NationStates Jolt Archive

In an attempt to stave off the inevitable flood of threads come Tuesday, I've decided to create this so we can coalesce all of the results and predictions and yadda yadda yadda.

To start things off, I am personally predicting that McCain will sweep the Republican Primaries while Obama will have a steady lead on Clinton, but not enough to decide the nomination just yet. (In other words, it'll look good for him but she can still win it.)

So...until the results start coming in...what're your predictions?

EDITFU:

So now that we've reached Super Tuesday, I'm going to start posting results here in the original post, as suggested by the Deus Meister.

Current Statistics:



Alabama
44% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 58% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 40% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0
Uncomitted: 0%

Arkansas
20% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 72% Delegates: 4
Obama: 24% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 3% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 1%



Arkansas
18% Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 62% Delegates: 7
McCain: 21% Delegates: 0
Romney: 12% Delegates: 0
Paul: 4% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 1% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: )%



Alabama
41% Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 39% Delegates: 0
McCain: 39% Delegates: 0
Romney: 18% Delegates: 0
Paul: 3% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 1% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 0%

Connecticut
64% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 50% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 47% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 1% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 1%



Connecticut
67% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 52% Delegates: 27
Romney: 33% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 7% Delegates: 0
Paul: 4% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 2%
Guiliani: 2% Delegates: 0

Deleware
100% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 53% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 42% Delegates: 0
Biden: 3% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0



Deleware
100% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 45% Delegates: 0
Romney: 33% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 15% Delegates: 0
Paul: 4% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 3% Delegates: 0

Georgia
67% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 62% Delegates: 14
Clinton: 35% Delegates: 4
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0


Georgia
65% Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 35%
McCain: 32%
Romney: 29%
Paul: 3%
Guiliani: 1%



Idaho
9% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 73% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 23% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 0% Delegates: 0
Uncomitted: 4%

Illinois
46% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 66% Delegates: 16
Clinton: 32% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0


Illinois
46% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 48% Delegates: 0
Romney: 28% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 16% Delegates: 0
Paul: 5% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 2% Delegates: 0

Kansas
56% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 72% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 28% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 0% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 0%

Massachusetts
54% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 58% Delegates: 8
Obama: 39% Delegates: 4
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0
No Preference: 1%


Massachusetts
54% Precincts Reporting
Romney: 51% Delegates: 5
McCain: 41% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 4% Delegates: 0
Paul: 3% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 1% Delegates: 0
No Preference: 0%


Minnesota
10% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 66% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 32% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 1% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 1% Delegates: 0



Minnesota
6% Precincts Reporting
Romney: 32% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 30% Delegates: 0
McCain: 23% Delegates: 0
Paul: 14% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 0% Delegates: 0



Missouri
46% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 55% Delegates: 0
Obama: 41% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 3% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 1%



Missouri
18% Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 35% Delegates: 0
McCain: 32% Delegates: 0
Romney: 27% Delegates: 0
Paul: 4% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 1% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 0%

New Jersey
58% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 54% Delegates: 8
Obama: 44% Delegates: 5
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0


New Jersey
67% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 55% Delegates: 52
Romney: 28% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 8% Delegates: 0
Paul: 5% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 3% Delegates: 0


New York
28% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 60% Delegates: 20
Obama: 37% Delegates: 11
Edwards: 1% Delegates: 0



New York
27% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 50% Delegates: 101
Romney: 28% Delegates: 0
Huckabee: 12% Delegates: 0
Paul: 7% Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 3% Delegates: 0

North Dakota
53% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 58% Delegates: 0
Clinton: 40% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 2% Delegates: 0

Oklahoma
72% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 55% Delegates: 4
Obama: 30% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 11% Delegates: 0


Oklahoma
69% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 37%
Huckabee: 34%
Romney: 24%
Paul: 3%
Guiliani: 1%

Tennessee
40% Precincts Reporting
Clinton: 61% Delegates: 6
Obama: 30% Delegates: 0
Edwards: 8% Delegates: 0
Uncommitted: 1%



Tennessee
39% Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 33% Delegates: 0
McCain: 33% Delegates: 0
Romney: 22% Delegates: 0
Paul: 6% Delegates: 0
Thompson: 5 % Delegates: 0
Guiliani: 1% Delegates: 0


West Virginia:
100% of Precincts Reporting
Huckabee: 52 % Delegates: 18
Romney: 47% Delegates: 0
McCain: 1% Delegates: 0

I think it'll be a close call for Obama and Mc. Cain.

McCain and Clinton, but both not by as much as the polls predict. McCain will still get the eventual nomination thanks to the fact that some of the states are winner-take-all and the uber-Bushie-conservatives have nobody pure Bushie enough to rally behind, and they'll realize that McCain is the only one who can win against dirty liberal.

Clinton will probably get a few more delegates than Obama (even with his momentum), but after Super Tuesday, the race will slow down enough for Obama to make sure that voters are exposed to his campaign again, and since he wins or ties (delegate-wise) every place he campaigns in heavily, he'll make up the ground lost on Super-Tuesday to eventually land the nomination. At least that's what I'm hoping will happen.

Obama and McCain, with Clinton and Romney close behind.

I hope for Obama and McCain, but I fear Clinton and Romney...

Obama and McCain is my idea of a great presidential campaign.

Clinton will get a slight lead, and McCain will get an uber lead.

Hillary and McCain.

'Cause voters are fucking stupid.

Obama and McCain, with Clinton and Romney close behind.

Agreed.

Personally, tomorrow I am voting for Ron Paul, but I know that he has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. If he doesn't get the nomination, I don't know what I'll do. I may not even end up voting, because the rest of the Republicans are as undesirable as the Democrats in my book.

I'm just stating my opinion, I really don't want to start another debate about this.

Agreed.

Personally, tomorrow I am voting for Ron Paul, but I know that he has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. If he doesn't get the nomination, I don't know what I'll do. I may not even end up voting, because the rest of the Republicans are as undesirable as the Democrats in my book.

I'm just stating my opinion, I really don't want to start another debate about this.


Well fortunately the racist candidate won't win.

Well fortunately the racist candidate won't win.

And someone who knows nothing about economics as well.

Hillary and McCain.

'Cause voters are fucking stupid.

QFT.

what the hell is super tuesday?

what the hell is super tuesday?

February 5th. Major day in the American election primaries. Around 20 states hold their primary elections on that date.

Obama will have a steady lead on Clinton, but not enough to decide the nomination just yet. (In other words, it'll look good for him but she can still win it.)

except that clinton needs decisive wins tomorrow more than obama does - he has more money than god, she needs wins to keep the funds flowing in.

what the hell is super tuesday?

It's like the bestest tuesday ever! :fluffle:

60-40 split for McCain
I get a buck if Obama gets over 40% of delegates. I think he'll get at least half when people see the reality of Hitlery.

60-40 split for McCain
I get a buck if Obama gets over 40% of delegates. I think he'll get at least half when people see the reality of Hitlery.

But if there's one thing the US electorate is unacquainted with, it's reality...

Don't get me wrong, I want Obama to get the nomination, but this way I'm not horribly surprised if/when Clinthulu steals it somehow.

what the hell is super tuesday?

political junkie st patrick's day.

I'm interested that the Republican race, while once a five way showdown, has now settled into a McCain vs. Romney race which I expect McCain to win easily, especially with more moderate Republicans in blue states like New York, New Jersey, and California voting.

The Democrats are much tougher to gauge, though. Obama and Hillary are having quite the battle, but I think that, while Obama has a great deal of support from young people, he'll be edged out by Hillary.

I'm a Republican, and I have to say, I'm not a big fan of any of the candidates. McCain is the best I suppose, but I disagree with him on a lot of issues. I'll probably vote for him though, as I think he's the guy who could take down Hillary, and probably Obama too.

what the hell is super tuesday?

In a dying week, a baby Tuesday was jettisoned off into space where it was discovered by a couple in Washington D.C. Soon it became clear that it had the power to make final king making decisions after a few small states had already had a disproportionate ability to narrow the choices. Now, masquerading as a mild mannered late winter midweek, every four years it leaps out and makes a final decision about which two people get to compete for the presidency.


I can't help but think that could have been better, but I just got up...

Hillary and McCain.

'Cause voters are fucking stupid.

^ that.

political junkie st patrick's day.

Complete with the drinking and everything? I'm in.

In a dying week, a baby Tuesday was jettisoned off into space where it was discovered by a couple in Washington D.C. Soon it became clear that it had the power to make final king making decisions after a few small states had already had a disproportionate ability to narrow the choices. Now, masquerading as a mild mannered late winter midweek, every four years it leaps out and makes a final decision about which two people get to compete for the presidency.


I can't help but think that could have been better, but I just got up...
The "mild mannered late winter midweek" was good.

It will be McCain vs. Hillary. But it really doesn't matter; I'm not enthusiastic about the decision of which master I'll get to have for the next 4, probably 8, years.

It will be McCain vs. Hillary. But it really doesn't matter; I'm not enthusiastic about the decision of which master I'll get to have for the next 4, probably 8, years.

