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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc&feature=bz301

Personally, I would support the cop being suspended and given compulsery anger management training.

That’s a complete disgrace.

The man should be kicked off the force. Instantly.

The one funny things is when the eejit cop says "Your friends have brains in their heads". They sure did, videotaping the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc&feature=bz301

Personally, I would support the cop being suspended and given compulsery anger management training.

See this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588

Even more disturbing is his uniform.

Well, the cop was suspended (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/15278243/detail.html), following the Baltimore Sun sending the video to the Police Dept.

Baltimore cop threatens to kill teenager]Baltimore teenager? Understandable.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/75447539.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19309EBFDFE8F65174D8CDFD11399C504D6284831B75F48EF45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc&feature=bz301

Personally, I would support the cop being suspended and given compulsery anger management training.

he should be sacked. also isn't threatening someone's life a criminal offence? if so he should be jailed. and he should be given a longer sentence than an ordinary citizen seeing as how he is an official entrusted with the protection of citizens.

fucking pigs. again.

The last line is brilliant:

Cop: "Is that camera on? If I find myself on...."


*I wonder is he thinking..... oh shit.*

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4282823&page=1

He was suspended, but with pay.

He certainly shouldn't talk about disrespecting the badge. That behavior does it far more than any kid could.

also isn't threatening someone's life a criminal offence?

I don't know if it's a criminal offense in Baltimore, but here surprisingly it isn't. It's only a criminal offense if you say for instance "if you do ... again I'm going to kill you", just saying "I'm going to kill you" isn't a criminal offense.

]Baltimore teenager? Understandable.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/75447539.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19309EBFDFE8F65174D8CDFD11399C504D6284831B75F48EF45

is that TBC on the right there??

What a jerk. He should be sacked and jailed.

fucking pigs. again.

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?

i didn't watch either, i'm just doing knee-jerk reactions today to see what it feels like. frankly i'm starting to feel a little stupid :D. i can only imagine how conervatives feel all the time.

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?
Not unless there is another video in the other thread I didn't see.

is that TBC on the right there??

No, but I found the TBG - token black guy.

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?Not everyone can watch videos on a computer.

I don't know if it's a criminal offense in Baltimore, but here surprisingly it isn't. It's only a criminal offense if you say for instance "if you do ... again I'm going to kill you", just saying "I'm going to kill you" isn't a criminal offense.

It's worth noting that the cop in question didn't say "I'm going to kill you." He said that "Someone" would kill the kid if he kept being disrespectful to people. However the kid didn't seem to do anything terribly disrespectful and certainly didn't deserve to be physically assaulted. Does anyone know if the family is pressing assault charges?

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?

See, the link in THAT thread won't load on my computer.

He did continue to call the police officer ‘dude’ after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful.
How is the word ‘dude’ inherently disrespectful?

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful. I do agree that he didn't deserve to be physically assaulted.

Dude isn't a put down.

OK, well take my word for it, they're the same video.

... No they aren't. The link in this thread is to a cop threatening skaters, the video in the other link is of a man pushing a quadriplegic out of a wheelchair.

However the kid didn't seem to do anything terribly disrespectful and certainly didn't deserve to be physically assaulted. Does anyone know if the family is pressing assault charges?

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful. I do agree that he didn't deserve to be physically assaulted.

See, the link in THAT thread won't load on my computer.

OK, well take my word for it, they're the same video.


Edit: NVM see post #33 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13447737&postcount=33)

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful.

Note the qualifier, he didn't do anything TERRIBLY disrespectful. He didn't for example call him a pig, an asshole, a motherfucker, or a son of a bitch. He called him dude and occasionally man, which I would be willing to bet are somewhat ingrained into his speech patterns. Something like the way I occasionally find myself referring to random strangers as M'Lord or M'Lady after a three day SCA event. Such speech habits can be difficult to shut off consciously when you AREN'T terrified that you're going to be beaten, shot and/or arrested.

OK, well take my word for it, they're the same video.

What about the word of the two people who say it's a different video?

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful.
He clearly was not being disrespectful. Kids these days can't utter half a sentence without throwing "dude" in it three times. It's a speech pattern, just like some teenage girls can't seem to talk without saying "like" and "totally" every two words.

Bullying teenagers one-third your weight is disrespectful. The officer clearly has anger management issues, and a bad case of power abuse. Maybe he's used to dealing with thugs and street gangs, but that still doesn't excuse his behaviour towards a kid who was obviously very intimidated and contrite. The kid could barely place a word without the cop raising his big booming voice and verbally assaulting him.

I know if I ever was witness to a scene like this, first thing I'd do is jot down the name of the officer and send a nice complaint to his office.

How is the word ‘dude’ inherently disrespectful?

Dude isn't a put down.

I think she's referring to the fact that the officer in question asked him to stop calling him dude. Of course he didn't even bother trying to be polite about it . . .

I know if I ever was witness to a scene like this, first thing I'd do is jot down the name of the officer and send a nice complaint to his office.

Oh, that's not the first thing I would have done. Of course what I would have done would probably have lead to the second thing I did being "get shot".

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful. I do agree that he didn't deserve to be physically assaulted.What? Dude is not disrespectful even the slightest bit. That kid didn't backtalk that stupid cop, he just said he couldn't hear him. It's not the job of the police to tell us what words to use. You can't knock somebody to the ground for saying the word dude. This isn't supposed to be some sort of police state. Even if the kid had said something disrespectful, he shouldn't be attacked for it. It's not very smart to insult the cops, but as far as I know it isn't against the law either unless it's verbal abuse or something.

Anyway, yes, I posted this same video in the other thread.

