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(Inspired by the US president thread)

These are from Barack Obama:

From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".



From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."



From Dreams Of My Father;
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, and name names"


From Dreams Of My Father, "I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.."









Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".


From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

source:

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_pres ident_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

In other news, Marx was a lover of capitalism, George W. Bush is an environmentalist, and I'm a big fan of taking quotes from people out of context in an effort to prove something that's probably not true.

:headbang:

And as usual, no commentary from the troll, I mean, OP. Just another hit-and-run C&P job.

Ahhhh, EBIL MOSLIM! Bad OBARMA!:)

Gee... you mean to tell me that Obama is a person of mixed racial ancestry who has faced issues dealing with that ancestry and has told the story of how he felt at various times about it in his autobiography?

I am so shocked.
:rolleyes:

:headbang:

I second that.

Read the quotes, check the sources.

Your all just ignoring it because you don't want your prime candidates name sullied.

Tell me, if it where a white man saying that about another race, would he not be racist?

That's twice you've posted this list of quotes, twice that you've been asked for actual page references so that people can examine the context that you're pulling them from (assuming you're not just reproducing someone else's poorly thought out rantings), and four times I've read through what you've posted to try and make some sense of it.

I'm still not seeing where the accusations of racism are backed up. Maybe my reading comprehension is off.

I have links for the sources.

Read the quotes, are some of what he said not racist?

As I asked before, got any page references, or any in-context quotes?

If Obama is a racist that make Hillary a Bit*%, oh wait, she already is. :p

And as usual, no commentary from the troll, I mean, OP. Just another hit-and-run C&P job.

Your the one behaving like a troll.

Page numbers!

Check the sources link.

Read the quotes, are some of what he said not racist?

All of what he said is not racist.

Barack Obama is racist, etc
That's twice you've posted this list of quotes, twice that you've been asked for actual page references so that people can examine the context that you're pulling them from (assuming you're not just reproducing someone else's poorly thought out rantings), and four times I've read through what you've posted to try and make some sense of it.

I'm still not seeing where the accusations of racism are backed up. Maybe my reading comprehension is off.

Read the quotes, check the sources.

Your all just ignoring it because you don't want your prime candidates name sullied.

Tell me, if it where a white man saying that about another race, would he not be racist?

Page numbers!

1) Let's see the links.

2) I've read the quotes, repeatedly, and no, I don't see them as being necessarily racist.

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

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You know what he means by that? That counts as racism.

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From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

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He called the white race menacing alien and apart from other races. Thats racism no?

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From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

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He telling people not emulate being white and that being black is a superior attribute.

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From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

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Ah the coup de gras, he said he hates white people, he calls them cruel and ignorant and that white people are trying to take over the other races.

I have links for the sources.

Read the quotes, are some of what he said not racist?

1) Let's see the links.

2) I've read the quotes, repeatedly, and no, I don't see them as being necessarily racist.

I'll judge the first set of quotes when I know the context and couldn't care any less about the second lot.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


He said that about white people, tell me that isn't racist, i dare you.

All of what he said is not racist.
Second. It is obviously the collection of thoughts of some one growing up a mixed child in a racist world, then interspersed with "HE'S A MUSLIM, TERRORISTS!"

Though because he is a Democrat he inherently supports terrorism according to Romney so it would be irrelevant if he was Muslim.

I'll judge the first set of quotes when I know the context and couldn't care any less about the second lot.

LoL. Your boy Ron Paul is accused - that is to say, he must either be - racist, or incompetent.

So you do the old, blame someone else game. Sorry kid, that defense doesn't work: Even if Obama was a racist, it wouldn't make Ron Paul any less racist/incompetent.

And since Obama is clearly not a racist, you just wind up coming across as the kind of zealous, lying lunatic that I'm starting to think makes up the Paulbots nowadays.


??? Your acting as if I'm defending Ron Paul. I don't care for American politicians and therefore Ron Paul. That ends part of your rant.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


That quote alone is proof of him being racist against white people.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


He said that about white people, tell me that isn't racist, i dare you.
Tell me white people in America arn't cruel and ignorant towards black people, especially mixed black people, and I will tell you that is racist.

Oh yes, that site is completely unbiased and hasn't cherrypicked the quotes...

I see the mud-slinging has begun earlier than usual. I thought it was bad enough with the blasted Paulbots.

Why do people think i support Ron Paul? I don't.

Even if they are cheerypicked quotes that doesn't make them any less racist.

Why do people think i support Ron Paul? I don't.

Even if they are cheerypicked quotes that doesn't make them any less racist.
Except is does because they are entirely out of context.

George W. Bush: "not the"

George W. Bush hates the word "the." Tell me he doesn't, I dare you.

