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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/13/hezbollah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A senior Hezbollah commander suspected in some of the highest-profile international terrorist attacks of the last 25 years has died in an explosion in Syria, Hezbollah TV said Wednesday.

Well this is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. I'm glad he's dead but I would have loved to see his trial. Any idea who killed him or did he blow himself up?

The Christians, The Sunni Insurgents, The CIA, Other international intelligence service, Israiles, Wahabbi, SS (US one!) , KGB,

many have reasons to kill him...

The Christians, The Sunni Insurgents, The CIA, Other international intelligence service, Israiles, Wahabbi, SS (US one!) , KGB,

many have reasons to kill him...

The US Secret Service aren't typically involved in extra-national affairs, and the KGB no longer exists.

The US Secret Service aren't typically involved in extra-national affairs, and the KGB no longer exists.
I think he means the FSB.

Probably some kind of inter-factional affair, although I wouldn't rule out Mossad.

Eh, for all we know, the guy might have lit a match in a place with a gas leak. Too many variables to say anything for certain.

Although the method, Car Bomb, does seem to be popular with the Syrians lately.

Perhaps he outlived his usefulness.

I blame the Jews.

a lifetime spent practising his evil socialist welfare must of taken its toll (contrary to popular belief soup is not good for the soul)

though I also blame the Jews...and the gay Mafia

I blame the Swiss. Their cunning plan of making all adults become a member of their notorious secret services has allowed them to assassinate their way to world domination.

Israel has denied involvement. From my understanding, they rarely deny responsibility for assassinations. An assassination is as much about sending a message as it is eliminating the target.

However, Israel might have carried out this assassination at the behest of the United States. Which would explain denying involvement - Israel didn't kill him for its own goals.

There is the possibility of an intra-Hezbollah feud, of course. Or the guy accidentally blew himself up.

Finally, I might point the finger at the Lebanese. Realize that a lot of Lebanese do not like Hezbollah. I don't know if the Lebanese government has this kind of capability, but it could be a non-governmental organization, or even an individual who has lost family to Hezbollah.

I'm glad he's dead

How so very christian of you :rolleyes:

How so very christian of you :rolleyes:


Oh please, no one sane really moarns the death of a terrorist commader, no matter what your personal beliefs are.

How so very christian of you :rolleyes:

Oh nice. Anything of substance?

How so very christian of you :rolleyes:

How dumb of you.

The death of a terrorist is something to be celebrated. It means less innocents will have to die. That is what matters in the end.

Actually death is bad, no matter who receives it.

Certainly he should have languished in prison for the rest of his life, but if we did blow him up, and innocents died in the blast, then we are just as bad as he.

How dumb of you.

The death of a terrorist is something to be celebrated. It means less innocents will have to die. That is what matters in the end.

No, the death of any person is not something to be "celebrated". Especially the death of someone whose guilt has never been proven.

Maybe the death of someone is at times necessary. Maybe even creates an overal benefit of society. But to celebrate death? No, never. The holding of life as something more valuable than that is one of the things that presumably makes us better people than the ones we are against.

Oh nice. Anything of substance?

nope, pointing out hypocrisy is enough for now.

nope, pointing out hypocrisy is enough for now.

Then leave troll.

S/he's not trolling. It's true, the bible tells us to revere life, no matter how evil. You were celebrating his death. As far as I know, you are a christian, and as such tend to live your life by bible. Celebrating death is not revering life, so is unchristian.

Then leave troll.
I do quite believe that if one is to make public professions of faith, one takes the risk that others will point out when his actions do not align with that faith.

You said you were "glad" he was dead. You made the comment. I merely responded by pointing out such a statement was in direct opposition to the tenants of faith you claim to espouse.

That being said, if you believe that my actions are trolling, the moderation forum is but a few clicks away.

S/he's not trolling. It's true, the bible tells us to revere life, no matter how evil. You were celebrating his death. As far as I know, you are a christian, and as such tend to live your life by bible. Celebrating death is not revering life, so is unchristian.

Posting something without essence is indeed trolling. And yes I am a Christian and yes I am glad this bastard is dead but if anyone actually read my fucking OP:

but I would have loved to see his trial

What this means is, I wanted to see a trial. Jee...the reading comprehension level here is astounding.