I'm glad this guy got suspended, that gives me more faith in the system than I had. I guess they can't have youtube videos making them look bad.

If the cops take your skateboard or anything else you own without reason, ask for a receipt. Most likely they will just give you your stuff back because they know they will be held accountable if you get a receipt.

He did continue to call the police officer 'dude' after being told not to, so yes he was disrespectful. I do agree that he didn't deserve to be physically assaulted.

that's not disrespectful, that's talking to a person on equal terms, if you can't do that to a fucking police officer, who the fuck can you do it to? they're our servants after all. see their moto. in fact, they fucking should too. fucking pigs.

You do realize that this video and the one in Right, so who is protecting us from the cops? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549588) are the same video, yes?

No. Not at all. Though the CNN site showing the first one has a link to the second.

Dude isn't a put down.

Actually, it was a putdown during the Wild West days. IIRC, a dude is either a poser (all hat and no cattle) or simply an idiot who does not know the ways of the west. So, if you were a cowboy from the 1880's, you would be insulted if someone called you dude.

Now go watch the Big Lebowski again with that piece of knowledge in your head.

I think she’s referring to the fact that the officer in question asked him to stop calling him dude. Of course he didn’t even bother trying to be polite about it . . .
There’s absolutely no law saying one can’t call a policeman ‘dude’, and as it appears the kid wasn’t trying to be disrespectful (he looks shit-scared to me, and quite rightly. Who wouldn’t be alarmed by someone twice your height and about three time your weight, screaming at and pushing you?), it hardly amounts to verbal assault of a police officer, or whatever the US equivalent is called.

It isn't, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

As I said trying to suppress ones normal speech patterns is hard enough when you aren't terrified out of your wits.

Not unless there is another video in the other thread I didn't see.
... No they aren't. The link in this thread is to a cop threatening skaters, the video in the other link is of a man pushing a quadriplegic out of a wheelchair.
What about the word of the two people who say it's a different video?

Sorry, my bad, the OP videos are different, I got myself confused because someone posted a link to the video in that thread.

Look at this guy. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1801757 There's no law against saying "dude," no matter how annoying it may be.

I screwed up :(

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

So you think its OK for an officer to assult someone half his size?

It isn't, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.
Cops have no authority to tell people what words they can or can not use. The kid was not disrespectful, he was scared shitless. The officer was the one who behaved in an inappropriate way.

The Prime Minister, the Pope or the fucking Queen of England could very well tell me not to use so-and-so word, I can and will damn well keep using them if I see fit. A cop can't force people not to say words he doesn't like, unless it's illegal as in the case of racism or hate speech. If you want to argue about cops being able to arbitrarily choose what words you can or can't utter in their presence, then you're paving the way for a good old police state and opening the door for all types of abuse by the police.

How is the word ‘dude’ inherently disrespectful?
Dude isn't a put down.

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

Actually, it was a putdown during the Wild West days. IIRC, a dude is either a poser (all hat and no cattle) or simply an idiot who does not know the ways of the west. So, if you were a cowboy from the 1880's, you would be insulted if someone called you dude.

Now go watch the Big Lebowski again with that piece of knowledge in your head.

Dude! :p

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

Sure I can agree with that, but that cop deserved no respect.

It isn’t, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.
Lack of respect for authority is hardly the same as personal insult, which the policeman seems to think it is (and anyway, as folks have already pointed out, it’s very probably a speech pattern rather than a verbal middle finger to 'the badge').

Moreover, the kid is quite right not to respect the man’s authority in that situation; it’s a completely illegitimate abuse of power.

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.No, it isn't. The cops can tell people to do things that people do not have to do. The cops can ask if they can search your house. You can tell them not to, and there is nothing they can do about it. (Without getting a warrant.) And that kid did not have to call his mother, or allow his skateboard to be stolen.

By the way why do the police in baltimore have golf carts? That's even worse than the segway police in portland.

Kid should have stopped calling the cop dude the first time the cop asked, but theres so many disrespectful brats out there. The cop has some seroius anger issues though.

I think he's referring to the fact that the officer in question asked him to stop calling him dude. Of course he didn't even bother trying to be polite about it . . .

Exactly (I'm a guy however)

that's not disrespectful, that's talking to a person on equal terms, if you can't do that to a fucking police officer, who the fuck can you do it to? they're our servants after all. see their moto. in fact, they fucking should too. fucking pigs.
What? Dude is not disrespectful even the slightest bit. That kid didn't backtalk that stupid cop, he just said he couldn't hear him. It's not the job of the police to tell us what words to use. You can't knock somebody to the ground for saying the word dude. This isn't supposed to be some sort of police state. Even if the kid had said something disrespectful, he shouldn't be attacked for it. It's not very smart to insult the cops, but as far as I know it isn't against the law either unless it's verbal abuse or something.

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

As I said trying to suppress ones normal speech patterns is hard enough when you aren't terrified out of your wits.

Agreed, and as I have already at least implied, and now am stating outright...
That cop should lose his job, he was 100% out of line; also the kid's family should press assault charges against him.
I am not defending the cop, I am merely pointing out where some people have been mistaken.

Most police officers, at least in my experience, are decent people. The one in the video is not.

Most police officers, at least in my experience, are decent people. The one in the video is not.

The one in the video is neither decent nor a person.

Quid custodiae ipsos custodes?

Regardless, the kid should sue the state, county, city, and cop personally. He should destroy the cop's life and make an example of him.

And no, it's not disrespectful to call someone "dude". That, assuming that un-person of a cop was worthy of any respect. He isn't.

