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Let me start with a good reason to avoid her:


She's a corporate whore.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/m00nbeast/artwork%20-%20funnies/corporatewhore.jpg
(http://unitedagainsthillary.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/lobbyistslovehillary.pdf)

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Lobbyists Love Hillary Clinton
But standing up for defense companies is nothing new for Hillary Clinton. She hasn’t revealed where the $2.2 billion she’s earmarked as a Senator has gone, but we do know that she’s sent weapons makers millions of dollars for projects the Pentagon hadn’t even realized it needed. Obama and Edwards rail against earmarks, claiming they lead to wasteful spending, but Hillary has voted against earmark “reform”, because she realizes how crucial earmarks are for getting tax money to the specific corporations that lobbied so hard for it. And arms company employees certainly know who’s looking out for them – they’ve given more to Hillary than to any other candidate (Democrat or Republican).

Other Democrats demonize our noble profession, just because it’s our job to influence politicians into steering tons of tax money to our employers, and they refuse to take any money from us. But Hillary has publicly declared that lobbyists “represent real Americans”. AND she hosted a very special lunch in Washington DC where security industry lobbyists who gave at least $1,000 to her campaign (or got $25,000 from friends and family) got to sit down with the actual members of Congress who sit on the committees that can send billions of tax dollars their employers… Wow Hillary, that was some tasty pork!


The lobbyists have spoken, and Clinton is our candidate: Hillary Clinton has been officially endorsed by 53 registered lobbyists – compared to 24 for the leading Republican, and 29 for all other Democrats combined! The corporations represented by these “Lobbyists for Hillary” include banking giant Citigroup, drug maker Roche (did you know that Hillary is the largest recipient of drug company $$$ in the Senate?), and the Carlyle Group, whose Bush-linked defense contractors have made billions from the Iraq War.


Counter it or add to the list. :cool:

Shes a hawk and loves the military too much. I think wed see a lot more dubbya esc wars.


Conservative talking heads like her better than McCain. Which should frighten everyone.

Let me start with a good reason to avoid her:


She's a corporate whore.

Counter it or add to the list. :cool:

Yes, she is. But aren't most other politicians also corporate whores to one degree or another?

She's nothing new. There we go.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/hillary_vader.jpg

:D

Wow, how did you come across that picture of Clinthullu in her old job? I thought she had all those destroyed...

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/hillary_vader.jpg

:D

Yes, she is. But aren't most other politicians also corporate whores to one degree or another?

Sure - but she has an opponent who isn't a corporate whore and doesn't take PAC money. Therefore, Hillary not the better choice.

*Darth Hillary*

:D

The greatest point of all

What have i got against Hillary Clinton?
Wouldn't you like to know?:D

Wow, how did you come across that picture of Clinthullu in her old job? I thought she had all those destroyed...

The Clownuminati have extensive archives. *nod*

Mann Coulter- the same Mann Coulter who considers "Democrat=Liberal=AntiAmericanFreedomHatingGayIslamofascistAtheistTraitorWhoMustBeShot"- wholeheatedly endorsed Hellary Clinthulhu over John McCain.

That's not a warning sign on its own? Do people have to wait for the planetary conjunctions to line up and R'lyeh to bob up to the top like Atlantis before everyone gets the point?

I've seen the village and I don't want them raising my children.

nuff said.

Also, her "ads" here are full of lies and poor logic and "Zomg! voat hillary or your babies will be teh dead!"

Yes, she is. But aren't most other politicians also corporate whores to one degree or another?

The word politician is synonymous with corporate whores.

In my opinion, the fact that she stayed with Bill after he cheated on her repeatedly shows a severe lack of judgement. She didn't need him then, and she definitely doesn't need him now. If anything, he's hurting her politically (and you know this is true when CNN is saying he needs to be quiet).

she stole my santa hat!

Also, her "ads" here are full of lies and poor logic and "Zomg! voat hillary or your babies will be teh dead!"

Yes, she'll eat them if you don't vote for her.

She shares a name with a brave man who climbed Mt. Everest.

Yes, she'll eat them if you don't vote for her.

That's ridiculous!

She's out of barbecue sauce. She doesn't like the taste without it.