Tell me white people in America arn't cruel and ignorant towards black people, especially mixed black people, and I will tell you that is racist.

So your saying every white person is cruel and ignorant?

To be blunt, that is racism against white people. I wonder what would happen if i could every black person cruel and ignorant, I'd get booed of the forum for racism.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

odd number of quotation marks - what exactly is being quoted there?

Except is does because they are entirely out of context.

George W. Bush: "not the"

George W. Bush hates the word "the." Tell me he doesn't, I dare you.

What are you on about?

odd number of quotation marks - what exactly is being quoted there?

Things from Barack Obama.

LoL. Your boy Ron Paul is accused - that is to say, he must either be - racist, or incompetent.

So you do the old, blame someone else game. Sorry kid, that defense doesn't work: Even if Obama was a racist, it wouldn't make Ron Paul any less racist/incompetent.

And since Obama is clearly not a racist, you just wind up coming across as the kind of zealous, lying lunatic that I'm starting to think makes up the Paulbots nowadays.

So your saying every white person is cruel and ignorant?

To be blunt, that is racism against white people. I wonder what would happen if i could every black person cruel and ignorant, I'd get booed of the forum for racism.
Are you white?

What are you on about?
Taking quotes COMPLETELY out of context doesn't prove anything.

Oh yes, that site is completely unbiased and hasn't cherrypicked the quotes...

I see the mud-slinging has begun earlier than usual. I thought it was bad enough with the blasted Paulbots.

Are you white?

Why would that make i difference?

I won't tell you my race, but i bet if i said i was black that'd shut you up.

Are you white?


Taking quotes COMPLETELY out of context doesn't prove anything.

Out of context? He's talking about the white race, most of what he is saying is racist.

And ya know, if you have no care for American politicians, I wonder why you are so concerned with making one of them look bad. Freelance, charity smear campaigner, is that what you are?

'Cause i feel like educating you NSG members about Obama, especially after everyone saying that they shouldn't vote for Ron Paul 'cause he is a racist, so in theory the same should work for Obama :rolleyes:

You know what he means by that? That counts as racism.

No. It counts as an typical human response to white racism.

Now, if those feelings led him to, say, advocate for the oppression of white people, then he would be a racist. But I've never seen a word from Obama indicating anything of the sort.

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

Context here is important.

He called the white race menacing alien and apart from other races.

Actually, he didn't. He's talking about the "emotion between the races." That is, he is pointing out that he thought at the time (to make a plausible assumption about the context) that the distrust between the races would always lead black people to regard whites as "menacing, alien, and apart."

Not only is that observation about race relations not racist, but it's also somewhat true... perhaps not "always", but certainly for the foreseeable future.

He telling people not emulate being white and that being black is a superior attribute.

No, he isn't. He's talking about himself. He's saying that he identified with his black father, and from the other quotes and a basic understanding of what he's talking about, it's easy to see why.

Ah the coup de gras, he said he hates white people,

Nothing there suggests that he hates "all" white people, or white people as a class.

Edit: For that matter, nothing there suggests that HE hates at all. He's talking about "hate" in abstract.

he calls them cruel and ignorant

"some cruel", "some ignorant"....

and that white people are trying to take over the other races.

Pointing out the ideology and practice of white supremacy? What a crime! :rolleyes:

i support...racist[s]

good to know

I don't particularly care for any politicians, American or otherwise, and therefore Obama is not 'my' candidate, which sort of nullifies part of your rant, too. Fun, eh?

Sorry but no, it's not proof by any stretch of the imagination. Without the context, which you seem to be reluctant or unable to provide, it means absolutely nothing. If anything it is most likely, as The_pantless_hero said, "the collection of thoughts of some one growing up a mixed child in a racist world"

So him saying that the white peoples where ignorant and cruel and where trying to rule black peoples lives is not racist.

awww, there's more posts in this thread than most of the thread's i've made. but this guy doesn't give a full explanation of where the quotes came from.
why?
:(

There are, its just theres massive lag and posts keep on being posted above older posts for some reason.

odd number of quotation marks - what exactly is being quoted there?

From the second article:

“That hate hadn't gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

The "blaming" is the insertion of the article's author, not Obama.

??? Your acting as if I'm defending Ron Paul. I don't care for American politicians and therefore Ron Paul. That ends part of your rant.

True enough. I thought you were Rekh127, who is *also* a Dec 2007 member making stupid claims in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549262). My bad.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


That quote alone is proof of him being racist against white people.

No, it isn't. It doesn't even say, "I blame white people."

And ya know, if you have no care for American politicians, I wonder why you are so concerned with making one of them look bad. Freelance, charity smear campaigner, is that what you are?

With meaningless sentence fragments from a book? Yeah, real educational.