And yes I am a Christian and yes I am glad this bastard is dead

Thanks, you prove my point

What this means is, I wanted to see a trial. Jee...the reading comprehension level here is astounding.

So what? You still professed happiness that a person was killed, and just reaffirmed it just now.

<snip> yes I am a Christian and yes I am glad this bastard is dead <snip>

This is a very unchristian view, the statement of wishing to see his trial has no effect on that.

I'm glad he's dead

You can't make pick up on the part of the OP you want us to.

Jee...the reading comprehension level here is astounding.

I'd say my ability to read is just fine.

this thread originally showed up as "Hezbollah commander on FB" - I was like "...you're shitting me - can I add him?"

(FB = Facebook)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/13/hezbollah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview



Well this is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. I'm glad he's dead but I would have loved to see his trial. Any idea who killed him or did he blow himself up?

Mossad, Lebanese, Americans
only 3 with an actual motive to do so *shrugs *

Actually death is bad, no matter who receives it.

Certainly he should have languished in prison for the rest of his life, but if we did blow him up, and innocents died in the blast, then we are just as bad as he.

true, kidnapping is not a good way to get liked

Wow, now that this thread as been derailed about Corn's religion...

Israel has denied involvement. From my understanding, they rarely deny responsibility for assassinations. An assassination is as much about sending a message as it is eliminating the target.
Meh. Not necessarily. "Extra judicial killings" (read: assassinations) would normally be carried out and freely admitted to, in the West Bank, Gaza and in the past Lebanon when they occupied it.

As this was done in a sovereign state outside of their control, it's not surprising they wouldn't rush to admit it. Plus they've used car bombs as a method of assassination before.

accidentally blew himself up.
I doubt a senior figure in the group would be arsing around with explosives. They have underlings to do that for them.

Finally, I might point the finger at the Lebanese. Realize that a lot of Lebanese do not like Hezbollah. I don't know if the Lebanese government has this kind of capability, but it could be a non-governmental organization, or even an individual who has lost family to Hezbollah.
Possibly. But like you said, the government is fractured as doesn't have a capability to carry this out. Internal Hezb'allah? Maybe.

My guess would be an old rival faction from the civil war is cropping up again..... or the Israelis. One or the two.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/13/hezbollah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview



Well this is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. I'm glad he's dead but I would have loved to see his trial. Any idea who killed him or did he blow himself up?

Kudos to whoever whacked this piece of human waste. And if it was because of some explosive device going off prematurely while he was working on it, then props to him for doing one good thing in his otherwise satanically evil life. :mp5:

Either way, scratch one more Hezz-BLAAAH!

How dumb of you.

The death of a terrorist is something to be celebrated.

Not only do I celebrate the demise of this terrorist, but if God has seen fit to consign this tool of Satan to eternal damnation, then I rejoice in God's justice.

It means less innocents will have to die. That is what matters in the end.

Amen!

Kudos to whoever whacked this piece of human waste.

So another 'good' christian :rolleyes:

Kudos to whoever whacked this piece of human waste.

Not only do I celebrate the demise of this terrorist, but if God has seen fit to consign this tool of Satan to eternal damnation, then I rejoice in God's justice.

Amen!

I like how you've changed "Thou shall not kill" to "Kudos." Don't worry though, I won't tell anyone you're not a real Christian.

So another 'good' christian :rolleyes:

Yes, thank you.

Destroying evil is always a good thing. :D

Oh please, no one sane really moarns the death of a terrorist commader, no matter what your personal beliefs are.

There's a difference between "not mourning" and all but masturbating to the vicarious thrill of knowing someone else died like certain disgusting, possibly dangerous individuals here in this thread are doing.

There's a difference between "not mourning" and all but masturbating to the vicarious thrill of knowing someone else died like certain disgusting, possibly dangerous individuals here in this thread are doing.

i know, i mean i didnt like the dude, and i condem kidnapping, rape and the like, but i'm not gonna celebrate when it happens to an IDF commander.
PS: if i do, i will put this thread as an example of hypocircy ;)

Destroying evil is always a good thing. :D

And yet, suicide is a sin. How will you reconcile these conflicting ideals?

And yet, suicide is a sin. How will you reconcile these conflicting ideals?

If NM commits suicide its a wash? ;)

Y'know, I heard this story on the radio on my way home about half an hour ago. And predicted that, within the hour, either New Mitanni or Myrmidonisia would come in here and start cyber-wanking to the prospect of another dead ebil-turrist.

