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I've been hearing talks about an Obama and Clinton dream ticket for awhile now, even more tonight because apparently Clinton is winning Super Tuesday. However, they will not be on a ticket together, Obama won't pick Hillary and Hillary won't pick Obama. I will now list the reason why.

Why Hillary won't pick Obama
Obama is a Charismatic young speaker who can connect with the audience better than she can and he even has Republicans listening to him. Obama will just outshine Hillary and she won't have that. She doesn't care if it will help her win the White House, she is a very competitive and power hungry woman who doesn't want to share her toy with anyone. Especially not someone who will take care of it better than her.

Why Obama won't pick Hillary

Hillary, like I said is a power hungry woman and her and Bill still work together. Even if she does decide to accept the VP slot, she will lock Obama out and try to run the office with herself, Bill, and the Clinton team. Obama will be outside looking in. That if she accepts the VP slot because I doubt she will. She is already in her 60s and if Obama gets two terms she'll be in her late 60s, early 70s before she'll get another chance at the Presidency. She wants the Presidency and she wants it now. Beside I can't see her playing second fiddle to anyone.

There won't be an Obama/Clinton dream ticket!

Dream ticket? More like nightmare ticket.

Although your reasoning as to why seems sound

Dream ticket? More like nightmare ticket.

Although your reasoning as to why seems sound

Thank ya. Yea, to actually pair up Obama and Hillary. Obama would pull on her pig tails and Hillary would toss his toys out the windows.

Good. Then McCain can pick Obama for VP and give Rush Limbaugh a heart attack.

That'll be fun to see. :D

Good. Then McCain can pick Obama for VP and give Rush Limbaugh a heart attack.

That would be great.

Well, I agree with your conclusions, if not the reasoning. Hillary may not like being upstaged, but I don't think she'd sink herself over it - she won't pick Obama, but not because he's so dazzling - in fact, his speeches for all their big themes and buzzwords haven't resonated with voters the way some would have you think. The usual reaction to an Obama speech is "that sounded good, but what the hell did he say?" :p The VP slot is not terribly important unless the title candidate has some significant defect, which neither necessarily do. The GOP VP pick might be more important given Mac's supposed shortcomings with evangelicals and hardliners, but that's not the topic of course. ;)

Also, you're aware of how little power a VP ordinarily has, yes? Obama wouldn't snub Hillary over fears that she and Bill would dominate him from the sidelines - she couldn't conceivably do it. :p

Good. Then McCain can pick Obama for VP and give Rush Limbaugh a heart attack.

The idea that Clinton is some sort of power-hungry witch determined to gain power for her own witch agenda is getting very, very tired.

She's not stupid.

Whether or not she offers the VP position to Obama depends very much on his reply, which they will ascertain before asking.

I suspect she will, and I suspect he will gracefully decline, leaving her to pick some non-descript person.

I also suspect that Obama will have no problems offering her the VP position but I suspect she will ask that he doesn't so she's not put in the position of having to turn it down.

She has smart ideas, a smart platform and her policies are intelligent and well-thought out. They may not be right but they're not the result of power at any cost.

It's just the demonising of her among some people is so, sooooo boring.

I've been hearing talks about an Obama and Clinton dream ticket for awhile now, even more tonight because apparently Clinton is winning Super Tuesday. However, they will not be on a ticket together, Obama won't pick Hillary and Hillary won't pick Obama. I will now list the reason why.

Why Hillary won't pick Obama
Obama is a Charismatic young speaker who can connect with the audience better than she can and he even has Republicans listening to him. Obama will just outshine Hillary and she won't have that. She doesn't care if it will help her win the White House, she is a very competitive and power hungry woman who doesn't want to share her toy with anyone. Especially not someone who will take care of it better than her.

Why Obama won't pick Hillary

Hillary, like I said is a power hungry woman and her and Bill still work together. Even if she does decide to accept the VP slot, she will lock Obama out and try to run the office with herself, Bill, and the Clinton team. Obama will be outside looking in. That if she accepts the VP slot because I doubt she will. She is already in her 60s and if Obama gets two terms she'll be in her late 60s, early 70s before she'll get another chance at the Presidency. She wants the Presidency and she wants it now. Beside I can't see her playing second fiddle to anyone.

So what do you expect, Hillary/Edwards or Obama/Edwards?

So what do you expect, Hillary/Edwards or Obama/Edwards?

I think for Obama, yea I could see him picking Edwards.

For Hillary, I don't know. It'd have to be someone who knows his or her "place" and stay out of the lime light and who is basically whipped. :D

I think for Obama, yea I could see him picking Edwards.