Yes, in theory. Of course, it just happens that "Obama is a racist" is a theory that no one here but you believes, and because you are too intellectually dishonest to give the least bit of reasonable support for.

Yes there are fragments from a book, racist fragments. Its not a theory you just don't choose to accept facts. I have given enough support to prove it but no one will listen.

I don't care for American politicians and therefore Ron Paul. That ends part of your rant.
I don't particularly care for any politicians, American or otherwise, and therefore Obama is not 'my' candidate, which sort of nullifies part of your rant, too. Fun, eh?
From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

That quote alone is proof of him being racist against white people.
Sorry but no, it's not proof by any stretch of the imagination. Without the context, which you seem to be reluctant or unable to provide, it means absolutely nothing. If anything it is most likely, as The_pantless_hero said, "the collection of thoughts of some one growing up a mixed child in a racist world"

Correct, it's not. What he's saying may even be true.

You really think that all white people are ignorant/cruel and plan to rule black peoples lives? That is racist.

I know I'm not planning on ruling and black peoples lives, nor am i ignorant or cruel.

Awww damn, you points ruined now.

So him saying that the white peoples where ignorant and cruel

"Some ignorant", "some cruel"....

Do you really lack such basic reading comprehension?

and where trying to rule black peoples lives is not racist.

The hierarchical domination of blacks by whites is, in the US, an unfortunate fact. Pointing this out is in no sense "racist."

awww, there's more posts in this thread than most of the thread's i've made. but this guy doesn't give a full explanation of where the quotes came from.
why?
:(

Its really hard to talk about anything on this forum.

All the posts are placed seemingly randomly along the thread and i can't tell if I've answered them yet or not due to the lag.

It's even more amusing that the source articles aren't racist, but simply explaining that Obama has grown up in an often racist environment, and the quotes reflect that.

He grew up in a racist environment and believed the racism, making him racist.

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".


From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

Oh yes, hugely racist stuff there. :rolleyes:

The timewarp is strong in this thread.

'Cause i feel like educating you NSG members about Obama

With meaningless sentence fragments from a book? Yeah, real educational.

, especially after everyone saying that they shouldn't vote for Ron Paul 'cause he is a racist, so in theory the same should work for Obama :rolleyes:

Yes, in theory. Of course, it just happens that "Obama is a racist" is a theory that no one here but you believes, and because you are too intellectually dishonest to give the least bit of reasonable support for.

Oh yes, hugely racist stuff there. :rolleyes:

Well the bottom ones aren't but the others are.

awww, there's more posts in this thread than most of the thread's i've made. but this guy doesn't give a full explanation of where the quotes came from.
why?
:(

Because only by taking the quotes out of context can Obama be made out as a racist.

So him saying that the white peoples where ignorant and cruel and where trying to rule black peoples lives is not racist.
Correct, it's not. What he's saying may even be true.

You really think that all white people are ignorant/cruel

Some. SOME.

and plan to rule black peoples lives?

Obviously not. Thankfully, Obama didn't say anything about "all" white people.

(Inspired by the US president thread)

These are from Barack Obama:

From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".



From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."



From Dreams Of My Father;
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, and name names"


From Dreams Of My Father, "I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.."









Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".


From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

source:

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_pres ident_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

Have your read his books? And do you have page numbers?

You also do realize that your "sources" are really shitty right?

:rolleyes:Read the quotes, check the sources.

Your all just ignoring it because you don't want your prime candidates name sullied.

Tell me, if it where a white man saying that about another race, would he not be racist?

you mean like ron paul

From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".



From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."



From Dreams Of My Father;
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, and name names"


From Dreams Of My Father, "I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.."Sounds like quotes from his past that have been taken out of context.

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."Islam isn't a race.

From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."This also doesn't reference racism in the least.

Have your read his books? And do you have page numbers?

You also do realize that your "sources" are really shitty right?

It's even more amusing that the source articles aren't racist, but simply explaining that Obama has grown up in an often racist environment, and the quotes reflect that.

Yes there are fragments from a book, racist fragments.

No, they are sentence fragments, not just fragments from a book.

For example:

"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives"

This doesn't say anything. There's no subject. WHAT that hate hadn't gone away? WHO was blaming white people? There's no context.

Maybe you need an education in grammar.

Its not a theory you just don't choose to accept facts. I have given enough support to prove it but no one will listen.

Yeah you know... this supposedly racist book by this supposedly racist Obama. Sells millions of copies, has millions of readers.... but only you in the entire world see it as "proof" that Obama is a racist. I guess EVERYONE who read the books and doesn't think like you just doesn't accept "facts."

Or maybe, you're fucking wrong and/or trolling, and that's why you refuse to support your bullshit claims.

Care to "educate" me some more?