Le sigh.

Y'know, I heard this story on the radio on my way home about half an hour ago. And predicted that, within the hour, either New Mitanni or Myrmidonisia would come in here and start cyber-wanking to the prospect of another dead ebil-turrist.

Le sigh.

Well, I am so happy to have made your day :p

Rest assured, I'll keep on doing so.

If NM commits suicide its a wash? ;)

Never gonna happen, punk, so you can stop dreaming about it and take your hand off your johnson (to use an image GT seems to be obsessed with).

Yay? I don't think its okay to celebrate the death of anyone, although it is good to know that there is one less force of evil in the world.

Never gonna happen, punk, so you can stop dreaming about it and take your hand off your johnson (to use an image GT seems to be obsessed with).

Relax, it was a joke...
I don't wish death upon you, I just like laughing at your hypocrisy.

Never gonna happen, punk, so you can stop dreaming about it and take your hand off your johnson (to use an image GT seems to be obsessed with).

You're the one who JUST NOW admitted to "cyber-wanking." You admitted it with pride, in fact, so I don't see why you imply that this imagery is a bad thing.

And while I might indeed be obsessed with masturbation, at least when *I* do it I'm thinking about living women instead of dead men. You take care, New Mitanni. You're alternating so much between "I love death and killing" and "I'm a pure Christian" that you're coming across as someone's sock-puppet designed purely to isolate and satirize your extremist views.

Yes, thank you.

Destroying evil is always a good thing. :D

Define Evil. To you he is a terrorist. To himself and his family, he is a freedom fighter and now a martyr, persecuted for his religion. I condem his actions, but still don't think there is any call for rejoicing over his dead body.

I can't say I'm not happy about his death. I mean regardless of your religion, this was a man who had committed evil acts and was most likely going to commit more. I don't think it's right to be happy, but I really can't help it.

A trial would have been infinitely better though.

So I guess I agree with Corny.:eek:

I'm glad he's dead but I would have loved to see his trial.?
I don't really see the point in giving someone like him a trial. They'll only turn it into a political platform and it's a waste of money anyway. Killing them is easier. Obviously capture them if possible as they probably hold considerable intelligence, but once you're finished with them under those circumstances, it makes more sense to just quietly dispose of them.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13447682']I don't really see the point in giving someone like him a trial. They'll only turn it into a political platform and it's a waste of money anyway. Killing them is easier. Obviously capture them if possible as they probably hold considerable intelligence, but once you're finished with them under those circumstances, it makes more sense to just quietly dispose of them.

And make him a martyr to radicalise many many more young muslims? I think perhaps not.

And make him a martyr to radicalise many many more young muslims? I think perhaps not.
So what's your solution? Sit back and do nothing? Anyway, these people will probably be radicalised anyway. If you're being attacked by terrorists you've got to fight, regardless of what potential terrorists of the future may think. Particularly when you're in this kind of situation where terrorists are sheltering in other countries where you couldn't extradite them from. Going for a trials against domestic terrorists is all well and good (It would be unacceptable to go for assassinations and disappearances against your own citizens in your own country anyway), but when we're talking about this extreme international terrorism, other means have to be used.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13447747']So what's your solution? Sit back and do nothing? Anyway, these people will probably be radicalised anyway. If you're being attacked by terrorists you've got to fight, regardless of what potential terrorists of the future may think. Particularly when you're in this kind of situation where terrorists are sheltering in other countries where you couldn't extradite them from. Going for a trials against domestic terrorists is all well and good (It would be unacceptable to go for assassinations and disappearances against your own citizens in your own country anyway), but when we're talking about this extreme international terrorism, other means have to be used.


Put pressure on the country that he is in to exdratite him, and try and catch him if he goes into any of the many countries he is wanted in. Put him on a public trial, and expose him for the scumbag he is. Put him away for life. Solitary confinement if possible.

A terrorist is dead. Just leave it at that. Celebrating and wanking off to the death puts you in the same neighborhood as the jackasses who danced and celebrated the 9/11 attacks.

