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Apparently, a certain school has a haunted playground.
One of the swings, will move all by itself, and continue to swing, as if being used by an invisible person.

Reputedly, the swing will continue for 10 days, and stop suddenly.
Teachers and children say its haunted.

Story and Video here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article385529.ece

I myself remain unconvinced until all logical answers are exhausted, before I look to paranormal ones.

In this case, I dont think all the investigating is done.

What do you folks think?

Eeeek a ghost!

Wind. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind) ;)

Resonance, whether caused by the wind, a low frequency sound or earth movements. Either that or it is the janitor in a rubber mask who wants to get hold of the land for some purpose.

Glitch in the Matrix, obviously.

No, apparently, its not the wind, or any kind of electromagnetic resonace.
Thats all been tested for.

In fact, some sort of "supernatural investigators" have been called in to have a crack at it.


Im thinking its probably something along different lines.
Maybe the area itself is one of those "mystery spots", where things roll uphill and whatnot.
Hard to say for sure, but I would vote for a rational explaination that hasnt been determined yet.

Wind. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind) ;)
On one swing? That's some bad ass wind. Also, that means it blows and stops or blows in two different directions, in one spot: :rolleyes:

Also, did anyone else notice how the two swings not moving stayed pulled together while the moving on was spread out like some one was actually sitting in it?

Chuck Norris must of roundhouse kicked someone near there. The sonic boom from Chuck Norri's kick can provide enough force to move a tank for 3 days, let alone a swing for 10.

Also, did anyone else notice how the two swings not moving stayed pulled together while the moving on was spread out like some one was actually sitting in it?

Didn't notice that but, yeah you are right.

There's someone off camera tugging at it with a string or fishing line.

If you notice, the swing seems to be jinked slightly to its right as it comes forward. That tells me whoever is pulling ths tring is standing off to the cameraman's left somewhere. Later, as the cameraman walks around the swingset, just as the lens starts to cover that area, the swing seems to begin slowing (as if the person wuit pulling the cord). The video goes on only for a few more seconds at that point and ends.

Of course, this assumes the cameraman is in on it and that the story is fabricated, but yeah. Until I see it in a second news source I'm going with that.

Didn't notice that but, yeah you are right.
Even if there were any phenomena moving it, there would be zero reason for it to be spread out.


And about things rolling up hill, those don't fall up do they? No, so I'm pretty sure it won't cause a free hanging structure to swing.

Of course, this assumes the cameraman is in on it and that the story is fabricated, but yeah. Until I see it in a second news source I'm going with that.And all the people watching...

No shadow of a thread or a cord or a wire there...Watch the floor.

Plus too many people watching it as to say they all are in the scam.

I blame the planet's magnetism on this one.

And all the people watching...

But here's the thing. When this video was made, did the spectators know what was supposed to be happening? Or did they just stand around, curious, as some guy videotaped another guy pulling a swing with a fishing line? It's hard to be certain without sound but people don't seem to be reacting strongly when the swing starts going. If it were paranormal-looking, I'd expect some level of agitation in the crowd that I just didn't see. It was as if they were watching a pottery demonstration.

No shadow of a thread or a cord or a wire there...Watch the floor.The whole point of fishing line.

But here's the thing. When this video was made, did the spectators know what was supposed to be happening? Or did they just stand around, curious, as some guy videotaped another guy pulling a swing with a fishing line? It's hard to be certain without sound but people don't seem to be reacting strongly when the swing starts going. If it were paranormal-looking, I'd expect some level of agitation in the crowd that I just didn't see. It was as if they were watching a pottery demonstration.

I think they were standing there before, and have already seen that swing moving several times. after the first time, is not that scary, and after all, it is just a swing. There is another girl with a camera behind the cameramen. I would find strange a guy pulling a swing with a fishing line while another tapes him, as to stop to watch them, but not as strange as to tape them.

If it is supposed to happen in a periodic way, yes, they would be expecting it to move.

I don't know, there are like 1,000 rational reasons to explain this, more than just the old fishing line scam. I think it would be pretty hard to maintain the swing moving in that way just pulling it with a fishing line. And in the video of the girl opposite to the camera, you would see the guy pulling the thread.