Then perhaps instead of bemoaning the choices time after time, you should do something about it. Become politically active. Find some way to work your way into the power structure and change it from within. It's what I plan to do.

It'll be Obama for the Dems I think because the people are realizing just how bad Hillary would be for this country. I think most people agree that we need change, and electing someone who will only fuel the Clinton v. Bush politics that have ruled American politics for the last two decades would be a horrible mistake. We are expecting record numbers of voter turnout (which still isn't much) which leads me to hope that at least some are educated enough to make a decision.

For the Republicans I believe McCain is going to pick up quite a bit, however, that will mean the split of the Republican Party because there are considerable talks in the works to nominate a right-wing candidate in response to McCain's nomination because the party feels he has wandered from the party's beliefs. They are going to do intentionally to him what Nader did to Gore in 2000. Should be interesting.

Obama '08 but formerly Biden '08

Obama outright. I know it's a risk but i'll go with Obama to win Presidency.

I hope for Obama and Romney so the Presidential Election isnt even close and the democrats score a landslide victory.


What will probably happen is it will be an Obama McCain race.

Obama '08 but formerly Biden '08



Amen.

I think a lot of people want Obama to win, but they think Hillary will. How can there be so many people that are pubicly supporting Obama and yet, Hillary still is supposed to have the upper hand?

I think a lot of people want Obama to win, but they think Hillary will. How can there be so many people that are pubicly supporting Obama and yet, Hillary still is supposed to have the upper hand?

Internet Magnification Illusion? The same one that made Ron Paul supporters think he had a serious chance?

And someone who knows nothing about economics as well.
McCain?....Oh that's right, we ignore his lack of knowledge on economics over someone who has a very well read stance on economics but one that you just happen to disagree with:

Paul adheres deeply to Austrian school economics, opposing fiat money and the Federal Reserve;[42] he has authored six books on the subjects, and has pictures of classical liberal economists Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig von Mises hanging on his office wall.[26][113]

Yes, I'm sure he knows "NOTHING" about economics.... Don't be such a fool. :p You can disagree with someone without denying them their education...
It's like the bestest tuesday ever! :fluffle:
I laughed.
political junkie st patrick's day.
I laughed again.

Internet Magnification Illusion? The same one that made Ron Paul supporters think he had a serious chance?
Unfortunatly, you're right...but I don't think the Ron Paul scenario is the same for Obama...I think he does have a fairly large chance at beating Hillary. Recently he's been seriously closing the gap on her....

(that sounds so sexual, lol)

McCain and Clinton, but both not by as much as the polls predict. McCain will still get the eventual nomination thanks to the fact that some of the states are winner-take-all and the uber-Bushie-conservatives have nobody pure Bushie enough to rally behind, and they'll realize that McCain is the only one who can win against dirty liberal.

Clinton will probably get a few more delegates than Obama (even with his momentum), but after Super Tuesday, the race will slow down enough for Obama to make sure that voters are exposed to his campaign again, and since he wins or ties (delegate-wise) every place he campaigns in heavily, he'll make up the ground lost on Super-Tuesday to eventually land the nomination. At least that's what I'm hoping will happen.

I hope so too, because Hillary can't win Independants, and that would give the election to McCain.

In an attempt to stave off the inevitable flood of threads come Tuesday, I've decided to create this so we can coalesce all of the results and predictions and yadda yadda yadda.

To start things off, I am personally predicting that McCain will sweep the Republican Primaries while Obama will have a steady lead on Clinton, but not enough to decide the nomination just yet. (In other words, it'll look good for him but she can still win it.)

So...until the results start coming in...what're your predictions?
Geez, I read the title and thought I missed a day... And I don't drink like that anymore.

Geez, I read the title and thought I missed a day... And I don't drink like that anymore.

Whoops. That wasn't my intention.

But as I said, I wanted to stave off the inevitable flood, since I know the flood will piss off many people who don't care, and makes more sense to combine all results into one thread anyway. (I made it early because I know that if I tried to time it on the day itself I'd mess up.)

[url=http://www.pollster.com/]in graphical form
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/03/opinion/polls/main3783743.shtml

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are running neck-and-neck among Democratic primary voters, while John McCain appears to have solidified his status as the Republican Party's front-runner, opening up a wide margin over his nearest rival for the GOP nomination, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Obama has also seen his support among women rise by 11 percentage points, and he now trails Clinton by only 7 percentage points among that group. He trails Clinton narrowly among Democrats but leads her among independent voters by 13 percentage points.

Recently he's been seriously closing the gap on her

in graphical form (http://www.pollster.com/):

http://www.pollster.com/ADemSuperTuesday.png

Complete with the drinking and everything? I'm in.

well, that's the way i roll. i've encountered some setbacks in having a parade, though.

mccain wins more than any other republican due to huckabee:cool: stealing votes from romney. once the last primary is over huckabee drops out and is named mccain's running mate at the convention

hillary wins big over obama.

hillary edwards v. mccain huckabee

mccain huckabee our next pres:D

that is my preduiction

That sucks dry balls.

Whoops. That wasn't my intention.

But as I said, I wanted to stave off the inevitable flood, since I know the flood will piss off many people who don't care, and makes more sense to combine all results into one thread anyway. (I made it early because I know that if I tried to time it on the day itself I'd mess up.)
I've been traveling and the time zone changes make it hard to keep up. It's like that old movie that I'll name incorrectly ... "If it's Tuesday, This Must be Belgium".

Well, "Australia"* has spoken (http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6962), via a poll on a research website, and we've gone McCain, Obama.

This quote from an older Australian male living in Sydney is a good example of the symbolism surrounding the Obama "nomination":

"I think Barack Obama represents the best hope for a world entering a dangerous state of confrontation between Islam and Christianity. Obama is a Christian but he had Muslim parents and grew up in the world's most populous Islamic nation, Indonesia …"

He's cosmopolitan, he offers a fresh framework for conceptualising global issues, and he is a defence against fundamentalist Christianity in the US.

If you compare Democrats to Republicans, Australia goes 75% Democrat. Here's why:

And it's fundamentalist Christianity in the US which worries most respondents about the Republican nominees. While McCain won, it was as the "best of a bad bunch".

Assessments of Republican candidates were mostly defensive - the least, worst alternative - and very few concepts stood out. The most frequently mentioned at 6.2 per cent was "religious", followed by "war" with 5 per cent. The lack of concepts scoring over 10 per cent suggests that the Republican candidates have failed to grip the Australian imagination. The two concepts most frequently mentioned concepts are perceptions left-over from the Bush presidency that the US is full of warmongering Armageddon-bound religious hicks.

There's also this (my bold):

Longitudinal data that we have gathered from other surveys also allowed us to make comparisons between voting intentions in US elections and those in Australian elections. This data showed just how much to the right US politics appears to most Australians.

While 95 per cent of Labor voters, 90 per cent of Australian Democrats and 84 per cent of Greens voters would vote Democrat in the US, only 53 per cent of Liberals and 60 per cent of Nationals would vote Republican, with almost a third in each case being Democrats. Even the more right-wing and religiously inclined parties were equivocal, with 63 per cent of Christian Democrats identifying as Republican, while only 37 per cent of Family First voters did. A majority of One Nation voters would also have voted Democrat.


The writer makes the point that, for Australians, the US election is more about symbolism than policy, and the Obama "symbol" is the most appealing.

However, apparently we still love ya -- conditionally (my bold):

While recent surveys have suggested that the USA is unpopular around the world, our survey showed a great deal of affection for, and reliance upon, the US, underscoring the popular support for Australia's bi-partisan position on the US alliance. When we asked respondents which candidate would be best for Australia and why, they chose Obama, with the most common reason being a concern that if the US could re-establish itself as a respected world power, then Australia was safer than now.
The url again: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6962

* The website is maintained by a number of academic and government groups and I accept its claim of lack of intentional bias. However, it is subject to the usual caveats -- it's for internet users (which 75% of Australians are) and it is self-limited to the politically interested.

mccain wins more than any other republican due to huckabee:cool: stealing votes from romney. once the last primary is over huckabee drops out and is named mccain's running mate at the convention

hillary wins big over obama.

hillary edwards v. mccain huckabee

mccain huckabee our next pres:D

that is my preduiction

well Edwards would like to be attorney general, so if he gives her his delegates and she does get the nomination it could probably be Clinton- Richardson or Clinton-Biden.( then again can Gore be a vice president again?)


I do think Mccain will win the primaries so he'll be a shoo-in for the nomination, as for the democrats I think it will be preaty evenly matched with Obama winning a couple more delegates than hillarry. It probably wont be until april until we find out who the Democratic Party nominee is.

Then perhaps instead of bemoaning the choices time after time, you should do something about it. Become politically active. Find some way to work your way into the power structure and change it from within. It's what I plan to do.

He's an anarchist. That's like asking a Communist to support a capitalist cause.