Put pressure on the country that he is in to exdratite him, and try and catch him if he goes into any of the many countries he is wanted in. Put him on a public trial, and expose him for the scumbag he is. Put him away for life. Solitary confinement if possible.
In the case of Syria, the chances of a Hezbollah leader being extradited from there is almost nil, regardless of how much pressure you put on them. Trying to wait the terrorist to slip up is a dangerous game. You'll be waiting for them, possibly for years to do something which they might not even end up doing, such as briefly visiting a country which you have an extradition treaty with. In the meantime, they'll be using their freedom to plan terrorist attacks against you. Tactically, the best way to go under those circumstances is assassination.

A terrorist is dead. Just leave it at that. Celebrating and wanking off to the death puts you in the same neighborhood as the jackasses who danced and celebrated the 9/11 attacks.
I disagree. Even if you do find it a little distasteful, there's a world of difference between celbrating a terrorist attack against civilians and celebrating the killing of a prolific terrorist.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/13/hezbollah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview



Well this is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. I'm glad he's dead but I would have loved to see his trial. Any idea who killed him or did he blow himself up?

Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't it be ironic and slightly funny if he accidentally blew himself up?

Relax, it was a joke...
I don't wish death upon you, I just like laughing at your hypocrisy.

Nothing hypocritical about it.

didn't Tom Cruise release that video saying that Scientologists were the only people who could help others...ZOMGZ!!!THEY MUST HAVE KILLED HIM!!!

*nods*

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13447802']In the case of Syria, the chances of a Hezbollah leader being extradited from there is almost nil, regardless of how much pressure you put on them. Trying to wait the terrorist to slip up is a dangerous game. You'll be waiting for them, possibly for years to do something which they might not even end up doing, such as briefly visiting a country which you have an extradition treaty with. In the meantime, they'll be using their freedom to plan terrorist attacks against you. Tactically, the best way to go under those circumstances is assassination.

I agree that it's not an easy thing to do, and that tactically you should assassinate him. But the terrorist threat is not going to go away just because you blow up all their leaders. It would get better slowly, but cells would be operating for years while a new hierarchy is made. Then you'd be back to square one.

And make him a martyr to radicalise many many more young muslims? I think perhaps not.

I agree.

no one sane really moarns the death of a terrorist commader, no matter what your personal beliefs are.Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.

Destroying evil is always a good thing. :DBTW I cant wait to see Vantage Point, I think Bush is gunned down.. awesome movie, reminds me of the WhiteHouse scene at ID4.

Gets the Popcorn ready. ;)

Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.
Knight was restricting the discussion to "sane" people.

I think NM is a trolling psychopath?

I wouldn't necessarily say NM is a psychopath :p

There's a difference between "not mourning" and all but masturbating to the vicarious thrill of knowing someone else died like certain disgusting, possibly dangerous individuals here in this thread are doing.


I guess I didnt read Corny's post as metaphorically jerking it. However, I do read NM's comments as doing just that.


Maybe its because I like/respect the opinions of Corny and think NM is a trolling psychopath?

I guess I didnt read Corny's post as metaphorically jerking it. However, I do read NM's comments as doing just that.

Indeed. All I said was that I am glad he is dead but I would have prefered a trial. Be glad for something and celebrating something are definitely two different things.

I agree that it's not an easy thing to do, and that tactically you should assassinate him. But the terrorist threat is not going to go away just because you blow up all their leaders. It would get better slowly, but cells would be operating for years while a new hierarchy is made. Then you'd be back to square one.
Of course the threat won't diminish a great deal by assassinating the leaders, but it's a lot better than the alternative of doing nothing. Even if these assassinations don't completely destroy the terrorist threat (Nobody claimed they would), it will at least hamper their effectiveness somewhat. Just because you can't destroy the threat in one strike doesn't mean you shouldn't at least work towards it.

I wouldn't necessarily say NM is a psychopath :p

Thanks for the affirmation :cool:

Thanks for the affirmation :cool:

You're welcome :D

I guess I didnt read Corny's post as metaphorically jerking it. However, I do read NM's comments as doing just that.


Maybe its because I like/respect the opinions of Corny and think NM is a trolling psychopath?

The next time I care about your opinion of me will be the first.

Destroying evil is always a good thing. :D

"vengeance is mine, says the lord"
"love thine enemies, do good to those who hate you"
"resist not evil"
"do not return reviling for reviling"

You know who else is celebrating today? The family of Robert Stethem. And probably the crew of the destroyer that bears his name.

