of racists surprising, but it is so tedious that so many morons in Britain can't even tell the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh.
Thaaaank you! It is the same way here (California) where we have large Muslim and Sikh populations. People will make comments about someone wearing a turban (or, as one particularly entertaining dimwit said it, "turbine"--christ that would be hard to wear on one's head!) and mutter things about terrorists, and it's like, for fuck's sake, Muslims don't wear turbans! Sikhs wear turbans! They're from completely different places you git!
Well, in all fairness, I doubt most of them could tell the difference between a catholic and a protestant at a glance.
Most Sikh men and women are easy to distinguish because they don't cut their hair; Sikh men usually wear their hair up, wrapped in a turban. Long hair for them is meant to be a sign of their faith. Muslim women may wear head scarves to cover their hair (Sikh women do not usually cover theirs) and Muslim men may wear a kufi, or nothing at all.
Dryks Legacy
15-02-2008, 09:21
DI also don't judge a banana when I notice it's yellow.
Sure you do, if you see a yellow banana you jump to the conclusion that it's probably more edible than bananas of other colours due to your past experiences with eating yellow bananas, or if you've never eaten a yellow banana before yellow banana edibility propaganda from your peers or the media.
Amor Pulchritudo
15-02-2008, 10:15
How come I get underscores and TAI doesn't? neither of our names has them, so why put them in mine? Honestly....
I thought you had underscores in your name.
Does it really matter?
You're racist.
The_underscores_don't_change_that_fact.
Yep. It's a simple point, if you notice someone is female, you've made judgements, some if not all will be false, therefore you are sexist. You may only be a tiny bit sexist, say your sexism is one, whereas the average sexist will be a million times more sexist, it doesn't matter. The point is, the difference between your usual person and a neo-nazi is one of degree, not some profound personality difference that alot of people like to think it is.
The only judgements I've made is that she has a uterus.
If I notice someone is a guy my judgement would be that he has a penis.
Besides that the rest of my opinions of that person will be drawn from their actions, eg: person of female gender complains about something of minor importance a great deal = whiny bitch, person of male gender complains about something of minor importance a great deal = whiny bitch.
Person of male gender jokes around and laughs a lot = light-hearted, fun guy. Person of female gender jokes around and laughs a lot = light-hearted, fun chick. Where have I made assumptions about them based on their gender?
Maybe it's because I come from a country where "black" and "white" don't neatly divide people into different cultures or groups. If someone's "black" here they could be xhosa, zulu, ndebele, congolese, nigerian, ethiopian, sotho, from overseas, the list goes on.
If someone's "white" they could be afrikaans, english, british, german, dutch, polish, rhodesian/zimbabwean, american, irish, russian...
If they're somewhere in between they could be coloured, mixed race, chinese, japanese, korean, thai, malay, hindi, tamil, gujurati, khoi-san...
I'd say the difference between an average person and a neo-nazi is one of perception, the difference of degree is between the neo-nazi and your average racist.
The kind of racist that really annoys me are the ones who go "I'm not racist but..." as soon as someone says that you know you're about to hear the most racist thing you have heard all week. It generally extends to most discrimination: "I'm not sexist but...", "I'm not homophobic but...". In college the other day somebody actually said "I'm not homophobic, I just hate lesbians" I was like "no way did somebody actually just said that".
True. The whole "I'm not racist but..." thing is stupid, if you weren't a racist you wouldn't be saying or thinking that.
I do however see a difference between the whole "I'm not a racist" thing and, "Ok, that guy's a frigging kaffer." the former being a judgement on an entire group of people, the later stating one person in particular is exhibiting typical traits a racist would assign him and is basically reinforcing negative stigma.
The blessed Chris
15-02-2008, 12:31
I thought you had underscores in your name.
Does it really matter?
You're racist.
The_underscores_don't_change_that_fact.
Firstly, I'm not. However, I've got better things to do than convince another bland member of the happy-clappy NSG emotionally retarded liberal club as much.
Secondly, at least I can read a bloody name, and have a sense of humour that's actually....amusing.:)
Amor Pulchritudo
15-02-2008, 12:44
Firstly, I'm not. However, I've got better things to do than convince another bland member of the happy-clappy NSG emotionally retarded liberal club as much.