McCain?....Oh that's right, we ignore his lack of knowledge on economics over someone who has a very well read stance on economics but one that you just happen to disagree with:

Paul adheres deeply to Austrian school economics, opposing fiat money and the Federal Reserve;[42] he has authored six books on the subjects, and has pictures of classical liberal economists Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig von Mises hanging on his office wall.[26][113]

Yes, I'm sure he knows "NOTHING" about economics.... Don't be such a fool. :p You can disagree with someone without denying them their education...

I laughed.

I laughed again.

Didn't you get schooled on this earlier? Besides his economic policy (which would ruin America), other reasons to oppose him is the fact that he wants to bring us back to the Articles of Confederation which were an utter failure.

Obama and McCain.

For anyone who says the voters are stupid, well I feel sorry you have such a negative mindset.

Obama and Hillary will be close.

McCain will win by a lot.

Mitt Romney will be elected the Secretary of Looking Good in the cabinet of Obama.

Yes, I'm sure he knows "NOTHING" about economics.... Don't be such a fool. :p You can disagree with someone without denying them their education...

So he's well-educated, and still doesn't comprehend

*SNIP* unrelated *SNIP*
Anyway..like I was saying....I was disproving what you said about him knowing "nothing" about economics, as he clearly knows ALOT...just that you and him disagree over which economic theory should be applied....but that does not translate into "knowing nothing".

That was my point.

Differing opinions does not mean "You know nothing"....

*Ardy's Data*
Fascinating. I'm not really surprised by it though.

I wonder...is the data similar in other countries?
He's an anarchist. That's like asking a Communist to support a capitalist cause.

Well, Ron Paul the "Libertarian" didn't seem to have a problem with it...

Also, TAI is correct. John McCain does know something of economics. He is not entirely ignorant.

Anyway..like I was saying....I was disproving what you said about him knowing "nothing" about economics, as he clearly knows ALOT...just that you and him disagree over which economic theory should be applied....but that does not translate into "knowing nothing".

That was my point.

Differing opinions does not mean "You know nothing"....

McCain? He's come out and admitted that he doesn't know as much as he should about economics. Not that it translates into "knowing nothing", the man probably knows more than I do. And I'd trust McCain to get a superb advisor to help him with these matters.

Differing opinions does not mean "You know nothing"....

I agree, however...Corneilu is right. When you want to go back to the Gold Standard, you know jack shit about economics.

McCain? He's come out and admitted that he doesn't know as much as he should about economics. Not that it translates into "knowing nothing", the man probably knows more than I do. And I'd trust McCain to get a superb advisor to help him with these matters.
I was talking about Ron Paul. McCain is ingorant on economics, in my opinion...while Ron Paul is really well read, just holds an opinion that many here disagree with. That's not the same as knowing nothing, is my point.
Also, TAI is correct. John McCain does know something of economics. He is not entirely ignorant.
I was talking about Dr. Paul. He is not ignorant on economics, just holds an opinion many here disagree with. That is not the same as ignorance. McCain on the other hand, doesn't know shit about economics. If you'd like i'll show you on youtube clips.

I agree, however...Corneilu is right. When you want to go back to the Gold Standard, you know jack shit about economics.
He feels it's better to have something support the currency instead of just the government word. He feels that it makes the currency more valuble in case anything happens to the government....

Not saying I agree..but it's not "jack shit"..there are reasons for it.

Didn't you get schooled on this earlier? Besides his economic policy (which would ruin America), other reasons to oppose him is the fact that he wants to bring us back to the Articles of Confederation which were an utter failure.

No it wouldn't Fiat has ruined America. Especially the way it's made. If the government actually made the money and exchanged it for like infrastructure. You'd have regulated currency and new stuff. Not this cartel that prints money and charges the government for that.

mccain wins more than any other republican due to huckabee:cool: stealing votes from romney. once the last primary is over huckabee drops out and is named mccain's running mate at the convention

hillary wins big over obama.

hillary edwards v. mccain huckabee

mccain huckabee our next pres:D

that is my preduiction

You, sir, have no idea how politics works.

But if there's one thing the US electorate is unacquainted with, it's reality...

Don't get me wrong, I want Obama to get the nomination, but this way I'm not horribly surprised if/when Clinthulu steals it somehow.

I have faith. She'll cheat, but with legal stuff not manipulation. LIke how she's trying to get the Michigan and Florida delegates. She's not going te fuck with machines. I just don't see it.

I think it will be McCain v. Obama in November, with a win for McCain.

I was talking about Ron Paul. McCain is ingorant on economics, in my opinion...while Ron Paul is really well read, just holds an opinion that many here disagree with.

Yep.We do disagree with the gold standard, multiple currencies, etc.

That's not the same as knowing nothing, is my point.

Actually it is knowing nothing.

I was talking about Dr. Paul. He is not ignorant on economics, just holds an opinion many here disagree with.

Not ignorant? *dies of laughter*

That is not the same as ignorance. McCain on the other hand, doesn't know shit about economics. If you'd like i'll show you on youtube clips.

Oy ve

I'm predicting the Giants will win, beating the Patriots from 5 to 10 points.

Oh, sorry, wrong sport...

I think it will be McCain v. Obama in November, with a win for McCain.

What makes you so sure?

Then perhaps instead of bemoaning the choices time after time, you should do something about it. Become politically active. Find some way to work your way into the power structure and change it from within. It's what I plan to do.

Except I want to bring down the power structure, and as the state is a particular interest out for A.) Its preservation, and B.) Its aggrandizement, I have no chance in Hell of changing it from the inside.

Barack Obama & John McCain best win cause Hillary is a biatch and Mitt And Mike are just bad canadates:sniper:

What makes you so sure?

Honestly? McCain seems to be the front runner for the GOP. I think more Democrats will vote for Obama in the primaries 1) because he's not Clinton 2) because he is African American and it's the politically correct thing to do and 3) because he's young and idealistic. Some may even vote for him because 4) a vote for Obama is a vote Clinton can't get her mitts on.

But I think the same people will quietly vote for McCain when it comes down to it.

Barack Obama & John McCain best win cause Hillary is a biatch and Mitt And Mike are just bad canadates:sniper:

Hello, n00b. :rolleyes:

Honestly? McCain seems to be the front runner for the GOP. I think more Democrats will vote for Obama in the primaries 1) because he's not Clinton 2) because he is African American and it's the politically correct thing to do and 3) because he's young and idealistic. Some may even vote for him because 4) a vote for Obama is a vote Clinton can't get her mitts on.

But I think the same people will quietly vote for McCain when it comes down to it.



Hello, n00b. :rolleyes:

Hey, Kat. If you guys removed the gun smilie, would we stop getting n00bs altogether?

Hey, Kat. If you guys removed the gun smilie, would we stop getting n00bs altogether?

Not a bad idea. Let's give it a shot! :p

No... they'd still be spouting biatch and banging their heads against the wall thusly: :headbang::headbang::headbang:

Let us not forget the ever-so-popular :upyours: as well.

Not a bad idea. Let's give it a shot! :p

Ba-dum-TISSSSSH!


He'll be here all week, folks.... ;)


:fluffle:

Hey, Kat. If you guys removed the gun smilie, would we stop getting n00bs altogether?

No, it would just be a little less obvious when they did show up

2) because he is African American and it's the politically correct thing to do
Couldn't this be said to dismiss a vote for Clinton, or 'the woman,' as well? I think, as usual, the use of the "PC Boogeyman" is kind of empty here.

I think it will be McCain v. Obama in November, with a win for McCain.
Why? That makes no sense. Obama will thump anyone just over the 8 years of having a bad Republican. Plus, McCain loves the Iraq war. Over half the country doesn't. McCain would beat Hillary,but not Obama. There's just no way. It would be a tough race though.

Honestly? McCain seems to be the front runner for the GOP. I think more Democrats will vote for Obama in the primaries 1) because he's not Clinton 2) because he is African American and it's the politically correct thing to do and 3) because he's young and idealistic. Some may even vote for him because 4) a vote for Obama is a vote Clinton can't get her mitts on.

But I think the same people will quietly vote for McCain when it comes down to it.
That doesn't really make sense. I guess you're referring to open primaries, but still it just isn't going to happen that way. Election sabotage is not that widespread...

I predict that the Republican nomination is going to go to: someone I don't agree with
I predict that the Democratic nomination is going to go to: someone I don't agree with



hope that helps ;)

But I think the same people will quietly vote for McCain when it comes down to it.


I hope you're wrong. McCain would be a serious mistake.

I'm thinking Hillary will edge out Obama tomorrow in the key states, and will most likely get the nomination, regardless what sort of 'momentum' John Zogby attributes to Obama (it's there, but not strong enough).

I'll be voting for Hillary here in California tomorrow. :)

Yeah, because it's not like John Zogby would know what he's talking about. Oh, no, he's just another one of those silly pollsters. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I wish you wouldn't vote for Hillary, and I also wish you'd come to your senses instead of supporting the Republicans. Not that supporting the Dmeocrats is all that much better, but at the moment there is no other alternative.

I'm thinking Hillary will edge out Obama tomorrow in the key states, and will most likely get the nomination, regardless what sort of 'momentum' John Zogby attributes to Obama (it's there, but not strong enough).