An adolescent confrontation
Barack Obama recalls punching out the “first boy” who “called me a coon” in seventh grade.
“I gave him a bloody nose,” Obama wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from My Father.”
“Why’dya do that?” the boy said through “tears of surprise,” according to Obama.
It was not the first time young Obama would be subjected to racial slurs. He recalled an assistant basketball coach in high school referring to a group of black men as “niggers.”
“I told him — with a fury that surprised even me — to shut up,” Obama wrote.
“There are black people, and there are niggers,” the coach explained, according to Obama. “Those guys were niggers.”
Obama answered with contempt.
“'There are white folks and then there are ignorant motherf---ers like you,’ I had finally told the coach before walking off the court,” he wrote.

Aha i found what he was getting at.
He was verbally insulted as a kid, and responded in kind.
In no way is Obama a racist.
End of thread.

In other news, Marx was a lover of capitalism, George W. Bush is an environmentalist, and I'm a big fan of taking quotes from people out of context in an effort to prove something that's probably not true.

:fluffle:

Careful now, HotRodia.... soon you'll have people thinking you can't just pull stuff out of context....

Oh yes, hugely racist stuff there. :rolleyes:

The timewarp is strong in this thread.
Evil Muslims, remember?

Oh yes, hugely racist stuff there. :rolleyes:

The timewarp is strong in this thread.

It's causing not only jolt to throw our posts all over the place, it's making us all have to argue the exact same thing to the exact same person again and again.

Its really hard to talk about anything on this forum.

All the posts are placed seemingly randomly along the thread and i can't tell if I've answered them yet or not due to the lag.

Yeah its hard to keep up with 4 or 5 different people posting against you isn't it? I got the same treatment from these "Obama-bots" when I rejected the notion of global warming a few months ago.

But you know, I think these quotes largely reflect ideas Obama was raised to beleive as an adolescent and probably not things that he beleive now. And also, noticing the differences between white people and black people is not the same as considering one race to be superior over the other.

The timewarp is strong in this thread.
I feel a disturbance in the Force.

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Here's a lesson (for Hachihyaku) in "cherry-picking".

Hachihyaku - "... being white ..." "... is a superior attribute."

Now of course, I have still retained honesty with the above statement because of the closed quotation marks and periods, but if I was a part of a conservative newspaper that will always support Republicans, such as your source, I may not write as honestly.

You see, I can transform that into

Hachihyaku - "Being white is a superior attribute". All I did was capitalize one word, and remove some periods and quotes, and you now sound like a racist. That's why you need context, and that's why we want page numbers.

Ceasing to advertise his mother's race does not make Obama a racist. Does anyone want to run around showing off their parent's race/ethnic group/religion? Taking qoutes from the book without page numbers cannot tell us in which context he is writing this.:headbang:

Your the one behaving like a troll.

Refresh my memory -- which one of us started a thread that made a controversial claim without adequate proof then sat back to watch the ensuing shitstorm then, when asked for the context of several quotes, refused to do so?

I'm pretty sure it was you that did that.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


He said that about white people, tell me that isn't racist, i dare you.

He said SOME people are cruel. SOME people are ignorant.
Call the press.

Some noobs are trolls.
OMG I JUST INSULTED ALL NOOBS!

Read the quotes, check the sources.

Your all just ignoring it because you don't want your prime candidates name sullied.

Tell me, if it where a white man saying that about another race, would he not be racist?

Presumably you've checked the sources, i.e. the books referenced? Why don't you type out the quotes along with the context?

Yeah its hard to keep up with 4 or 5 different people posting against you isn't it? I got the same treatment from these "Obama-bots" when I rejected the notion of global warming a few months ago.

But you know, I think these quotes largely reflect ideas Obama was raised to beleive as an adolescent and probably not things that he beleive now. And also, noticing the differences between white people and black people is not the same as considering one race to be superior over the other.

And what are these so-called racial differences?

Aha i found what he was getting at.
He was verbally insulted as a kid, and responded in kind.
In no way is Obama a racist.
End of thread.
Well the short fuse re: his race isn't a good thing, but he hasn't tried to punch out any reporters(that I've heard of) so he might have it under control.
Evil Muslims, remember?
They're suicide bombing the space-time continuum!
And what are these so-called racial differences?

White people have paler skin than black people :)

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".


From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

source:

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_pres ident_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

How are any of these racist? The last one is an explicit statement of tolerance and acceptance. Did you even read this crap before you posted?

Yes ... I... just don't choose to accept facts. ...no one will listen.

Well, there you have it, folks. I dare you to say you did not say those words, and in that order.

