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(CNN) — In the latest sign that a conservative backlash is starting to build against John McCain, conservative commentator Ann Coulter said Thursday she is prepared to vote for Hillary Clinton over the Arizona senator in a general election match up.

Speaking on Fox's "Hannity and Colmes," Coulter took aim at the GOP frontrunner, and suggested he was little more than a Republican in name only.

"If you are looking at substance rather than if there is an R or a D after his name, manifestly, if he's our candidate, than Hillary is going to be our girl, because she's more conservative than he is," Coulter said. "I think she would be stronger on the war on terrorism."

Coulter took aim at McCain's positions — particularly his fervent anti-torture stance — and said he and Clinton differ little on the issues. Coulter also said she is prepared to campaign on Clinton's behalf should McCain win the party's nomination.

"John McCain is not only bad for Republicanism, which he definitely is — he is bad for the country," she said.

Coulter is the latest high profile conservative to express dismay with McCain's surging candidacy. Talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday McCain's rise was the product of a 'fractured' conservative base and an "uninspiring" GOP presidential field.

"He is not the choice of conservatives, as opposed to the choice of the Republican establishment — and that distinction is key," Limbaugh continued. "The Republican establishment, which has long sought to rid the party of conservative influence since Reagan, is feeling a victory today as well as our friends in the media."

McCain has long been at odds with conservative members of his party. — Exit polls from the early-primary states have shown the he has consistently lost among those primary voters who identify themselves as conservative. But he passed a key test Tuesday in winning Florida's primary, the first early contest that only allowed registered Republicans to participate.

Reacting to criticisms from his party's most conservative quarters, McCain told the San Francisco Gate Thursday, "I'll continue to reach out to all in the party, try to unite the party, until everybody realizes that the only way we're going to defeat the Democratic candidate is through a united party."


Scarily I semi-agree with the tranny, Hillary is a republican at heart.

Doesn't surprise me; I still can't understand why anybody would want to vote for he in the Democratic primaries.

what is it with republican commentators dissing john mccain? sean hannity doesn like him much either.

the ship has sailed on the true conservatives in the race. no one wanted them. no one WANTS to dig up reagan from his grave, dust him off and put him on the ballot.

whatever these assholes could have done to get a "true scottsman" on the ballot they should have done last year. it does no good to whine about it now, there are no conservatives left running.

idiots.

and isnt coulter the closet democrat if she is trying so hard to get mrs clinton elected?

and yes, if i could figure out a way to wedge one more metaphor into this post i would.

John McCain is not only bad for Republicanism, which he definitely is — he is bad for the country.

Oh, the delicious irony. The black pot dares to remark upon the kettle's navy blue hue.

She just gave me another reason to support McCain and oppose Hillary.

She's been saying stuff like this all week. I wonder if it's a ruse to try and tank Clinton's campaign or if she really means it.

(not that she doesn't like McCain - I totally believe that - but all the semi-praise for Clinton)

Well, it makes sense. What Monica was for Bill, Ann shall be for Hillary :D

I think the conservative commentators and news media are primarily trying to cover thier own ass's by dissing McCain, as they set up Guilani, Thompson and Romney as the frontrunners very early on, and now they're upset that the voting public seems to disagree. They got in a hissy fit about Huckabee too.

Also, of course, they despise his moral stance against torture.

She's been saying stuff like this all week. I wonder if it's a ruse to try and tank Clinton's campaign or if she really means it.

(not that she doesn't like McCain - I totally believe that - but all the semi-praise for Clinton)

It has to be. Coulter's a publicity hound and something like this (OMG Rabid Anti-Democrat Endorses Clinton!) would have the news networks flocking.

what is it with republican commentators dissing john mccain?

he has two problems. firstly there is that whole 'maverick' thing - it isn't really true, but it means that his first instinct isn't in line with the grand conservative vision. and secondly, his maverick thing isn't true. he is a sniveling little sycophant, which means that he does not meet the nigh-on fascist criteria for becoming the next conservative dear leader. he is weak, and thus cannot be the embodiment of glorious national renewal and greatness.

