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OVERLAND PARK, Kansas (Reuters) - Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee won the Kansas contest on Saturday to choose a Republican U.S. presidential candidate, chalking up another victory after a strong showing in the South earlier in the week, U.S. media projected.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080209/pl_nm/usa_politics_kansas_republicans_dc

What do you think? Do you think Huckabee still has a chance, now has a chance, or never had a chance, and why?

This is Kansas. KANSAS. That explains Huckabee's win.

I'm not surprised in the slightest. And no, this doesn't improve his chances. He never really had a chance against the well-oiled machine of veteran national politicians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080209/pl_nm/usa_politics_kansas_republicans_dc

What do you think? Do you think Huckabee still has a chance, now has a chance, or never had a chance, and why?

A former Evangelical Baptist minister wins the home state of the flat-earth society, and this is touted as news?... I actually would have been more shocked if Huckabee HADN'T won Kansas...

This is good news. I hope it gives him the confidence to continue sabotaging McCain along with making him look like a fool. =)

Not suprising in the least. I'm glad I don't live in Kansas.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080209/pl_nm/usa_politics_kansas_republicans_dc

What do you think? Do you think Huckabee still has a chance, now has a chance, or never had a chance, and why?

A chance to be VP, yes. In fact the deal has probably already been made. McCain is not doing well with the conservatives, especially the left wing. If he wants to garner their support, which he will need to beat Clinton or Obama, he might be able to do that by selecting Huckabee as his VP.

Maybe they didn't get the 'presumptive nominee' memo. But yeah, not a big surprise that the 'creationism in the classroom' state went to the god guy. Three more states today, see how that roles.

A former Evangelical Baptist minister wins the home state of the flat-earth society, and this is touted as news?... I actually would have been more shocked if Huckabee HADN'T won Kansas...

You forgot home of the Westboro Baptist Church. :D

A chance to be VP, yes. In fact the deal has probably already been made. McCain is not doing well with the conservatives, especially the left wing. If he wants to garner their support, which he will need to beat Clinton or Obama, he might be able to do that by selecting Huckabee as his VP.

I would guess that that deal was made with Romney. If they made the deal with Huck I think he would have tucked in by now, like Romney suddenly did.

So a monkey wins the State That Didn't Evolve.

Color me unsurprised.

However, let's hope this gives Huckabee the confidence to run on HIS OWN ticket, with some moronic party like the Constitution Party or whatever, thus draining McCain of votes and ensuring the Democratic victory.

I would guess that that deal was made with Romney. If they made the deal with Huck I think he would have tucked in by now, like Romney suddenly did.

No, I think Romney realized he couldn't win and by getting out of the race now he can put himself in a better position to run in 2012.

You forgot home of the Westboro Baptist Church. :D

Opps, silly me....

...and this is news how?

...and this is news how?

It just happened and is part of a major parties primary during a presidential campaign?

It just happened and is part of a major parties primary during a presidential campaign?

I think he is making the statement in jest.... Much like someone reporting that the sun is "hot" may not be considered "news" in the sense that the result is not surprising in the least to those reading the statement...

A former Evangelical Preacher wins Kansas. In other news, Bear shit in the woods, more on this story in a bit.

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto.
Just follow the Yellow Brick road to find Huckabee!:D

*shudder* its looking like mccain should pick huckabee as vp candidate because of his strength in the south/bible belt. *shudder*

I think he is making the statement in jest.... Much like someone reporting that the sun is "hot" may not be considered "news" in the sense that the result is not surprising in the least to those reading the statement...

I got it, but it was ill applied. More appropriate would be something like "No surprises there" or the like.

This is Kansas. KANSAS. That explains Huckabee's win.

Beat me to it.

You forgot home of the Westboro Baptist Church. :D

They actually demonstrated against Huckabee (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/08/westboro-baptist-church-pickets-mike-huckabee-in-kansas/) because he's not homophobic enough. :D

They actually demonstrated against Huckabee (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/08/westboro-baptist-church-pickets-mike-huckabee-in-kansas/) because he's not homophobic enough. :D

Ah now the idiots fight the idiots to gain the best idiot of the two. I mean that is such a backward way of thinking.