EVERY canidate has faults, every one has opposition, and more importantly they are HUMAN. we are not electing someone who is perfect, we are electing someone to rule our country as the leader of the free world. I am NOT a fan of Obama, I would rather see someone experienced in office. But!!! I really wish politicians would stop the mud slinging and FOCUS ON THE ISSUES AT HAND:mad:

Originally posted by Hachihyaku
From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

*gasp* RACIST!

Wow.

6 pages in a little over an hour. I have seriously underestimated Obamania.

White people have paler skin than black people :)

Most of the time, maybe... but even that differentiation gets really muddled fast.

Tell me white people in America arn't cruel and ignorant towards black people, especially mixed black people, and I will tell you that is racist.

Thats a incredibly racist thing to say, gtfo.

Im not even American but I take offense to that.

I've just checked the religion link (it's broken by the way) and it turns out that a certain person has been telling lies and quotemining...

My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

Actual quote:

“The person who made me proudest of all, was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Full quote from article:

Obama calls the Iraq war “a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country.” He is also protective of civil rights for Muslims in the U.S.

“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

You really think that all white people are ignorant/cruel and plan to rule black peoples lives? That is racist.

I know I'm not planning on ruling and black peoples lives, nor am i ignorant or cruel.

Awww damn, you points ruined now.
No I don't think that, and nor did I claim it. I pointed out that, from the perspective of the writer, that might be an accurate impression to take away of the society he found himself in and of some (the qualifier in the quote you presented to start with, to be contrasted with the word 'all', if you please) of the white people in it.

Oh, and "Awww damn, you points ruined now."... what the hell is that even meant to mean?

Well the short fuse re: his race isn't a good thing, but he hasn't tried to punch out any reporters(that I've heard of) so he might have it under control.

They're suicide bombing the space-time continuum!


White people have paler skin than black people :)

No duh, but the other poster seemed to be implying that there are other differences.

Tell me white people in America arn't cruel and ignorant towards black people, especially mixed black people, and I will tell you that is racist.

I have to say, that is the ridiculous and racist kind of generalization that the ignorant among the 'whites' make about black people. :headbang:

And what are these so-called racial differences?

you know, black people always drive like this:

leans back, squints his eyes a little and trys to look cool

and white people drive like this:

sits up straight, tenses his face and focuses directly ahead.

Its true %100 of the time.

It's even more amusing that the source articles aren't racist, but simply explaining that Obama has grown up in an often racist environment, and the quotes reflect that.

I never said they were racist, I said they were shitty, which is true.

They are severely biased, false, and poorly written.

Wow.

6 pages in a little over an hour. I have seriously underestimated Obamania.

Or rather the capability for many posters on NSG to join together and completely destroy a weak argument.

I charge you on one count of sarcasm.

Back off G, is Soyut gonna have ta kill a nigga?

Or rather the capability for many posters on NSG to join together and completely destroy a weak argument.

It was indeed severely pwnt.

Barack Osama?

Thus the reason why I don't think he'd make it if he's the nominee and campaigns somewhere in the deep south... :sniper:

If someone is stupid enough to think that, they probably don't deserve to vote, or even live, for that matter.

you know, black people always drive like this:

leans back, squints his eyes a little and trys to look cool

and white people drive like this:

sits up straight, tenses his face and focuses directly ahead.

Its true %100 of the time.

I charge you on one count of sarcasm.

Barack Osama?

Thus the reason why I don't think he'd make it if he's the nominee and campaigns somewhere in the deep south... :sniper:

In other news, Marx was a lover of capitalism, George W. Bush is an environmentalist, and I'm a big fan of taking quotes from people out of context in an effort to prove something that's probably not true.

Epic Win. This post should've ended the thread, but alas, it didn't...

Oh yes, that site is completely unbiased and hasn't cherrypicked the quotes...

I see the mud-slinging has begun earlier than usual. I thought it was bad enough with the blasted Paulbots.
The article is from Jan 30, 2007, so yes, it began early.

Well the bottom ones aren't but the others are.
Then why the hell do you even include the bottom ones?

And you're completely wrong, btw...

Wow.

6 pages in a little over an hour. I have seriously underestimated Obamania.

The same would have happened if he had posted similarly crap arguments about another candidate.

Barack Osama?

Thus the reason why I don't think he'd make it if he's the nominee and campaigns somewhere in the deep south... :sniper:

Yes, but now that leaves Hillary Clinton, the one that wants to raise taxes like their is a infinite supply of money. So voters are stuck with the "claimed racist", or the "insane #$*^@&"



And everyone should agree with this statement:

http://img.printfection.com/13/14978/JkpD9.jpg

The same would have happened if he had posted similarly crap arguments about another candidate.

hmm, you should test that theory.

hmm, you should test that theory.Ron Paul garnered quite a few.