Ann Coulter hates him, Libertarians hate him, the media hates him...

He's obviously pushing the right buttons, whatever else he can be accused of.

Well, it makes sense. What Monica was for Bill, Ann shall be for Hillary :D

Ew...

Ann Coulter hates him? Well she just secured my vote for him :)

Ann Coulter hates him? Well she just secured my vote for him :)

Ann Coulter also hates the terrorists. Are you going to vote for the terrorists? A vote against Ann Coulter's wishes is a vote for

TERRORISM!!

Teehee. I couldn't help myself.

Ann Coulter hates him, Libertarians hate him, the media hates him...

He's obviously pushing the right buttons, whatever else he can be accused of.

that's terrible reasoning. akin to the traditional media's claim that they are doing it right because both conservatives and liberals accuse them of bias. what matters is why somebody hates them. back to the bias in the media angle, the left gets angry at the media for not telling the truth or doing even basic fact checking. the right gets mad at the media because doing so makes the media offer even more rightwing lies without any critical analysis at all.

and, of course, the traditional media fucking love mccain and its silly to suggest otherwise.

Hillary is definitely a bit authoritarian for my tastes, and her famed universal health care proposal wouldn't work across such a broad base. We don't need some nanny person censoring TV, music, and video games and picking more fights with the Middle East. If we wanted that, we should just repeal the 22nd Amendment and elect Bush again.

I hate Bush with a passion. But I would vote for him in 2008 before I would vote for Hillary.

Ann Coulter also hates the terrorists.

ann coulter doesn't hate the terrorists generally. she's a big 'haha, only kidding, but seriously..." fan of terrorism, provided it is aimed in the right direction.

ann coulter doesn't hate the terrorists generally. she's a big 'haha, only kidding, but seriously..." fan of terrorism, provided it is aimed in the right direction.

Yes, I know. T'was part of the humor.

That was a totally fair and balanced claim.

doesn't have to be fair or balanced. truth is what counts.

that's terrible reasoning.
I'm not suggesting he's in any way electable. Merely that the people to whom he isn't electable includes the people that tend to elect poor candidates, so it's at least some sort of good sign. I think that's entirely fair, don't you?

back to the bias in the media angle, the left gets angry at the media for not telling the truth or doing even basic fact checking. the right gets mad at the media because doing so makes the media offer even more rightwing lies without any critical analysis at all..

That was a totally fair and balanced claim.

This is all just one more reason Billary Clinthullu scares me.

Ann Coulter also hates the terrorists. Are you going to vote for the terrorists?
Yes, I was thinking I should. They have the best candy :)



A vote against Ann Coulter's wishes is a vote for

TERRORISM!!

Actually, a vote against Ann Coulter's wishes is a vote for John Edwards' hair. :)

Actually, a vote against Ann Coulter's wishes is a vote for John Edwards' hair. :)

you know, while i know edwards announced that he was dropping out of the race, i don't recall hearing a concession speech from his hair... but even if it did, edwards' hair would make a fine secretary of the treasury.

Yes, I was thinking I should. They have the best candy :)

Actually, a vote against Ann Coulter's wishes is a vote for John Edwards' hair. :)

Hm. Your impressive arguments have won me over, good sir.

Well, it makes sense. What Monica was for Bill, Ann shall be for Hillary :D

:headbang:

^^

= Me trying to beat that image out of my head. Ugh.

Ann Coulter hates him? Well she just secured my vote for him :)

Ann Coulter hates Obama, too. *nodnod* Cuz his middle name is Hussein!

you know, while i know edwards announced that he was dropping out of the race, i don't recall hearing a concession speech from his hair... but even if it did, edwards' hair would make a fine secretary of the treasury.
Wouldn't it be a bit too slick, and thus not trustworthy?

Hm. Your impressive arguments have won me over, good sir.
Good!