I'll be voting for Hillary here in California tomorrow. :)

My gut says that Clinton will take it tomorrow, perhaps not by a lot but enough to put her clearly in the lead for now.

EDIT: History suggests that this means Obama will clean up given my record of predictions

It's not just that I question polls - not in their collection but rather in the responders honesty - I also question the media's selection of results, in that they have a vested interest in calling close races.

For the Republicans, it seems to be going McCain's way and, I guess, he's simply the least worst of the lot but I really can't see him beating either Clinton or Obama.

I'd like a race between Clinton and Romney for no other reason than I think it's the most interesting match up - doesn't look like I'll get my way this time.

Yeah, because it's not like John Zogby would know what he's talking about. Oh, no, he's just another one of those silly pollsters. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I wish you wouldn't vote for Hillary, and I also wish you'd come to your senses instead of supporting the Republicans. Not that supporting the Dmeocrats is all that much better, but at the moment there is no other alternative.

Zogby's track record is not exactly stellar - he's missed the mark completely in several recent contests. It's not too tough to google that one, really. ;) His methodology is standard, but his weighting is often way off. Not that he deserves particular attention or anything, I just happened to have read a few people linking to his most recent poll in the last day or so.

Anyway, I wouldn't sweat too much about John McCain - he's a good guy, a liberal Republican, with good character overall. We'll do just fine under him. :)

I think Obama and McCain AKA the manchurian candidate will win on tuesday and win the nomination.

Anyway, I wouldn't sweat too much about John McCain - he's a good guy, a liberal Republican, with good character overall. We'll do just fine under him. :)

he is not a liberal repub, nor does he have good character. check out any real scoring of voting records. for example, http://voteview.ucsd.edu/sen110.htm puts him way down towards the bottom, for the last several congresses. he is a craven sycophant, at best, who came up with this whole reform-minded maverick thing in the wake of being nearly taken down for using his power to try to interfere in an investigation into a big contributer of his. at this point he is openly claiming that he would vote against his own recent bills. like bills that still have votes pending.

he's a fucking sham.

he is not a liberal repub, nor does he have good character. check out any real scoring of voting records. for example, http://voteview.ucsd.edu/sen110.htm puts him way down towards the bottom, for the last several congresses. he is a craven sycophant, at best, who came up with this whole reform-minded maverick thing in the wake of being nearly taken down for using his power to try to interfere in an investigation into a big contributer of his. at this point he is openly claiming that he would vote against his own recent bills. like bills that still have votes pending.

he's a fucking sham.

If by "the bottom," you mean 'most conservative,' then that suits me just fine. :p However, that's not his reputation, and I don't agree, even if I'm not hip to the latest algorithm. As for his career in the Senate, I don't think you're going to sum up 20+ years in one sentence, but I like his record overall, I'll say that much. :) In any case, I'll take a politician who attains to honesty and accountability over one who doesn't even pretend to it any day. :p

If by "the bottom," you mean 'most conservative,' then that suits me just fine. :p However, that's not his reputation, and I don't agree, even if I'm not hip to the latest algorithm.

his reputation, like the cake, is a lie.

his reputation, like the cake, is a lie.

...the cake is a...a lie?? :eek: :(

...the cake is a...a lie?? :eek: :(

Turns out you can neither have it or eat it.

The Patriot, John McCain, will defeat the Charging Romney in his perfect run for the Republican nomination.

Obama, despite earlier setbacks, will stride like a Giant to the Democratic convention, where he will send Hillary Packing.

In the General election, Obama will score a surprise come from behind victory over the heavily favored McCain with a pass to Tyree.

In an attempt to stave off the inevitable flood of threads come Tuesday, I've decided to create this so we can coalesce all of the results and predictions and yadda yadda yadda.

To start things off, I am personally predicting that McCain will sweep the Republican Primaries while Obama will have a steady lead on Clinton, but not enough to decide the nomination just yet. (In other words, it'll look good for him but she can still win it.)

So...until the results start coming in...what're your predictions?

Great thread Kyronea, the best named thread on the subject, but with no Public Poll and no Poll at all.

Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination for President either on super tuesday or beyond.
Barack Obama will do well on super tuesday.

If or when Hillary gets the democratic nomination, since Obama is the only other candidate left standing with a decent amount of delegates at that, there is going to be alot of presure at the democratic convention for Hillary to offer Obama the Vice Presidential nomination.

If Hillary wins the nomination will the democratic ticket be Hillary Clinton , Barack Obama? Can she afford to not offer the Vice spot to Obama? I think Obama would accept the Vice spot if offered.

Can a Hillary Obama ticket win?

How well the African American vote react if she does not offer Obama the Vice spot?

According to this source NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

Four in 10 Edwards supporters said their second choice in the race is Clinton, while a quarter prefer Obama, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo poll conducted late this month. Both Clinton and Obama would welcome Edwards' backing and the support of the 56 delegates he had collected.

Posted by LHC, I always expected about 50 % of Edwards supporters to back Obama but according to these sources thats not the case. So it looks like Hillary has the field wide open now to the Democratic nomination if that poll source holds up.

Now the national polls seem to have tightened up, but the state by state polls and results are what counts.

If Obama were to win the Democratic nomination should he offer Hillary the Vice Spot?
Would Hillary accept the Vice Spot? Should Hillary accept the Vice Spot? Can an Obama Hillary Clinton ticket win?


John McCain will win the Republican nomination on super tuesday or beyond.

I dont think john McCain can offfer the Vice spot to Mitt Romney, nor Romney would accept.

I think John McCain should offer the vice spot to Mike Huckabee as the only other alternative candidate left, Huckabee might accept the vice spot with John McCain but not with Mitt Romney.

I dont think Huckabee could offer the Vice spot to Mitt Romney should he pull out a miracle and win the Republican nomination.

At this point I dont think John McCain can offer the Vice spot to his dear friend Rudy Giuliani specially after he droped out and there are some conservatives saying John McCain is not conservative enough.

The Patriot, John McCain, will defeat the Charging Romney in his perfect run for the Republican nomination.

Obama, despite earlier setbacks, will stride like a Giant to the Democratic convention, where he will send Hillary Packing.

In the General election, Obama will score a surprise come from behind victory over the heavily favored McCain with a pass to Tyree.

Oh I had a different analogy.

In the beginning there was Microsoft (Clinton), a powerful conglomerate hoping to protect its proprietary domination - then there was Yahoo (Edwards), a cheeky, young upstart who hoped to shift the power but, frankly, had no solid business unit; just a youthful brand image.

That was fine for a while until the exciting new Google (Obama) saw its stock rise hugely although mostly due to one thing, the ability to promise change through support for open source.

Now Microsoft is looking to buy out former Yahoo people to better challenge Google.

Something like that but better expressed.

Obama and either Romney or the Huckster will outdo their respective party opponents. Hillary and McCain will form a bipartisan ticket with Hill as prez and JM as veep.

And yes, I just pulled that out of my <insert preferred crude expression here>

Great thread Kyronea, the best named thread on the subject, but with no Public Poll and no Poll at all.

I didn't make a poll since the primary reason for this thread is for the posting of the Super Tuesday results. The speculation is simply to give it something to do while we wait for those results.

Polls are open!!! We're, like, ten hours away from knowing and thus ready for the next set of wild predictions made with absolute certainty no matter how fresh from the ass they are!!!

Polls are open!!! We're, like, ten hours away from knowing and thus ready for the next set of wild predictions made with absolute certainty no matter how fresh from the ass they are!!!

Oh shit! I'm going to have to miss watching the paint dry!

Oh shit! I'm going to have to miss watching the paint dry!

Tell me about it. I'm going out to pick up a copy of Mutiny on the Bounty just so I don't have to listen to the omnipresent predictions tonight.

I've done my thing, voted when the polls opened. Now leave me alone until you know who's won.

Zogby's track record is not exactly stellar - he's missed the mark completely in several recent contests. It's not too tough to google that one, really. ;) His methodology is standard, but his weighting is often way off. Not that he deserves particular attention or anything, I just happened to have read a few people linking to his most recent poll in the last day or so.

Anyway, I wouldn't sweat too much about John McCain - he's a good guy, a liberal Republican, with good character overall. We'll do just fine under him. :)

A McCain Obama race is just a win win for me. I'd be very happy either way that one would turn out. I will not be pleased if Hillary gets the nod, and God help my sanity if she wins.

-- Gov. Mike Huckabee is winner in West Virginia Republican convention, CNN projects.

Get the latest developments and instant analysis now on CNN and CNN.com.

That's from my email

Huckabee wins W.Va. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/index.html)<--link

Huckabee wins W.Va. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/index.html)

You bastard, there was a thread that was made for the Super Tuesday results so we didn't have to have 22 of these monkeys cluttering up the front page, get ye to it!

Doh!!! Me forgot :embarrased:

In an attempt to stave off the inevitable flood of threads come Tuesday, I've decided to create this so we can coalesce all of the results and predictions and yadda yadda yadda.