I hate political dynasticism. I really don't want America's choices to be between Bushes and Clintons for the rest of eternity. And the distinct possibility of Sovereign Billary I of the House of Clinton doesn't strike me as pleasant. Then again, nor does the possibility of King Jeb I of the House of Bush.

That's ridiculous!

She's out of barbecue sauce. She doesn't like the taste without it.

Some babies aren't taking any chances:

http://www.shabablek.com/drimages/data/media/11/hillary_baby.jpg

She's a pro-war authoritarian. Censor this, bomb that. I'd vote for Bush for a third term over Hillary for the simple reason that we know Bush is a fascist idiot. If we elect a woman to be President, and she turns out the way Hillary will, people will be scared to elect another woman.

WHoever comes first out of the non-white and non-male crowds will have to be good. Hillary ain't it. Obama is possible, but given the choice between him and McCain, I'd flip a coin.

Uuuuh, everything comes to mind.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/hillary_vader.jpg

:D

I hate when they put the pic title in the URL.

You know, Hillary and Obama's positions are surprisingly similar -- even though you're acting as if it's Kucinich vs Pat Robertson or something.

I support Hillary, but I'd be fine if Obama was the candidate.

That's ridiculous!

She's out of barbecue sauce. She doesn't like the taste without it.

On my way to three more hours of homework, this made me pause and laugh. Thank you yet again, Pirated Corsairs.

You know, Hillary and Obama's positions are surprisingly similar

Indeed. Which makes you wonder why so many loathe her despite liking him.

Dislike her personality
Dislike her stance on freedom of speech
Dislike her stance on war
Distrust her foreign relations capability
Dislike her polarizing effect


Thats just to start

And the whole Kennedyesque haze surrounding Obama annoys me, just as much as the Kennedyesque haze surrounding Kennedy does.
But personality cults are fun!

You know, Hillary and Obama's positions are surprisingly similar -- even though you're acting as if it's Kucinich vs Pat Robertson or something.

I support Hillary, but I'd be fine if Obama was the candidate.

Finally! Someone that agrees with...I mean, knows what they're talking about.
Their positions are close enough that electability really is one of the few issues over who will be the nominee. Yes, Clinton has screwed up more than Obama, but Clinton has also had more time to screw up. And the whole Kennedyesque haze surrounding Obama annoys me, just as much as the Kennedyesque haze surrounding Kennedy does.

Cause he's likeable, and she isn't quite as much.

Yet, strangely, she led in the polls for a very long time.

And remember what happened between Kerry and Bush?

Kerry ran a horrific campaign. Clinton most likely won't.

Indeed. Which makes you wonder why so many loathe her despite liking him.

Cause he's likeable, and she isn't quite as much.

And remember what happened between Kerry and Bush?

Yet, strangely, she led in the polls for a very long time.



Name recognition is a powerful thing.


People only paid attention to her because of her last name. Notice how the more familier they become with the candidates the harder of a time she has.

Kerry ran a horrific campaign. Clinton most likely won't.Too late; she already is.

Too late; she already is.

What's your basis for that?

WHat have you got against Hillary?

She smells like lavender and cat urine.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/hillary_vader.jpg

:D

HEY! Don't disgrace the Vade like that!

:p

Don't make me bust a pie all up in here!

What's your basis for that?
Running out of money, driving Democrats to vow never to vote for her because her surrogates and campaign materials lie and mislead. The act of her campaigning loses her as many undecided voters as it gains - she's waging a zero-sum campaign, and she will conduct a zero-sum presidency if elected.

She never GOT the job, they said she was too sadistic and the whole baby-eating thing was bad for the Empires PR:p

http://hilldabeast.com/hillpics/babyeater.jpg

HEY! Don't disgrace the Vade like that!

She never GOT the job, they said she was too sadistic and the whole baby-eating thing was bad for the Empires PR:p

http://hilldabeast.com/hillpics/babyeater.jpg

I don't know whether to be amused or appalled. Can I settle for "both?" :p

http://hilldabeast.com/hillpics/babyeater.jpg

Clinton's PR: "Kiss, Hillary, kiss! Not eat, kiss! Ahh, not the head!"

http://hilldabeast.com/hillpics/dishonest.jpg
Yep.This pretty much sums it up. Hillary is a pro-censorship fool. And not the funny kind, I'm talking about the fool who can convince someone to support them. Those are the dangerous kind. The worst part is, unlike most fools, Hillary's not kidding.