*Gives candy*
Ann Coulter hates Obama, too. *nodnod* Cuz his middle name is Hussein!
Not to worry, I can vote several times ;)

Not to worry, I can vote several times ;)

Why? Are you dead?

Not to worry, I can vote several times ;)Why? Are you dead?

chicago had early voting for its primaries this year. unfortunately, the sticker they gave you afterwards just said "i voted" rather than "i voted early". but i assume they did have a different sticker available for your second and third trips to the polls.

Why? Are you dead?

I have undead friends http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-hehe.gif

chicago had early voting for its primaries this year. unfortunately, the sticker they gave you afterwards just said "i voted" rather than "i voted early". but i assume they did have a different sticker available for your second and third trips to the polls.

*Ba-dum tish!*

You know what they say, "Vote early, vote often."

Not to worry, I can vote several times ;)

Do you live in Chicago with several dead people? :p

Democrats who hear this, if they care, will either fear Hillary because Ann Coulter is a lunatic, or they'll like Hillary more because this makes her bi-partisan.

he has two problems. firstly there is that whole 'maverick' thing - it isn't really true, but it means that his first instinct isn't in line with the grand conservative vision. and secondly, his maverick thing isn't true. he is a sniveling little sycophant, which means that he does not meet the nigh-on fascist criteria for becoming the next conservative dear leader. he is weak, and thus cannot be the embodiment of glorious national renewal and greatness.

i understand that.

the problem is that its too fucking late to get someone else. so why diss the man who is 90% likely to get the party's nomination? are they really not going to support him once its sure? and if HE doesnt get it, who will? not a conservative, they are all out of the race.

arent they just going to look like fools when they spend the next 6 months praising mccain as the best choice for president?

i understand that.

the problem is that its too fucking late to get someone else. so why diss the man who is 90% likely to get the party's nomination? are they really not going to support him once its sure?
Why should they bother? It isn't as if any of the Republican candidates really stood a chance this time around anyway.

This actually makes sense, if you think like someone trying to sell Ann Coulter's product (insane, shrieking hatred), rather than like someone who actually gives a crap about the country.

See, Ann Coulter doesn't want a reasonably popular Republican to get elected; that's a lose-lose for her. Either he does well (by crazy-Ann-Coulter-standards), which leaves her with little to say about how liberalism is ruining the country, or he screws up (again, by her wacky standards), which means she has to criticize the reigning Republican - and how many members of her usual audience will listen to that? Neither one offers a lot of fame and fortune for Ann Coulter.

Hillary, though, is pure gold for the insane-shrieking-hatred crowd. She could be the best President in the history of the country, and the Dittoheads would still hate her with a passion - so Coulter and co. have a guaranteed audience for the next 4-8 years.

Ann supports Hilary? I KNEW she was evil! (not saying which "she" I'm referring to ;) )

Why should they bother? It isn't as if any of the Republican candidates really stood a chance this time around anyway.

so you think they will spend the next 6 months working to destroy what is left of the republican party by dissing both the democratic candidate and the republican candidate?

that sure would be biting the hand that feeds them.

Wow, now I can tell my dad choosing McCain over Hillary is a good thing.

Do you live in Chicago with several dead people? :p

Undead people! No more life-bigotry, please! It's not all black and white. Can't we all just get along?

i understand that.

the problem is that its too fucking late to get someone else. so why diss the man who is 90% likely to get the party's nomination? are they really not going to support him once its sure? and if HE doesnt get it, who will? not a conservative, they are all out of the race.

arent they just going to look like fools when they spend the next 6 months praising mccain as the best choice for president?

they may be figuring that they've already pretty much lost anyways, and that mccain is really bad for the fascistic side of the conservative movement. so now they can blame the loss on the "betrayal of conservative principles" that mccain embodies. that sort of a move has a long and glorious history for them.

they may be figuring that they've already pretty much lost anyways, and that mccain is really bad for the fascistic side of the conservative movement. so now they can blame the loss on the "betrayal of conservative principles" that mccain embodies. that sort of a move has a long and glorious history for them.

it will be interesting (in a "ohmygod i dont want to listen to find out kinda way) to see if rush limbaugh starts to back mccain when his win is inevitable or if he will work to destroy the party by dissing the candidate.