I hate cops. I was actually pissed that the kid just took it. I make sure every teenager I know knows their rights so they can tell a cop when to back the fuck off.
Probably a bad idea in this situation, you saw how extremely he reacted to just being called 'dude' and 'man', it probably would have gone worse for the kid if he had genuinely stood up to the cop.

I hate cops. I was actually pissed that the kid just took it. I make sure every teenager I know knows their rights so they can tell a cop when to back the fuck off.

This cop stepped the line. Cops are not allowed to verbally abuse others, because to return the favor is a crime, "disrespecting an officer", so a cop insulting someone is much like flame baiting.

This is my favorite:

Paul Blair, head of the police union, had not seen the video but he warns that videos show only part of a story.


For fucks sake. The video starts off when the conversation starts, and you can CLEARLY see the kid is not aggressive. Police policy is to only use one level of force higher than the person they are dealing with (come from a family of cops...), and putting the kid in a headlock and forcing him to the ground is a far cry above being called "dude".

This guy was on a power trip and hiding behind his badge. A pretty common theme in most cops.

This guy was on a power trip and hiding behind his badge. A pretty common theme in most cops.I think most cops are just normal people. The problem is that the ones who are jerks usually get away with it. I guess a lot of places are short on police so they do anything to keep the people they have. But maybe people would be more willing to join the police if they didn't act like a wimpier version of the mafia.

The kid being yelled at had diabetes, I don't think he was in a good position to stand up for himself. If I was the one holding the camera I would have definitely said something. Ever since 9/11 the cops have been treating photography like a crime, and it isn't. That's why this guy is so cool. http://www.youtube.com/user/JimmyJustice4753 He keeps getting his cameras destroyed and he just buys new ones.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with police, but that is not true.
(well, ok, it might be where you are, but it isn't universally true)

I do have to wonder, though: Don't they make exams to check for a person's sanity for this kind of job?

This guy was on a power trip and hiding behind his badge. A pretty common theme in most cops.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with police, but that is not true.
(well, ok, it might be where you are, but it isn't universally true)

For fucks sake. The video starts off when the conversation starts, and you can CLEARLY see the kid is not aggressive. Police policy is to only use one level of force higher than the person they are dealing with (come from a family of cops...), and putting the kid in a headlock and forcing him to the ground is a far cry above being called "dude".

He didn't put the kid in a headlock and force him to the ground because the kid called him a dude, he did it because the kid refused to relinquish his skateboard. Doesn't make it any better, just pointing out the fact that you had the details wrong.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with police, but that is not true.
(well, ok, it might be where you are, but it isn't universally true)

*sigh* No, your right. Cops abusing their power makes me so angry though at times I say things that even I know arent 100% true....


Incidentally, Ive only ever had one bad experiance with a cop, and when I brought it up to his supervisor he was removed from the force (what he did was actually minor, but apperantly it was his 3rd strike or something), just I see a lot of things like this both on TV/Youtube and with some of my friends and family.

My uncle is now a lawyer/judge though, so you throw that card down to a cop who thinks he can get away with more than he legally can with you, and he'll back off. I have that advantage, many dont.

I think cities get cops to match the criminals. In baltimore there are a lot of bad neighborhoods with needles and condoms paving the streets. Maybe they need cops like that, but they should stick to the places where they are needed.

So you think its OK for an officer to assault someone half his size?

No, I was merely pointing the fact that the kid did show disrespect, I made no statement that the cop's response was appropriate.

I do have to wonder, though: Don't they make exams to check for a person's sanity for this kind of job?

For city cops, I don't think so... Not really a bad idea though.

*sigh* No, your right. Cops abusing their power makes me so angry though at times I say things that even I know arent 100% true....


Incidentally, Ive only ever had one bad experiance with a cop, and when I brought it up to his supervisor he was removed from the force (what he did was actually minor, but apperantly it was his 3rd strike or something), just I see a lot of things like this both on TV/Youtube and with some of my friends and family.

My uncle is now a lawyer/judge though, so you throw that card down to a cop who thinks he can get away with more than he legally can with you, and he'll back off. I have that advantage, many dont.

I agree that there are too many 'bad' cops, one is too many as far as I am concerned, I don't however think that there will ever be the situation where there are no bad cops.

No, I was merely pointing the fact that the kid did show disrespect, I made no statement that the cop response was appropriate.

No, he didn't. I'll break down the reason to you with some discourse theory I know.

Listen. You show disrespect when you break the rules of discourse. Those rules vary from place to place, BUT they are not set only by the person with more power or authority. They are set by society, by the context and by the TWO speakers.

The cop was trying to set a rule he made up and disrespecting all other rules of that discourse in the process. "Dude" is an acceptable form of treatment. He might as well be yelling at the boy not to say words that begin with the letter "b". Would the boy saying "but..." be disrespectful as well?

The kid was not disrespectful towards the cop because it's not for the cop to decide what is and is not disrespectful to him. That job has already been done by society and by the context. The cop did not have the right or the ability to force the discourse his way. No one does.

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So you think that you could call a judge dude?

I'll give you a hint...

Chances are, if you do that you'll be sent to jail.

He didn't put the kid in a headlock and force him to the ground because the kid called him a dude, he did it because the kid refused to relinquish his skateboard. Doesn't make it any better, just pointing out the fact that you had the details wrong.
He didn't have grounds to take the skateboard. "He stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because the kid called him a dude": better?

So you think that you could call a judge dude?

I'll give you a hint...

Chances are, if you do that you'll be sent to jail.

In a courtroom, no. Because, again, SOCIETY decided against that. NOT the Judge.

Outside a courtroom, yes.

Society decided that it's disrespectful to call a cop "pig", "fucker", and other insults, but not "dude". That same society decided that it's disrespectful to call a judge "dude" in a courtroom. That's context and that's societal norms.