Ron Paul garnered quite a few.

which is ironic considering how much more support Obama has in this forum than Ron Paul. It would be intesting to see if anyone would write passionate defences to an "McCain is a Rascist" Thread.

??? Your acting as if I'm defending Ron Paul. I don't care for American politicians and therefore Ron Paul. That ends part of your rant.

From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


That quote alone is proof of him being racist against white people.

If you don't care about American Politcs, why in the hell did you bring it up?

which is ironic considering how much more support Obama has in this forum than Ron Paul. It would be intesting to see if anyone would write passionate defences to an "McCain is a Rascist" Thread.You'd probably get 8 pages of "Hey, dimwit! You misspelled 'racist'!" :D

If Obama is a racist that make Hillary a Bit*%, oh wait, she already is. :p

Truth be told in that post.

which is ironic considering how much more support Obama has in this forum than Ron Paul. It would be intesting to see if anyone would write passionate defences to an "McCain is a Rascist" Thread.



You know we would...

I think Rommney's the only one no one would defend;)

And what are these so-called racial differences?

For example: If the speed limit is 30, a black person lost in a white neighborhood will drive 25; a white person lost in a black neighborhood will drive 50. (ducks)

For example: If the speed limit is 30, a black person lost in a white neighborhood will drive 25; a white person lost in a black neighborhood will drive 50. (ducks)

Yeah, and whats the deal with airplane food?;)

*snip*

source:

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_pres ident_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

Having read your alleged sources (including the article to which your link doesn't work), it is clear your alleged quotes didn't come from those Examiner articles. So that raises the question, where did these alleged quotes come from?

Regardless, even if you take your cherry-picked, altered, and garbled quotes at face value, they do not show racism on the part of Barack Obama. They show the struggles of someone that has grown up surrounded by a culture that is racially hostile.

It's causing not only jolt to throw our posts all over the place, it's making us all have to argue the exact same thing to the exact same person again and again.

No that's because the OP is a troll.

OMG I JUST INSULTED ALL NOOBS!

With you being a mod, I expected better ;)

Let's play a game! I call it "Enter these contextless quote fragments into Google and see if I can't find the paragraphs they actually come from."

Example one:

"If the language, the humor, the stories of ordinary people were the stuff out of which families, communities, economies would have to be built, then I couldn't separate that strength from the hurt and distortions that lingered around us. And it was the implications of that fact, I realized, that had most disturbed me. The stories that I had been hearing from the leadership, all the records of courage and sacrifice and overcoming of great odds, hadn't simply arisen from struggles with pestilence or drought, or mere poverty. They had arisen out of a very particular experience with hate. That hate hadn't gone away; it formed a counter-narrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people-some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives. I had to ask myself whether the bonds of community could be restored without collectively exorcising that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams."

So, in short, the clever little editor took a paragraph which said, essentially, "There is a legacy of racism in this country, and it causes problems for everyone. I question how much progress can be made as a society as long as members of both races continue to struggle with racially-based hatreds," and turned it into "I hates teh whitey!" by not only chopping out ninety-nine percent of the context, but also adding in a very significant word ("blaming") for which there was no textual support.

Heck, the same quote could be rewritten this way:

"I...had been...buried deep...and...sometimes...a...ghostly figure."

ZOMG! Barack Obama is undead!

No that's because the OP is a troll.And a racist one at that.

ZOMG! Barack Obama is undead!

Zombie Obama '08? He'll be facing stiff competition from Robot Nixon and Ninja Ike....

Zombie Obama '08? He'll be facing stiff competition from Robot Nixon and Ninja Ike....

lolz

ZOMG! Barack Obama is undead!Hm... well I can't go voting for a zombie...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Zombie-Killer-Avatar2.png

One more reason to vote green...

ZOMG! Barack Obama is undead!

I for one would welcome our undead overlords.

Equal rites! Undead power! Brahnz!!

*snip*

Wow. That's even worse out-of-context quoting than I thought.

I for one would welcome our undead overlords.

Equal rites! Undead power! Brahnz!!Hell no! Off with his head!

Read the quotes, check the sources.

Your all just ignoring it because you don't want your prime candidates name sullied.

Tell me, if it where a white man saying that about another race, would he not be racist?

ITS NOT ANOTHER RACE.

mr obama is mixed race. his father is black african; his mother is white. in the US its very difficult to grow up mixed race. his autobiography reflects that ambivilance. i didnt read the book but its quite likely that when he grew up he dealt with it.

Hell no! Off with his head!

We need to ally with the zombies to fight our real enemies, our common enemies - namely, the crabs!

I for one would welcome our undead overlords.


Hell no. You know the first thing would happen if a zombie became president? It'd try to take away our shotguns, that it would! That's a Second Amendment violation right there and a sure indication of sympathizing with the communist French Jihadist nazis!