The way the middle swing is the one moving the most (the others do to some extent but not as much suggest to me that they have slightly different length chains to the middle one) makes me think that the crossbar is vibrating which is being turned into a swinging motion as it happens to be at the same frequency (or a multiple thereof) of the natural period of the middle swing. Whatever is starting the swing moving is continuing for some time as it appears to be gaining energy. I would be looking at vibrations caused by traffic nearby.

Today in homeschool, the children and I are apparently going to the playground to see how we can make a swing move and video it to see if we can make it look like it's doing it without interference.

Thanks so much guys :rolleyes:What, now it's our fault that you allowed them to read NSG? =P

Today in homeschool, the children and I are apparently going to the playground to see how we can make a swing move and video it to see if we can make it look like it's doing it without interference.

Thanks so much guys :rolleyes:

But here's the thing. When this video was made, did the spectators know what was supposed to be happening? Or did they just stand around, curious, as some guy videotaped another guy pulling a swing with a fishing line? It's hard to be certain without sound but people don't seem to be reacting strongly when the swing starts going. If it were paranormal-looking, I'd expect some level of agitation in the crowd that I just didn't see. It was as if they were watching a pottery demonstration.
None of that would spread the seat out.

The way the middle swing is the one moving the most (the others do to some extent but not as much suggest to me that they have slightly different length chains to the middle one) makes me think that the crossbar is vibrating which is being turned into a swinging motion as it happens to be at the same frequency (or a multiple thereof) of the natural period of the middle swing. Whatever is starting the swing moving is continuing for some time as it appears to be gaining energy. I would be looking at vibrations caused by traffic nearby.
That makes the most sense, though is the hardest to prove.

None of that would spread the seat out.
The mere force of the swinging motion could cause the flexible seat to spread out -- or rather, be pulled out by the motion of the chains. Who knows but, if not for that seat, those chains might swing or shake independently in a very different manner.

My bet is on vibrations causing a wave-like ripple pattern through the frame of the swing set that finds its outlet in the moving swing and not the others. It could come from any number of sources including wind, traffic, and underground utility equipment.

EDIT: If there's one thing I've learned from watching "Ghosthunters" on SciFi, it's that the source of 99.9% of all "paranormal" phenomena is either the plumbing or the wiring. I'll bet the swing thing is caused by underground utilities.

I'd suggest the subway system could also create vibrations that can make the swing move as Rambhutan suggested. But I'm no physics expert.

I'd suggest the subway system could also create vibrations that can make the swing move as Rambhutan suggested. But I'm no physics expert.

Could be a bus or tram line too.

My guesses are:
1. Prank
2. Resonance & standing wave.
3. Freak wind conditions
4. Unknown physical effect.

Apparently, a certain school has a haunted playground.
One of the swings, will move all by itself, and continue to swing, as if being used by an invisible person.
<SNIP>What do you folks think?

I call bullshit, the swing didn't look like it was being used, it looked like it was being pulled

yes. It's your fault 6 year old has a nation and reads the forum. I blame you.

There are worse threads around that could generate worse questions...About drugs, travestites and so forth...

yes. It's your fault 6 year old has a nation and reads the forum. I blame you.Where were the parents? :confused: :D

What, now it's our fault that you allowed them to read NSG? =P

yes. It's your fault 6 year old has a nation and reads the forum. I blame you.

Where were the parents? :confused: :D

reading the forum :( also, she just got rick roll'd so ha!

reading the forum :( also, she just got rick roll'd so ha!

Don't tell me you rick roll'd your own daughter.

I call bullshit, the swing didn't look like it was being used, it looked like it was being pulled
How do you propose it was pulled? Have you ever seen a kid on a swing?

reading the forum :( also, she just got rick roll'd so ha!

http://wiki.ytmnd.com/images/f/f0/Rickrolled.gif

The sun is A TABLOID

How do you propose it was pulled?
Fishing line...
Have you ever seen a kid on a swing?
I have two of my own, so yes I have.

kids, not swings

Fishing line...
Tied to what. I wanted to see how you think it was pulled.

And why doesn't some one just grab it. Or sit on it. I would like a self-propelled swing.

Tied to what. I wanted to see how you think it was pulled.

No need to pull, just put it swinging once and it'll keep on swinging long enough to be filmed and claimed to be haunted.

Considering the source, chances are the real answer is already known, but it isn't as interesting as a haunted swing.