For Hillary, I don't know. It'd have to be someone who knows his or her "place" and stay out of the lime light and who is basically whipped. :D

Edwards would do that...

Well Cheney seems to have significantly raised the bar for Vice Presidential power...

Maybe Ryan Seacrest for Hillary VP? I'm Kidding, hehe. Still funny though.

I think for Obama, yea I could see him picking Edwards.
Not to sound racist, but practically having a white face in the campaign might actually be beneficial to the Democrat side.


For Hillary, I don't know. It'd have to be someone who knows his or her "place" and stay out of the lime light and who is basically whipped. :D
Well Cheney seems to have significantly raised the bar for Vice Presidential power...

The VP slot is not terribly important unless the title candidate has some significant defect, which neither necessarily do.

Um... except that Hillary does. Her defect is that she is Hillary Clinton.

Um... except that Hillary does. Her defect is that she is Hillary Clinton.

Well yes - I mean, beyond that. :p

Having both of them on the ticket in any combination would probably be disastrous for the Democrats as this much of a shakeup to the status quo a woman and black man on the ticket would more than likely scare off middle America and be more inclined to vote for McCain with Ron Paul as VP (Sorry a deliberate flame with that Ron Paul quip just ignore it)

true enough, the two top contenders for either party, have almost never, i can't think of a single instance, where the winner pict #2 to be their #2.

it will almost certainly be hillary-edwards, or obama-pick one; kussenich, gravel, edwards, or someone we've never heard of.

either of which will be good. edwards still has an excellent chance of becoming either of their vp's. and that would bring their slates the balance they need, and also the energy, transportation, environment, civil well being and so on. though both of the major candidates, hillary and obama, and obama more then hillary, have also expressed some intrest and concern with these issues as well.

we've seen a trend of vice presidents actually running things behind the scenes, well at least for the last 8 years, i mean, did shrubery ever sound like he even knew what was going on, let alone in charge of it?

obama i think would be different, but either of them WILL rely heavily on their vp when they get in. so i am kind of anxious to see who they will pick.

it looks like its going to be a brokered convention for the dems, at this point in time, a little after midnight, super duper tuesday night, and as if i had the slightest idea what i'm talking about. but i think mike thornton and some of the others i've been listning to do, and this is what they have been saying.

which boils down to, again if i have this anywhere near right, a very good chance of getting edwards, or even dennis the kussenich or rick the gravell, in that all important number two slot.

mccain seems to have it all sewed up for the replicants, and my guess would be generalisimo mccain will salute one buck huck into his partys number two position.

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And if Hellary Clinthulhu winds up as the candidate, that's pretty much another four years of Republican White House. At that point people well as might vote for Bush a third time.

If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, we will have at least another four years of Republican Presidency. It's looking very strongly like McCain now, he has more delegates than Romney and Huckabee combined.

Zogby polled that 50% of all voters would *never* vote for Hillary, while only 36% would never vote for Barack Obama. And yet she's ahead in California by 14 points. It's been wavering between 11 and 15% all night but via the various websites I've been monitoring — the Sect'y of State, CNN, SFGate, MSNBC, LA Times — they can't seem to agree. For instance, the other polls showed that Obama took San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Sonoma, Mendocino and Siskyou, but LA Times didn't record those and that map was updated every two minutes. It only showed that he'd won San Francisco, Marin, El Dorado and Mendocino Counties.

We're still fired up and ready to go. I hosted a primaries-watch party and we pulled in $275 in campaign contributions, and we're looking ahead to the Washington and Louisiana races.

And if Hellary Clinthulhu winds up as the candidate, that's pretty much another four years of Republican White House. At that point people well as might vote for Bush a third time.

That's the spirit! :)

That's the spirit! :)

I guess Busheviks haven't quite gone extinct after all.

I guess Busheviks haven't quite gone extinct after all.

Far from it, sadly.

Edit: I don't want the Busheviks themselves to go extinct, just Bushevism itself.

Edwards would do that...

He certainly did while running with Kerry. He acted like he couldn't string a sentence together that didn't start with "John Kerry thinks..."

He certainly did while running with Kerry. He acted like he couldn't string a sentence together that didn't start with "John Kerry thinks..."

lolz

The idea that Clinton is some sort of power-hungry witch determined to gain power for her own witch agenda is getting very, very tired.

Hearing anything about any of these people "is getting very, very tired."

She's not stupid.

True.

Whether or not she offers the VP position to Obama depends very much on his reply, which they will ascertain before asking.

Aye.