I want BARACK! (growning)

You know the first thing would happen if a zombie became president?

Yes. He would appoint either Dick Cheney, George H.W. Bush, or Robot Nixon as vice president :p

I for one would welcome our undead overlords.

Equal rites! Undead power! Brahnz!!

"What do we want?!"

"BRAAAAINS!!!"

"When do we want it?!"

"BRAAAAINS!!!"

We need to ally with the zombies to fight our real enemies, our common enemies - namely, the crabs!Metabolism traitor! Quisling! :mad:

Yes, but now that leaves Hillary Clinton, the one that wants to raise taxes like their is a infinite supply of money. So voters are stuck with the "claimed racist", or the "insane #$*^@&"



And everyone should agree with this statement:

http://img.printfection.com/13/14978/JkpD9.jpg
Well, yeah. And that's why we vote Republican. :p

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."
Doesn't mean a damn thing


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."
WOW! Lot's of people have. My Jewish friend has and he's still Jewish. Atheists have studied the Bible AND the Qur'an.

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".
Doesn't mean anything.

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Means he won't support politics that treat them unfairly.


From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
So?

You're an idiot.

I smell a troll and he stinks real bad.

*snip*
What's your race/heritage?

He's not racist. He obviously experienced racism and that affected him.

I want BARACK! (growning)

He's not that attractive. Even with his shirt off.

He's not that attractive. Even with his shirt off.

I dunno, those ears of his... mmm...

EDIT: Oh, and I think the OP has been thoroughly pwned, with special thanks to Poliwanacraca, HotRodia, and Teh_Pantless_Hero. Are we done now?

What's your race/heritage?

He's not racist. He obviously experienced racism and that affected him.

If a white man stood up and said, "certain blacks could be excluded from the general category of our distrust" every one of you would be screaming racism (see below for the link where this quote is referenced). Since this is a black man who said, "certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust," you're all spouting off on how he's just reminiscing on the hard life he led. This is called hypocrisy.

Either both are racist or neither are racist.

Or how about this. "There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white." He was referring here to a man he was considering working for. If a white man had said that about a potential black boss, again, you would all be screaming about how very racist the white man was.

It goes both ways. Racism exists on both sides of this proverbial fence. However, I tend to agree that, at least in the past, Obama has shown racist tendencies. Whether he's outgrown them or not...well, I have my opinions, as most of you have your opinions.


http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

"What do we want?!"

"BRAAAAINS!!!"

"When do we want it?!"

"BRAAAAINS!!!"
Indeed. Few demands, and no unreasonable ones either :)

Metabolism traitor! Quisling! :mad:
Pfft! I'm just a foot soldier in the fight against life-bigotry. Unlife is just a state of mind, we should embrace our differences and coexist peacefully.

It's not bad just because it's called un-life! Necromancy is also a kind of romance! Brains for all!

Either both are racist or neither are racist.

Nonsense.

In the climate of a society dominated by white racism, accepting as a "default" that white people are prejudiced against you is a perfectly understandable defensive posture.

No such justification applies to white people.

If a white man stood up and said, "certain blacks could be excluded from the general category of our distrust" every one of you would be screaming racism (see below for the link where this quote is referenced). Since this is a black man who said, "certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust," you're all spouting off on how he's just reminiscing on the hard life he led. This is called hypocrisy.

Either both are racist or neither are racist.

Or how about this. "There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white." He was referring here to a man he was considering working for. If a white man had said that about a potential black boss, again, you would all be screaming about how very racist the white man was.

It goes both ways. Racism exists on both sides of this proverbial fence. However, I tend to agree that, at least in the past, Obama has shown racist tendencies. Whether he's outgrown them or not...well, I have my opinions, as most of you have your opinions.


http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

*runs away and looks up Obama*

And the point of this thread is...?

And the point of this thread is...?

To prove that the OP is an ignorant twit ;)

To prove that the OP is an ignorant twit ;)

Ah, okay.

*goes back to sleep*

And the point of this thread is...?

Well it seems to have started with an idiot whipping out quotes from a couple of Obama's books, then trying to spin them into racist statements even though any intelligent person could see they were not. They were just taken completely out of context.

Said OP was then completely pwned by a swarm of reasonable, intelligent posters who pointed out his ineptitude at painting Obama as a racist.

Now it seems to have drifted into self-congratulations and general sillyness.

Let's play a game! I call it "Enter these contextless quote fragments into Google and see if I can't find the paragraphs they actually come from."