They actually demonstrated against Huckabee (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/08/westboro-baptist-church-pickets-mike-huckabee-in-kansas/) because he's not homophobic enough. :D

Well, they would probably demonstrate against Jesus Christ Himself, if he came back now, for eating with prostitutes and tax-collectors....

Ah, Huck... (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/09/feb.9.contests/index.html)
(you have to read down, the article starts off about the Democratic race)

"I know the pundits, and I know what they say: The math doesn't work out," Huckabee said Saturday morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. "Well, I didn't major in math, I majored in miracles. And I still believe in those, too."


I know I'm supposed to comment, but I kind a just want to let that one sit there, kind of air out like a glass of wine...

Well, they would probably demonstrate against Jesus Christ Himself, if he came back now, for eating with prostitutes and tax-collectors....

Nah, the WBC doesn't care about prostitutes and tax-collectors. They would, however, probably freak out about the fact that Jesus let himself get kissed by a dude. Clearly, Jesus is a fag and God hates him. [/phelps-logic]

Maybe they didn't get the 'presumptive nominee' memo. But yeah, not a big surprise that the 'creationism in the classroom' state went to the god guy. Three more states today, see how that roles.

he's ahead in louisiana and just about even in the early numbers from washington.
huckasweep?
republican party in utter disarray?
free cake?!

he's ahead in louisiana and just about even in the early numbers from washington.
huckasweep?
republican party in utter disarray?
free cake?!

I have been led to believe that there is an inherent dishonesty re:the cake.

EDIT: What I'm watching has him tied in Washington and taking LA. Kansas wasn't a surprise, but this...

I have been led to believe that there is an inherent dishonesty re:the cake.

EDIT: What I'm watching has him tied in Washington and taking LA. Kansas wasn't a surprise, but this...If he wins in Washington, the CNN/FOX/ABC/CBS will say that there is a shit load of evangelicals in Washington :D

because they *know* that only evangelicals vote for Huck :p

Ah, Huck... (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/09/feb.9.contests/index.html)
(you have to read down, the article starts off about the Democratic race)




I know I'm supposed to comment, but I kind a just want to let that one sit there, kind of air out like a glass of wine...

The only math Huck Norris needs is counting bullets!

http://conservablogs.com/nuke/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/mikehuckabee.jpg

If he wins in Washington, the CNN/FOX/ABC/CBS will say that there is a shit load of evangelicals in Washington :D

because they *know* that only evangelicals vote for Huck :p

CNN's Wolf Blitzer just said that it was a statistical impossibility for Huck to win and that he only had a long shot to basically cause a 'no win' for McCain. I haven't checked his math, though, because right now it's not a strong suit...

updated 8 minutes ago
CNN(Live election results) says Huck is pulling ahead in Washington

Huckabee --27%

McCain --23%

Paul --21%

Romney --18%

Uncommitted --11%

CNN's Wolf Blitzer just said that it was a statistical impossibility for Huck to win and that he only had a long shot to basically cause a 'no win' for McCain. I haven't checked his math, though, because right now it's not a strong suit...yeah, FOX too tried to convince him to quit.
bigMedia has been doing that kind of crap all along..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuWmEZdbOpI&feature=related

this one from Ann Coulter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWSljC2iJ90&feature=related

This is good news. I hope it gives him the confidence to continue sabotaging McCain along with making him look like a fool. =)

Eh. You realize that Huckabee is the main reason McCain has the nomination basically wrapped up right now, right? He might've still gotten it, but not until a bit later.

*shudder* its looking like mccain should pick huckabee as vp candidate because of his strength in the south/bible belt. *shudder*

Because McCain could lose the South/bible belt otherwise? :p Not likely.

I'm happy, Huckabee should be winning.