Tied to what. I wanted to see how you think it was pulled.

Tied to where the chain attaches to the seat

Why are you people still arguing about a tabloid article? :sniper:

No need to pull, just put it swinging once and it'll keep on swinging long enough to be filmed and claimed to be haunted.Did you watch the video? But that gives me an idea, what if the video is backwards? I don't have any sound on this computer, so I can't really tell.

No need to pull, just put it swinging once and it'll keep on swinging long enough to be filmed and claimed to be haunted.

By the video, it started swinging after the camera was rolling, so... Yes it did need to be pulled.

nope, not backwards. cars in the backgrown, people walking and the dog indicate it's not filmed backwards.Yeah, caught that the second time I saw it.

Why are you people still arguing about a tabloid article? :sniper:

Nothing better to do?

Today in homeschool, the children and I are apparently going to the playground to see how we can make a swing move and video it to see if we can make it look like it's doing it without interference.

Thanks so much guys :rolleyes: we await the Smunkee report.

No need to pull, just put it swinging once and it'll keep on swinging long enough to be filmed and claimed to be haunted. yet the swing got stronger as the camera rolled. and it was swinging far to long for it to be just momentum.

Did you watch the video? But that gives me an idea, what if the video is backwards? I don't have any sound on this computer, so I can't really tell. nope, not backwards. cars in the backgrown, people walking and the dog indicate it's not filmed backwards.

By the video, it started swinging after the camera was rolling, so... Yes it did need to be pulled.

Backwards played film and creative editing.

edit:
Note how the swings next to the haunted one swing more at the beginning. That could be caused by the vibrations from the central swing influencing the side swings - Of course that would insinuate the events happened backward.

The sun is A TABLOID

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.
Also, aside from it being an unreliable news source, the article is reluctant to give details, you even have to get halfway through just to read where all this supposedly is happening. You're also left to just kinda assume it's a school playground because they mention a teacher in there somewhere, but even that isn't very clear. When a news source is vague on the location for something like this it's because they don't want anyone checking it out.
I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost. But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.

Apparently, a certain school has a haunted playground.
One of the swings, will move all by itself, and continue to swing, as if being used by an invisible person.

Reputedly, the swing will continue for 10 days, and stop suddenly.
Teachers and children say its haunted.

Story and Video here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article385529.ece

I myself remain unconvinced until all logical answers are exhausted, before I look to paranormal ones.

In this case, I dont think all the investigating is done.

What do you folks think?

Well, I guess I'm going to have to move there when I have kids...

But anyway, I must take issue with the word "paranormal", because it suggests that such phenemona shouldn't be occurring. If all "normal" explanations are exhausted, perhaps our definition of "normal" is what is at fault.

I guess those who claim that the place was checked for magnetic fields are lying and there is an electromagnet buried under the sand.

I guess those who claim that the place was checked for magnetic fields are lying and there is an electromagnet buried under the sand.
Because big, powerful magnetic fields are known for their pinpoint accuracy :rolleyes:

Because big, powerful magnetic fields are known for their pinpoint accuracy :rolleyes:

What pinpoint accuracy? The other swings are rocking too. Although not too much. And they have probably other motion period.
Or maybe their chains were replaced to non magnetic ones?

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.
Also, aside from it being an unreliable news source, the article is reluctant to give details, you even have to get halfway through just to read where all this supposedly is happening. You're also left to just kinda assume it's a school playground because they mention a teacher in there somewhere, but even that isn't very clear. When a news source is vague on the location for something like this it's because they don't want anyone checking it out.
I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost. But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.

It's in Argentina. I'll check argentinian news sources.

Regarding serious news reports. No, not even if it is true, and no causes for the swing movement have been found, no serious news sources are going to report this. Things more interesting are happening out there, you know?

Err, I've read this before somewhere. Might have been on the news here. Anyway, it wasn't only the Sun reporting it (though they are very late with it:p)

What pinpoint accuracy? The other swings are rocking too. Although not too much. And they have probably other motion period.
Or maybe their chains were replaced to non magnetic ones?
Then why would they swing at first then not swing later :rolleyes:

Your entire theory has bus sized holes.