He didn't have grounds to take the skateboard. "He stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because the kid called him a dude": better?
More like, 'he stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because he's an authoritarian jackass with a badge, gun and weird-ass car".

:p

So you think that you could call a judge dude?

I'll give you a hint...

Chances are, if you do that you'll be sent to jail.
The only way you'd get sent to jail was if you were deliberately trying to cause offence to the judge, to hold the court in contempt.

And this doesn't refute what Heikoku said: 'rules' (guidelines is more proper) of discourse would say that calling a judge 'dude' in his or her court is bad form. But certainly not illegal.

Calling a cop 'dude' is neither bad form nor illegal.

More than this, the very idea that 'disagreeing with authority is necessarily disrespectful' is a terrible notion.

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

disrespect for arbitrary authority is one of the only virtues we have left.

In a courtroom, no. Because, again, SOCIETY decided against that. NOT the Judge.

Outside a courtroom, yes.

There is a proper form of address for cops ( officer ), if you do not use it then you are showing disrespect. What part of this do you not comprehend? As far as can they 'make' you refer to them in the proper way? No they can not, however if you are already breaking the law, and are disrespectful, the cop is not going to take kindly to it (and if you're unlucky the cop in question will be some psycho dickhead as bad or worse than the one in the video)




And yes the kids were doing something illegal there is a city statute against skateboarding on city streets in Baltimore

I lol'd at the officer's car.

More like, 'he stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because he's an authoritarian jackass with a badge, gun and weird-ass car".

:p

This.

He didn't have grounds to take the skateboard. "He stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because the kid called him a dude": better?

You don't know that.

More like, 'he stole the skateboard and put the kid in a headlock because he's an authoritarian jackass with a badge, gun and weird-ass car".

:p

That seems about right

You don't know that.



How would he have grounds? Said skateboard is not a deadly weapon nor a narcotic.

The only way you'd get sent to jail was if you were deliberately trying to cause offence to the judge, to hold the court in contempt.

Or if the judge told you to stop doing it and you continued to do so, and I was using an extreme example to point out the flaw in his argument.

There is a statute against skateboarding in Baltimore, said statute might give him the right to confiscate the skateboard; I do not know whether it does or not.

Even so that's not grounds for physical assault. Furthermore I wonder if such a city wide ban on a harmless sport would even survive a legal challenge.

How would he have grounds? Said skateboard is not a deadly weapon nor a narcotic.

There is a statute against skateboarding in Baltimore, said statute might give him the right to confiscate the skateboard; I do not know whether it does or not.

There is a proper form of address for cops ( officer ), if you do not use it then you are showing disrespect.
Nonsense!

I'm not disrespecting a police officer if I don't use a certain title, just as I don't disrespect a minister, doctor, teacher, etc., by not using a certain title.

You don't know that.
The only reason I can see is if Baltimore allows confiscation of skateboards off of people who are skating in no-skating zones.

From the video however, it certainly looks as if the hopefully soon to be ex-policeman was just taking the skateboard as part of his power trip.

How is the word ‘dude’ inherently disrespectful?

After a certain amount of time on the force cops seem to think that any level of submission less than submitting to anal rape is "disrespect." Those who have to wear shorts and neon yellow while riding bubble-domed scooters tend to be especially sensitive to it.

So you think that you could call a judge dude?

I'll give you a hint...

Chances are, if you do that you'll be sent to jail.

Actually no I have seen it done.

You don't have to respect a cop. As long as you don't touch him, you can basically call him anything. The moment there is physical contact; the rules change.

The cop was rightfully suspended as he blew it. Especially; when he wrestled the kid to the ground. The kid presented no threat and "But he called me dude" will not work as a defense.

There is a statute against skateboarding in Baltimore, said statute might give him the right to confiscate the skateboard; I do not know whether it does or not.

Well the video shows a few kids holding skateboards. The cop clearly took it because the kid said "dude."

IIRC, in the UK at least, there's a charge of 'verbally abusing an officer' or something like it.


Actually; it's possible some states have them as well. Mine does not.

As long as you don't touch him, you can basically call him anything. The moment there is physical contact; the rules change.
IIRC, in the UK at least, there's a charge of 'verbally abusing an officer' or something like it.

The cop was rightfully suspended as he blew it.
He's (currently) only been suspended temporarily, and with pay, untill there's a review. At least, that's what the news tells me.

Those who have to wear shorts and neon yellow while riding bubble-domed scooters tend to be especially sensitive to it.
"Pigs on wheels" I calls them.

Now that is disrespectful. :p


EDIT: You wouldn't see McNulty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_McNulty) pull out any of this shit.

You don't have to respect a cop. As long as you don't touch him, you can basically call him anything.



Thats actually not true. Most cops Ive dealt with will just ignore you if they walk by and you randomly yell "PIG!", but it is illegal to verbally harass a cop, which is why they get in a lot of trouble if they verbally harass anyone, because its an abuse of power because you cannot say anything back.

How is the word ‘dude’ inherently disrespectful?

Dude isn't a put down.

dude? dude! DUDE!? AAAAARGH!!!

*turns green and assaults Chumblywumbly and Sumamba Buwhan...then takes their skateboards*

but on a serious note...that cop is pretty psycho he should have been suspended for what he did. Can the kid's family sue for assault or anything?

Yeah, so this video had me rolling on the floor laughing. Even if the guy didn't think he was being videotaped, he still had to realize that there were people walking by throughout the entire confrontation, and these days we have these handy things called cell phones which allow someone to call the cops at any time, such as when they see excessive force.