Let me start with a good reason to avoid her:

She's a corporate whore.

Counter it or add to the list. :cool:
And Obama is a corporate pimp?

Contributions from Selected Industries (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F07)

Next?

She's (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8428) a (http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=10372) warmonger (http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=8515).

How the crap is this not posted yet?
http://www.stophernow.com/site/PageServer
A whole website dedicated to making sure she doesn't win the White House.
Personally, I don't dislike her or think she is the AntiChrist, but I support Obama.

And Obama is a corporate pimp?

Contributions from Selected Industries (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F07)

Next?


OK, then how about the fact that the Republicans have more on Hillary (http://www.stophernow.com/site/PageServer?pagename=clinton_files)?

And Obama is a corporate pimp?

Contributions from Selected Industries (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F07)

Next?

Or more accurately, from employees of selected industries. My Dad is a middle manager working for Exelon. Were he to give to a presidential campaign, he would be required to disclose his employer, and it would be counted as being an "Exelon" donation by your standards, even though himself and the majority of Exelon donors aren't shilling for the corporation.

The problem with Hillary is that she actually IS a corporate pimp. She's in bed with the defense industry (fits right in with her hawk-ness), her plan to expand "broadband" in America is modeled after the monopolistic corporate giveaway plan "ConnectKentucky", many of her 35 years of "experience" were as a corporate lawyer, and she she takes money from PACs and federal lobbyists, unlike Obama, which means that she actually is receiving corporate money for her campaign.

She's like Al Gore's **** wife, supporting TV and video game censorship.

She's like Al Gore's **** wife, supporting TV and video game censorship.

And on top of that, trying to outBushevik Bush in the "Let's See How Much We Can Piss Off The Rest of The World Minus Israel And Bend Over For Al'Qaeda By Invading Iran" game.

She's like Al Gore's **** wife, supporting TV and video game censorship.

Yeah. If she wins, we're gonna have to get that new video games industry PAC to pay her off so she changes that position.

I think the Hillary-hate-club should form a religion, they can get all the angry conservatives together in a room and have rousing sermons from leading speakers, they can sing praise to the GOP and throw their hate at the Democrat infidels around.

I think the Hillary-hate-club should form a religion, they can get all the angry conservatives together in a room and have rousing sermons from leading speakers, they can sing praise to the GOP and throw their hate at the Democrat infidels around.

At this point, they'd all want Hildebeast nominated because that would mobilize their bases and unite the factions quicker than 9/11.

I think the Hillary-hate-club should form a religion, they can get all the angry conservatives together in a room and have rousing sermons from leading speakers, they can sing praise to the GOP and throw their hate at the Democrat infidels around.

Your post makes me angry. I am NOT a conservative. I am a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I do NOT consider Clinton to be a liberal, because the word "liberal" means one who is committed to the cause of freedom, one who wants to liberate, to enable, to give everybody the opportunity to thrive in a free environment and participate equally in a transparent government. Hillary is not a liberal. She has demonstrated time and again through her speeches and voting record that she wants to restrict your freedom. Her politics thrives on the opacity of government, and every word that spews from her mouth is demagoguery. She views politics not as a way of improving the nation, but as a game, a means to win the loyalty of an electorate by throwing money at programs that win political points and make people worship her like a mother figure. But she will not change the way politics is done, because without the system of back-room bargaining and triangulating with lobbyists and corrupt politicians, she would collapse.

She was more principled as a Goldwater Girl.

At this point, they'd all want Hildebeast nominated because that would mobilize their bases and unite the factions quicker than 9/11.
That maybe true, but in the end just like Bill, Hillary knows how to combat the Republicans, she knows how to get under their skin, to blast them and to answer any attack they know at her, on the other hand Obama with his naive 'unite' message would get thoroughly trounced because he won't be able to defend himself from such attacks (especially the war patriotism stuff). At the end of the day the Democrats must win the Presidential race, and that means beating the Republicans. Naive people can talk about 'uniting the parties' etc, but that's a joke, the country is divided and trying the 'unite' card will meet a solid wall of partisan cynicism.

At the end of the day, Hillary can take the fight to the Republicans and her speeches etc can beat them at any turn, just like Bill Clinton could (and still can).