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.
Also, aside from it being an unreliable news source, the article is reluctant to give details, you even have to get halfway through just to read where all this supposedly is happening. You're also left to just kinda assume it's a school playground because they mention a teacher in there somewhere, but even that isn't very clear. When a news source is vague on the location for something like this it's because they don't want anyone checking it out.
I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost. But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.
points.

1) School playground is not mentioned anywhere, it's only called a playground which could indicate public park as well.

2) Offical news carriers won't carry such a story since 'Ghosts' cannot be proven and thus would only be included if the news service was doing something special or theme related (such as Halloween themed articles.)

3) Location is given by way of town and country. most places won't give exact addresses for such a story.

Edit: tho a google search pulls up a tonne of stuff on this swing...

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.
Also, aside from it being an unreliable news source, the article is reluctant to give details, you even have to get halfway through just to read where all this supposedly is happening. You're also left to just kinda assume it's a school playground because they mention a teacher in there somewhere, but even that isn't very clear. When a news source is vague on the location for something like this it's because they don't want anyone checking it out.
I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost. But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.

I'd have to agree with you on this, and I believe in ghosts too.

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.
Also, aside from it being an unreliable news source, the article is reluctant to give details, you even have to get halfway through just to read where all this supposedly is happening. You're also left to just kinda assume it's a school playground because they mention a teacher in there somewhere, but even that isn't very clear. When a news source is vague on the location for something like this it's because they don't want anyone checking it out.
I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost. But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.Also the police where flummoxed and the physicists are boffins. Those aren't very journalistic words.

How can you tell the ghosts aren't hallucinations? I don't doubt that people see dead people floating around but there's no reason to think it's the transparent soul of an actual person.

*shrug*

Let me know when the swing informs news reporters that, for it to find peace, they must dig up its bones from under Mrs. Kennebeck's third grade homeroom and give them a proper, Christian burial.

Also the police where flummoxed and the physicists are boffins. Those aren't very journalistic words.

It's a tabloid. The average Onion article is more journalistically written.

No comment on the ghosts thing -- I've never encountered one, although it would be pretty cool.

Maybe the other two swings where tied to the ground while the wind blew the third one.

Now I have to shoot myself for taking this question seriously.

There are worse threads around that could generate worse questions...About drugs, travestites and so forth...
Those merely require conversation, and maybe a trip to the library, not me getting together a stash of fishing line and various magnets and other crap and going outside to "experiment"
Don't tell me you rick roll'd your own daughter.
it got her off the computer didn't it? ;)
we await the Smunkee report.

at the right angle we can pull the swing with a fishing line and make it appear on the camera that it's swinging by itself. we attached it to a link on one side of the swing, it didn't swing straight, the one side came out a bit ahead but not much, the people at the park did look at us with curious looks, I am trying to figure out how to get the video onto the computer so I can upload it, but I wouldn't count on that happening.

Maybe the other two swings where tied to the ground while the wind blew the third one.

Now I have to shoot myself for taking this question seriously.

you aren't the one who got dragged to the playground.

you aren't the one who got dragged to the playground.
You know who don't like playgrounds? Commies.

>_>

Your entire theory has bus sized holes.
Let me patch them now that I have a little more time.
1. I believe this is a prank.
2. To make the central swing swing, one needs a elecromagnet buried under the sand somewhere close in front of it.
3. The electromagnet has to be switched on regularly, in the right moments - when the swing is closing to it.
4. The other two swings have other movement periods and will not make bigger and bigger swings, just rock rather randomly as seen on the video.
5. The whole thing can be automated by putting under a seat the magnetic security label such as are used in supermarkets, hiding the detection loop in the swing construction and controlling the electromagnet this way. Then it can run for days unattended. People are sometimes doing much more complicated pranks than that.
On the other hand, at some moments the movements of the central swing seem to be too abrupt to be caused by relatively weak magnetic field. It's hard to say because video quality is too low.
The resonance theory that postulates that the constant weak wind caused this movement is quite plausible, but doesn't explain how the swing could rock for several days.

Apparently, a certain school has a haunted playground.
One of the swings, will move all by itself, and continue to swing, as if being used by an invisible person.

Reputedly, the swing will continue for 10 days, and stop suddenly.
Teachers and children say its haunted.

Story and Video here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article385529.ece

I myself remain unconvinced until all logical answers are exhausted, before I look to paranormal ones.