Secondly, at least I can read a bloody name, and have a sense of humour that's actually....amusing.:)
Wow, funny and humble.:rolleyes:
Amor Pulchritudo
15-02-2008, 12:54
Actually, I heard a new one the other night whilst outside a club with my fiance. "Hey it's Guy Sebastian!"
I was intoxicated and yelled at the ignorant prick for a good five minutes.
The blessed Chris
15-02-2008, 12:54
Wow, funny and humble.:rolleyes:
Why on earth would I want to be humble? That's the sort of quality people like you go in for.
New Granada
15-02-2008, 13:02
Firstly, I'm not. However, I've got better things to do than convince another bland member of the happy-clappy NSG emotionally retarded liberal club as much.
That's an excellent, excellent truly spot-on description of most of the posters on here.
Hats off to you!
At any rate, there is nothing more insipid, uninspired, boring, cop-outish, tepid and low than calling someone a racist.
It is the very heart and soul and basic core the ad hominem fallacy.
The noise that a pig makes when it squeals is
"that's wrrrraAAAAAAIIIIEHHHHHHHHHsssiiiissssssst!"
The noise that a pig makes when it squeals is
"that's wrrrraAAAAAAIIIIEHHHHHHHHHsssiiiissssssst!"
Very insightful.
When is everyone going to just chill the fuck out?
What's wrong with debating like pompous psuedo-intellectuals as opposed to ripping each other to shreds like overzealous idiots?
New Granada
15-02-2008, 13:30
Very insightful.
When is everyone going to just chill the fuck out?
What's wrong with debating like pompous psuedo-intellectuals as opposed to ripping each other to shreds like overzealous idiots?
...then would be some stooping, and I chose never to stoop.
Participating in the 'debates' held on this site is twice dirty, it dirties the world and it also dirties the participant.
Costello Music
15-02-2008, 14:00
Living in a very white conservative part of Australia, you do get the casual racism. But some of the basic, blunt prejudice can be funny, especially to an immunised individual such as myself.
Probably the most humourous cases in which the bigotry is so deeply rooted inside someone that they deny it profusely. My most recent experience with this went as follows.
"I don't mean to be racist, but at my old school, we used to throw eggs at lebs."
Why on earth would I want to be humble? That's the sort of quality people like you go in for.Makes people less inclined to bash your teeth in. Or give you a full search at an airport. :)
Female Owners
15-02-2008, 14:41
The black guy who had just moved in worked at Town Pump. Was probably the nicest chap anyone could ever hope to meet. Later that day, as I was going to Town Pump, I noticed something peculiar. No one is lining up at his cash register. Six people are lining up at the cash register run by a white middle aged woman. Made me fucking mad as hell.
So what? If they are stupid at least you can get to the cashier quicker.
Make fun, not fuss.
Sirmomo1
15-02-2008, 14:41
Firstly, I'm not.
"I'd emmigrate if there was ever a black primeminister"
Sirmomo1
15-02-2008, 14:44
At any rate, there is nothing more insipid, uninspired, boring, cop-outish, tepid and low than calling someone a racist.
What would you suggest calling a racist other than a racist?
Female Owners
15-02-2008, 14:48
How is noticing a skin color racist? That's like saying noticing the difference between women and men is sexist.
Ask a feminist.
And prepare to run! (for your defence counsel)
Female Owners
15-02-2008, 14:53
Well the other day I saw my friend Farhan (who is Pakistani) and I go,
"HEY! FARHAN! Well... I'm filming a Civil War movie and I'm going to need a lot of Indians to shoot. Could you uuuuuh, you know, help me out?"
Many laughs were had by all.
Now, that's racist! You should ask your blond, blue-eyed friend to act as an indian in the movie. :-P
I actually work with a racist lady. It's funny, because she had no idea I was Black. The conversation goes something like this:
Her: "Ugh..."
"Excuse me?"
"Oh nothing, I was just thinking about how those Blacks are..."
"Care to elaborate on that? I don't know how they are..."
"You know, they're loud, rude, obnoxious, etc..."
"Ah, that's funny. I had no clue, and I'm Black."
Her reaction was priceless. :D
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 00:25
It's funny, because she had no idea I was Black.
Um... how?