Either way this guy deserves whatever he gets. And Baltimore should seriously consider buying something other than golfcarts for their officers on the beat, because it is literally impossible for anyone to respect someone who comes out of that thing.

Well the video shows a few kids holding skateboards. The cop clearly took it because the kid said "dude."

You didn't listen to the video did you?

Actually no I have seen it done.
Did I say that it would happen every time? No, I didn't.
You don't have to respect a cop. As long as you don't touch him, you can basically call him anything. The moment there is physical contact; the rules change.
True, but showing respect to people in positions of authority is a good idea.
The cop was rightfully suspended as he blew it. Especially; when he wrestled the kid to the ground. The kid presented no threat and "But he called me dude" will not work as a defense.

Agreed, I am not defending the actions of this cop, I merely have been pointing out failings in people's arguments.

True, but showing respect to people in positions of authority is a good idea.
Prudentially good, perhaps, but not morally good.

You didn't listen to the video did you?

Did you? Or can you think of a reason for him to confiscate the board of the kid who called him dude but not the rest of the boards?

Did you? Or can you think of a reason for him to confiscate the board of the kid who called him dude but not the rest of the boards?
Because the rest of the kids weren't 'giving him a hard time'?
Did you hear what I said when I drove by? Can you hear me now? Hey! I'm talking to you. Can you hear me now? Don't get defensive with me son, 'cause you'll spend some time in juvenile. You're not allowed to ride your skateboards down here. Nowhere.
The above is what he said in the first 30 seconds or so of the video.


The genuine reason why he took the board away was because he was an asshole, as demonstrated by everything else he did.

Prudentially good, perhaps, but not morally good.

So showing disrespect to people in positions of authority is morally good.



Look, I'm not saying that this guy deserves respect (he obviously doesn't) but not referring to someone who has a 'title' by said 'title' is showing disrespect; my experience is that in most case this will be ignored.

He was one pissed-off cop, definitely needs some anger management.

authority has to be recognised to be respected. passing basic training does not earn my respect. nor does progressing through the ranks. actions in the immediate context are what earns respect and this piece of filth earned none.

So the fact that the kids in the video were, in fact breaking the law, and initially he appeared to be just giving them a warning (no way to know for sure what his actual intentions were) has no bearing on this whatsoever?

A little bit of advice: If you're breaking the law, and are confronted about it by a police officer, being polite and showing respect is the best way to avoid trouble.

True, but showing respect to people in positions of authority is a good idea.



authority has to be recognised to be respected. passing basic training does not earn my respect. nor does progressing through the ranks. actions in the immediate context are what earns respect and this piece of filth earned none.

Pick one side to argue at a time. Did he confiscate the board because the kid said "dude" or not? Because this post makes it sound like you agree that that's why he took it.

I do agree that that's probably why he took it, before I was pointing out that he might have had legal justification for it.
As I said before there is a city statute banning skateboarding in Baltimore, so depending upon the actual wording of said statute, he might have had legal justification for taking the skateboard.

Serves that punk kid right...I mean it's obvious he's a menace to society...I mean hell Dude or man today....Jerk and freak tomorrow

Because the rest of the kids weren't 'giving him a hard time'?

Pick one side to argue at a time. Did he confiscate the board because the kid said "dude" or not? Because this post makes it sound like you agree that that's why he took it.

So showing disrespect to people in positions of authority is morally good.
That's not what I said. You might want to take a look at this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549605) thread.

It, obviously depends on the situation, and how you define 'disrespect'. I'm a philosophical anarchist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_anarchism), so I don't believe we have a moral duty to obey the State or authority in general. Thus, disrespect of authority is not, in itself, a morally bad act; though it's not necessarily morally good.

'Morally neutral' might fit better.

Also, I want to stress that I'm discussing practical authority, the authority to command, rather than epistemic authority, the authority of the expert in some field of knowledge or practice

not referring to someone who has a 'title' by said 'title' is showing disrespect.
I simply don't see this to be the case.

How is talking politely to a doctor, magistrate, police officer, professor, teacher, etc., without using the terms 'doctor', 'your honour', 'officer', 'sir', etc., necessarily disrespectful?

I don't think I've ever called a doctor 'doctor', and I've certainly never called any of my professors by their official title. Most would get a bit embaressed if I did.

Doesn't mean I've been disrespectful to them.

How is talking politely to a doctor, magistrate, police officer, professor, teacher, etc., without using the terms 'doctor', 'your honour', 'officer', 'sir', etc., necessarily disrespectful?

It is a title they have 'earned,' thusly not using said title can easily be construed as disrespect... Whether or not they take offense to it is a personal thing.


I don't think I've ever called a doctor 'doctor', and I've certainly never called any of my professors by their official title. Most would get a bit embaressed if I did.

Doesn't mean I've been intentionally disrespectful to them or that they've taken it as disrespect.

Fixed

No, he didn't. I'll break down the reason to you with some discourse theory I know.

Listen. You show disrespect when you break the rules of discourse. Those rules vary from place to place, BUT they are not set only by the person with more power or authority. They are set by society, by the context and by the TWO speakers.

The cop was trying to set a rule he made up and disrespecting all other rules of that discourse in the process. "Dude" is an acceptable form of treatment. He might as well be yelling at the boy not to say words that begin with the letter "b". Would the boy saying "but..." be disrespectful as well?

The kid was not disrespectful towards the cop because it's not for the cop to decide what is and is not disrespectful to him. That job has already been done by society and by the context. The cop did not have the right or the ability to force the discourse his way. No one does.

And where I come from, "Officer," "Ma'am" or "Sir" is the proper way to address a police officer.