In this case, I dont think all the investigating is done.

What do you folks think?

It's a bloody swing, who cares?
Now if a house was swaying from side to side, then i'd be interested.
Obviously Wind or some complex physics explanation or a hoax. Or a poorly made swing.
It's a swing, just shows how suprstitious some people are.
Just a publicity stunt.
There's always a story about a haunted house somewhere, because it makes life interesting, fact is there is no haunted places, or ghosts, or anything wierd like that.

To rule out wind you have to litter the ground with a bunch of sawdust or packing peanuts or something that will be easily disturbed by air currents. Ghosts can't be real for the same reason that Ro and LaForge should have did instantly in that episode of TNG when they found the Romulan phase cloak. If ghosts go through stuff and is affected by gravity then it should sink into the ground and end up in the Earth's core. If they aren't tethered to Earth by gravty then they will eventually fly off into space because this planet revolves around a star that is moving around a galaxy that is moving through space. If ghosts couldn't walk through walls then they'd bump into us al the time because billions of people have died, Earth would be crowded with invisible dead people. There is no such thing as a ghost, they just can't exist, at least not in any way which allows for physical interaction with the world. We are our brains, when those die so do we. That's why I'm going to have my brain scanned and permanently backed-up by a talking supercomputer so that I can be reconstructed and revived at a later date.

Just watched the video.
If it is a ghost, it has no idea how to use a swing. Seriously. That was some dumb swinging there.

I believe very strongly in ghosts as I grew up in a haunted house and if a reliable news source reports anything like this then I'm likely to believe it's a ghost.
/likes a good ghost story
Where did you grow up? And what kind of haunting? Was it a little orphan girl in a Victorian-era outfit?

Considering the source, chances are the real answer is already known, but it isn't as interesting as a haunted swing.

I'd be interested in how this was being caused, very interested. Any supernatural explanation is of no use to me, I can't replicate it. :D

You know who don't like playgrounds? Commies.

>_>


No time to play when we have wheat to harvest. Now where did I put that sickle?



As for the so called haunted playground. It is probably going to end up as a hoax. I wouldn't be surprised if these people saw the Virgin Mary face on the seat of the swing.

Apparently, a certain school has a haunted playground.
One of the swings, will move all by itself, and continue to swing, as if being used by an invisible person.

Reputedly, the swing will continue for 10 days, and stop suddenly.
Teachers and children say its haunted.

Story and Video here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article385529.ece

I myself remain unconvinced until all logical answers are exhausted, before I look to paranormal ones.

In this case, I dont think all the investigating is done.

What do you folks think?
I think that this is The Sun and thusly the story should be ignored as it is featured in a tabloid.

Give me a respectable source with the same exact facts and THEN I will start examining it. Until then because I cannot trust that all of the information is factually true examination is pointless.

not saying this is or is not real, but a few observations on the content of other people's arguments...

It was as if they were watching a pottery demonstration.if they'd seen it for four months it wouldn't be that shocking anymore.

Thus is the biggest reason I don't think it's a ghost. If it was a reliable news source I'd think there was something paranormal going on.like the associated press would publish a ghost story...even if the chief editor of some "legitimate" news source had a poltergeist in his or her office, they couldn't publish it - they'd be laughed out of business.But it it's some tabloid that can't even so much as give you a location then I think it's a hoax.yeah, the fact it's a tabloid that makes money off of this stuff is a large point towards the hoax idea.How can you tell the ghosts aren't hallucinations?because hallucinations do not throw shit around houses, make furniture shake and hop around, or or reveal information to people. if you talk to people about it or do any amount of research, it becomes obvious very quickly that the majority of hauntings, real or imagined, do not involve seeing anything. I have yet to meet anyone who can hallucinate their bed into shaking or a heavy, rusty deadbolt into locking itself...both of which multiple people reported in the 100 year old hotel I work at. I've seen things too, (in fact, conversations have been interrupted by the abrupt appearance and disappearance of a human form which both I and another employee saw...two sober people with completely different backgrounds and psychological states do not spontaneously hallucinate the same thing in the same place at the same time) but that's not how it usually works. the scientific method is not infallible, nor is it omniscient - and considering the central role of consciousness in all aspects of the paranormal, an extremely important variable in any real testing of these phenomena is completely ignored by most secular materialists, who have largely written off the subject of whatever research they bother with before even beginning....that episode of TNG when they found the Romulan phase cloak...If ghosts go through stuff and is affected:rolleyes:

In case it hasn't been said yet...this news report was brought to you by The Sun. The same fantabulous publication which brought you "Bat Boy Terrorizes Chicago", "Scientists Have Predicted the End of the World Will Be In 1995" and "Queen Elizabeth had a love child with an alien."