Amor Pulchritudo
16-02-2008, 00:30
I actually work with a racist lady. It's funny, because she had no idea I was Black. The conversation goes something like this:
Her: "Ugh..."
"Excuse me?"
"Oh nothing, I was just thinking about how those Blacks are..."
"Care to elaborate on that? I don't know how they are..."
"You know, they're loud, rude, obnoxious, etc..."
"Ah, that's funny. I had no clue, and I'm Black."
Her reaction was priceless. :D
What a bitch.
Amor Pulchritudo
16-02-2008, 00:32
Now, that's racist! You should ask your blond, blue-eyed friend to act as an indian in the movie. :-P
I'm pretty sure that the "indians" in a civil war movie aren't from India, there's really no difference in putting in a blue-eyed-blonde or a pakistani guy, because neither of them are native American.
Um... how?Because not all Black people are dark skinned.
What a bitch.Yep, but it makes work that much more interesting because I make it my duty to talk to her as much as I can and watch her cringe. Very amusing, especially when I come in every morning and go "Hey! How's my favorite person doing today?" :D
CthulhuFhtagn
16-02-2008, 00:50
I'm pretty sure that the "indians" in a civil war movie aren't from India, there's really no difference in putting in a blue-eyed-blonde or a pakistani guy, because neither of them are native American.
The joke isn't that the Pakistani guy was playing an Indian.
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 00:55
Because not all Black people are dark skinned.
Sure; my flatmate's got incredibly light skin.
But you'd hardly mistake him for a white dude. Not that it matters in any way.
CthulhuFhtagn
16-02-2008, 00:55
Ask a feminist.
And prepare to run! (for your defence counsel)
*asks self*
Nope, not sexist.
Johnny B Goode
16-02-2008, 00:56
The only thing more pathetic is the comics whose entire routines are, "Women are, like, CRAAAAAAAZY and stuff! And men are, like STOOOOOPID! Isn't that hilarious?!"
Too many of those to count.
Talopoli
16-02-2008, 00:58
Hey, I'm not racist but I find I find Black History Month to be degrading to both white and black people as well as horrible as far as ending racism goes:
To whites: Look at what your ancestors did. You people are horrible! You should feel guilty for the rest of your life for actions that your grandfathers might/did have done!
To Blacks: White people ruined your life and the lives of everyone before you but don't feel too bad cause someone who had dark skin invented the water gun and peanut butter!
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Now do you find that the most horribly racist comment you've ever heard? Just a question. I personally find it a valid argument and find that the original idea for a 'Multicultural Month' would have been exceedingly better for everyone involved. On a similar note Affirmative action, 'Black national anthem' (it's a real song) singings, and race-based schools are just as bad. It doesn't matter who does it, weather its white or black or purple, racism for one is racism for all.
Now... *braces for mindless PC*
Sure; my flatmate's got incredibly light skin.
But you'd hardly mistake him for a white dude. Not that it matters in any way.She didn't think I was White, either. She thought I was Hispanic or Iranian. o.O ... yeah, odd.
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 01:06
Hey, I'm not racist but...
Never, I feel, a good way to begin a statement.
That being said, shouldn't we recognise the history of Black Americans the other 11 months of the year?
She didn't think I was White, either. She thought I was Hispanic or Iranian. o.O ... yeah, odd.
Indeed.
She was probably complaining to some other dude at your work (named Javier) about you being a lazy Mexican. :p
Female Owners
16-02-2008, 01:22
I'm pretty sure that the "indians" in a civil war movie aren't from India, there's really no difference in putting in a blue-eyed-blonde or a pakistani guy, because neither of them are native American.
I know as much as well of course, the point is that with a little work the pakistani could pass for a native american easier than the blond blue-eyed guy. So there is a difference. Whether that friend was a native american or not is not important.
Amor Pulchritudo
16-02-2008, 01:42
I know as much as well of course, the point is that with a little work the pakistani could pass for a native american easier than the blond blue-eyed guy. So there is a difference. Whether that friend was a native american or not is not important.
None of my Indian friends look Native American.
Talopoli
16-02-2008, 02:15
That being said, shouldn't we recognise the history of Black Americans the other 11 months of the year?