With the conservapundits all over the board and McCain or Huckabee heading for the nomination, there is no way the Democrats can lose.

Undead people! No more life-bigotry, please! It's not all black and white. Can't we all just get along?


Sorry, I am just an old fashion type of person. Back in my day, we use to rekill the undead. Boy, how things change. I blame the liberal media and activist judges.

She does? Or was she being sarcastic and facetious? She has a bad habit of doing that.

But either way Clinton is a commie

The same way that black is white

She does? Or was she being sarcastic and facetious? She has a bad habit of doing that.

But either way Clinton is a commie

With the conservapundits all over the board and McCain or Huckabee heading for the nomination, there is no way the Democrats can lose.

You seriously underestimate the power of incompetence!

She does? Or was she being sarcastic and facetious? She has a bad habit of doing that.

But either way Clinton is a commie

You've just forfeited your chance at being taken seriously by anyone. Ever.

She does? Or was she being sarcastic and facetious? She has a bad habit of doing that.

But either way Clinton is a commie

Clinton is a statist, but a statist is not necessarily a commie.

You seriously underestimate the power of incompetence!

Reference to 2000 and 2004! :)

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Scarily I semi-agree with the tranny, Hillary is a republican at heart.
Either of them will do whatever they need to do to get votes. After they're elected? Who knows what they'll do. I don't trust either and I hope we elect a strong Congress that will stand up to them. The best combination would be Hilliary in the White House and an obstructionist Republican Congress.

Reference to 2000 and 2004! :)

I was thinking particularly of 04. 2000, seriously, Al Gore was so fucking bland it was a crapshoot as to who to elect.

With the conservapundits all over the board and McCain or Huckabee heading for the nomination, there is no way the Democrats can lose.

I thought it was supposed to be either McCain or Romney?

Why does anyone listen to Ann Coulter anymore?

Why does anyone listen to Ann Coulter anymore?

We get bored. :p

Why does anyone listen to Ann Coulter anymore?

Because it's funny?
(in a sad way)

what is it with republican commentators dissing john mccain? sean hannity doesn like him much either.

the ship has sailed on the true conservatives in the race. no one wanted them. no one WANTS to dig up reagan from his grave, dust him off and put him on the ballot.

whatever these assholes could have done to get a "true scottsman" on the ballot they should have done last year. it does no good to whine about it now, there are no conservatives left running.

idiots.

and isnt coulter the closet democrat if she is trying so hard to get mrs clinton elected?

and yes, if i could figure out a way to wedge one more metaphor into this post i would.

Even I have to agree that Ann Coulter's gone over the top this time :eek:

As a long-time Giuliani backer, I've had to re-evaluate who to vote for. Despite Rudy's backing McCain, I am not at all happy with McCain's positions on a large number of issues.

HOWEVER, Republicans, especially conservatives, should recall President Reagan's advice: if someone agrees with me 70% of the time, he's my friend, not my enemy. Not to mention the 11th Commandment.

The more I think about it, the more it boils down to who will make the best wartime President (needless to say, no Donkocrat qualifies). And on this point, the candidates' reactions to Benazir Bhutto's murder say something. IIRC, Romney basically said he'd consult with various advisors before making any decision, while McCain basically said, "Hunt 'em down and kill 'em."

So on Super Tuesday, I may just vote for McCain, look as happy as I can doing it, support him when he's right and oppose him when I disagree with him. 70% is better than 0%.

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Scarily I semi-agree with the tranny, Hillary is a republican at heart.

Wow. That pretty much secures my vote for McCain. ;)

She does? Or was she being sarcastic and facetious? She has a bad habit of doing that.

But either way Clinton is a commie

Hill 'o Beans may not be an actual Red, but she's definitely a hard-core leftist trying to fool the public into thinking she's a centrist.

