NationStates Jolt Archive


Did you make your bed this morning?

Chandelier
04-02-2008, 22:49
Well, did you make your bed this morning?

I do every day, because I have this stuffed-animal rabbit named April, and if I don't make my bed she doesn't look as comfortable to me.
Euadnam
04-02-2008, 22:50
Nope. Nor will I ever. What's the point?
Soviestan
04-02-2008, 22:55
Yes of course. I make it every morning, I can't leave the flat if I don't.
Agerias
04-02-2008, 22:55
No, mom, I didn't!

I'll do it once I'm done playing! :p
I V Stalin
04-02-2008, 23:00
No, because I'm a lazy sonofabitch. Plus I just don't see the point.
Hachihyaku
04-02-2008, 23:03
I do everyday and I'm male.
Mad hatters in jeans
04-02-2008, 23:03
When you say make your bed, do you mean tidying it up a bit before leaving it. Or do you mean making sure it's all flat and tidy likes?
Hachihyaku
04-02-2008, 23:03
Whoops meant to vote yes...
Cannot think of a name
04-02-2008, 23:04
I hardly ever even make it into a bed (I sleep on a futon), and my 'bedding' is really just a blanket.
Maraque
04-02-2008, 23:06
I sleep on a futon so I just have two pillows and a sheet.
Chandelier
04-02-2008, 23:07
When you say make your bed, do you mean tidying it up a bit before leaving it. Or do you mean making sure it's all flat and tidy likes?

Just tidying it up a bit, I guess, but if you make sure that it's flat and tidy then that counts, too...mine definitely wasn't all flat and tidy, but it is tidy when compared to the rest of my room. Although I can't be sure if the condition I see it in now is the same as when I left, since I have cats who like to sleep on it.
Neesika
04-02-2008, 23:08
Well, did you make your bed this morning?

I do every day, because I have this stuffed-animal rabbit named April, and if I don't make my bed she doesn't look as comfortable to me.

I could understand if it didn't seem aesthetically pleasing for your stuffed rabbit to be on an unmade bed...but imbuing the stuffy with life-like qualities and commenting on its comfort?
Khadgar
04-02-2008, 23:09
No, never have, unless you count putting clean sheets on. I have a dog who sleeps on my bed during the day, so making the bed is a pointless exercise. She'd just have all the bedding knotted up into a nest and sleep on it anyway.
Smunkeeville
04-02-2008, 23:11
I was made to as a child, wasn't allowed to even pee in the morning until it was done.....I think it's a load of BS

I don't make my bed. Ever.

I don't make my children make their beds either.
Chandelier
04-02-2008, 23:13
I could understand if it didn't seem aesthetically pleasing for your stuffed rabbit to be on an unmade bed...but imbuing the stuffy with life-like qualities and commenting on its comfort?

It reminds me of my grandma though, I miss her... :( April's been with me since I was little.
Mad hatters in jeans
04-02-2008, 23:14
Just tidying it up a bit, I guess, but if you make sure that it's flat and tidy then that counts, too...mine definitely wasn't all flat and tidy, but it is tidy when compared to the rest of my room. Although I can't be sure if the condition I see it in now is the same as when I left, since I have cats who like to sleep on it.

Oh right, well i sort of do if i have time, but if i'm in a rush i don't bother, dunno why i suppose it's a ritual i have. so yeah i guess i do, can't stand a stinky bed.
Llewdor
04-02-2008, 23:14
I don't think I've ever made my bed in the morning.

I sometimes make the bed before bed so I don't have to wrestle with the blankets as much after I'm in there, but never in the morning.
ColaDrinkers
04-02-2008, 23:16
I was told once when I was a kid that you shouldn't make the bed right away because this would trap heat and moisture inside and that this would help the wildlife living in your bed to multiply. Nowadays I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I believed it back then. I stopped doing my bed and instead moved the blanket to the side of the bed, and I still do the same today.

Of course, it's easier too, and it's not like anyone else is ever going to see my bed, so it doesn't really matter how it looks.
Infinite Revolution
04-02-2008, 23:19
no, and it has all kinds of crap on it that couldn't fit on the floor. fortunately it's a double so i can sleep on the other side.
HotRodia
04-02-2008, 23:29
No. I made my bed this afternoon, simply to be contrary.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
04-02-2008, 23:30
I was told once when I was a kid that you shouldn't make the bed right away because this would trap heat and moisture inside and that this would help the wildlife living in your bed to multiply. Nowadays I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I believed it back then. I stopped doing my bed and instead moved the blanket to the side of the bed, and I still do the same today.