Mughniyeh. Abu Laith al-Libi. Mansour Dadullah. Every time a terrorist boss is blown to smithereens, the angels sing :D

You know who else is celebrating today? The family of Robert Stethem. And probably the crew of the destroyer that bears his name.

Mughniyeh. Abu Laith al-Libi. Mansour Dadullah. Every time a terrorist boss is blown to smithereens, the angels sing :D

Obviously the Angels are just as bad as the terrorists then.

BTW I cant wait to see Vantage Point, I think Bush is gunned down.. awesome movie, reminds me of the WhiteHouse scene at ID4.

Gets the Popcorn ready. ;)

Except the President in that film is named Ashton, not Bush, and he's played by William Hurt (http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10046/hurt_william.jpg) who looks about as much like George W. Bush (http://www.aramnaharaim.org/Photo/George-W-Bush.jpg) as he looks like this fish (http://www.fishkeywestguides.com/marlin.jpg).

So, maybe your wankery is a bit too preemptive.

this thread originally showed up as "Hezbollah commander on FB" - I was like "...you're shitting me - can I add him?"

(FB = Facebook)

ROFL

The next time I care about your opinion of me will be the first.

Its no fault of mine that you act like a crazy person.

The next time I care about your opinion of me will be the first.

I feel the same about you. I usually only care about the opinion of intellectual equals.

Popcorn! Candy! Chips! Come and get 'em before the thread is closed by the mods! Only a buck fifty apiece!

Popcorn! Candy! Chips! Come and get 'em before the thread is closed by the mods! Only a buck fifty apiece!

KoL talking about "intellectual equals" is good for a laugh. Little boys shouldn't bring a knife to a gunfight.

KoL talking about "intellectual equals" is good for a laugh. Little boys shouldn't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Who's having the gun fight? Im surely not. Just pointing out an observation. Its cute also how quickly you assume to know my age. Considering my ability to actually defend my points and articulate myself well, as opposed to you, I'd say that if I'm not older than you, I'm sure more intellectually competent.

KoL talking about "intellectual equals" is good for a laugh. Little boys shouldn't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Little boys shouldn't even be in gunfights. What kind of person would shoot a child in an honorable duel?

Plus, the classy thing to do when someone mistakes a gun-fight for a knife-fight is to switch to your own knife for an even match.

Then again, you wouldn't know about honorable dueling now would you?

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13448066']Of course the threat won't diminish a great deal by assassinating the leaders, but it's a lot better than the alternative of doing nothing. Even if these assassinations don't completely destroy the terrorist threat (Nobody claimed they would), it will at least hamper their effectiveness somewhat. Just because you can't destroy the threat in one strike doesn't mean you shouldn't at least work towards it.

No, I disagree. I think we shouldn't everestimate how effective terrorist groups leaders are. I dpn't think that plans are spread over large areas- they're kept within small groups. The loss of a leader would be nothing compared to the hundreds of recruits they would gain by the death. I'm sorry, I was going to finish my post earlier.

Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.Knight was restricting the discussion to "sane" people.You can always pretend that peoples -holding views- opposed to yours are crazy, and you can always pretend that they are opposed to you because you are the beacon of freedom and Justice..

But dont ask me to share your delusion.

You can always pretend that peoples -holding views- opposed to yours are crazy, and you can always pretend that they are opposed to you because you are the beacon of freedom and Justice..

But dont ask me to share your delusion.

I firmly believe that anyone who reveares someone who intentionally targets innocent people is not sane. It has nothing to do with nationality or belief.

When the American military kills civillians, I believe investigations should be made. I am ashamed of our acts during WWII (firebombing, etc).


Dont imply nationalism or ignorance because I dont ever support killing innocent people to further one's political/religous agenda. Regardless of that agenda. The IRA I felt just as little sympathy for.

S/he's not trolling. It's true, the bible tells us to revere life, no matter how evil. You were celebrating his death. As far as I know, you are a christian, and as such tend to live your life by bible. Celebrating death is not revering life, so is unchristian.


The Bible also calls for justice to be served. It does not mandate how that should be done. As someone wiser than me posted here recently...

God will be the judge, someone just delivered him to his trial.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, evil is not something to be revered and make no mistake he was evil.

I firmly believe that anyone who reveares someone who intentionally targets innocent people is not sane.and I firmly believe that anyone who reveares the men/institutions killing women and children is not sane.

and I firmly believe that anyone who reveares the men/institutions killing women and children is not sane.