Your post makes me angry. I am NOT a conservative. I am a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I do NOT consider Clinton to be a liberal, because the word "liberal" means one who is committed to the cause of freedom, one who wants to liberate, to enable, to give everybody the opportunity to thrive in a free environment and participate equally in a transparent government. Hillary is not a liberal. She has demonstrated time and again through her speeches and voting record that she wants to restrict your freedom. Her politics thrives on the opacity of government, and every word that spews from her mouth is demagoguery. She views politics not as a way of improving the nation, but as a game, a means to win the loyalty of an electorate by throwing money at programs that win political points and make people worship her like a mother figure. But she will not change the way politics is done, because without the system of back-room bargaining and triangulating with lobbyists and corrupt politicians, she would collapse.

She was more principled as a Goldwater Girl.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but your post is filled with unsourced and angry hateful words and speculation based on nothing but a cultural partisan hatred. You show the same irrational fanactical hate as the rest of the Hillary-hate-club.

That maybe true, but in the end just like Bill, Hillary knows how to combat the Republicans
Bill didn't combat the Republicans, he compromised with them. Hillary has never had to combat any real conservatives in any real numbers because she's a Senator from freakin New York.

, she knows how to get under their skin,That's not a good thing - it loses her votes.

to blast them and to answer any attack they know at her,
She had better because the Republicans will be able to throw at her everything they threw at Kerry in '04 and a zillion scandals on top of that.

on the other hand Obama with his naive 'unite' message would get thoroughly trounced because he won't be able to defend himself from such attacks (especially the war patriotism stuff).Seriously? You think flip-flop Hillary is going to be stronger against a McCain? Obama's done a decent enough job deflecting Hillary camp's Rovian-style tactics so far (see the anti-woman pamphlets in NH and the voter suppression in NV)

At the end of the day the Democrats must win the Presidential race, and that means beating the Republicans.
Not if it means becoming like them they shouldn't. McCain may be wrong on most of the issues, but he has a hell of a lot more integrity than Hillary, even if he did sell-out to the conservatives. I'll have to think long and hard about who I'm going to vote for in the fall if Clinton's the nominee.
Naive people can talk about 'uniting the parties' etc, but that's a joke, the country is divided and trying the 'unite' card will meet a solid wall of partisan cynicism.
From people like YOU. Republicans are already jumping ship. Here in Juneau, Alaska we had 1,200 people turn out to a Democratic caucus in a city with only 30,000 people, and there probably would have been more had the place not been packed several times beyond capacity and had there not been a below 0 degrees F wind chill and not nearly enough parking. As somebody who stood behind an Obama table and pointed people in the right direction, I can tell you that there were a LOT of Republicans showing up and changing their registration because they know that he's the only one who is working to bring accountability and transparency to government. Obama may not unite the entire country, but he'll win over a significant portion.

At the end of the day, Hillary can take the fight to the Republicans and her speeches etc can beat them at any turn, just like Bill Clinton could (and still can).Get real. An election isn't a fight - it's a popularity contest, and the president will need to have support to push their agenda. Bill Clinton knew how to make people like him. Hillary does not.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but your post is filled with unsourced and angry hateful words and speculation based on nothing but a cultural partisan hatred. You show the same irrational fanactical hate as the rest of the Hillary-hate-club.I am angry, yes - mostly at you :upyours: for implying that Clinton is the embodiment of liberalism and people who hate her are only conservatives. For sources, please refer to Hillary's record and previous posts in this thread. I'm not sure how I'm being partisan, because we're in the same party. Maybe she doesn't belong in my party. Cultural? Maybe if you consider honesty and respect for the electorate to be cultural values. Polls indicate that the Hate Hillary Club consists of approximately half the nation.

And Obama is a corporate pimp?

Contributions from Selected Industries (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F07)

Next?

So, your source shows Hillary getting much more money from most industries, including tobacco, oil and gas, and casinos. She also has 10x as much money from lobbyists.

The numbers also include large contributions from individuals in given industries, so the numbers don't directly follow actual corporate contributions, but Hillary's lead in most industries suggests that she's getting significantly more corporate money.

Where does Obama surpass her in contributions? People in areas like education and retirement, where individual contributions are likely to be the most significant proportions of the money.

It's also interesting to note that Clinton has received more money from the defense industry than any other candidate, while Obama has received much more money from actual military members than Clinton. I wonder who the military would like to see as CIC?