Hey McCain, :upyours:

That goes to you too Obama and Clinton!

I'm happy, Huckabee should be winning.

Hey McCain, :upyours:

That goes to you too Obama and Clinton!hi there.
You must be an "evangelical" right?.. because FOX/ CNN told me only evangelicals support Huckabee... and since we all know FOX/CNN tell always the truth ;)

I'm Baptist.

Dude, CNN/FOX are just biased s**t lickers.

I guess all Romney voters are Mormon, and all McCain voters are war veterans.

I guess all Romney voters are Mormon, and all McCain voters are war veterans.LOL. good oneDude, CNN/FOX are just biased s**t lickers.yes they are. "pundits" they call it.

1. Agreed, maybe we should tell CNN/FOX that
2. Thank, my good friend.

Not suprising in the least. I'm glad I don't live in Kansas.

Kansas kicks ass.

Some of the best schools in the country, friendly people, great roads, and great food are located in Kansas.

I've been to Kansas. Nothing to write home about. Pretty much like any other Midwestern state.

free cake?!

Mmmm...cake. :)

They actually demonstrated against Huckabee (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/08/westboro-baptist-church-pickets-mike-huckabee-in-kansas/) because he's not homophobic enough. :D

Apparently, unless you outright call for the death of all homosexuals, you're a "fag-enabler" in Phelp's book. Truly a sad, twisted, hopeless, pathetic little troll he is.

Because McCain could lose the South/bible belt otherwise? :p Not likely.
McCain could EASILY lose some of those states to Obama (not to Hilary, to be sure).

I love that Ann Coulter rips on Huckster.

Anyone that Ann Coulter rips on is amazing in my book. Even if I disagree with him, I support him just because Ann Coulter hates him. To earn Ann Coulter's public ire, you have to be doing something right.

I'm Baptist.

Southern?

McCain could EASILY lose some of those states to Obama (not to Hilary, to be sure).

Hah! We shall see, eh? ;)

I can see it now... they put aside their differences for...

Huckabee/Phelps '08 -- Judgement Day.


:eek:

I can see it now...

Huckabee/Phelps '08 -- Judgement Day.


:eek:

I see a horror movie in the making. :D

I love that Ann Coulter rips on Huckster.

Anyone that Ann Coulter rips on is amazing in my book. Even if I disagree with him, I support him just because Ann Coulter hates him. To earn Ann Coulter's public ire, you have to be doing something right.

She rips on Huck and McCain. She's run out of candidates.

Southern?

Yes.

Also, Ann hates him? Huckabee is obviously good.

Yes.


Southern Baptists are evangelicals.

so, it appears that the republican party is stealing its own elections now - they stopped counting in washington with 87% of the precints counted and just sort of declared it for mccain and his current lead of like 200 votes.

me thinks huckabee actually won there too.

Southern Baptists are evangelicals.



Well, I support him because I researched his platform, I agree almost completely with it.

At this point Huckabee is the guy hanging around other players waiting to recover a fumble. If the McCain campaign has some sort of blowout he'll be there to pick up the ball and try to run it in. I don't see any other way he can win.

so, it appears that the republican party is stealing its own elections now - they stopped counting in washington with 87% of the precints counted and just sort of declared it for mccain and his current lead of like 200 votes.

me thinks huckabee actually won there too.



Psh Republicans dont steal elections:rolleyes:

... the FairTax is something that can really rally voters.

Mostly because too many people see that its called 'Fair Tax' and think it really is :rolleyes:

No wai!

White religious fundamentalist wins in Kansas?

Cripes!

I would guess that that deal was made with Romney. If they made the deal with Huck I think he would have tucked in by now, like Romney suddenly did.
Nah, Romney had sunk about $25 million of his own into the campaign. Suspending it was just good business.

Huckabee is better financed, or spends his money better -- don't know which for sure.

The thing that really bugs me is that Huckabee has a winning platform. Whether you like it or not, the FairTax is something that can really rally voters. That the mainstream media has all but ignored it since January makes me wonder what they are interested in reporting.