Then we're on the same page. Anyone who sees islamic terrorists as freedom fighters is not sane.


They kill women and children.
People reveare them.
You believe people who reveare those who kill women and children are insane
Ergo, you agree with me, anyone who sees them as freedom fighters is insane.

Then we're on the same page.we are?
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Anyone who sees islamic terrorists as freedom fighters is not sane.Wrong.
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They kill women and children.Just like the Israel/US Army.
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People reveare them.Just like the Israel/US army.


Ergo, you agree with me.You wish.
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anyone who sees them as freedom fighters is insane.Wrong again.
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You believe people who reveare those who kill women and children are insaneYes I do believe that.

we are? good.
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Wrong.
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Just like the US/Israel army.
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Just like the US/Israel army.

You wish.
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Wrong again.
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Yes I do believe that.



Are you honostly, honostly going to look me in the metaphorical eye and tell me you think that the Israeli and US military intentionally target innocent women and children?

Now, Im no military man. Im not fond of them by any stretch of the imagination, but Im not crazy.


There is also a huge hypocrisy going on here.

You think that anyone who reveares institutions that murder women and children are insane.

You dont think those that see Hezbollah or Al Quada as freedom fighters are insane. Now, we can agree that to recognize an organization as freedom fighters shows some reverence, right?

Now, one of two things is going on. Either your a hypocrit, or you deny that Al Quada and Hezbollah kill innocent women and children, which makes you dellusional.

So, Id say Im right it my earlier post.

Are you honostly, honostly going to look me in the metaphorical eye and tell me you think that the Israeli and US military intentionally target innocent women and children?They kill women and children.

Now, Im no military man. Im not fond of them by any stretch of the imagination, but Im not crazy.what country are you from?

You dont think those that see Hezbollah or Al Quada as freedom fighters are insane. Of course Not, why should I?

Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.

They kill women and children.


The difference is intentionally. In war, that will happen. Its the sad facts of life. Its why I am almost always against war unless there is absolutally no options. And the military tries to reduces civillian casualties. But reducing them to 0 is impossible.

One of our biggest problems in Iraq is we are trying so hard not to kill civillians.


I also see you ignored me calling you out on your belief that a reverence for a terrorist organization is acceptable as hypocrisy.


Youre not weasling your way out of this. Which is it, are you a hypocrit or dellusional?

Not only do I celebrate the demise of this terrorist, but if God has seen fit to consign this tool of Satan to eternal damnation, then I rejoice in God's justice.


Replace 'terrorist' with 'American' and 'God' with 'Allah', pluralize it, and you can hardly tell the difference can you? Like so.

Not only do I celebrate the demise of Americans, but if Allah has seen fit to consign these tools of Satan to eternal damnation, then I rejoice in Allah's justice.

Of course Not, why should I?

Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.


BECAUSE BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION anyone who reveares the murder of women and children is insane, and terrorists kill WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Youre a hypocrit.

Replace 'terrorist' with 'American' and 'God' with 'Allah', pluralize it, and you can hardly tell the difference can you? Like so.

That was fantastic.

Now, we can agree that to recognize an organization as freedom fighters shows some reverence, right?No, I cannot agree.

I do not admire Freedom Fighters, and much less admire soldiers.

what country are you from?


Why is that relevent?

No, I cannot agree.

I do not admire Freedom Fighters, and much less admire soldiers.

Your dodging the question.

This isnt about you. This is about the muslims who DO reveare them. And there are some. Im saying theyre insane. Your denying it, while based on your own logic, they are.

The difference is intentionally. In war, that will happen. Its the sad facts of life. Its why I am almost always against war unless there is absolutally no options. That is why the whole Iraq destruction is a War Crime committed by Bush and the Neocons.

Its because there was the clear option to allow Hans Blix do his damn Job.

Why is that relevent?Because you posted that you are not proud of your soldiers. And I want to debunk that statement.Now, Im no military man. Im not fond of them by any stretch of the imagination.

That is why the whole Iraq destruction is a War Crime committed by Bush and the Neocons.

Its because there was the clear option to allow Hans Blix do his damn Job.

Again, your dodging the question. Quit it. Your not wiggling out of this. Ill spell it out for you.