It is a title they have 'earned,' thusly not using said title can easily be construed as disrespect...
To a rather vain person, I'd argue.

For those of you fixating on the golf cart: have you been to the Inner Harbor? For that particular venue, golf carts and bicycles are actually a much better way for police to patrol than squad cars.

To a rather vain person, I'd argue.

I'll grant you that.

For those of you fixating on the golf cart: have you been to the Inner Harbor? For that particular venue, golf carts and bicycles are actually a much better way for police to patrol than squad cars.

I have been there and agree. However, bicycle cops can still maintain respect when they exit their mode of transportation, and unless you are the ultimate bamf (which you aren't because you're driving that cart thing) it would be very difficult to maintain respect without smacking someone around getting out of that thing.

For those of you fixating on the golf cart: have you been to the Inner Harbor? For that particular venue, golf carts and bicycles are actually a much better way for police to patrol than squad cars.Actually I did go there once, and now that I think about it you're right.

absolutely, many laws are unjust and illegitimate. if you disagree with the law it's a pretty poor show to back down in the face of it.

OK, fair enough, at least now I know where your coming from on this. Don't necessarily agree 100%, but I understand your perspective now.





Personally, I think that the kids would have been better off/ should have just "yes sir, nosirred" until he went away and then went back to skateboarding.

And where I come from, "Officer," "Ma'am" or "Sir" is the proper way to address a police officer.

Maybe so, but "dude" still isn't an insult.

So the fact that the kids in the video were, in fact breaking the law, and initially he appeared to be just giving them a warning (no way to know for sure what his actual intentions were) has no bearing on this whatsoever?



absolutely, many laws are unjust and illegitimate. if you disagree with the law it's a pretty poor show to back down in the face of it.

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

What if he tells you to stop breathing?

What if he tells you to stop breathing?

lol

It's not very reasonable to argue that someone else will probably kill you if you use the word dude. I think what he really meant to say is that he feels like killing anyone who says dude.

He also said his parents should beat him up more often, which isn't very nice.

he should be sacked. also isn't threatening someone's life a criminal offence? if so he should be jailed. and he should be given a longer sentence than an ordinary citizen seeing as how he is an official entrusted with the protection of citizens.

fucking pigs. again.

Wait, he merely implied that someone would attack and kill him for being a steriotypical teenager, he didn't say something like "I'll come for you" did he?

Wait, he merely implied that someone would attack and kill him for being a steriotypical teenager, he didn't say something like "I'll come for you" did he?
You are correct: I didn't hear the cop say he would kill him personally.

So why is the tilte of this thread “Cop threatens to kill teenager” when it should be “Cop warns adolescent in a rather colorful and neurotic way” ?
Because it’s a poor title?

Anyhoos, “Cop warns adolescent in a rather colorful and neurotic way” is perhaps not strong enough. The guy does threaten the kid.

You are correct: I didn't hear the cop say he would kill him personally.

So why is the tilte of this thread "Cop threatens to kill teenager" when it should be "Cop warns adolescent in a rather colorful and neurotic way" ?

And where I come from, "Officer," "Ma'am" or "Sir" is the proper way to address a police officer.

I will address many people with those terms for sure but if I was a 14 year old kid getting bitched at like that and as obviously intimidated I would probably have lots of problems remembering how I happened to address someone.

More over as the exchange went on the officer proved himself un-deserving of consideration in the slightest

No way I am going to bother adjusting my speech style to someone so clearly un-deserving of it

OK, fair enough, at least now I know where your coming from on this. Don't necessarily agree 100%, but I understand your perspective now.





Personally, I think that the kids would have been better off/ should have just "yes sir, nosirred" until he went away and then went back to skateboarding.
This way worked out better in the long run ... the kid had to put up with a bit of un-just aggravation and an unfit officer has apparently been removed from the streets and is hopefully seeking help for his anger problem

he should be sacked. also isn't threatening someone's life a criminal offence? if so he should be jailed. and he should be given a longer sentence than an ordinary citizen seeing as how he is an official entrusted with the protection of citizens.

fucking pigs. again.

No, thats silly, as someone who should lead by example, rather than getting fired he gets paid vacati... err, paid suspension....

(I'm not sure if this cop is getting paid while being suspended, but a local cop got suspention with pay a few years back for videotaping up girls dresses).

It sickens me, these people should be jailed for double, if not triple the length of time that a normal citizen would be, they represent the very law of America... so lets show everyone how great they are by giving them paid vacation when they break the law....

It isn't inherently disrespectful, however if you are told to stop doing something by someone in a position of authority and you continue to do it... that is showing disrespect.

The officer may have a position of authority in respect to the law ... the kids actions are not covered under the law (at least in respect to how he addresses the officer)

In this case his authority had nothing to do with it ... now personally I feel it is best to follow a reasonable request by ANY person on how they would like to be addressed as long as they are reasonable with their attitude twards me

He was not reasonable therefore in my opinion not deserving of any special consideration or social niceties

What about the word of the two people who say it's a different video?

There were two vid links posted to the other thread, one(which didn't work for me) showing a man in a wheel chair, the other about 2 pages in was the same as this one.

There is a proper form of address for cops ( officer ), if you do not use it then you are showing disrespect. What part of this do you not comprehend? As far as can they 'make' you refer to them in the proper way? No they can not, however if you are already breaking the law, and are disrespectful, the cop is not going to take kindly to it (and if you're unlucky the cop in question will be some psycho dickhead as bad or worse than the one in the video)

Respect is as we all know earned, it does not come with the office, nor should it. Did you even watch the same video I did? The cop asked 'did you not hear what I said?'

The boy replied 'no I didn't' the cop started the agression, the boy was only reacting to it.