I mean if Romney had started advocating polygamy, the media would have been all over it and would have never let it go... But talk about a revolution in tax reform and you don't hear a peep.

The thing that really bugs me is that Huckabee has a winning platform.


I agree. Ammending the Constitution to include Gawd and removing the right of religions freedom thus turning America into a theocracy, and isolating those with AIDs from society is a really solid, winning platform.

Kansas blows; not only because I was beaten up for being gay, not because of the WBC, not because they're loons... but because they voted for Huckabee. Bah!

Shame on you, Kansas, shame on you...

Kansas blows; not only because I was beaten up for being gay, not because of the WBC, not because they're loons... but because they voted for Huckabee. Bah!

Shame on you, Kansas, shame on you...

Actually, Kansas is always windy because Missouri sucks and Colorado blows...

You would probably find people anywhere who would beat you up for being gay, loons are everywhere, WBC...what is tha?

Actually, Kansas is always windy because Missouri sucks and Colorado blows...

You would probably find people anywhere who would beat you up for being gay, loons are everywhere, WBC...what is tha?

In certain parts of my city anyone trying to beat up a gay guy would quickly find themselves out-numbered...

WBC is the Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps' flock.

WBC...what is tha?

An incestuous church run by Fred Phelps that believes all misery in the world is caused by gays and the worlds lenient attitude towards them. Their opinion is preferably expressed loudly at funerals of homosexuals and US soldiers.

Actually, Kansas is always windy because Missouri sucks and Colorado blows...

You would probably find people anywhere who would beat you up for being gay, loons are everywhere, WBC...what is tha?

LMAO.

I've lived in a lot of places, and only there did I get beaten up for being even a little bit obvious. Only there... only there. *shakes fist at them*

WBC = Westboro Baptist Church, o' course.

Oh, I know about them. I don't see it referred to with just the initials often.

so, it appears that the republican party is stealing its own elections now - they stopped counting in washington with 87% of the precints counted and just sort of declared it for mccain and his current lead of like 200 votes.

me thinks huckabee actually won there too.
I might be wrong, but doesn't the Republican Party have an 'all or nothing' system in that state, so instead of assigning delegates by district won it's whoever wins the most districts wins the whole tomato?

If that's the case and they reached a statistical inevitability after tallying 87% (like if every vote left was for Huck it still wouldn't give him the win) then why not stop it once the outcome is certain?


I'm guessing about this, I don't know for sure.

EDIT: According to an article linked in another thread I'm all kinds of wrong.

An incestuous church run by Fred Phelps that believes all misery in the world is caused by gays and the worlds lenient attitude towards them. Their opinion is preferably expressed loudly at funerals of homosexuals and US soldiers.

what does that remind you of? http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/newsarchive/nazis.jpg

This is nothing like the conundrum that will face the Democrats at the convention. The scheme they have to select delegates makes the electoral college look simple. But just imagine how this will play out... Obama wins the popular vote in a majority of states. Clinton wins more delegates. Obviously, Clinton wins the nomination, but isn't this the same sort of wrong and unrepresentative allotment that the Democrats have cried over since 2000?



Well, considering Obama also has more delegets now...

so, it appears that the republican party is stealing its own elections now - they stopped counting in washington with 87% of the precints counted and just sort of declared it for mccain and his current lead of like 200 votes.

me thinks huckabee actually won there too.

This is nothing like the conundrum that will face the Democrats at the convention. The scheme they have to select delegates makes the electoral college look simple. But just imagine how this will play out... Obama wins the popular vote in a majority of states. Clinton wins more delegates. Obviously, Clinton wins the nomination, but isn't this the same sort of wrong and unrepresentative allotment that the Democrats have cried over since 2000?

Well, considering Obama also has more delegets now...
Not including those all-important superdelegates.

I wonder if they wear cloaks?

Hah! We shall see, eh? ;)
Probably, want to put any money on it?

Not including those all-important superdelegates.