Of course, it's easier too, and it's not like anyone else is ever going to see my bed, so it doesn't really matter how it looks.

It's true. Thankfully.
The Infinite Dunes
04-02-2008, 23:36
I ocassionally make my bed, but is only because I've run out of floor space and I need some temporary flat space where I can stack stuff into piles to help me sort before I put it all back on the floor in towering stacks of sorted items.
Bann-ed
04-02-2008, 23:38
If this was my house, probably not. I mean.. I'm just going to get back into it at night anyway, why bother pulling the sheets and whatnot symetrically over the bed?
Anti-Social Darwinism
04-02-2008, 23:39
Since I'm changing the sheets later, no.

And I do usually make my bed, just so the cats don't get fur and dander all over the sheets.
Sarkhaan
04-02-2008, 23:39
No. I see no reason, and don't have time in the morning.
B en H
04-02-2008, 23:40
No, why should I?:confused:
Dalmatia Cisalpina
04-02-2008, 23:46
Yes, I made my bed this morning. I will say I don't make my bed every morning (depends on how late I'm running), but I had an extra minute today.
Snafturi
04-02-2008, 23:59
I moved my bed up against a wall and it's really hard to make it. I didn't bother this morning.
Euadnam
05-02-2008, 00:04
No, because I'm a lazy sonofabitch. Plus I just don't see the point.

Amen.
[NS]I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS
05-02-2008, 00:08
I do every morning, dad gets mad at me if my room's untidy.
Dyakovo
05-02-2008, 00:15
Well, did you make your bed this morning?

Nope, I'll make it shortly before I climb back into it tonight.
NERVUN
05-02-2008, 00:24
Nope. I have to make it every night though. My wife and I sleep on real futons so they have to be pulled out of their closet, unfolded, and set up for the night. My wife packs them up in the morning though.
Amarenthe
05-02-2008, 00:27
I was awake and on my way to work at 4.30am. Making my bed before I leave is *not* a priority that early in the morning... and besides, I just fall back into it the minute I get home, and nap for a couple hours before I even think about the rest of the day.

After my nap? No, I don't usually make it then, either. I spend a lot of time in my bed, though, and it's winter, so it's cold... I get all cuddled up in pj's at 4 o'clock in the afternoon and chill on my laptop.
Call to power
05-02-2008, 00:33
no because its more comfy that way ;)
Yootopia
05-02-2008, 00:36
Well, did you make your bed this morning?
Hells no.
Londim
05-02-2008, 01:09
I occasionally do but more often than not, like today, I don't do my bed. I just don't see the point most of the time.
Conserative Morality
05-02-2008, 02:14
No, I've been sick all day so I followed my weekend ritual.
Get up, groan, drag my blanket out of bed,stay on the computer until one of my friends comes over and we go outside, or until it's late at night and I drag my blanket back in bed.
Gosh I love my life!:D
Damaske
05-02-2008, 02:19
No. Since I am still sleeping in my bed in the morning.
Gartref
05-02-2008, 02:22
no, and it has all kinds of crap on it that couldn't fit on the floor. fortunately it's a double so i can sleep on the other side.

You really shouldn't crap in your bed - even if the floor is full.
Soyut
05-02-2008, 03:16
I have 3 blankets, 2 pillows and 1 bottom sheet on my bed and they are never in any particular order. I do clean them every week though. I am clean but not orderly.
Andaras
05-02-2008, 03:17
No.
Egg and chips
05-02-2008, 03:40
I sleep in a hammock. If you don't make the bed, it has a tendency to tip over!
Hamilay
05-02-2008, 03:57
No, I don't know where the nails are.

*boom-tish*

Well, no.
Andaluciae
05-02-2008, 04:10
No, no I didn't. I didn't sleep in my bed last night, thus, I didn't need to make it this morning. In fact, I don't think I've slept in my bed since last...Friday. I made it Saturday morning, and it remains made.
Dyakovo
05-02-2008, 04:12
No, no I didn't. I didn't sleep in my bed last night, thus, I didn't need to make it this morning. In fact, I don't think I've slept in my bed since last...Friday. I made it Saturday morning, and it remains made.

