NationStates Jolt Archive


Hypocrisy. . . .

Dontletmedown
31-01-2008, 15:23
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?

Social conservatives are against abortion rights.
Social conservatives are against gun control.
Social conservatives are for war.
Social conservatives are for the death penalty.

They always thump the bible and claim to support human dignity and human life but they clearly support things that are antithetical to life-guns war and death penalties.

Dob't get me wrong, I am against gun control but I'm also against wars and the death penalty. I'm pro choice on abortion. I guess I'm pro choice on everyting. :)

http://www.pro-choicelibertarians.net/
Dontgonearthere
31-01-2008, 15:43
Its because theyre communists.
[NS]Click Stand
31-01-2008, 15:44
Some of the candidates support those, some don't. Calling hypocrisy on each individual is easier.
New Drakonia
31-01-2008, 15:44
Its because theyre communists.

And liberals.
Dontletmedown
31-01-2008, 15:47
*yawn*

This is like...old school stuff. Way back in the day...like...yeah. Whoa...dude...what's that you put in my drink...roofies...shit...

*collapses*

I'm all for the legalization of drugs. It's your body and life after all.
Andaluciae
31-01-2008, 15:50
*yawn*

This is like...old school stuff. Way back in the day...like...yeah. Whoa...dude...what's that you put in my drink...roofies...shit...

*collapses*
Hamilay
31-01-2008, 16:14
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?

Spend a couple more days here and get back to this.
Andaluciae
31-01-2008, 16:15
I'm all for the legalization of drugs. It's your body and life after all.

You do realize what roofies are, don't you? They're not just any drug, they're the "date rape drug."
Potarius
31-01-2008, 16:16
*yawn*

This is like...old school stuff. Way back in the day...like...yeah. Whoa...dude...what's that you put in my drink...roofies...shit...

*collapses*

*carries you away and puts you in a locked room, safe from Ruffy*
Bottle
31-01-2008, 16:17
Hypocritical Republicans? Yeah, right. Next you'll be telling me they've invented some sort of horseless carriage!
HSH Prince Eric
31-01-2008, 18:10
Is it hypocritical to support abortion and be against the death penalty?

I never hear that question raised in these rants.

I don't see how being against abortion, if you believe that it is a sentient life is the same as supporting death for violent criminals. I support abortion by the way.
Trotskylvania
31-01-2008, 18:19
*carries you away and puts you in a locked room, safe from Ruffy*

*picks lock*

Oh Ruffy!
Kamsaki-Myu
31-01-2008, 18:20
And liberals.
Libracommupublicans?

(I love word fusion. ^^)
HotRodia
31-01-2008, 18:22
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?

Social conservatives are against abortion rights.
Social conservatives are against gun control.
Social conservatives are for war.
Social conservatives are for the death penalty.

They always thump the bible and claim to support human dignity and human life but they clearly support things that are antithetical to life-guns war and death penalties.

Dob't get me wrong, I am against gun control but I'm also against wars and the death penalty. I'm pro choice on abortion. I guess I'm pro choice on everyting. :)

Fascists are pro-choice on everything too. They like the state to have the choice of whether or not to kill you, whether or not to allow you to bear arms, whether or not to go to war, and whether or not a fetus will live.

Consistency isn't necessarily a great thing.
Deus Malum
31-01-2008, 18:22
Hypocritical Republicans? Yeah, right. Next you'll be telling me they've invented some sort of horseless carriage!

Don't show your ignorance. Horseless carriages have been around for a long time. Since the Stone Age, even. Just get a copy of the documentary films about that time period. I believe they are colloquially referred to as "The Flinstones."
Plotadonia
31-01-2008, 20:28
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?

Social conservatives are against abortion rights.
Social conservatives are against gun control.
Social conservatives are for war.
Social conservatives are for the death penalty.

They always thump the bible and claim to support human dignity and human life but they clearly support things that are antithetical to life-guns war and death penalties.