And where I come from, "Officer," "Ma'am" or "Sir" is the proper way to address a police officer.

Heh and where I come from 'pig' 'fuzz' or '****-stuble' is the proper way to address a police officer. What's your point?

How is talking politely to a doctor, magistrate, police officer, professor, teacher, etc., without using the terms 'doctor', 'your honour', 'officer', 'sir', etc., necessarily disrespectful?

I don't think I've ever called a doctor 'doctor', and I've certainly never called any of my professors by their official title. Most would get a bit embaressed if I did.

Doesn't mean I've been disrespectful to them.

Indeed respecty is a two way street. I work in IT support, once I used to work in a hospital, and had to go fix a consultants surgeons PC.

I arrived at his office, knocked, waited until he asked me to enter, I said 'hello i'm from IT'

He looked at my pass hanging around my neck and said' Aahhh yes John the problem is over here'

I looked at his pass and replied, 'Well how can I help you Stephen'

He got right irrate pointed to his pass and said that's Mr Johnstone, I shrugged and pointed to my pass and said 'in that case, I'm Mr Smith'

Respect earned and respect given huh!

Hmm, I got arrested by a similar kind of cop last year. It was guy fawkes and there were cops everywhere down by the local beach. This one cop was being a bit of a wanker and not letting us see our mate who had been in a fight and was pretty banged up. He was telling us to fuck off and stuff. So, me being my intelligent self, decided to do something silly. I picked up a used firework which was just beside me and proceeded to roll it past the aforementioned dicky cop. Unfortunately for me, he went kinda crazy.

"YOU THINK YOUR COOL THROWING A FIREWORK AT ME?"
"No sir, I just rolled it"
"DON'T GET FUCKING SMART WITH ME BOY"
"Okay sir"
....

That kind of conversation continued for a bit and he sorta roughed me up a bit. Tried to be all physical on me, it was pretty funny. Eventually I was taken back to the police station. Someone realised that there was no way they were going to charge me with anything because I missed the cop with the underarm throw anyway and was very sober. At the time the cop had said I would be charged with disorderly behaviour, but that wasn't going to happen.. I just got a formal warning.


Moral of the story, some cops are dickheads. The one in this Baltimore case just looks like a complete idiot now, hilliarous.

Baltimore has horrible cops. There was a story a while back about a couple of tourists who asked for directions out of the city. The cop was being an ass and arrested them - knowing full well that they would be released, but being late at night, they would have to sit in jail until morning.

It comes from a combination of hazardous working conditions (Baltimore is a very dangerous city with a very high crime rate) for insufficient compensation. This means the cops are cops because either they are selfless and truly want to make the city a better place, or are bullies who get off on the powertrip and abusing their position. Guess which kind is more prevalent.

Baltimore has horrible cops. There was a story a while back about a couple of tourists who asked for directions out of the city. The cop was being an ass and arrested them - knowing full well that they would be released, but being late at night, they would have to sit in jail until morning.

Why did they not sue him, the city, and so on, including this "person"'s dismissal in a settlement, and destroy his life, preferably making the story widely-known somehow and preventing him from ever picking up his life again?

"Baltimore Cop threatens to kill teenager".... Funny title... I watched the video twice; nowhere did the Cop threaten to kill the teenager...

"Baltimore Cop threatens to kill teenager".... Funny title... I watched the video twice; nowhere did the Cop threaten to kill the teenager...

Agreed. The title should be "Baltimore cop verbally abuses, manhandles, robs and insults teenager while insinuating that SOMEONE will kill that teenager and then tries to stop people from filming his misdeeds."

What's your point?

Agreed. The title should be "Baltimore cop verbally abuses, manhandles, robs and insults teenager while insinuating that SOMEONE will kill that teenager and then tries to stop people from filming his misdeeds."

What's your point?

My point is, I expect people to post a truthful title...

My point is, I expect people to post a truthful title...

Okay, would "grievously mistreats teenager" be enough?

Okay, would "grievously mistreats teenager" be enough?

Oh, I have no problem with a label of "mistreat" or "verbally abuses" (or assaults rather than abuses would work too) with whatever applicable adjectives modifying such attached... But it is a distortion of the truth to say that he threatened to kill the teenager...

Agreed. The title should be "Baltimore cop verbally abuses, manhandles, robs and insults teenager while insinuating that SOMEONE will kill that teenager and then tries to stop people from filming his misdeeds."

What's your point?

:confused:



In most localities in the U.S. the police have a right to confiscate items used in a criminal act.

Oh, I have no problem with a label of "mistreat" or "verbally abuses" (or assaults rather than abuses would work too) with whatever applicable adjectives modifying such attached... But it is a distortion of the truth to say that he threatened to kill the teenager...

You do realize, though, that the subtleties of discourse CAN be seen as telling that he did - in a subtle way - threaten the kid, right? The same way "the last guy who refused this deal isn't around anymore" IS a veiled threat.

In most localities in the U.S. the police have a right to confiscate items used in a criminal act.

Do we know that the kid was ACTUALLY skateboarding? For all we know he might be CARRYING the skate.

Hmm, I got arrested by a similar kind of cop last year. It was guy fawkes and there were cops everywhere down by the local beach. This one cop was being a bit of a wanker and not letting us see our mate who had been in a fight and was pretty banged up. He was telling us to fuck off and stuff. So, me being my intelligent self, decided to do something silly. I picked up a used firework which was just beside me and proceeded to roll it past the aforementioned dicky cop. Unfortunately for me, he went kinda crazy.

"YOU THINK YOUR COOL THROWING A FIREWORK AT ME?"
"No sir, I just rolled it"
"DON'T GET FUCKING SMART WITH ME BOY"
"Okay sir"
....