Well, it didn't work Kyronea

*shakes head* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548955)

Well, it didn't work Kyronea

*shakes head* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548955)

Corny caught his mistake and is asking for the thread to be merged. I think we can safely say this has succeeded. I'd have been amazed if there WASN'T at least one thread before people started pointing the way here.

Huckabee wins W.Va. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/index.html)

Okay, a few notes. First, West Virginia does things early, it's only 3pm over there.

Second-
With 24 states and American Samoa holding primaries or caucuses, Super Tuesday is virtually a national primary day and a pivotal day in the Democratic and Republican races for the White House.
Really? They get a vote, too? Time once again for me to either slap my US Government teacher or my teenage self for either not teaching that or not paying attention. My guess is a little from column A and a little from column B...

"We've been on the phone to see if we can put together a snowmobile patrol to pick people up because the roads in most of the county are impassable," she said.
I would be twice as likely to vote if I got a snowmobile ride in the deal.

Obviously, I don't live where it snows, so this is still novel to me.

It appeared as though supporters of Arizona Sen. John McCain, who placed a distant third on the first ballot, moved over to Huckabee, helping him to carry the day.
I don't think that this is what the pundits in that Colbert montage last night that kept saying "A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain" or however that went. Can't remember now. This would be a lot more relevant if I could...

I don't think that this is what the pundits in that Colbert montage last night that kept saying "A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain" or however that went. Can't remember now. This would be a lot more relevant if I could...

it doesn't matter anyways, since a vote for pretty much anyone is a vote for jon stewart by the transitive property.

Really? They get a vote, too? Time once again for me to either slap my US Government teacher or my teenage self for either not teaching that or not paying attention. My guess is a little from column A and a little from column B.

American Samoa, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Marianas vote in primaries, but not in the general election.

American Samoa, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Marianas vote in primaries, but not in the general election.
Well, I know that now, Mr. Last Week...

Huckabee takes West Virginia

Why not? Nobody was using it. :D

Corny caught his mistake and is asking for the thread to be merged. I think we can safely say this has succeeded. I'd have been amazed if there WASN'T at least one thread before people started pointing the way here.

I know, I just posted as soon as I saw it.

Yet another state to be kicked out of the union...either that or reabsorbed into normal Virginia.

Yet another state to be kicked out of the union...either that or reabsorbed into normal Virginia.
I think 'Normal' should be officially added to Virginia's name so you have to say "Normal Virginia," just as a fuck you to West Virginia.

Not that I know anything about either state or their relations with each other. Just that from this side of the country it would be funny.

Done.

Will you guys please get this election thing over and done with so it doesn't take up all the Oz news broadcasts?:p

like you have any other news to put in its place

Done.

Will you guys please get this election thing over and done with so it doesn't take up all the Oz news broadcasts?:p

Root for clean sweeps in both parties...of course that just will mean it's back to the Democratic/Republican dick waving for the next ten months...


...then four years of bickering about the decision...


...then another election cycle...

We're like the neighbor that leaves the stereo blasting for our dogs while we go to work then fall asleep to the TV at full volume, you'd move if you could but you signed the lease...

Corny caught his mistake and is asking for the thread to be merged. <snip>

Done.

Will you guys please get this election thing over and done with so it doesn't take up all the Oz news broadcasts?:p

This is news? West Virginia is exactly the kind of state where, to a REAL American, thaar be dragons.

Can someone explain something to me?

How is that people believe that Obama is still in the race. I want him to win, rest assured, but I'm looking at the numbers, and Clinton is way ahead in terms of number of delegates.

Am I missing something, as I'm sure I am? Again, I ask thee to forgive an ignorant college boy.

I am super-excited! I just exercised my democratic right to vote in a presidential election for the first time.
For anyone who cares, I voted in my state's Democratic caucus. However, I recognize that, come November, my vote won't count because I think the last time my state voted Democratic was the first time FDR was elected.

Can someone explain something to me?

How is that people believe that Obama is still in the race. I want him to win, rest assured, but I'm looking at the numbers, and Clinton is way ahead in terms of number of delegates.

Am I missing something, as I'm sure I am? Again, I ask thee to forgive an ignorant college boy.

That's only if you count 'Super Delegates' and that's based on how they say they're going at the moment, which could change. Delegates that are tied to primaries or caucuses favor Obama. If that swell continues, the super delegates are likely to change their minds, or catch up. Keep in mind that a whole lot of delegates are about to be decided, so calling it for Clinton now would be a bit like picking the winner of a sporting match after the first quarter.

That's only if you count 'Super Delegates' and that's based on how they say they're going at the moment, which could change. Delegates that are tied to primaries or caucuses favor Obama. If that swell continues, the super delegates are likely to change their minds, or catch up. Keep in mind that a whole lot of delegates are about to be decided, so calling it for Clinton now would be a bit like picking the winner of a sporting match after the first quarter.

Fair enough. Thankee.

As an American of voting age, I should be better informed about such things. But at this moment I'm more concerned with my exams.

PITY ME! :p

I am going to primary in about 3 hours......I have to figure out who to vote for. Help? (it's a closed primary and I am registered republican, I hate them all.)

If you actually care about whom you are voting for: McCain. Seems to be the least evil of them.

If you don't care: Ron Paul. He'd be your "throwaway" candidate. Or you could just spoil the ballot.

Fair enough. Thankee.

As an American of voting age, I should be better informed about such things. But at this moment I'm more concerned with my exams.

PITY ME! :p

After a month of no work I long for the days where my concerns were exams...


Of course, I was a film major, so my exams weren't really all that intense...

I am going to primary in about 3 hours......I have to figure out who to vote for. Help? (it's a closed primary and I am registered republican, I hate them all.)

Can someone explain something to me?

How is that people believe that Obama is still in the race. I want him to win, rest assured, but I'm looking at the numbers, and Clinton is way ahead in terms of number of delegates.

what numbers are you looking at? even counting superdelegtes, its really fucking close, and only a tenth of the way to closing the deal.

If you actually care about whom you are voting for: McCain. Seems to be the least evil of them.

If you don't care: Ron Paul. He'd be your "throwaway" candidate. Or you could just spoil the ballot.

they all irk me to varying amounts. McCain probably irks least though.

Done.

Will you guys please get this election thing over and done with so it doesn't take up all the Oz news broadcasts?:p

We're voting as fast as we can. Thankee, by the way.

So I'm going to the caucus here in Colorado later, but I'm not registered for either party, so I get to just watch. It's annoying.

they all irk me to varying amounts. McCain probably irks least though.

There ya go, then.

Though if it were me, I'd just stay home and wait for the national election. You don't seem to have any vested interest in the Republican party or who they nominate, so there doesn't seem to be much point in participating in their primary unless you have particular feelings in other elections.

I've always hated closed caucaus.

We're voting as fast as we can. Thankee, by the way.

So I'm going to the caucus here in Colorado later, but I'm not registered for either party, so I get to just watch. It's annoying.

Kyro, can you update the OP with the results as they come in? Muchas gracias.

Kyro, can you update the OP with the results as they come in? Muchas gracias.

Sure. As much as I can, anyway.

Ultimately:

President: Hillary Clinton replacing George W.MD Bush
Vice President: Barrack Obama replacing Dick Halliburton Cheney
Secretary of State: John Edwards replacing Gonzosleazy Rice

:D

I don't like any of the republican nominees this time (or last time, or the time before that) in fact I generally don't like them, but it's better for me in local election primaries to be registered as a republican than a democrat ..... also I think we are also voting on other things today so I need to go do that too, and my oldest is super aware that it's super Tuesday and I would be a "bad American" if I didn't go do something

*wastes her vote*

Sounds exactly like my hometown. If you didn't register as a Republican, you essentially had no say in who was elected, and I mean no say. The district was so red Democrats didn't even bother selecting candidates for most things.

There ya go, then.

Though if it were me, I'd just stay home and wait for the national election. You don't seem to have any vested interest in the Republican party or who they nominate, so there doesn't seem to be much point in participating in their primary unless you have particular feelings in other elections.

I've always hated closed caucaus.

I don't like any of the republican nominees this time (or last time, or the time before that) in fact I generally don't like them, but it's better for me in local election primaries to be registered as a republican than a democrat ..... also I think we are also voting on other things today so I need to go do that too, and my oldest is super aware that it's super Tuesday and I would be a "bad American" if I didn't go do something

*wastes her vote*

We should be getting results from Georgia pretty soon.

By the way, my format for the statistics will be:

State(Republican) or State (Democrat)
% Precincts Reporting
Candidate: % Delegates:

That a decent format?

We should be getting results from Georgia pretty soon.

By the way, my format for the statistics will be:

State(Republican) or State (Democrat)
% Precincts Reporting
Candidate: % Delegates:

That a decent format?

Looks good.

Oh goodie. It'll be in alphabetical order by state name, too, with the Democrats first where the state has both primaries.

Five minutes till the polls close in Georgia.

Seriously? The second the polls closed CNN called Georgia for Obama...that seems a bit much...