Ann Coulter hates Obama, too. *nodnod* Cuz his middle name is Hussein!



You sure its not just cause hes black?

I am not at all happy with McCain's positions on a large number of issues.




You and Ann? Wow, maybe I need to give McCain another look. If right wing crazies hate him, he cant be all bad.

You sure its not just cause hes black?

That and he's a "raghead". Coulter has fangs in her vagina.

Hill 'o Beans may not be an actual Red, but she's definitely a hard-core leftist trying to fool the public into thinking she's a centrist.

If she was really anywhere the left wing she would be a non-entity in American politics.

You and Ann? Wow, maybe I need to give McCain another look. If right wing crazies hate him, he cant be all bad.

You really don't read things before you reply to them, do you?

So on Super Tuesday, I may just vote for McCain, look as happy as I can doing it, support him when he's right and oppose him when I disagree with him. 70% is better than 0%.

Sorry, I am just an old fashion type of person. Back in my day, we use to rekill the undead. Boy, how things change. I blame the liberal media and activist judges.

You're just too darn conservative! Embrace the alternative unlifestyles!

You really don't read things before you reply to them, do you?


I dont care if your voting for him or not, Im commenting that you said you disagree with him on a lot, meaning I probably agree with him on more than I thought.

So on Super Tuesday, I may just vote for McCain, look as happy as I can doing it, support him when he's right and oppose him when I disagree with him. 70% is better than 0%.

Damn it! Now I don't know who to vote for... :(

After this post I guess I need to turn democrat. Gah! So much paperwork...

As a registered Republican it sickens and disgusts me that McCain hasn't been buried up to his neck in shit yet. He does not deserve the nomination of any rational American party, yet as the darling of the media he continues to surge in the polls as the sheeple continue to flock towards him in droves.

At this rate I will vote for Obama over McCain. Obama's idealism will be crushed when met with the reality of the broken machine that is Washington, whereas McCain is actually dangerous. He knows the machine inside and out - he has been a part of it for 30 years now. He can get his twisted, perverted agendas done, and he will destroy what remains of America in the process.

[/McCain Rant]

If she was really anywhere the left wing she would be a non-entity in American politics.

Mitanni's definition of hard core leftist is anyone left of Ray-gun.

McCain nearly joined the Democratic party. I know Democrats are saying that but with his record I have no doubt about it.
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

And he approached Kerry about being his VP “John Kerry: McCain Approached Me About Joining Dem Ticket in 2004”
http://mydd.com/story/2007/4/3/11936/97033

If McCain wins the Republican nomination it doesn’t matter who wins the Democratic nomination because there isn’t a lick of difference in the political philosophy of McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

McCain nearly joined the Democratic party. I know Democrats are saying that but with his record I have no doubt about it.
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

And he approached Kerry about being his VP “John Kerry: McCain Approached Me About Joining Dem Ticket in 2004”
http://mydd.com/story/2007/4/3/11936/97033

If McCain wins the Republican nomination it doesn’t matter who wins the Democratic nomination because there isn’t a lick of difference in the political philosophy of McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

supposing that to be true....

would YOU vote for mrs clinton instead of john mccain or stay home so that someone else can elect her to the presidency?

I used to like McCain. I kinda soured on him in this election cycle because he gave in on a lot of his key issues. Now that Limbaugh, C**ter and Hannity are upset with him, I am starting to like him a little more now.

supposing that to be true....

would YOU vote for mrs clinton instead of john mccain or stay home so that someone else can elect her to the presidency?

If it comes down to McCain and either Obama or Clinton, I will vote for a third party candidate if I feel that candidate is the best candidate. If there is no third party candidate or if I don't feel the the third party candidate is the best, I will probably not vote for president. But, I will vote for other offices. Under no circumstances will I stay home. There are other offices and issues on the ballot.

Isn't it amazing that all these conservative talk show hosts can do is badmouth the candidate that their listeners seem to support?

What audience, then, do they actually serve?

Isn't it amazing that all these conservative talk show hosts can do is badmouth the candidate that their listeners seem to support?