I suspect she will, and I suspect he will gracefully decline, leaving her to pick some non-descript person.


If his reply is already ascertained.

I also suspect that Obama will have no problems offering her the VP position but I suspect she will ask that he doesn't so she's not put in the position of having to turn it down.

Could be.

She has smart ideas, a smart platform and her policies are intelligent and well-thought out. They may not be right but they're not the result of power at any cost.

Limiting visitations to Cuba is well though-out? :confused:

It's just the demonising of her among some people is so, sooooo boring.

Nearly as boring as the "demonising" of Bush.

If Hillary won the nomination (dog forbid!) and seriously offered it to him, Obama would be an utter fool to accept, as doing so would likely spoil his chances against incumbent McCain in 2012.

And it'd be foolish to the point of damnable idiocy for Obama to seriously offer it to her, as it could well sink what would otherwise be a sure thing.

Good. Then McCain can pick Obama for VP and give Rush Limbaugh a heart attack.

A winning mixed ticket, especially against Billary.

The idea that Clinton is some sort of power-hungry witch determined to gain power for her own witch agenda is getting very, very tired.

She's not stupid.

Whether or not she offers the VP position to Obama depends very much on his reply, which they will ascertain before asking.

I suspect she will, and I suspect he will gracefully decline, leaving her to pick some non-descript person.

I also suspect that Obama will have no problems offering her the VP position but I suspect she will ask that he doesn't so she's not put in the position of having to turn it down.

She has smart ideas, a smart platform and her policies are intelligent and well-thought out. They may not be right but they're not the result of power at any cost.

It's just the demonising of her among some people is so, sooooo boring.

She is indeed not stupid. But she's justly demonized. The US does NOT need a continuation of the idiotic boomer driven Clinton/Bush years.

I think If or when Hillary gets the democratic nomination for President, since Obama is the only other candidate left standing with a decent amount of delegates at that, there is going to be alot of presure at the democratic convention for Hillary to offer Obama the Vice Presidential nomination.

Under those conditions can she afford not to offer Obama the Vice spot?

How will the African American community react if she does not offer Obama the Vice Spot after Obama has come so close to winning the Presidential nomination?

If Obama were to win the democratic nomination for President should he offer the Vice Spot to Hillary? Should Hillary accept the Vice Spot?

I understand many of you have already made coments on an Obama - Hillary ticket.

If John Mcain gets the republican nomination for President the most logical choice seems to be to offfer the Vice spot to Mike Huckabee.

If Hillary won the nomination (dog forbid!) and seriously offered it to him, Obama would be an utter fool to accept, as doing so would likely spoil his chances against incumbent McCain in 2012.

And it'd be foolish to the point of damnable idiocy for Obama to seriously offer it to her, as it could well sink what would otherwise be a sure thing.
Obama cannot possibly win without some help from Hillary, either as his Veep or convincing her to help unite the party.

On the other hand, I think Hillary could quite easily win without Obama as her Veep, but more likely to win if he was.

Note: this over stated bashing of Hillary by Obama supporters does not bode well for Democrats.

Note: this over stated bashing of Hillary by Obama supporters does not bode well for Democrats.

If anything, she's not being bashed enough.

i don't think a hillary presidency would be the end of the world, just not a sufficiently signifigant departure from the ruel of the corporatocracy. which neither would any the replicans be, even the looniest of their holy roller pretentions.

i WOULD RATHER see obama as number one though. and with environmental edwards as his vip, or kusenich as anti-assination insurance, as in, i don't think the right wing loonies nor the corporate mafia (is there a difference?) would be as quick to off obama if they knew they'd have to face kussenich taking his place.

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true enough, the two top contenders for either party, have almost never, i can't think of a single instance, where the winner pict #2 to be their #2.
How about JFK and LBJ? Johnson lost out to Kennedy and only retired when Kennedy offered him the veep spot.

If the convention is contested, they might have to resort to doing so just so they don't have a riot on one side or the other.

i WOULD RATHER see obama as number one though. and with environmental edwards as his vip, or kusenich as anti-assination insurance, as in, i don't think the right wing loonies nor the corporate mafia (is there a difference?) would be as quick to off obama if they knew they'd have to face kussenich taking his place.

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I agree with Kucinich on very few issues, but I will readily admit that I admire his strong, consistent, and principled stand against the Iraq War and the (possible) war with Iran.

lets try something new and vote Ron Paul, WWII ended a long time ago.

lets try something new and vote Ron Paul, WWII ended a long time ago.

Vote for Ron Paul? The Civil Rights Struggles ended a long time ago.