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GENEVA (AFX) - Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.

The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity.

'They are no longer trying to duck this and have respected their obligation to inform the UN,' the Committee member said.


Linkage (http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html)

I think this is a good thing. What say you, NSG? (I thought there'd be miles of threadage on this)

In before war crimes apologists.

Phrases I never thought I'd say:

"I'm glad the USA has admitted to torturing people."

About time.
I wonder if they're ready to admit that the US could be more democratic, in regards to electoral system.
I really want a pancake now, so hungry think i'll fry some mushrooms semlor.

I wonder how America will be taking its economic sanctions now?

dammit its no fun when the security council is naughty :(

In before war crimes apologists.

Indeed.

Never thought I'd see this, lol.

But....Bush said America does not torture. Those were his exact words! You mean Bush....lied?!?
Obviously he was misinformed by reports coming from the detention centres. It will probably be attributed to a rogue officer or 10 issuing orders against the chain of command, and everyone will be happy because a few scapegoats will have been offered up in spite of the fact that we haven't actually dealt with the problem of these detention centres at all.

Still, at least it's a step in the right direction, eh?

But....Bush said America does not torture. Those were his exact words! You mean Bush....lied?!?

:eek:
WHAT?!
Nah...that's not possible...not from our Glorious Leader!

But it's okay. He talked to god, and God told him to torture people and then lie about it.

But....Bush said America does not torture. Those were his exact words! You mean Bush....lied?!?
:eek:
WHAT?!
Nah...that's not possible...not from our Glorious Leader!

But it's okay. He talked to god, and God told him to torture people and then lie about it.



And of course God told him to lie about it too.


Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, unless theyre non-Christians or a homosexual, in which case purge the heretics of their sins through pain.

Meh. The term 'torture' has been bent and warped out of recognition. Oh no, some terrorists were called bad names....TORTURE!



















Ugh, even saying it tongue in cheek makes me feel like I've lost major IQ points.

Meh. The term 'torture' has been bent and warped out of recognition. Oh no, some terrorists were called bad names....TORTURE!

Ugh, even saying it tongue in cheek makes me feel like I've lost major IQ points.

Simulating drowning and the stuff that happened at Abu Grahb Im pretty sure we can all agree is torture, even if the neocons and Bush supporters think the first isnt torture (never mind that we executed Japanese Officers after WWII for waterboarding American soldiers...but thats different because it happened to Americans).

That's good I guess? Better than lying about it I suppose. It would have been better not to torture in the first place.

Am I the only one who noticed the date on this?

06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

Or does Geneva run by a different dating system than most of the world?

Old news.

Linkage (http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html)

I think this is a good thing. What say you, NSG? (I thought there'd be miles of threadage on this)

This is a good thing like a rape confession is a good thing. By which I mean, a good thing in the "I may be a heinous criminal, but I'll be honest about it" sense of "good thing".

Am I the only one who noticed the date on this?

06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

Or does Geneva run by a different dating system than most of the world?

Old news.

No, you're right. Unless there is a mistake at Forbes.com, this story is a little old. Which means...the US has admitted to torture and still hasn't stopped. Oh well, at least you can't accuse the government of hypocricy.

No, you're right. Unless there is a mistake at Forbes.com, this story is a little old. Which means...the US has admitted to torture and still hasn't stopped. Oh well, at least you can't accuse the government of hypocricy.



Considering Bush said in his State of the Union Adress last week that "America Does Not Torture", yes, you still can.

SNIP

never question the Swiss when it comes to time ;)

This is a good thing like a rape confession is a good thing. By which I mean, a good thing in the "I may be a heinous criminal, but I'll be honest about it" sense of "good thing".

I understand that.

No, you're right. Unless there is a mistake at Forbes.com, this story is a little old. Which means...the US has admitted to torture and still hasn't stopped. Oh well, at least you can't accuse the government of hypocricy.

Wait...shit, my bad. (Slaps self)

(I thought there'd be miles of threadage on this)

It's only cool to say bad things about America.
When it does something that can be considered good there is just no point in discussing it.
*kicks you out of the Ameri-hate club*

Though I would say this is only a good thing if the torturing and such actually stops now.

Linkage (http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html)

I think this is a good thing. What say you, NSG? (I thought there'd be miles of threadage on this)


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AFX News Limited
US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq, Afghanistan - UN
06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

The Committee, which monitors respect for the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, is gathering information from the US ahead of hearings in May 2006.

Err... This is two and a half years old.

When I was growing up, it wasn't called "waterboarding", it was called "the Chinese water torture". I don't know why it was blamed on the Chinese, when the Japanese were most famous for it (maybe the Chinese invented it and still hold the patent?), but it was used in phrases like "Well I didn't expect to get the Chinese water torture for it", sort of like the British "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition."