Yeah, but they're basing it on what they've seen from polls in the state beforehand.

Plus you know the media. They like to be first.

I'll start posting results here and edit occasionally in the first post. I'm not going to constantly edit the first post since results will take a little while.

Very interesting.

Apparently it's just as predicted.

Don’t know if it’s already been posted, but there’s an amusing video here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3314621.ece) of some reactions to Super Tuesday from members of the British public.

Seems most of us care more about pancakes than primaries...

Very interesting.

For people who love early exit polls, why not:

WARNING: EXIT NUMBERS EARLY AND DO NOT REPRESENT ACTUAL VOTES:

OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

EXIT POLLS: 'Change' Trumps 'Experience' 2-1...

(From Drudgereport)

Yeah, but they're basing it on what they've seen from polls in the state beforehand.

Plus you know the media. They like to be first.

That or this:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#GADEM

(From Drudgereport)

As such we can completely ignore these numbers.

As such we can completely ignore these numbers.

That's silly. Exit polls often don't tell the whole story, but Drudgereport doesn't invent them just to mess with you. :p

Me, I'm a fan of exit polls - they made the win in '04 so much sweeter that I'll probably always have a little fondness for them. :)

On the Republican side, its a three way race between Huckabee, Romney, and McCain.

especially California:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-259.html

They have Obama up by 1 point.

My family voted two weeks ago here in California - remember that when considering Obama's recent 'momentum.' I voted today (go Hillary!) but a good chunk voted a while ago. ;)

As such we can completely ignore these numbers.

especially California:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-259.html

They have Obama up by 1 point.

We have our first numbers.

Georgia
0% Precincts Reporting
Obama: 64% Delegates: 9
Clinton: 30% Delegates: 3
Edwards: 5% Delegates: 0

Georgia
0% Precincts Reporting
McCain: 39%
Huckabee: 28%
Romney: 27%
Paul: 5%
Guiliani: 1%

My family voted two weeks ago here in California - remember that when considering Obama's recent 'momentum.' I voted today (go Hillary!) but a good chunk voted a while ago. ;)

Hillary is as much an idiot as Bush is.

Hillary is as much an idiot as Bush is.

Oh, I agree - much more. I simply prefer her as the Dem nominee, that's all.

Anyway, I'm off to watch the returns with a few people - have fun, everyone: it's going to be an interesting night, I do think. :p Back at about 10 Pacific.

McCain 669 36% 0
Huckabee 568 30% 0
Romney 556 30% 0
Paul 53 3% 0
Giuliani 23 1% 0

Huckabee is trailing McCain by 3% points.

According to CNN, Huck and McCain are tied at 35%

I fear Obama will prevail, but I hope that Clinton pulls another upset.

I fear Obama will prevail, but I hope that Clinton pulls another upset.

Um...ok? What upset are we talking about here? What upset has she pulled off?

Um...ok? What upset are we talking about here? What upset has she pulled off?

She was supposed to lose New Hampshire.

Obama and Mccain

Oaklahoma goes to Clinton and Illinois goes to Obama.

On the Reps side CT and IL go McCain and Mass goes to Romney

Alabama is still up for grabs for both sides and Georgia is still up for the Reps.

Um...ok? What upset are we talking about here? What upset has she pulled off?

Well, she 'upset' a lot of people in NYS when she got elected, does that count?

New Jersey goes McCain

Awesome.

So, somehow, according to what information has come in, Ron Paul won Minnisota! With 50% of the vote!

What the hell?
What are you watching.....a news channel from Mongolia?

Minnesota
Caucuses

Updated 1 minute ago

2% reporting

County Results:

Huckabee 45 34% 0 Romney 43 32% 0 Paul 24 18% 0 McCain 20 15% 0 Giuliani 0 0% 0

So, somehow, according to what information has come in, Ron Paul won Minnisota! With 50% of the vote!



What the hell?

Bah, you lied! You lied Knight! :mad:

Well fortunately the racist candidate won't win.

LOL. Please, I have argued with at least 10 people and beaten them all in this argument. Don't even try this shit, and check your sources, please.

I agree with some of his economic views, as they DO have a good amount of merit to them.

The only state Ron Paul will win is the state of dementia.

I voted!

*wears her sticker*

http://caucusresults.sos.state.mn.us/ResultsPreferentialBallot.aspx?ElectionID=1&PartyID=2&ID=7

With 2.4% of Precincts reporting:

Mike Huckabee - 31.73%
Alan Keyes - 0.00%
John McCain - 23.25%
Ron Paul - 17.71%
Mitt Romney - 27.12%
Write-in - 0.18%

I agree with some of his economic views, as they DO have a good amount of merit to them.
Yeah, maybe if your delusional and prefer economic conspiracy theories..

That's still a much higher vote than other states. Odd.

The only state Ron Paul will win is the state of dementia.

Damn, you beat me!

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

Hate freedom eh? guess so, i'd rather keep my constitutional rights than let Whore hillary, Obama hussein, or Mitt fucktard steal it out from under my god damned feet.

And this is the reason i don't browse general, too many libs ruining the party, like someone leaving a nuclear carl in the microwave..

:mp5: I hope that mccain wins, even though i am an anarchist. ron paul would have no chance in the national election and democrats suck man ass.

*watches as Paulbots overwhelm and consume Knights of Liberty*

haha! who are these two?

LOL. Please, I have argued with at least 10 people and beaten them all in this argument. Don't even try this shit, and check your sources, please.

you can't meaningfully win an argument when your position is factually untrue.

haha! who are these two?

Hi, i'm michael, defender of the fucking constitutional rights of americans.
nice to meet you.

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

Hate freedom eh? guess so, i'd rather keep my constitutional rights than let Whore hillary, Obama hussein, or Mitt fucktard steal it out from under my god damned feet.

And this is the reason i don't browse general, too many libs ruining the party, like someone leaving a nuclear carl in the microwave..

Hey look, everyone! It's a member of the Paulitburo!

Isn't he cyuuute?!

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

Hate freedom eh? guess so, i'd rather keep my constitutional rights than let Whore hillary, Obama hussein, or Mitt fucktard steal it out from under my god damned feet.

And this is the reason i don't browse general, too many libs ruining the party, like someone leaving a nuclear carl in the microwave..

Translation: "Waaa waaa, I can't hold my own in an argument, so I'm going to hand-wave and then run away and hide."

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of your incessant, infantile whining.

The only state Ron Paul will win is the state of dementia.

has anyone polled alaska? they are always willing to vote for weirdos.

Translation: "Waaa waaa, I can't hold my own in an argument, so I'm going to hand-wave and then run away and hide."

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of your incessant, infantile whining.

Way to be an internet toughguy, how about i just give you my adress now...woo, we can swing our cocks at each other and see who falls over first.

Call me names, paultard, paulbot, bottard, whatever the hell you children come up with to insult those who make smarter decisions than you, i don't care what you think, all i know is i'm for freedom.

Hi, i'm michael, defender of the fucking constitutional rights of americans.
nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you!

:p

Sorry about not getting in updates as fast as possible. I'm a little overwhelmed here.

I'll start collecting them and posting them though. I'll get to as many states as I can. I'll post again when I've got the results placed in the first post.

Damn my state

IN :mp5:

there is a horrendous storm so i cant even get the updates because of severe weather warnings

Ron Paul doesn't actually have any supporters, the online ones are just products of his 'ronbot' program, an internet macro which creates online identities which spew the same copypasta 'arguments' all over youtube and elsewhere.

Wish i had the link to that video, where they wouldnt allow ron paul to speak at this convention, and about 3 hours of "rontards" pouring through they finally allowed him to speak, hmm...doesn't have supporters you say?

Ron Paul doesn't actually have any supporters, the online ones are just products of his 'ronbot' program, an internet macro which creates online identities which spew the same copypasta 'arguments' all over youtube and elsewhere.

Way to be an internet toughguy, how about i just give you my adress now...woo, we can swing our cocks at each other and see who falls over first.

Call me names, paultard, paulbot, bottard, whatever the hell you children come up with to insult those who make smarter decisions than you, i don't care what you think, all i know is i'm for freedom.

Thankfully the candidate you back doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, and if ru paul ends up running as an Independent, you'll be another vote stolen from the Republicans. I should probably be thanking you, you're making it that much easier for the Dem's to take the White House come November.

Thankfully the candidate you back doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, and if ru paul ends up running as an Independent, you'll be another vote stolen from the Republicans. I should probably be thanking you, you're making it that much easier for the Dem's to take the White House come November.

Dem's taking the white house? Jeez, if i wanted nuclear winter i'd ask for it.

There is no appropriate reason to hate ron paul, atleast i don't see one, please elaborate on why YOU hate him, as i have not heard one sensible reason to hate him yet.

Obama won Delaware, 100% reporting, 53% of the vote. McCain won with 45%.

Dem's taking the white house? Jeez, if i wanted nuclear winter i'd ask for it.

There is no appropriate reason to hate ron paul, atleast i don't see one, please elaborate on why YOU hate him, as i have not heard one sensible reason to hate him yet.