What audience, then, do they actually serve?

My guess:

The voices in their own heads.

Hill 'o Beanshttp://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-lolani.gif
For once you actually said something funny instead of just stupid and cruel.

may not be an actual Red, but she's definitely a hard-core leftist trying to fool the public into thinking she's a centrist.
Uh, no. No she's not.

Which only shows that they are independent thinkers and aren't afraid to voice their opinions, whether or not they are popular with any given segment of the public.

BTW: Michael Medved supports McCain, so it isn't all conservative talk show hosts who "badmouth" him.


Independent, in a crowd? Like all the kids who dress in black and lace and leather and spikes, with black nail polish and lipstick and eyeliner, just to be different?

Or it means they are seriously out of touch with their target audience, who will look elsewhere for their radio fix if they perceive that they are being attacked for their choice.

Naming one conservative host who supports him fails to negate my point that all THESE hosts (you know, the ones we were talking about in this particular thread) are badmouthing him.

Isn't it amazing that all these conservative talk show hosts can do is badmouth the candidate that their listeners seem to support?

What audience, then, do they actually serve?

im gonna go with this explanation:

I think the conservative commentators and news media are primarily trying to cover thier own ass's by dissing McCain, as they set up Guilani, Thompson and Romney as the frontrunners very early on, and now they're upset that the voting public seems to disagree. They got in a hissy fit about Huckabee too.

Also, of course, they despise his moral stance against torture.

the conservative talk show hosts (CTSH) think of themselves as king makers. they decide who will win elections. they get their listeners riled up and tell them how to vote. these votes swing the elections their way.

now that this has been shown to not be true the CTSH are playing a game of sour grapes. mccain isnt good enough because they didnt back him. if they cant get their candidate then NO republican should win. they dont deserve it.

if all the CTSH can do is to destroy the party by having massive numbers of their listeners either not vote or vote outside the party, they win.

and there is the added bonus of not having to work on show prep for the next 4 years of having a democrat in the whitehouse. hillary as president will be a boon to their ratings.

Isn't it amazing that all these conservative talk show hosts can do is badmouth the candidate that their listeners seem to support?

Which only shows that they are independent thinkers and aren't afraid to voice their opinions, whether or not they are popular with any given segment of the public.

BTW: Michael Medved supports McCain, so it isn't all conservative talk show hosts who "badmouth" him.

now that this has been shown to not be true the CTSH are playing a game of sour grapes.

Dumb question from an old man. If all the CTSH hosts are so bad, why do they still stay on the air? Better yet, where are all the Liberal Talk Show Hosts (LTSH)? A few tried and they mostly died.

Maybe, just maybe more people in this country are conservatives than liberals would like to admit. Or maybe, just maybe no one wants to listen to LTSH because they have nothing substantive to add to the political debate?

Although I am no longer a Republican, I could have supported Duncan Hunter, Rudi Giuliani, or Fred Thompson. They are no longer in the race so I could support Romney but there is no way I can support McCain.

If elected, John McCain will be the first Republican Democrat ever elected. L

Dumb question from an old man. If all the CTSH hosts are so bad, why do they still stay on the air? Better yet, where are all the Liberal Talk Show Hosts (LTSH)? A few tried and they mostly died.

Maybe, just maybe more people in this country are conservatives than liberals would like to admit. Or maybe, just maybe no one wants to listen to LTSH because they have nothing substantive to add to the political debate?

Although I am no longer a Republican, I could have supported Duncan Hunter, Rudi Giuliani, or Fred Thompson. They are no longer in the race so I could support Romney but there is no way I can support McCain.

If elected, John McCain will be the first Republican Democrat ever elected. L

they CTSH are bad but their listeners like them. so they stay onthe air.

whats that got to do with anything?

the country may seem to you to be very conservative but if the republican base isnt interested in nominating a conservative for president, there is something wrong with your analysis.