In my opinion, although much of our school stuff is euro-centric until gr.12, we already do. Name me a English class in which you weren't made to listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech, or a ancient history course in which you didn't learn all about Egypt. We cover it where it's relevant and its nice to see it there, but in the end human history is human history.
Anyways I didn't mean to sidetrack the discussion into a debate on the merits of Black History month, tho I can clearly see that its heading that way. I just wanted to show that you CAN use "I'm not racist but" in a reasonable way and it CAN in fact save you from those few people who like to shout racist the moment someone, for example, shows a shampoo commercial that doesn't feature a black person in it: see all the stupid things in the news for more on this, or type into google 'oops we're racist'.
CthulhuFhtagn
16-02-2008, 02:36
I know as much as well of course, the point is that with a little work the pakistani could pass for a native american easier than the blond blue-eyed guy. So there is a difference. Whether that friend was a native american or not is not important.
Once again, the Pakistani wasn't playing an Indian.
Amor Pulchritudo
16-02-2008, 02:38
Once again, the Pakistani wasn't playing an Indian.
Who was he playing? An African? Again... little to no resemblence.
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 02:53
Name me a English class in which you weren't made to listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech...
Why would a historical speech be taught in a class on literature?
And anyhoo, I live and was educated in the UK, so the US Civil Rights movement was more discussed in relation to UK race relations and civil rights, along with history. So in answer to your question, I say: "every single one I attended".
I just wanted to show that you CAN use "I'm not racist but" in a reasonable way...
Well go on then.
Johnny B Goode
16-02-2008, 02:57
Have you ever heard a comment so racist, so vile, so...so...boring that you wanted to shove a drown a sack of puppies? "We get it, asshole. Blacks like chicken. Be creative!" or "No, no more! No more pp in my coke, goddamn it!"
Yeah?
Yes, I get it. All Indians are tech support people. Now leave me alone.
Antebellum South
16-02-2008, 03:21
Why on earth would I want to be humble?
Because you're a nobody.
The Plutonian Empire
16-02-2008, 03:22
Myself getting mad when I see a black man with a white woman is getting pretty tiring, but I just can't help it. :(
Antebellum South
16-02-2008, 03:23
Have you ever heard a comment so racist, so vile, so...so...boring that you wanted to shove a drown a sack of puppies? "We get it, asshole. Blacks like chicken. Be creative!" or "No, no more! No more pp in my coke, goddamn it!"
Yeah?
Creativity is overrated. A simple comment like "blacks are strong and dumb" is much more effective at causing a sudden stunned silence where there used to be plenty of aw-shucks banter.
CthulhuFhtagn
16-02-2008, 03:24
Who was he playing? An African? Again... little to no resemblence.
Well, guessing from the little context given, the joke was that he was going to be shooting the Indians, a play on the tension between Pakistan and India. I'd also guess that the Civil War referred to was the one in India.
Amor Pulchritudo
16-02-2008, 03:27
Well, guessing from the little context given, the joke was that he was going to be shooting the Indians, a play on the tension between Pakistan and India. I'd also guess that the Civil War referred to was the one in India.
Oh.
Sure; my flatmate's got incredibly light skin.
But you'd hardly mistake him for a white dude.
I get mistaken for a white person all the time.
I'm multiracial, though, so my case is a little different... but I'm told that some relatives of mine on the "Black" side of my family managed to pass for white, so it's not just that. It does happen, for a lot of reasons... among other things, because most Blacks in the United States, at least the descendants of slaves, aren't "pure." It's not a genetic category--it's a social one.
Have you ever seen the movie Imitation of Life?
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 03:38
I get mistaken for a white person all the time.
In a place chock-full of whities as Scotland, I suppose I get a squewed view on the world of racial... stuff.
Living with my multiracial flatemate has been a real eye-opener. I was never fully aware of the sort of ignorant yet well-meaning (if you see what I mean) racism that goes on; 'passive racism' if you will. Just the little comments and actions here and there that, although not intended to offend, are completely unnaceptable.
Have you ever seen the movie Imitation of Life?
Nope. Neither of them; nor read the book.
Why?
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:38
Because you're a nobody.
And you are?:rolleyes:
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:40
Very insightful.
When is everyone going to just chill the fuck out?