You said that those who reveare institutions that kill women and children are insane
I said those who reveare terrorists organizations are insane, you refuted this.
Terrorists organizations kill women and children as part of their tactics [b]on purpose/b]
Now, the question is:

Are those who reveare Al Quada or Hezbollah or Hamas insane?

Because you posted that you are not proud of your soldiers. And I want to debunk that statement.


Im from the US. And I never said I wasnt proud of our soldiers. I said I wasnt a military man, which Im not, and Im not fond of them, which Im not, Im rather unhappy with their current actions. But Im not going to spit on them, when they come home.


Stop with the red harrings. Youre starting to look foolish.

Replace 'terrorist' with 'American' and 'God' with 'Allah', pluralize it, and you can hardly tell the difference can you? Like so.Not only do I celebrate the demise of Americans, but if Allah has seen fit to consign these tools of Satan to eternal damnation, then I rejoice in Allah's justice.


I knew NM was secretly an evil muslim terrorist :p

But Im not going to spit on them, when they come home.Good, You shouldn't spit on them.

Your dodging the question.

This isnt about you. This is about the muslims who DO reveare them. And there are some. Im saying theyre insane. Your denying it, while based on your own logic, they are.

KoL? Do not argue with OD2. He's impervious to actual facts.

Good, You shouldn't spit on them.

Youre completelly ignoring my question. Worked yourself into a situation and then realized how much of a hypocrit you are, eh? Dont have the balls to admit you screwed up?

Ill take your silence as an admission of my victory.


You are hereby discredited in my eyes.

KoL? Do not argue with OD2. He's impervious to actual facts.

I am begining to understand.

This isnt about you. This is about the muslims who DO reveare them. And there are some. Im saying theyre insane. Your denying it, while based on your own logic, they are.I know its not about me.

This is about the muslims..The Muslims may see them as Freedom Fighters, it is NOT insane.

If some militia (using suicide bombers and suicide Airliners) was defending US against an bloody occupation, I would probably perceive them a Freedom fighters, it is NOT insane.

I know its not about me.

The Muslims may see them as Freedom Fighters, it is NOT insane.

If some militia (using suicide bombers and suicide Airliners) was defending US against an bloody occupation, I would probably perceive them a Freedom fighters, it is NOT insane.


But they are killing women and children, which by your own admission makes them insane, and any who reveare them insane. You said this:

and I firmly believe that anyone who reveares the men/institutions killing women and children is not sane.


Which by your own admission would make the muslims who reveare terrorist organizations insane.


Youre a bloody hypocrit. This is over. Youre like talking to a brick wall. Ive exposed you and your BS to everyone who can read. Thats all I need to do.

Youre starting to look foolish.You are the FOOL, just look at the mirror.

calling someone "FreedomFighter" DOES NOT equal reverence.
calling someone "Marine" DOES NOT equal reverence (in most Countries anyways)

I am begining to understand.

It's rather like arguing with AP

calling someone "FreedomFighter" DOES NOT equal reverence.

I disagree. As do most people.

By the way, you know how I can tell your falling apart? Your personal attack.

Yay.

I celebrated Abu Zarkawi's death by watching The Delta Force staring Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris.

I was probably the only person in the whole world who did that.

Willingly and knowingly watch Delta Force? Yeah probably;)

You said that those who reveare institutions that kill women and children are insane.Yes I said that, and I stand by my statement.
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Are those who reveare Al Quada or Hezbollah or Hamas insane?Whatever reveare means :confused: (I assume you mean to say reverence, so I am going to answer based on that assumption)



IMO, those who show reverence to the USarmy/Insurgents/IDF/etc are insane.

Yes, those who show reverence to the USarmy/Insurgents/IDF are insane IMO.

This goes in direct contradiction to your earlier statement. But at least you admitted it eventually.

Yay.

I celebrated Abu Zarkawi's death by watching The Delta Force staring Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris.

I was probably the only person in the whole world who did that.

Yay.

I celebrated Abu Zarkawi's death by watching The Delta Force staring Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris.

I was probably the only person in the whole world who did that.Chuck Norris kick ass. :D

This goes in direct contradiction to your earlier statement..absolutely NOT.
Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely NOT insane.

You need to take some reading comprehension courses or something.
Someones terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.

Of course Not, why should I?

Someones Terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.