Well, go sleep in it, then report back as to whether or not you make it in the morning...
And that's an order young (wo)man! ;)
Soviet Haaregrad
05-02-2008, 04:19
No, my plush cat refuses to lay on an overly organized bed.
Katganistan
05-02-2008, 04:25
Define make.

If you mean, did I fluff the pillows, tuck the sheets, make sure there were perfect hospital corners, no.

If you mean did I let the blankets air out a bit then pull them back over the bed in a more or less covering-up position.... yes. But it's not neat.
Andaluciae
05-02-2008, 04:25
Well, go sleep in it, then report back as to whether or not you make it in the morning...
And that's an order young (wo)man! ;)

Oh, don't worry, I will, I will make that bed! I did last time I slept in it, after all...
Dyakovo
05-02-2008, 04:27
Oh, don't worry, I will, I will make that bed! I did last time I slept in it, after all...

Very good

*wanders off to check and see if own bed made itself*
Potarius
05-02-2008, 06:13
No, because it's absolutely pointless. Making a bed should only be done in preparation for company, or if you happen to be a staff member at a hotel.

Not that the rest of one's house should be treated like the bed, but really, there's no point to it. It would be like windexing your TV every time you turn it on and off.
Wilgrove
05-02-2008, 06:59
I don't make my bed and I don't see any compelling reason to.
Cameroi
05-02-2008, 08:55
my bed was made in a factory. by elves.

i do have a particular way of arrainging its linens however. one that doesn't get greatly disturbed by my sleeping in it. it does take a bit of doing when i chainge them, once a week or so, but that's about it.

=^^=
.../\...
Posi
05-02-2008, 09:01
I did the same thing I do every morning. I took the clothes off my computer chair, and dumped them onto my unmade bed.
Extreme Ironing
05-02-2008, 11:23
If you mean did I let the blankets air out a bit then pull them back over the bed in a more or less covering-up position.... yes. But it's not neat.

This.
THE LOST PLANET
05-02-2008, 11:49
Make my bed...? In the morning...? Hell I don't usually climb into bed until 9 or 10 AM...
Boonytopia
05-02-2008, 11:59
No, but my wife did.
Longhaul
05-02-2008, 12:09
I tidy up/remake our bed every morning, folding the duvet down to half way down the bed so that the sheets get some air.

My wife gets up a few minutes before I do each day, puts the kettle on and then goes for a shower. I get up, sort out the bed, draw the curtains and go make coffee. It's not something I've ever really thought about until I read this thread... it's just something that gets done.
:)
Dryks Legacy
05-02-2008, 12:10
Nope. Nor will I ever. What's the point?

No, because I'm a lazy sonofabitch. Plus I just don't see the point.

I don't make my bed and I don't see any compelling reason to.

Yep, that's pretty much how I feel.
Peepelonia
05-02-2008, 13:50
Well it's hard to say what do you mean by making the bed?

I flap the duvet back over when I climb out of the bed and call that made. By the time I get home from work though my wife has chnaged the sheets, pillow cases, and duvet cover, the bed is flat and creaseless and the pillows have been plumped, she calls this making the bed.

So by my resoning yes I made the bed this morning, although I fear my wife would disagree with me.
Rambhutan
05-02-2008, 13:58
No, and it is healthier not to.
Nocere
05-02-2008, 14:01
I'm up at 5 in the am. My lovely sweetheart, is still in bed until the sun comes up or 10 am whichever comes first. ;)

This means, if I make the bed I only make him more comfortable. Which on some days I do, however on rainy days if I made the bed he'd never get to work on time :D
Cabra West
05-02-2008, 14:08
Well, did you make your bed this morning?

I do every day, because I have this stuffed-animal rabbit named April, and if I don't make my bed she doesn't look as comfortable to me.

I usually do, but I have to be fast otherwise my BF will have made it. And he never fluffs up my pillow :(
Cabra West
05-02-2008, 14:11
Shame on him!