Redistributionism is not socialism just to confirm, it's just a welfare type position in which the person thinks capitalism is best regulated and the rich taxed to assure the common people have good conditions etc. It's ultimately a wrong position because it assumes that social gains can be made while keeping the bourgeois classes intact, and that the bourgeois will not eventually reverse entirely any progressive gains, thus it rejects Marx's analysis of revolution and class.

they CTSH are bad but their listeners like them. so they stay onthe air.

whats that got to do with anything?

Well, if people didn't listen to them, companies wouldn’t advertise and they would be off the air. Seems that happened to most LTSH.

the country may seem to you to be very conservative but if the republican base isn't interested in nominating a conservative for president, there is something wrong with your analysis.

There is a difference between the Republican conservative base and the Conservative base and there was no candidate that appealed to both. :(

I don't want either party elected. I am fed up with "politics as usual." I am tired of being lied to by both parties. I'm looking for a real leader. Someone like Truman or Regan.

I'm liking McCain more every day. This frightens me.

There is a difference between the Republican conservative base and the Conservative base and there was no candidate that appealed to both. :(

I don't want either party elected. I am fed up with "politics as usual." I am tired of being lied to by both parties. I'm looking for a real leader. Someone like Truman or Regan.

Aside from the bit about Truman or Reagan, very much agreed.

Aside from the bit about Truman or Reagan, very much agreed.

Most people who feel nostalgic about Reagan don't know any of the details of his many criminal adventures.

Most people who feel nostalgic about Reagan don't know any of the details of his many criminal adventures.

That would certainly make sense.

Most people who feel nostalgic about Reagan don't know any of the details of his many criminal adventures.

And most of the people who feel that way never lived during the Regan area. :rolleyes:

Dumb question from an old man. If all the CTSH hosts are so bad, why do they still stay on the air? Better yet, where are all the Liberal Talk Show Hosts (LTSH)? A few tried and they mostly died.

Maybe, just maybe more people in this country are conservatives than liberals would like to admit. Or maybe, just maybe no one wants to listen to LTSH because they have nothing substantive to add to the political debate?If elected, John McCain will be the first Republican Democrat ever elected. L

Or maybe liberals know they're right, and are secure enough in the knowledge that they are right that they don't feel the need to listen to people telling them how right they are. Conservatives, on the other hand, seem so insecure in their own beliefs that they become greatly uncomfortable with the idea of listening to someone who disagree with them and thus flock to those who will tell them what they want to hear, and ignore all the rest.

And most of the people who feel that way never lived during the Regan area. :rolleyes:

Ironic, seeing as their living with his legacy and paying for it today.

Or maybe liberals know they're right, and are secure enough in the knowledge that they are right that they don't feel the need to listen to people telling them how right they are. Conservatives, on the other hand, seem so insecure in their own beliefs that they become greatly uncomfortable with the idea of listening to someone who disagree with them and thus flock to those who will tell them what they want to hear, and ignore all the rest.

No to generalize too much, but many conservatives are downright dogmatic, I knew some in uni who when you confronted them (for example on their homophobia), they wouldn't have any of it, they tend to lean towards imposing absolutes.

No to generalize too much, but many conservatives are downright dogmatic, I knew some in uni who when you confronted them (for example on their homophobia), they wouldn't have any of it, they tend to lean towards imposing absolutes.

Oh, please. People of all political ideaologies do this, not just American conservatives.

As for why American liberal radio did not succeed, it's simply market pressure. CTSH's are shock jocks. They do their best to wind their audience into hanging onto their every word.

The LTSH's on the other hand, don't do that. (Apart from that one woman...the one whom I consider to be an American liberal version of Ann Coulter because she's just as disgustingly hateful and just as stupidly ignorant.)

im gonna go with this explanation:



the conservative talk show hosts (CTSH) think of themselves as king makers. they decide who will win elections. they get their listeners riled up and tell them how to vote. these votes swing the elections their way.

now that this has been shown to not be true the CTSH are playing a game of sour grapes. mccain isnt good enough because they didnt back him. if they cant get their candidate then NO republican should win. they dont deserve it.

if all the CTSH can do is to destroy the party by having massive numbers of their listeners either not vote or vote outside the party, they win.

and there is the added bonus of not having to work on show prep for the next 4 years of having a democrat in the whitehouse. hillary as president will be a boon to their ratings.