I wonder if they wear cloaks?
If not, they should wear their underpants over their trousers / skirts tbqh.

Not including those all-important superdelegates.

I wonder if they wear cloaks?


Any unincluded SD's have not yet pledged their support to anyone.

Any unincluded SD's have not yet pledged their support to anyone.

Traditionally they wait until the popular selection and then go with that vote.

Traditionally they wait until the popular selection and then go with that vote.

Thats my point, he's currently winning.

This is nothing like the conundrum that will face the Democrats at the convention.

the republican party flat out inventing 'winners' without even bothering to actually count votes isn't worse than the party delegates nearly unanimously voting for the already agreed on by that point nominee?

the republican party flat out inventing 'winners' without even bothering to actually count votes is worse than the party delegates nearly unanimously voting for the already agreed on by that point nominee?
Not really, no.

Especially since the Repubs know that Huckabee is basically unelectable to any swing voters.

Thats my point, he's currently winning.

And the vast majority of them haven't said who they're voting for and the ones who have haven't voted.

And the vast majority of them haven't said who they're voting for and the ones who have haven't voted.

yeah, counting superdelegates into the pre-convention totals is just a downright ridiculous practice.

yeah, counting superdelegates into the pre-convention totals is just a downright ridiculous practice.



CNN we're look at you...

This is Kansas. KANSAS. That explains Huckabee's win.

Yeah, I don't think anyone's really surprised that he won fucking Kansas.

Oh, that's right. You're a Democrat...


Yeah, you know, the party that likes everyone's voice to count.

the republican party flat out inventing 'winners' without even bothering to actually count votes isn't worse than the party delegates nearly unanimously voting for the already agreed on by that point nominee?
Why is it necessary to count all the votes, when a candidate already has a majority -- meaning more than 50 percent -- of the cast votes? Why put time and effort into meaningless activity?

Oh, that's right. You're a Democrat...

Why is it necessary to count all the votes, when a candidate already has a majority -- meaning more than 50 percent -- of the cast votes? Why put time and effort into meaningless activity?

Oh, that's right. You're a Democrat...

hahahahaha
i'm a democrat? hilarious.

btw, we don't even have real numbers from the 87% of precincts that were counted, apparently.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/178051.php

but even if we did, the difference between them was a couple hundred votes, there were more than that left to count, and nobody had 50% of anything.

you going for a record on wrongness density or something?

If not, they should wear their underpants over their trousers / skirts tbqh.
"Able to leap a polling booth in a single bound!"

Any unincluded SD's have not yet pledged their support to anyone.
Right, so it'd be silly to say that Obama's currently winning.

Right, so it'd be silly to say that Obama's currently winning.Not really. The chance that an unstable tree will fall on a race track, thus costing the leading runner victory has little impact on the race until it falls. Until it does, the leading runner is "currently winning."

word from the general (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/02/redesign-for-cool-hand-luke.html):

Luke Esser, heterosexual
Chair, Washington State Republican Committee

Dear Chairman Esser,

As a Washington State Republican, I'm embarrassed by our current website. Not only is it boring, it fails to tell the story of your efforts to make the Party a winning enterprise again.

Enclosed, you'll find an image of a redesign I'm proposing for the site. I think it does a much better job of showcasing what you and the Party are doing. I hope you like it.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mh1TZAM-AWU/R7DbvlPZrBI/AAAAAAAAAxU/2pxYD4mhZxI/WArepubs.png

"Able to leap a polling booth in a single bound!"


Right, so it'd be silly to say that Obama's currently winning.


How? He currently has more delegets ergo, hes currently winning.

So, by your logic, anytime your watching a sporting match and someone asks whos winning before its over, you cant answer.

My great fear is Huckabee vs. Obama. I would have to vote for Wayne Root. Come to think of it, I may vote for him anyway.

My great fear is Huckabee vs. Obama. I would have to vote for Wayne Root. Come to think of it, I may vote for him anyway.