Well, he doesn't fluff up his either. He's just a non-fluffer, and doesn't understand the joy of sinking into a fluffy pillow in at night...
Peepelonia
05-02-2008, 14:14
And he never fluffs up my pillow :(

Shame on him!
Intestinal fluids
05-02-2008, 14:32
I toss and turn with such mathmatical precision at night that when i wake up my bed is already remade.
Bottle
05-02-2008, 14:46
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4181629.stm

Also, I'm lazy.
Peepelonia
05-02-2008, 15:00
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4181629.stm

Also, I'm lazy.

Sweet, I'm now armed with real data for the wife.
Ifreann
05-02-2008, 15:00
I don't think I'll vote, since I didn't sleep in a bed last night. I did make my friend's couch though :)
Hobabwe
05-02-2008, 15:40
Never bother with making the bed, unless i plan on entertaining female company, which i wont tonight, so i didnt.
Rasselas
05-02-2008, 15:56
No. Most days I make it look tidy-ish, but today as I got up, the dog came running in and decided the bed was a great place for a nap. He looked upset when I tried to shift him, so I left it :p
Uturn
05-02-2008, 16:36
I made my futon, as in putting it up into a couch...
I do so almost every day.
I'm also a compulsive neat freak... the kind that walks into someone else's house and straightens their books.
SoWiBi
05-02-2008, 16:43
I'm a liar; I answered "yes" because even though I didn't today (I was running über-late) I usually do.

Knowing about the mites thing, I usually put everything in a way that'll air it the best way after I get up to shower, and then I'll "make my bed" about 1.5-2 hours later before I leave the house.

I couldn't, however, just leave the bed as it is - I have this OCD thing that I cannot possibly have anything "dirty"things, i.e. anything but my body plus things that are meant to be in the bed and therefore may not leave it lest they lose their "clean" status (stuffed animal, nightshirt, etc.) touching my bed. I effectively prevent this by making the bed and then pulling a cover blanket thingy over it, and then I'm free to pile clothes, stuff, visitors etc. on it all day until I'll remove the cover and use the bed for sleeping in again.

Of course I could also draw the cover thing over an unmade bed, but that a) makes for uncomfortable sitting on and b) leaves precious things like my stuffed animal or my pillow, which I'll not allow to be sat on even with a protective cover over them, in unpredictable places and therefore less easy to prevent being sat on.

I'm weird that way.
Dyakovo
05-02-2008, 16:48
I made my futon, as in putting it up into a couch...
I do so almost every day.
I'm also a compulsive neat freak... the kind that walks into someone else's house and straightens their books.

:eek: you're not allowed in my house :mad:
Uturn
05-02-2008, 16:58
Snip!

YAY FOR OCD-NESS!
Do you butter bread to the edges too?
Uturn
05-02-2008, 17:09
:eek: you're not allowed in my house :mad:

Aw... but I wash dishes too.
:(
SoWiBi
05-02-2008, 17:26
YAY FOR OCD-NESS!
Do you butter bread to the edges too?
Absolutely, an with an even coat and no bumps or below-average thin spots, too. And when I make a pizza myself, the toppings will be evenly distributed and no single spot will be without cheese, either.
Aw... but I wash dishes too.

Yes, but do you make sure to rinse off every single bit of foam/detergent? And do you double-check against the light to not have missed any dirt? And do you make sure to rinse them in increasing order of dirtiness (only applicable if you don't do them under running water)? And do you explicitly wash the spaces in between the thorny thingies of the forks?

If not, get the hell away from my dishes; I'd rather do them myself. :]
Ifreann
05-02-2008, 17:42
the thorny thingies of the forks

Tines :)
Potarius
05-02-2008, 17:52
Absolutely, an with an even coat and no bumps or below-average thin spots, too. And when I make a pizza myself, the toppings will be evenly distributed and no single spot will be without cheese, either.

Yes, but do you make sure to rinse off every single bit of foam/detergent? And do you double-check against the light to not have missed any dirt? And do you make sure to rinse them in increasing order of dirtiness (only applicable if you don't do them under running water)? And do you explicitly wash the spaces in between the thorny thingies of the forks?

If not, get the hell away from my dishes; I'd rather do them myself. :]

I'm the same way with bread and pizza, though it's more a quality thing than an OCD thing, because while I can do without them being perfect, I'd much rather them be, well, perfect.