I'm really not sure what you were trying to prove with this link, CH.

That maybe true, but in the end just like Bill, Hillary knows how to combat the Republicans, she knows how to get under their skin, to blast them and to answer any attack they know at her, on the other hand Obama with his naive 'unite' message would get thoroughly trounced because he won't be able to defend himself from such attacks (especially the war patriotism stuff). At the end of the day the Democrats must win the Presidential race, and that means beating the Republicans. Naive people can talk about 'uniting the parties' etc, but that's a joke, the country is divided and trying the 'unite' card will meet a solid wall of partisan cynicism.

At the end of the day, Hillary can take the fight to the Republicans and her speeches etc can beat them at any turn, just like Bill Clinton could (and still can).

The whole "Get a Democrat in at any cost" mentality doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's because I'm an Independent, but I don't really see how alienating chunks of the population helps much. If the Democrats are going to employ the same types of political tactics as Bush, why should I vote for them? More of the same doesn't really appeal to me.

WHat have you got against Hillary?nothing really.

But If the socalled SuperDelegates (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549147) negate the democratic vote in the Primaries, then yes I would -very much- have something against her... and against the Democratic Party.

She's (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8428) a (http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=10372) warmonger (http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=8515).

Still waiting for your "rebuttal," CH.

What don't I?

Bill Clinton knew how to make people like him. Hillary does not.
Well, Bill's still going to be there. Do you expect him to stay at home and bake cookies?

Yes, she is. But aren't most other politicians also corporate whores to one degree or another?
the "most politicians" crap is getting a little bit old. yes most are, but she is trying to be far more than most politicians she's going for the presidential office.

I just don't find her very likable as a person. I don't feel she's genuine or sincere, and it just seems like she tries to be everything for everyone. She also has too much baggage, but that's just my own opinion.

*agrees*

IF she gets elected, there will be two chairs behind the president's desk, one for her, one for Billy, possibily three, depending on the intern

I just don't find her very likable as a person. I don't feel she's genuine or sincere, and it just seems like she tries to be everything for everyone. She also has too much baggage, but that's just my own opinion.

As a side note, I'm about as liberal as they come, and would vote for her if she's nominated, but I just don't think she'd be as good a president as Obama.

she is power hungry and ugly and will problerly act like this if she becomes president:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/z/c/1/hillary_queen_usa.jpg

:D

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2003/BabyPunch.jpg

Come on little guy, you can do it! Smack the b....! :D

so do us a favor Hillary and GO AWAY:D

She is a cold hearted lying bitch who cares only about herself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/Clintonism.jpg

Shes a hawk and loves the military too much. I think wed see a lot more dubbya esc wars.


Conservative talking heads like her better than McCain. Which should frighten everyone.

I beg to differ. The bitch loaths the military and sees them as nothing more than servants.

the "most politicians" crap is getting a little bit old. yes most are, but she is trying to be far more than most politicians she's going for the presidential office.

The "most politicians" crap is getting very old. I'm not interested in having more of the same, personally. But we had better keep in mind that politicians being corporate whores is an endemic problem, and doesn't just apply to people like Hillary.

The Clownuminati have extensive archives. *nod*

that could be a thread in itself

i used to like hillary back at the monica gate thing, if i could vote, i would vote for barrack, cus his daddy is muslim ;)

The "most politicians" crap is getting very old. I'm not interested in having more of the same, personally. But we had better keep in mind that politicians being corporate whores is an endemic problem, and doesn't just apply to people like Hillary.

The short answer is term limits.

she is power hungry and ugly...

Her eyes are as beautiful as your genital soul. I hope you keep that in mind. *Nods*

The short answer is term limits.
Which the President is already has, no?

The short answer is term limits.

For whom? Senators? Governors?

I beg to differ. The bitch loaths the military and sees them as nothing more than servants.

I guess its my mistake, she doesnt love the military as in care about them, what I meant was she loves buying guns and making splodies.


Her not seeing soldiers as important just makes her all the more willing to invade other countries.

For whom? Senators? Governors?

Senators, Congressmen, and Judges. Yes, I know that would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Senators, Congressmen, and Judges. Yes, I know that would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Wow. Good luck with that. I'll probably support it, if it's proposed.