That kind of conversation continued for a bit and he sorta rou ghed me up a bit. Tried to be all physical on me, it was pretty funny. Eventually I was taken back to the police station. Someone realised that there was no way they were going to charge me with anything because I missed the cop with the underarm throw anyway and was very sober. At the time the cop had said I would be charged with disorderly behaviour, but that wasn't going to happen.. I just got a formal warning.


Moral of the story, some cops are dickheads. The one in this Baltimore case just looks like a complete idiot now, hilliarous.I actually sympathize with the cop in this case, he's probably gotten shot at before and some random person throws a firework at him. You'd probably freak out also.

I actually sympathize with the cop in this case, he's probably gotten shot at before and some random person throws a firework at him. You'd probably freak out also.

You may or not have a point. Seems like that's Britain, with the Guy Fawkes thing...

Technically, if he threatened to kill him the officer could have actually gotten himself attacked as if a threat is made upon someone's life they have the full legal right to respond if they feel threatened to a degree, aka cop trained to in hand to hand combat and fairly well armed is a big enough threat. In the past it has been ruled that if cops use excessive force, or threaten it while armed, can face a forceful response. As well, to note if you say if you go around saying that you are going to get killed can indicate that he will be the one doing it as he is the one making the threat, in a very aggreasive tone.

Do we know that the kid was ACTUALLY skateboarding? For all we know he might be CARRYING the skate.

Based on the cop's dialogue in the first 30 seconds, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that he was.


Here it is again, in case you don't remember or want to go back and take a look

Did you hear what I said when I drove by? Can you hear me now? Hey! I'm talking to you. Can you hear me now? Don't get defensive with me son, 'cause you'll spend some time in juvenile. You're not allowed to ride your skateboards down here. Nowhere.

Based on the cop's dialogue in the first 30 seconds, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that he was.


Here it is again, in case you don't remember or want to go back and take a look

And yet the question on the legality of confiscating the board AFTER the kid got off it does remain...

dude

dude

*Manhandles GS, yells at him, threatens witnesses*

What? ;)

Ah, my lovely hometown. <3 I want to kill teenagers on a regular basis!

<3 I want to kill teenagers on a regular basis!

i can send you some if you want

Based on the cop's dialogue in the first 30 seconds, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that he was.
I don't find that reasonable to assume. It is quite possible, of course, but it sounds like the cop would hassle anyone who was carrying his board whether he'd actually seen any skating or not.

i can send you some if you want

No, no. The middle school I'm interning at has PLENTY.

I don't find that reasonable to assume. It is quite possible, of course, but it sounds like the cop would hassle anyone who was carrying his board whether he'd actually seen any skating or not.

This guy looks like he was having a shitty day and decided to abuse his authority because of it. Or maybe he's just an asshole who finally got caught.

This guy looks like he was having a shitty day
He may have been having a shitty lifespan.

No, no. The middle school I'm interning at has PLENTY.

ok :p

I'm sure there was a reason he acted like that, just not a good one. Imagine all the shit that cop has to go through arresting actual thugs and stuff, and then some little kid acts like a smart ass and ignores what hes saying ( come on, how could you not hear that guys voice unless you were on a different continent:P ), he flipped out and acted irrationally, could happen to anyone. I still think he should be reprimanded for it, but give the guy a little leniancy, he has a tough job and will most probably learn his lesson.

You do realize, though, that the subtleties of discourse CAN be seen as telling that he did - in a subtle way - threaten the kid, right? The same way "the last guy who refused this deal isn't around anymore" IS a veiled threat.

Well, if that's your interpretation ANY warning could be interpreted as a threat...

Well, the cop was suspended (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/15278243/detail.html), following the Baltimore Sun sending the video to the Police Dept.

Paul Blair, head of the police union, had not seen the video but he warns that videos show only part of a story.

Really? An uncut video only shows part of the story...What'll the think up next?

Really? An uncut video only shows part of the story...What'll the think up next?

I wouldn't necessarily say the video was "uncut" since it picks up the story the SECOND time the cop had come by, but doesn't cover what occured the first time he came by... Nor does it cover when the cop first approached the kids the second time, it picks up at the moment the cop began to get angry at the kid for not listening to him... which indicates more had ocurred at a previous point in time.... So yes, an "uncut" video which only shows part of a story, is incomplete as far as showing the entire event from beginning to end....

I'm sure there was a reason he acted like that, just not a good one.

Care to provide one?

Imagine all the shit that cop has to go through arresting actual thugs and stuff, and then some little kid acts like a smart ass and ignores what hes saying[/quote]

The kid says he didn't hear him. Anyway, if fighting crime stresses him to the point where he flips out on random teenagers, then is he really cut out for his job?

( come on, how could you not hear that guys voice unless you were on a different continent:P )

They were having fun and so they weren't paying attention/didn't realize he was talking to them.

he flipped out and acted irrationally, could happen to anyone.[quote]

I can honestly say that I've never flipped out to the degree that this cop did, or to a target that had that much less of an ability to defend himself. I'm sure others can say the same.

[quote]I still think he should be reprimanded for it

He should be fired.

but give the guy a little leniancy, he has a tough job and will most probably learn his lesson.

No.

He should be fired.

And serve time for assault.

Police should have a special dispensation to hit minors.

As long as there is no felonious intent, minors should have fewer protections than adults from mild battery.

I think I distinctly smell cooking bacon. Does anyone else smell bacon? Or perhaps ham? Sausage?

I think he should've gone old-school and caned him in front of his friends as an example of the fundamental evils of skateboarding.