Same way with the dishes, except for the rinsing in order of dirtiness bit. Again, it's all a matter of quality, as I definitely have issues when anybody else in my house does them... I dislike finding dried, crusted food on supposedly "clean" dishes, and it happens because they don't pay as much attention to detail as I do.
SoWiBi
05-02-2008, 17:53
Tines :)

Thanks. Did I ever mention that sane of mind as I am, I of course only visit NSG in order to improve my English?

Just so that I don't stand here empty-handed: In German, it's Zinken :]
SoWiBi
05-02-2008, 17:56
I definitely have issues when anybody else in my house does them... I dislike finding dried, crusted food on supposedly "clean" dishes, and it happens because they don't pay as much attention to detail as I do.

I share a kitchen and subsequently a set of dishes, too.. I'm particularly fond of reaching for a "clean" bowl/plate only to have to go and wash my hands because the underside was still all oily (my flatmate greatly enjoys extremely fatty foods).
Dyakovo
05-02-2008, 19:57
Aw... but I wash dishes too.
:(

Well, okay, but you have to do a good job ;)
VietnamSounds
05-02-2008, 20:21
People actually do this?
Liuzzo
05-02-2008, 20:40
I only do it if 1. company is coming over and they are too damn nosy to not stay out of my bedroom. 2. my wife makes me do it.
Ladamesansmerci
05-02-2008, 20:46
No. What are you, crazy? Even the suggestion of making my bed is heresy.
Kbrook
05-02-2008, 20:49
I did, but only because we're living with my grandma at the moment (because she won't get an tests, she has osteoperosis and fractured her spine. JOY!). Normall, I really don't bother. The cats seem to prefer having a place to hide.
Pure Metal
05-02-2008, 20:59
no because i was staying at a hotel last night

but i don't at home either as i'll just make it messy again in a few hours
Amor Pulchritudo
06-02-2008, 00:34
Well, did you make your bed this morning?

I do every day, because I have this stuffed-animal rabbit named April, and if I don't make my bed she doesn't look as comfortable to me.

I wouldn't admit I had a stuffed animal rabbit on NSG, personally.
Chandelier
06-02-2008, 00:41
I wouldn't admit I had a stuffed animal rabbit on NSG, personally.

I'm not ashamed of April.
Vendenon
06-02-2008, 00:42
I just pull the sheets all the way and go on my way. There isn't much of a point of making it all nice unless someone important is coming over and you don't want to be embarrassed.
Iniika
06-02-2008, 00:53
Usually I at least throw my blankets over my sheets, because if I don't people end up putting dirty things in my bed.

...

Like my mail. Who knows how many unclean hands that package touched before you put it on my clean sheets that I sleep on?! >.<

I'm very picky about my bed like that. Its my very personal space. To put it in perspective, I dont even like my significant other on/in my bed. XP

Oh, and I have a stuffed animal army on my bed 0x0 it's where my dragons sleep X3
IL Ruffino
06-02-2008, 01:07
Why make the bed when you can buy it at Ikea?
Amor Pulchritudo
06-02-2008, 09:44
Usually I at least throw my blankets over my sheets, because if I don't people end up putting dirty things in my bed.

...

Like my mail. Who knows how many unclean hands that package touched before you put it on my clean sheets that I sleep on?! >.<

I'm very picky about my bed like that. Its my very personal space. To put it in perspective, I dont even like my significant other on/in my bed. XP

Oh, and I have a stuffed animal army on my bed 0x0 it's where my dragons sleep X3

You'd rather have dust-mite infested, made-in-China stuffed toys on your bed than your significant other? *vomit*
Uturn
06-02-2008, 11:44
I wouldn't admit I had a stuffed animal rabbit on NSG, personally.I'm not ashamed of April.

I have an entire wall length shelf and a half of stuffed toys... with names, and family histories, and personal relationships.

Well, okay, but you have to do a good job ;)

There's another way?
:confused:
Dyakovo
06-02-2008, 11:48
I have an entire wall length shelf and a half of stuffed toys... with names, and family histories, and personal relationships.

And in the corner is where you keep your life? :p

There's another way?
:confused:

Yes
Mad hatters in jeans
06-02-2008, 11:54
Usually I at least throw my blankets over my sheets, because if I don't people end up putting dirty things in my bed.

...