Example one:

"If the language, the humor, the stories of ordinary people were the stuff out of which families, communities, economies would have to be built, then I couldn't separate that strength from the hurt and distortions that lingered around us. And it was the implications of that fact, I realized, that had most disturbed me. The stories that I had been hearing from the leadership, all the records of courage and sacrifice and overcoming of great odds, hadn't simply arisen from struggles with pestilence or drought, or mere poverty. They had arisen out of a very particular experience with hate. That hate hadn't gone away; it formed a counter-narrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people-some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives. I had to ask myself whether the bonds of community could be restored without collectively exorcising that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams."

So, in short, the clever little editor took a paragraph which said, essentially, "There is a legacy of racism in this country, and it causes problems for everyone. I question how much progress can be made as a society as long as members of both races continue to struggle with racially-based hatreds," and turned it into "I hates teh whitey!" by not only chopping out ninety-nine percent of the context, but also adding in a very significant word ("blaming") for which there was no textual support.

Heck, the same quote could be rewritten this way:

"I...had been...buried deep...and...sometimes...a...ghostly figure."

ZOMG! Barack Obama is undead!

WWWWWINNNNAAAARRRR!!!
Give the nice lady her prize!
http://possumblog.mu.nu/images/buttermilk.jpg

Well it seems to have started with an idiot whipping out quotes from a couple of Obama's books, then trying to spin them into racist statements even though any intelligent person could see they were not. They were just taken completely out of context.

Said OP was then completely pwned by a swarm of reasonable, intelligent posters who pointed out his ineptitude at painting Obama as a racist.

Now it seems to have drifted into self-congratulations and general sillyness.

Well, hey! We've had a long, hard day of troll-slaying.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6620/millertimewz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
It's Miller Time!

:D

WWWWWINNNNAAAARRRR!!!
Give the nice lady her prize!
http://possumblog.mu.nu/images/buttermilk.jpg

Aw, it's so cute! :D

*hugs prize cow*

Aw, it's so cute! :D

*hugs prize cow*

Be careful! It's a zombie cow! :eek:

http://www.breadwig.com/uploads/illustration/pantelope/breadwig.com.cow01a.gif

I do find Obama playing the race card (which kind of bugs me because he's only HALF black), but how can't one in this position? It seems very natural in a political sense, although i disagree with it. and when it comes to voters, i think a lot of black americans are brainwashed into either voting for Obama because he's mullato or Hillary because she's a woman (in the case of the black female voters) it just shows that racial division still exists and perhaps always will (even though, yes i'm not a total tart, i know there are white people who support Obama) on a general level. I'm just afraid that the polls might set a dangerous precedent in which voting is based on gender or race

but as long as the majority of voters are white then it's good;) lol

I do find Obama playing the race card (which kind of bugs me because he's only HALF black), but how can't one in this position? It seems very natural in a political sense, although i disagree with it. and when it comes to voters, i think a lot of black americans are brainwashed into either voting for Obama because he's mullato or Hillary because she's a woman (in the case of the black female voters) it just shows that racial division still exists and perhaps always will (even though, yes i'm not a total tart, i know there are white people who support Obama) on a general level. I'm just afraid that the polls might set a dangerous precedent in which voting is based on gender or race

but as long as the majority of voters are white then it's good;) lolBecause no white Americans would be brainwashed into voting only for white males...

I fully support OBAMA! (Yawn, I knew this is out of context, but as the Topic Opener has been pawned many times, I just tell the NSG community my loyalti lies!)

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".


From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



From The Audacity Of Hope, "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

source:

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_pres ident_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

ZOMG EBIL MOSLEM!!!! zOMG1 zOMG1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO-tobS1nl0

From my point of view, the black culture in North America is quite racist against white people. Note: 'culture'. As induviduals, people vary, but in that particular culture, racism against white people is not only a common theme, but also seems to be a way to gain social acceptance. By expressing your hate against the descendants your ancestor's oppressors, you solidify your place in the brotherhood of your peers.

In fact, this is not unique to black culture - most races, nationalities, societies, have some form of 'outsiders = bad' and 'outsider sympathizers = bad' mentality.

Unfortunately, a mixed black and white child would be more often percieved as black, and be pressured into proving his allegiance to the black people more strongly than a person of purer ancestry. And as susceptible children, it was probably pretty easy to be indoctrinated to be suspicious and loath of the evil white man. That some (yet a minority) of white people in North America are racist, and many more have racial preconceptions (which is NOT the same thing as racism,) only helps to concrete that impression in the mind of a young boy.

Notice that all the quotes are in past tense. It seems obvious to me that Obama is coming to terms with things that happened in the past, things that he now realizes are wrong and may still be struggling to put behind him.

I have learned that anyone who would say anything so negative about one candidate or the other lacks the ability to change their mind. You can tell me Obama is a Muslim a million times and I will know he's not. I fear for you who cannot read or listen to opinions outside of your comfort zone.

OP, go fuck yourself.