See, that's the cute thing about you Ron Paul supporters. You seem to think that, in order to not vote for him, to object to his views and point them out for their utter stupidity, and to point to his racist beliefs one needs to hate Ron Paul.

Us grown-ups, thankfully, understand that one can do all three of those things, and be right about them, without seething and fuming (like you're doing, by the way) whenever Ronnie's name is mentioned.

The only state Ron Paul will win is the state of dementia.

Nah, I hear he's doing well in Denial, too.

my dad is losing by 5 votes. :(:(:(

Apropos of nothing, I want to mention that this has been the first election I've ever voted in, where I was actually required to identify myself. The requirement for positive id is alive and well in Georgia.

And early returns make it look like many voters are following my strategy of voting for the FairTax by voting for Huckabee. He has about a third of the Republican vote.

See, that's the cute thing about you Ron Paul supporters. You seem to think that, in order to not vote for him, to object to his views and point them out for their utter stupidity, and to point to his racist beliefs one needs to hate Ron Paul.

Us grown-ups, thankfully, understand that one can do all three of those things, and be right about them, without seething and fuming (like you're doing, by the way) whenever Ronnie's name is mentioned.

Cant you see the steam pouring out of my ears? I'm that angry! *GASP!*

Nah, I hear he's doing well in Denial, too.


I hear he's doing great in the state of Common Sense.

Nah, I hear he's doing well in Denial, too.

So he won Egypt now?

So he won Egypt now?

Hehe. That was terrible.

all i know is i'm for freedom.

Well, I'd like to keep a functioning economy, so Ru Paul doesn't seem like a sound choice to me.

Hehe. That was terrible.

I know it was, but what am I?

all i know is i'm for freedom.

Then you shouldn't be supporting someone who has worked very hard to remove it.

Unless, of course, the rights to privacy, freedom of religion, equal protection under the law, and bodily integrity don't count in your "freedom".

There is no appropriate reason to hate ron paul, atleast i don't see one, please elaborate on why YOU hate him, as i have not heard one sensible reason to hate him yet.

Hate is a strong word, but there are all sorts of reasons not to support him. Try the "We the People Act" as a place to start.

So he won Egypt now?

It's about as likely as him winning any US state. (And thank goodness for it.) :p

The only state Ron Paul will win is the state of dementia.
OK, the guy has some frankly unworkable economic policies, seriously needs to re-work his definition of ‘libertarian’, and apparently holds some fairly abhorrent views on race, but ‘dementia’?

Really?

He seems as nuts as many other mainstream politician, and has given some fairly sensible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhAokoMgSDc) views on Iraq that I, broadly, agree with. I don’t share his passions for isolationism or the US’ withdrawal from the UN/ICC, but he makes some sane points.

And I’ve never been comfortable with a blanket generalisation of Paul’s supporters as ‘crazy’ or ‘Paulbots’. Sure, a whole lot of them have fairly underdeveloped, immature political views, but they’re not all crazy.

Wrong? Often. Crazy? No.

Okay, I've got the current results that I have posted.

OK, the guy has some frankly unworkable economic policies, seriously needs to re-work his definition of ‘libertarian’, and apparently holds some fairly abhorrent views on race, but ‘dementia’?

Really?

And I’ve never been comfortable with a blanket generalisation of Paul’s supporters as ‘crazy’ or ‘Paulbots’. Sure, a whole lot of them have fairly underdeveloped, immature political views, but they’re not all crazy.

Wrong? Often. Crazy? No.

I believe this phenomenon is due in part to exaggeration for effect. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)

Okay, I've got the current results that I have posted.
Just by scanning the names at the top of each list, it looks like an Obama/MCain victory in the states reporting so far.

I would have thought Arkansans would have thought twice before tryng to put another Clinton in office.

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

Hate freedom eh? guess so, i'd rather keep my constitutional rights than let Whore hillary, Obama hussein, or Mitt fucktard steal it out from under my god damned feet.

And this is the reason i don't browse general, too many libs ruining the party, like someone leaving a nuclear carl in the microwave..

oh look a paul bot. You know, Paul might have a chance if the majority of his supporters weren't too young to vote, and the rest were not too stoned to find a polling booth.

You are SO a puppet/troll.

BTW- I love how you say you're for freedom, yet you say in your factbook that your nation is a fascist empire.

Well, to be fair, my country's a theocratic dictatorship. Our countries aren't of necessity reflections of our views. Mine was designed to be the polar opposite.

Way to be an internet toughguy, how about i just give you my adress now...woo, we can swing our cocks at each other and see who falls over first.

Call me names, paultard, paulbot, bottard, whatever the hell you children come up with to insult those who make smarter decisions than you, i don't care what you think, all i know is i'm for freedom.

You are SO a puppet/troll.

BTW- I love how you say you're for freedom, yet you say in your factbook that your nation is a fascist empire.

Government:

Head of Empire: Grand Führer Michael Fleischer
(Michael Fleischer, seen here in these two photographs)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...Fleischer1.jpg
(Michael Fleischer, out at a remote military outpost in Rykaria)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...Fleischer2.jpg

Government type: Fascist Empire

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

Hate freedom eh? guess so, i'd rather keep my constitutional rights than let Whore hillary, Obama hussein, or Mitt fucktard steal it out from under my god damned feet.

And this is the reason i don't browse general, too many libs ruining the party, like someone leaving a nuclear carl in the microwave..

We're not "hating on" him. We're laughing at him.

all i know is i'm for freedom.

Let me guess, white male, middle to upper class? If so, then Paul is the perfect candidate for you, because the freedom of white middle class men is very important to Ron Paul. Unfortunatly those are the only freedoms he actually cares about

I believe this phenomenon is due in part to exaggeration for effect. (“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole”)
Partly perhaps, but it often seems more pointed than that.

I love how you say you’re for freedom, yet you say in your factbook that your nation is a fascist empire.
The political bent of one’s NS nation has nothing to do, necessarily, with one’s own politics.

Just ask Trots.

Just by scanning the names at the top of each list, it looks like an Obama/MCain victory in the states reporting so far.

I would have thought Arkansans would have thought twice before tryng to put another Clinton in office.

Well, don't ask me. I know very little about the Arkansas electorate.

The political bent of one’s NS nation has nothing to do, necessarily, with one’s own politics.

Yep, I usually end up with a "Father Knows Best" State, however my political views don't swing that way. Unless of course.. I'm the 'Father'.

Mitt Romney's hair is absolutely fabulous.

My dad lost by 5 votes :(

This election day sucks

I would have thought Arkansans would have thought twice before tryng to put another Clinton in office.

except, you know, the clintons are hugely popular in most places.

Well, to be fair, my country's a theocratic dictatorship. Our countries aren't of necessity reflections of our views. Mine was designed to be the polar opposite.

Yeah, I suppose that's right. I just really wanted to point that out...

Couldn't this be said to dismiss a vote for Clinton, or 'the woman,' as well? I think, as usual, the use of the "PC Boogeyman" is kind of empty here.

Except, the public's seen her as First Lady... out with the old, in with the new.

Why? That makes no sense. Obama will thump anyone just over the 8 years of having a bad Republican. Plus, McCain loves the Iraq war. Over half the country doesn't. McCain would beat Hillary,but not Obama. There's just no way. It would be a tough race though.


That doesn't really make sense. I guess you're referring to open primaries, but still it just isn't going to happen that way. Election sabotage is not that widespread...

The proof, I suppose, will be in who the conventions decide to back and who wins in November.

My dad lost by 5 votes :(

This election day sucks

What?

I hope you're wrong. McCain would be a serious mistake.

FWIW, I hope I'm wrong, too.

As a jokey aside, do you guys ever get tired of red, white and blue?

It’s fucking everywhere! :p

yesterday, I heard that he might win Alaska. Dunno about results today.

What the hell is wrong with Alaska. Didn't they have that lunatic senator who was shouting like a madman?

As a jokey aside, do you guys ever get tired of red, white and blue?

It’s fucking everywhere! :p

Not really.

My dad's a cocky fool. Clinton was ahead in terms of states early on like 3-2. Now Obama is ahead 8-6 and is racking up delegates out west where HIllary didn't even bother.

Seems like all you liberals just fuckinnnnng love to hate on ron paul?

I'm not a liberal and I hate Ron Paul

yesterday, I heard that he might win Alaska. Dunno about results today.

What the hell is wrong with Alaska. Didn't they have that lunatic senator who was shouting like a madman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

She was supposed to lose New Hampshire.

Not really. This is the real "fairy tale" of this election cycle. Before Iowa Hillary had a 10 point lead. Suddenly Obama bounced to 7-10 ahead. The reality was a tight race with Hillary taking it. However, the interesting thing learned from Kucenich's recount, was that hand counts favored all other candidates and negatively impacted Hillary's numbers. The only one who benefited from electronic machines was Hillary. Her lead was less than reported that night. So it was no real big surprise. New Hampshire is a solid Republican state and Hillary is Republican Lite. I'm talking about the real Hillary, not the candidate we see now.