Like my mail. Who knows how many unclean hands that package touched before you put it on my clean sheets that I sleep on?! >.<

I'm very picky about my bed like that. Its my very personal space. To put it in perspective, I dont even like my significant other on/in my bed. XP

Oh, and I have a stuffed animal army on my bed 0x0 it's where my dragons sleep X3

As another poster has said, whut?
You don't allow your significant other in your bed? I don't mean to tell you how you should do things but that sounds like a bad idea, i mean it's your significant other, isn't he equal to you? Mind you i can understand the dragons bit, they rule, reminds me of a little green dragon i got on holiday, i called it "Arr" and it went ARRRrr. Oh god i'm giving relationship advice on NSG...help me!
Mad hatters in jeans
06-02-2008, 12:02
Okay...



You've got issues if you won't let your significant other on your bed, I recommend therapy.



That's what you were asking for, right Mad Hatter?

It'l do for now.
Yeah you're right.
But i recomend moving the dragons in the bedroom, to your doorstep to protect against evil predators like pixies, elephants and attacks of mud pies.

EDIT: Timewarped again!
Dyakovo
06-02-2008, 12:03
As another poster has said, whut?
You don't allow your significant other in your bed? I don't mean to tell you how you should do things but that sounds like a bad idea, i mean it's your significant other, isn't he equal to you? Mind you i can understand the dragons bit, they rule, reminds me of a little green dragon i got on holiday, i called it "Arr" and it went ARRRrr. Oh god i'm giving relationship advice on NSG...help me!

Okay...

Usually I at least throw my blankets over my sheets, because if I don't people end up putting dirty things in my bed.

...

Like my mail. Who knows how many unclean hands that package touched before you put it on my clean sheets that I sleep on?! >.<

I'm very picky about my bed like that. Its my very personal space. To put it in perspective, I dont even like my significant other on/in my bed. XP

Oh, and I have a stuffed animal army on my bed 0x0 it's where my dragons sleep X3

You've got issues if you won't let your significant other on your bed, I recommend therapy.



That's what you were asking for, right Mad Hatter?
SoWiBi
06-02-2008, 12:32
You'd rather have dust-mite infested, made-in-China stuffed toys on your bed than your significant other? *vomit*

Way to be judgemental. If indeed they have problems with allowing another human being into their bed, I'd presume this is less a choice than an OCD behavior and therefore nothing you should ridicule or judge the other person for.

There are, however, other ways of seeing it. I, for example, am very okay with having my stuffed toy that's been in my ownership for 20 years, gets washed regularly and never leaves my bed in there, but I will object to anyone, including my SO, to touch my bedstuff when in their daytime clothes that they sat on various dirty surfaces with etc. - but I am more than fine with him joining me in my bed without his (daytime) clothes, and he's the same about his bed. Maybe that's what the other poster meant?
German Nightmare
06-02-2008, 22:42
Nö. http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/betthuepf.gif

I will, however, make my bed when I expect visitors and even put a blanket on top of my covers/pillows.
Cosmopoles
06-02-2008, 22:43
Yes, I made it as soon as I got out of it. I have the heating turned off to save money so if I don't keep it covered itll be freezing when I go to sleep tonight.
Myrmidonisia
06-02-2008, 23:17
Define make.

If you mean, did I fluff the pillows, tuck the sheets, make sure there were perfect hospital corners, no.

If you mean did I let the blankets air out a bit then pull them back over the bed in a more or less covering-up position.... yes. But it's not neat.

And then there's "make" as in "fabricate"... Yes, I did. But not this morning. We were walking through an Ethan Allen store and saw a sleigh bed we both liked. I copied it.
Looks like this,
http://www.ethanallen.com/images/products/xl/245650_xlarge.jpg
Myrmidonisia
06-02-2008, 23:19
Why make the bed when you can buy it at Ikea?
Because they make icky furniture. There's never an exception to the rule that you get what you pay for.
KaylanKero
06-02-2008, 23:21
xD I think the only time I make my bed is if I am expecting company or after I do laundry.
Sel Appa
07-02-2008, 01:30
What's the point in making one's bed...You're just going to sleep in it again...
Ilie
07-02-2008, 03:30
I sort of did...I just sling the comforter basically back up to pillow level. I don't have the stupid top sheet that makes things complicated.