Again: not every "CTSH" opposes McCain.

Furthermore, I would bet that the vast majority of them will support whoever the eventual Republican nominee is, even if they aren't very enthusiastic about it, because any Republican is preferably to the Donkocrat alternative. Hugh Hewitt, for one, has repeatedly stated that he will enthusiastically support McCain if he is the nominee, even though he's a long-time Romney supporter.

It's just silly to contend that the "CTSH"'s actually would want to facilitate the national disaster that a Donkocrat administration would represent, simply to somehow boost their own ratings. I submit that every one of them is more concerned with the well-being of the country than with whatever ratings increase would ensue due to the Donks taking the White House.

McCain nearly joined the Democratic party. I know Democrats are saying that but with his record I have no doubt about it.
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html
Yeah... because it had nothing to do with his anger at the dirty campaign George Bush & Co had been responsible for, and the Republican party had condoned and rewarded.

If McCain wins the Republican nomination it doesn’t matter who wins the Democratic nomination because there isn’t a lick of difference in the political philosophy of McCain, Clinton, or Obama.
...

Are you serious? There won't be any difference?

*Sigh*

Next thing you know you'll warn us of how communist McCain is. :rolleyes:

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Thanks God Bush is to the right of these people...
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Again: not every "CTSH" opposes McCain.

Furthermore, I would bet that the vast majority of them will support whoever the eventual Republican nominee is, even if they aren't very enthusiastic about it, because any Republican is preferably to the Donkocrat alternative. Hugh Hewitt, for one, has repeatedly stated that he will enthusiastically support McCain if he is the nominee, even though he's a long-time Romney supporter.

It's just silly to contend that the "CTSH"'s actually would want to facilitate the national disaster that a Donkocrat administration would represent, simply to somehow boost their own ratings. I submit that every one of them is more concerned with the well-being of the country than with whatever ratings increase would ensue due to the Donks taking the White House.


there is a difference between saying "you know guys, i think you are favoring the wrong candidate, romney is a much better representative of our conservative ideals" and "mccain is so bad its better to vote for hillary clinton"

and other ways in which they are trying to assassinate mccain's character.

they cant take it back later without looking like fools.

besides, romney ISNT conservative. to say that he is ideologically better than mccain is just wrong. romney is a pragmatist who would set about fixing the things that bush fucked up. he's not an ideologue who would waste time and effort promoting things (like banning abortion) that will never get past congress.

And most of the people who feel that way never lived during the Regan area. :rolleyes:

i find that most of the people who feel that way DID live--as adults--in the reagan era. he's got nothing but praise ever since. no one ever mentions that he sold arms to iran in exchange for help with our hostages in lebanon.

he should have been tried for treason.

And most of the people who feel that way never lived during the Regan area. :rolleyes:

I certainly did. He was a charismatic leader, I'll give him that -- but given that he was a movie star in a previous career, that's no shock.

He wasn't the worst leader we've had, but he was by no means the best, either.

i find that most of the people who feel that way DID live--as adults--in the reagan era. he's got nothing but praise ever since. no one ever mentions that he sold arms to iran in exchange for help with our hostages in lebanon.

he should have been tried for treason.

Shhhh, we don't talk about Iran-Contra or General North anymore....

Which only shows that they are independent thinkers and aren't afraid to voice their opinions, whether or not they are popular with any given segment of the public.

BTW: Michael Medved supports McCain, so it isn't all conservative talk show hosts who "badmouth" him.

Also, Michael Medved is much saner than most other talk show hosts. And while I don't know his opinion on the other CTSHs, I can recall a scathing description of Michael Savage given by his daughter Shayna...

...I should probably mention that not only have I met Michael Medved, I attended school with his children?