My dad's a cocky fool. Clinton was ahead in terms of states early on like 3-2. Now Obama is ahead 8-6 and is racking up delegates out west where HIllary didn't even bother.

Speaking of cocky fools, Clinton is acting as if she's won it all. Yes, she is projected to win both New York and California, but those two alone are not the huge deciders they are in the actual election.

Dem's taking the white house? Jeez, if i wanted nuclear winter i'd ask for it.

There is no appropriate reason to hate ron paul, atleast i don't see one, please elaborate on why YOU hate him, as i have not heard one sensible reason to hate him yet.

I missed the part where he said he hated him.

you can't meaningfully win an argument when your position is factually untrue.

100% wrong, I defy you to prove otherwise, citing SPECIFIC sources.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

Yeah, that's the guy. What a nut. :headbang:

added later:

found this in related videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lQbOr_mJpE&feature=related

Hillary is ahead in California.

Crap! It can't end like this!

This is like the ending of "Night of the Living Dead" where the hillbilly shoots the black protagonist.

Except, the public's seen her as First Lady... out with the old, in with the new.

'Kay...but that doesn't really address what's been said.

It will be McCain vs. Hillary.

Woohoo! I think I'm about right, and Intrade would agree! (Obama shares are about half of Hillary's, and Romney is nowhere near McCain as I write this.)

oh look a paul bot. You know, Paul might have a chance if the majority of his supporters weren't too young to vote, and the rest were not too stoned to find a polling booth.

Hey hey hey hey, now...no reason to be dragging stoners in on this.

The political bent of one’s NS nation has nothing to do, necessarily, with one’s own politics.

Just ask Trots.

Lol yeah. I think I might as well just change my name to Trots. That's what everyone refers to me as.

Hillary and McCain.

'Cause voters are fucking stupid. Amen.

Obama gave a 'greatest hits' kind of speech there, "Not red states, and blue states, but United States," "What started as a whisper," "Yes We Can"...I almost expected an encore...

all i know is i'm for freedom.and have you ever met someone who is not?

Woohoo! I think I'm about right, and Intrade would agree! (Obama shares are about half of Hillary's, and Romney is nowhere near McCain as I write this.)

but obama won huge. he racked up more state wins, and held close enough that he might even win in delegates in states he didn't win outright. clinton underperformed, and is reduced to bragging about winning states that she has always led in. and he has more money than god and a friendly schedule for the rest of the month.

but obama won huge. he racked up more state wins, and held close enough that he might even win in delegates in states he didn't win outright. clinton underperformed, and is reduced to bragging about winning states that she has always led in. and he has more money than god and a friendly schedule for the rest of the month.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm launching off you)

It seems that no matter what happens people see what they want to see no matter how inconclusive the results are.

Obama gave a 'greatest hits' kind of speech there, "Not red states, and blue states, but United States," "What started as a whisper," "Yes We Can"...I almost expected an encore...

just be glad he isn't doing club remixes yet

just be glad he isn't doing club remixes yet

Spoke too soon... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY)

Can I say it? Is it too early? I'll do it anyway:

Hilldog! :p

Ah, so proud of California for a change. :)

Ah, so proud of California for a change. :)


Hats off to Marin and Plumas for at least trying. Considering this state is infested with social conservatives (once you get out of Los Angeles and San Francisco), however, I predicted a Clinton win also.

Oh well.

McCain vs. Clinton. Might as well swear in President McCain right now. I've heard that the Republican Right hates McCain, but I have a very hard time believing that they hate him more than Clinton. She's gonna unite the Republican Party like only she could. And that sound you hear is all the independents rushing to get McCain '08 signs on their front lawns.

Wow, the Democrats seem to be vested in losing '08 as well. Fox News is reporting the Delegates breakdown as the following

Hillary 624
Obama 518

Mc. Cain 504
Romney 200
Huckabee 160
Paul 9

Wow....

Hats off to Marin and Plumas for at least trying. Considering this state is infested with social conservatives (once you get out of Los Angeles and San Francisco), however, I predicted a Clinton win also.

I could *feel* the eyes rolling at me across the internet (and on this very forum!) for predicting the same - but, it's nice to be vindicated, even if no one will outright say "you called it." Still, it's good to put one's political expertise to good effect, even if for entertainment's sake. :p

McCain vs. Clinton. Might as well swear in President McCain right now. I've heard that the Republican Right hates McCain, but I have a very hard time believing that they hate him more than Clinton. She's gonna unite the Republican Party like only she could. And that sound you hear is all the independents rushing to get McCain '08 signs on their front lawns.

Well, it ain't over yet, even if Hillary won the night. Even the extent of her victory won't quite be known until tomorrow due to our funky proportional process. Either way, people judge Mac too harshly - he'll grow on everyone after the first couple years, I'm confident. :)

Also: I noticed we're back to optical scan voting again. I like it, but the constant back and forth between that and digital is making me dizzy.

Fox News is reporting the Delegates breakdown as the following

Paul 9



Where/how did Paul win delegates?

I would absolutely love to be wrong. Unfortunately, I chose McCain as the Republicans' best hope way back when people were saying his campaign was drying up and blowing away. Now look at him.

Then I had to go and pick Clinton as the Democratic choice.

Damn me and my awesome Nostradamus-like powers. :D

If it's a Hillary and Mc. Cain match up then I think Mc. Cain will win. He can win over the Independents and the Republicans. Hillary can't win over anyone outside of her own party.

Well, it ain't over yet, even if Hillary won the night. Even the extent of her victory won't quite be known until tomorrow due to our funky proportional process.


I would absolutely love to be wrong. Unfortunately, I chose McCain as the Republicans' best hope way back when people were saying his campaign was drying up and blowing away. Now look at him.

Damn me and my awesome Nostradamus-like powers. :D

(EDIT: Although I had picked Giuliani and Romney as most likely to be actually nominated for the Republicans; "should do" and "will do" are two different things after all. I also picked Obama as best hope for the Democrats, even if I figured that Clinton would actually get it. Maybe there is still hope for Obama. Still, both parties doing what they should do all at once? Is it even possible?)

If it's a Hillary and Mc. Cain match up then I think Mc. Cain will win.

Of course he will win. He's a male Republican war hero who happens to not be Hillary Clinton.

From dead last to taking California and New York. It's all over.

Ah, well, McCaine is hardly the worst choice.
I personally voted for Cthulu, since voting for the lesser evil is for wusses.

Of course he will win. He's a male Republican war hero who happens to not be Hillary Clinton.

From dead last to taking California and New York. It's all over.

How bad do you think Hillary would lose in a Hillary and Mc. Cain race?

I would absolutely love to be wrong. Unfortunately, I chose McCain as the Republicans' best hope way back when people were saying his campaign was drying up and blowing away. Now look at him.

Damn me and my awesome Nostradamus-like powers. :D

(EDIT: Although I had picked Giuliani and Romney as most likely to be actually nominated for the Republicans; "should do" and "will do" are two different things after all. I also picked Obama as best hope for the Democrats, even if I figured that Clinton would actually get it. Maybe there is still hope for Obama. Still, both parties doing what they should do all at once? Is it even possible?)

Seems like another example of the final score being:

Pollsters: 0
Regular people who pay attention: 1

:p

Can't say I'm too shocked though.

Seems like another example of the final score being:

Pollsters: 0
Regular people who pay attention: 1

:p

Can't say I'm too shocked though.

Sounds like what happened here. The polls appeared to be tightening near the end of the election campaign here but it ended up being a landslide with the incumbent PM even losing his own seat :D

That hadn't happened since I think the '20s. I believe it was Stanley Melbourne Bruce in that instance, and uncannily he also had tried to muck with the Industrial Relations Commission. (Howard shoved through IR reforms that were severe to put it lightly).

One poll I believe had fairly consistently showed the larger split and held close to that near the end, though.

Actually, it'll probably be really close. Probably because Hillary is basically a Republican except for "universal" "health care," and McCain is basically a Democrat except for continuing the War on Foreigners.

The local ABC T.V. affiliate just reported the Democratic delegate breakdown as follows:

Clinton - 567
Obama - 524

McCain is basically guaranteed for the Republicans, but Obama is right on Clinton's heels. A split in the Democratic Party (a mass swell of independents and Obama supporters away from Clinton) would actually be an even better reason to expect a McCain victory.

Yea, and don't be looking for an Obama and Hillary dream ticket either. As I explained in this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549007)

How bad do you think Hillary would lose in a Hillary and Mc. Cain race?

Actually, it'll probably be really close. Probably because Hillary is basically a Republican except for "universal" "health care," and McCain is basically a Democrat except for continuing the War on Foreigners.

The local ABC T.V. affiliate just reported the Democratic delegate breakdown as follows:

Clinton - 567
Obama - 524

McCain is basically guaranteed for the Republicans, but Obama is right on Clinton's heels. A split in the Democratic Party (a mass swell of independents and Obama supporters away from Clinton to third parties, blank ballots, or McCain) would actually be an even better reason to expect a McCain victory.