What's wrong with debating like pompous psuedo-intellectuals as opposed to ripping each other to shreds like overzealous idiots?
Because the average poster on here deems "racist/Nazi/facist" to be some form of academic nucleur weapon.
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:42
"I'd emmigrate if there was ever a black primeminister"
emmigration?
primeminister?
You seem to be speaking silly English good sir...
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:44
What would you suggest calling a racist other than a racist?
Why am I not surprised you fail to actually appreciate what NG's actually getting at?:p
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 03:44
You seem to be speaking silly English good sir...
Still, even if you were more correct with your spelling, you made the statement.
Yootopia
16-02-2008, 03:45
emmigration?
primeminister?
You seem to be speaking silly English good sir...
Come on, Chris, that's weak, even for you.
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:47
Still, even if you were more correct with your spelling, you made the statement.
Style is crucial.
Antebellum South
16-02-2008, 03:47
Because the average poster on here deems "racist/Nazi/facist" to be some form of academic nucleur weapon.
facist? nucleur?
The blessed Chris
16-02-2008, 03:48
Come on, Chris, that's weak, even for you.
Not at all. I'm not going to go into the numerous depressions and immaturities of me several months ago, it's unseemly, and frankly, if I were to do so, I wouldn't to a nobody poster. Hence, I'm simply going to attack his style, or lack thereof.
In a place chock-full of whities as Scotland, I suppose I get a squewed view on the world of racial... stuff.
Hey, you seem willing to listen... that puts you far ahead of lots of people I could name. :)
Nope. Neither of them; nor read the book.
Why?
Just because it's what first came to mind as a cultural representation of that phenomenon.
Chumblywumbly
16-02-2008, 03:49
Style is crucial.
As is taking responsibility for one's words and actions.
It was a wee while back so hopefully you've changed your attitude.
Just because it's what first came to mind as a cultural representation of that phenomenon.
I shall investigate...
Antebellum South
16-02-2008, 03:50
I get mistaken for a white person all the time.
I'm multiracial, though, so my case is a little different... but I'm told that some relatives of mine on the "Black" side of my family managed to pass for white, so it's not just that. It does happen, for a lot of reasons... among other things, because most Blacks in the United States, at least the descendants of slaves, aren't "pure." It's not a genetic category--it's a social one.
Any credible scientist would say that it's a valid genetic category.
Any credible scientist would say that it's a valid genetic category.
Blackness? In this society? Bullshit.
(It may be scientifically useful. There may be certain genetic traits that are more common among the group. But it is not defined by genes.)
CthulhuFhtagn
16-02-2008, 06:13
Any credible scientist would say that it's a valid genetic category.
Considering that race doesn't even exist in a genetic context, no, no they wouldn't.
emmigration?
primeminister?
You seem to be speaking silly English good sir...
facist? nucleur?
Oh, the irony.
Sparkelle
16-02-2008, 08:47
None of my Indian friends look Native American.
Tell that to Christopher Columbus
New Granada
16-02-2008, 09:11
Indians look like Indians, and American Indians look like American Indians.
It is wwwwwRRRRRRAAAAAIIIIEEEEHHHHHHHHSIIISSSSSSSSSS to call them anything except "American Indians" because that's what they call themselves at their museum.
to wit:
http://www.nmai.si.edu/
ETA:
Page 12 claimed in condemnation and censure of the banal whiners about racism, and for justice, the US constitution, truth and human dignity.
Sirmomo1
16-02-2008, 13:04
Blackness? In this society? Bullshit.
(It may be scientifically useful. There may be certain genetic traits that are more common among the group. But it is not defined by genes.)
My wife is mixed race, she has a parent from the Seyschelles and a parent from Italy. Society views her as black but her in terms of her make up she's not even 50% of African origin. Race is both a genetic construct and a social construct but it's the social one that is of far more relevence in our society.
Sirmomo1
16-02-2008, 13:06
It was a wee while back so hopefully you've changed your attitude.
He doesn't seem to have posted anything that would support that.
M-mmYumyumyumYesindeed
18-02-2008, 00:06
emmigration?
primeminister?
You seem to be speaking silly English good sir...
Still, even if you were more correct with your spelling, you made the statement.
Come on, Chris, that's weak, even for you.
haww! OWNED!