So, really, I sort of have to take this entire report with an entire block of salt.

I will kind of lean to that fishing line idea, and yeah it is the Sun newspaper. So I got a weird idea call in that Destination Truth show on Sci-fi, also Ghost Hunters International or whatever paranormal show you can think of. Have them go down to Firmat, Agentina and "investigate." Although, I have to give the Sun some credit as a haunted swing-set is not their usual M.O. None-the-less, I have my own crack pot theory: What if the swing-set is situated on a small fault line? If it were placed just right on the line; where the 4 legs are grounded on both sides of the fault (2 legs on one side, swing bar, then 2 legs on the other side of the fault), so when the two sides of the fault press together it might create a slight arch in the swing bar. And when some of the fault pressure is released the tention in the arch gets transfered into kinetic energy channeled into the middle swing, thus, causing the swing to swing.

As a side note this is very shotty journalism. To give us just a location, video, and barely a paragraph is piss poor reporting. If it were a ghost where did it come from? Who was the spirit? How did the specter die?

Resonance, whether caused by the wind, a low frequency sound or earth movements. Either that or it is the janitor in a rubber mask who wants to get hold of the land for some purpose.

http://www.rsc.co.uk/datas/scooby.jpg

:rolleyes:
They walked around on the floors and didn't sink but somehow were able to walk through walls. They also should have suffocated because they were out of phase but I'll give you that one because ghosts are supposed to be dead, what do they need air for?

All I'm saying is that if you're going to say that ghosts are real then you have to consistent on the rules about them. Either a ghost can move through stuff or it can't. If it can then it will either sink into the ground or fly drift off into space as the Earth revolves around the sun, the sun move around the galaxy, and the galaxy moves through space. If ghosts can interact with the world then you'd be bumping into them all the time because there have been so many people before now, people that died.

Finally, in all the ghost investigations performed there has always been some rational explaination. Ghosts have never been proven to exist under controlled conditions. James Randi has a million dollar prize up for grabs to anyone who can prove the paranormal and not one person has been able to claim it. Several have com forward but not a single person has yet been able to prove the existance of paranormal or supernatural phenomena. I know that a lot who refuse to take the challenge pull the "I don't need the money" bullshit but you tell me a charity that can say the same thing. Maybe when you find the headline "Psychic wins lottery" you'll have something but I'll bet you over $9,000 he (or she, as the case may be) won't be able to do it again.

They walked around on the floors and didn't sink but somehow were able to walk through walls. They also should have suffocated because they were out of phase but I'll give you that one because ghosts are supposed to be dead, what do they need air for?

All I'm saying is that if you're going to say that ghosts are real then you have to consistent on the rules about them. Either a ghost can move through stuff or it can't. If it can then it will either sink into the ground or fly drift off into space as the Earth revolves around the sun, the sun move around the galaxy, and the galaxy moves through space. If ghosts can interact with the world then you'd be bumping into them all the time because there have been so many people before now, people that died.

Finally, in all the ghost investigations performed there has always been some rational explanation. Ghosts have never been proven to exist under controlled conditions. James Randi has a million dollar prize up for grabs to anyone who can prove the paranormal and not one person has been able to claim it. Several have com forward but not a single person has yet been able to prove the existance of paranormal or supernatural phenomena. I know that a lot who refuse to take the challenge pull the "I don't need the money" bullshit but you tell me a charity that can say the same thing. Maybe when you find the headline "Psychic wins lottery" you'll have something but I'll bet you over $9,000 he (or she, as the case may be) won't be able to do it again.

Interesting post here however Paranormal is exactly what it means. Something not normal is Paranormal. It is an umbrella term used for many things. I for one do believe that paranormal things happen however sometimes we can explain situations and there are others that can't be explained because humans do not have a full understanding of their enviroment and how it works.