My understanding is that Huckabee would have to sweep the remaining states for that to happen. The best he can hope for is to force the nomination to go to the convention by preventing a McCain majority. To what end I have no idea.

screw Huckabee

Not including those all-important superdelegates.

I wonder if they wear cloaks?

Didn't you see The Incredibles? NO CAPES!

Until it does, the leading runner is “currently winning.”

How? He currently has more delegets ergo, hes currently winning.
Unless I’m sorely mistaken, Clinton has more delegates pledged for her, if we include those superdelegates that have pledged support.

I don’t see the point of not counting the pledged superdelegates. Thus, she is currently winning.

Didn’t you see The Incredibles? NO CAPES!
True enough.

Unless I’m sorely mistaken, Clinton has more delegates pledged for her, if we include those superdelegates that have pledged support.
I don't think that's true anymore. (I could, of course, also be mistaken; it has occasionally been known to happen.)

I don't think that's true anymore. (I could, of course, also be mistaken; it has occasionally been known to happen.)

Well, it depends on who you ask. If you ask CNN (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D), then no-Clinton has a slight lead when you include Superdelegates. By 12.

If you ask CBS (http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/d_delegateScorecard.shtml), Obama has the lead even when Superdelegates are 'assigned' by 11.

I don’t see the point of not counting the pledged superdelegates.

the fact that they aren't pledged in any sense at all, perhaps?

and that unless the democratic party is even stupider than i think they are, they will almost all vote for the person ahead by some democratic measure of rank and file support, even in the unlikely scenario that a deal isn't brokered before any delegate voting takes place.

Unless I’m sorely mistaken, Clinton has more delegates pledged for her, if we include those superdelegates that have pledged support.

I don’t see the point of not counting the pledged superdelegates. Thus, she is currently winning.


True enough.


None have pledged. Clinton is just submitting numbers including SDs she assumes will go her way.

None have pledged. Clinton is just submitting numbers including SDs she assumes will go her way.
That's not 100% accurate. Both Clinton and Obama are submitting lists and they both include people who have not publicly announced that they would vote one way or another but there are also people on there who have in fact publicly said they would.

That's not 100% accurate. Both Clinton and Obama are submitting lists and they both include people who have not publicly announced that they would vote one way or another but there are also people on there who have in fact publicly said they would.

Well yes both are submitting them, but this was about Clinton's SDs.

the fact that they aren’t pledged in any sense at all, perhaps?

None have pledged. Clinton is just submitting numbers including SDs she assumes will go her way.
I sees, I sees.

I was under the impression that the superdelegates which many sites/news sources had down as ‘declared’ had actually declared, as opposed to said sites/news sources merely predicting their declarations.

My fault for trusting the media. :p

I sees, I sees.

I was under the impression that the superdelegates which many sites/news sources had down as ‘declared’ had actually declared, as opposed to said sites/news sources merely predicting their declarations.

My fault for trusting the media. :p



Blame CNN. Theyre the ones that already would be calling her Madam President if they could.

Not just CNN.

Reuters, the UK’s Guardian, Times and a number of other sources said much the same without (as far as I could see) merely copying news off of CNN.


Thats not suprising, CNN is arguably America's largest news source, so they probably circulate many of their stories and articles to forgein media outlets, especially forgein outlets who cant constantly have someone overseas to cover something that most forgeiners probably dont give two shits about;)

Blame CNN. Theyre the ones that already would be calling her Madam President if they could.
Not just CNN.

Reuters, the UK’s Guardian, Times and a number of other sources said much the same without (as far as I could see) merely copying news off of CNN.

I sees, I sees.

I was under the impression that the superdelegates which many sites/news sources had down as ‘declared’ had actually declared, as opposed to said sites/news sources merely predicting their declarations.

My fault for trusting the media. :p

well, some of them have come out to publicly support a particular candidate (and a few have said that they are voting for whoever won their state). but the problem is that they can and do change their minds, typically on the basis of how the candidates are doing in the primaries.