I'm sorry, but whose freedom was this man fighting for? I mean really, unless there was going to be some sort of truly representative society set up in the place of the current regime in Lebanon I couldn't agree with the statement. Besides that, there are not really any freedom in any of those islamic societies in the middle east, it's just the nature of the beast. "freedom fighter" is a term to describe mostly western hemisphere revolutions which in theory put into place representative or at least decently liberal societies where it comes to "freedoms".

absolutely NOT.
Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely NOT insane.

You need to take some reading comprehension courses or something.



Thats the second time youve insulted my intellegence. One more time and Im reporting you. Grow up and debate like a mature adult.

Your arguing something that is relative, dont expect everyone to agree with you. Its not my fault you cant defend your point worth a crap.

Thats the second time youve insulted my intellegence. Your have been insulting your own intelligence :D

You are making yourself look like a fool.

Your have been insulting your own intelligence :D
You are making yourself look like a fool.

I wonder how everyone else who read our debate feels?

Reread our debate.


To put it in nonacademic terms:


I owned you. GG no re.

No shiite Sherlock, in another news water is wet. :D
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Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely NOT insane.

I disagree. While sometimes real freedom fighters get called terrorists, I do not agree that these groups in question have a right to be called freedom fighters. They are fighting to institute theocracy. Not what Id call a freedom fighter.

You need to take some reading comprehension courses or something.


My reading comprehension is fine, thanks. I have a Bachlor's in English and Histroy and a minor in Political Science. All three are very reading intensive degrees.

Your arguing something that is relative...No shiite Sherlock, in another news water is wet. :D
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Thats the second time youve insulted my intellegence. One more time and Im reporting you.Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely NOT insane.

You need to take some reading comprehension courses or something.
Someones terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.

...and some of US(them) feel guilty for laughing at your futile despair. :D



Anyone who honostly thinks you won that debate and actually defended your point is mentally deficient. Not for agreeing with you, but for thinking you even put up a decent fight.

Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely insane.

Fixed

I wonder how everyone else who read our debate feels?I guess many of US(them) hate me.

...and some of US(them) feel guilty for laughing at your futile despair. :D

are you new or something?

No shiite Sherlock, in another news water is wet. :D
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Perceiving them as Freedom Fighter is absolutely NOT insane.

You need to take some reading comprehension courses or something.
seriously dude grow up.
Someones terrorist is someone elses Freedom Fighter.
Hey look! It's a broken record!!

Fixedyou are aware of the Forum regulations, right?

It is very simple, you are allowed to have insane quantities of fun, as long as you dont break the rules. ;)

Hey look! It's a broken record!!No, thats the 18-1 Patriots, almost.
http://nflfreaks.com/images/Players/NFLF-Brady_Defeated.jpg

OD's arguments remind me of that game I played when I was a kid when you tried to figure out what someone said underwater.

The sounds are familiar. You could even swear they were real words. But they don't make any sense.

*Begins reciting Khrushchev's "We Will Bury You" speach to OD*

Anyone who honostly thinks you won that debate and actually defended your point is mentally deficient. Not for agreeing with you, but for thinking you even put up a decent fight.that a lot of honostly. :D

I see.. you just want to watch the game from a safe distance..

Why dont to come and join the party?

All you need to do is quote any of my statements, and show me where I am wrong. BTW, Dont Forget to follow the little green arrows this time. ;)

Go ahead and play Neo Art. Its not a very difficult game.

OD's arguments remind me of that game I played when I was a kid when you tried to figure out what someone said underwater.

The sounds are familiar. You could even swear they were real words. But they don't make any sense.I see.. you just want to watch the game from a safe distance..

Why dont to come and join the party?

All you need to do is quote any of my statements, and show me where I am wrong. BTW, Dont Forget to follow the little green arrows this time. ;)

*Begins reciting Khrushchev's "We Will Bury You" speach to OD*Unfortunately for you, its not that easy ;)

Jesus Christ! What is going on in here? Stop it all of you or I'll send you to time out.:p

Jesus Christ! What is going on in here? Stop it all of you or I'll send you to time out.:p...

I was going to go AFK anyways. :p

>>> Elvis ## has left the Building >>>

Yay.

I celebrated Abu Zarkawi's death by watching The Delta Force staring Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris.

I was probably the only person in the whole world who did that.

You poor bastard :p. Why would you subject yourself to that kind of crappy movie, EVER?!?