"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition."

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
our cheif weapon is surprise, fear and surprise... our two weapons are fear and surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to.. our THREE weapons are fear, surprise, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope and these nice red...

I'll come in again...

This is a Surprise?

Fucking ballsless Canadian government! You knew this shit was happening then you got all fucking apologist when the US got made that you called them out. Way to make us look like fucking Poland.

Am I the only one who noticed the date on this?

06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

Or does Geneva run by a different dating system than most of the world?

Old news.

Lol, good catch. However you realize that you were probably the first to open the link to actually read the story. These others should have caught the date as it was very obvious.

Lol, good catch. However you realize that you were probably the first to open the link to actually read the story. These others should have caught the date as it was very obvious.

I'll confess.
I didn't even put my cursor over the link.

I'll confess.
I didn't even put my cursor over the link.

Lazy ass.


I do the same thing all the time.

Lazy ass.


I do the same thing all the time.

Must be instinct. Perhaps if people put words that draw people's attention in links. Such as:
SexySource (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=to+link+to+something+mundane%2C+yet+draw+people%27s+attention&meta=)

Linksexnow (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=to+link+to+something+mundane%2C+yet+draw+people%27s+attention&meta=)

Sexclickage (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=to+link+to+something+mundane%2C+yet+draw+people%27s+attention&meta=)

So, whos gonna put money on Bush and Cheney getting tried for warcrimes ? ;)

You US citizens are gonna have to geta new anthem, "home of the free, land of the brave" just isnt correct anymore. Maybe something along the lines of:"We torture, rape and murder, FOR DEMOCRACY, Biatch", you could get 50cent to sing it. :)

But it's okay. He talked to god, and God told him to torture people and then lie about it.

He thought he heard God. Generally, people who hear voices from the unseen end up on a psychiatrist's couch. In this case, they end up in the Oval Office.

Anyone who accepts a claim made by "Unnamed UN Source" as Gospel Truth is far less intelligent than George Bush.


I need more.

Simulating drowning and the stuff that happened at Abu Grahb Im pretty sure we can all agree is torture, even if the neocons and Bush supporters think the first isnt torture (never mind that we executed Japanese Officers after WWII for waterboarding American soldiers...but thats different because it happened to Americans).

Also different because it never happened. The punishment handed down was for systematic abuse including beatings and waterboardings, and did not include executions *for that*. There were Japanese prison officers executed- but in each case you'll note that prisoners DIED, and were beaten-real torture, causing real injury, not just the simulated stuff that causes temporary fear and discomfort, much like reading the posts here.

None of the hypocrits who claim waterboarding is torture would ever pass it up, ever, if given the choice between "torture, American style" and "torture, Saddam Hussein style". So maybe if torture includes waterboarding, we can just say, enough already, torture includes ANY form of discomfort, so it's no big deal, let's concentrate on the real abuses like faces scarred with acid, removal of fingers with bolt cutters, electric shocks, etc. Then we can coin a new word that includes real injury, but excludes BS.

Also different because it never happened. The punishment handed down was for systematic abuse including beatings and waterboardings, and did not include executions *for that*. There were Japanese prison officers executed- but in each case you'll note that prisoners DIED, and were beaten-real torture, causing real injury, not just the simulated stuff that causes temporary fear and discomfort, much like reading the posts here.

None of the hypocrits who claim waterboarding is torture would ever pass it up, ever, if given the choice between "torture, American style" and "torture, Saddam Hussein style". So maybe if torture includes waterboarding, we can just say, enough already, torture includes ANY form of discomfort, so it's no big deal, let's concentrate on the real abuses like faces scarred with acid, removal of fingers with bolt cutters, electric shocks, etc. Then we can coin a new word that includes real injury, but excludes BS.


Personally I would prefer not to be tortured by anybody. What exactly do you see as different between electrocuting someone to cause pain and unconsciousness or drowning them to cause pain and unconsciousness? Perhaps you are the one being a hypocrite claiming it is somehow different.

Err... This is two and a half years old.

I heard, unfortunately.

It's only cool to say bad things about America.
When it does something that can be considered good there is just no point in discussing it.
*kicks you out of the Ameri-hate club*

Though I would say this is only a good thing if the torturing and such actually stops now.

Yeah. (Wasn't in Ameri-hate club in first place)

It wouldn't bother me if these men were given a fair trial and convicted of murder or conspiracy to commit murder or what not, but they didn't get a trial.

They probably weren't even read their rights, which are like, unalienable isn't it?

Imagine that! :rolleyes:

When I was growing up, it wasn't called "waterboarding", it was called "the Chinese water torture".

I thought Chinese Water torture was when they dripped water on your forehead until the steady drip . . . drip drove you bug shit.