As for psychics I am a 100% believer. Not all proclaimed psychics are what they say they are though. The reason I believe is that we had a grandmother on my mothers side that was a proclaimed psychic. She was very good at it. She predicted so many things in all of my siblings lives including mine that has come to be correct it is uncanny. She didn't do vague readings but detailed readings that so far have come true. Not all things she said were good either. For this I am a believer in that realm.

In case it hasn't been said yet...this news report was brought to you by The Sun. The same fantabulous publication which brought you "Bat Boy Terrorizes Chicago", "Scientists Have Predicted the End of the World Will Be In 1995" and "Queen Elizabeth had a love child with an alien."

So, really, I sort of have to take this entire report with an entire block of salt.

Sorry do you mean The Sport?

They walked around on the floors and didn't sink but somehow were able to walk through walls. They also should have suffocated because they were out of phase but I'll give you that one because ghosts are supposed to be dead, what do they need air for?

All I'm saying is that if you're going to say that ghosts are real then you have to consistent on the rules about them. Either a ghost can move through stuff or it can't. If it can then it will either sink into the ground or fly drift off into space as the Earth revolves around the sun, the sun move around the galaxy, and the galaxy moves through space. If ghosts can interact with the world then you'd be bumping into them all the time because there have been so many people before now, people that died.

The ghosts can choose if they interact with an object or not, so they can pass through walls but not through the floor unless they want to. And everyone knows that Earth stands still and all the Universe and galaxies and Sun revolve around it in weird patterns. Heretic!

No shadow of a thread or a cord or a wire there...Watch the floor.

Plus too many people watching it as to say they all are in the scam.

I blame the planet's magnetism on this one.

10 pound test monofilament fishing line. Transparent, therefore nearly invisible and casts no discernable shadow.

The seat twists a lot more than it would if there was someone sitting on it.

If, however, this is real then we have the solution to the looming energy crisis! Ghost Power!

Naaaa I don't think so. You have never seen a kid do that twisting swinging thing? Again osmething that somebody mentioned and everybody decided to ignore, is the seat of the swink has spread out as if somebody was sitting on it. How could you do that with a bit of fishing line I wonder

The seat twists a lot more than it would if there was someone sitting on it.

If, however, this is real then we have the solution to the looming energy crisis! Ghost Power!

Naaaa I don't think so. You have never seen a kid do that twisting swinging thing? Again osmething that somebody mentioned and everybody decided to ignore, is the seat of the swink has spread out as if somebody was sitting on it. How could you do that with a bit of fishing line I wonder

1) The "the seat is spread out as if somebody was sitting on it" thing is a fiction. I didn't ignore it. I addressed it on page 2. That is a flexible seat. If it were being spread out like that by someone sitting on it, it would have to be someone with a very wide and inflexible butt. I say the seat is spread out as if the chains are spreading out in their swinging motion.

2) Smunkee's brilliant children have already proven that a swing like this one can be pulled with fishing line and made to swing as if by its own power, by attaching the line to a link of the chain near the seat. This would also account for the spreading, if only one of the chains is being pulled. It would also account for the twisting.

3) Movement caused by vibration would account for those effects, too.

My view: The video and story are a hoax, and the motion is either caused by vibrations moving through the swing set, or it is staged.

2) Smunkee's brilliant children have already proven that a swing like this one can be pulled with fishing line and made to swing as if by its own power, by attaching the line to a link of the chain near the seat.
One would hope 5 year olds could figure that out.

1) The "the seat is spread out as if somebody was sitting on it" thing is a fiction. I didn't ignore it. I addressed it on page 2. That is a flexible seat. If it were being spread out like that by someone sitting on it, it would have to be someone with a very wide and inflexible butt. I say the seat is spread out as if the chains are spreading out in their swinging motion.

2) Smunkee's brilliant children have already proven that a swing like this one can be pulled with fishing line and made to swing as if by its own power, by attaching the line to a link of the chain near the seat. This would also account for the spreading, if only one of the chains is being pulled. It would also account for the twisting.

3) Movement caused by vibration would account for those effects, too.

My view: The video and story are a hoax, and the motion is either caused by vibrations moving through the swing set, or it is staged.

All good points, yet the only thing I can think of at this moment is my mispeiling; what the hell do you suppose a swink is?