Dob't get me wrong, I am against gun control but I'm also against wars and the death penalty. I'm pro choice on abortion. I guess I'm pro choice on everyting. :)

http://www.pro-choicelibertarians.net/

You're assuming 1) that social conservatives believe a right to life is unconditional, and 2) that they agree with you about the "worthlessness" of this war, or that it is about oil. You are wrong on both accounts.

I actually agree with you about the social conservatives having an out of touch belief with regards to social issues, but it's not so much hypocritical as it is out of line with simple facts about human nature, the nature of sexuality et cetera, and completely unenforceable, impractical, and generally a cocaine dream, and like such stupid utopian visions (Communism for instance), will always result in more death, more destruction, and more suffering then it found the world with.

God may want us to believe in him, but as Jesus stated to Satan in the desert when he asked him to prove he was God by jumping off a cliff: "Do not tempt the Lord your God." This applies just as much to making a stupid decision with regards to making the world perfect as it does to jumping off a building and expecting God to save you.
Hoyteca
31-01-2008, 20:40
Well, they figure if criminals are going to get guns, then the average Joe should get guns too. Regulating anything that could kill someone, like guns, knives, sharpened pencils, cords, pillows (suffocation), hammers, etc. would just make the black market more profitable. I guess they figure it would be unethical to "protect" the populous from stuff that used to weed out the stupid and the unfortunate. Mostly the stupid. God didn't invent natural selection so that those homo God-hating pinko-commies could kill it like some sick, rabid animal at a hunting convention.

Just different views of ethics and stuff.
Laerod
31-01-2008, 20:41
Is it hypocritical to support abortion and be against the death penalty?

I never hear that question raised in these rants.

I don't see how being against abortion, if you believe that it is a sentient life is the same as supporting death for violent criminals. I support abortion by the way.Well, it's hypocritical if you claim to be pro-life.

Just like talking about creating a culture of life sounds hypocritical out of the mouth of the Texecutioner.
Firstistan
31-01-2008, 20:46
Besides, for every hypocritical Republican, there's an equal or more hypocritical Democrat.

Like, every wealthy Democrat who doesn't give away more money than he pays in taxes. Taxes are a LOWER limit on charitable giving, there is no upper limit. Feed the poor - sell your computer and XBox.

Every "environmentalist" who gets all NIMBY about wind farms.

Every self-proclaimed "feminist" who voted for the Serial Adulterer and/or the Drowner.

Every person in favor of "sane" government who rooted for Kucinich.

and so on, and so on, and so on...
Straughn
01-02-2008, 08:02
Don't show your ignorance. Horseless carriages have been around for a long time. Since the Stone Age, even. Just get a copy of the documentary films about that time period. I believe they are colloquially referred to as "The Flinstones."

There's some scuttlebutt that Flintstone was doing some kind of embezzlement or something. Check out Wilma's rocks. <.<
>.>
Straughn
01-02-2008, 08:03
Besides, for every hypocritical Republican, there's an equal or more hypocritical Democrat.

Wrong. Your proportion is off.
Straughn
01-02-2008, 08:06
God may want us to believe in him, but as Jesus stated to Satan in the desert when he asked him to prove he was God by jumping off a cliff: "Do not tempt the Lord your God." Well, it could also have something to do with Job, or perhaps those many many bloodthirsty (and even coprophilic) incidences where God felt like he was gettin' dissed.
Mirkai
01-02-2008, 08:23
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?


There's a wall in my house between the living room and the kitchen.

Sometimes I take a nap on the couch and get a really dry mouth. When I wake up, the quickest route to the kitchen (and the fridge of cola within) is going right through that wall. So I could attempt that feat, bashing myself repeatedly against the wall until I'm bloody and sore, and maybe a few head-wounds short of death I'll burst through it like a fleshy, opaque Kool-aid man.

Or I could use the doorway that's near the corner to go around that wall. It doesn't address the problem of the wall being there, it means I have to go out of my way to avoid the place where that wall congregates and, sure, I have to live with the knowledge that there is a poorly placed, frustrating wall in my home. But I don't end up with a bleeding headache and a hatred for my own living room.

That, in essence, is why I avoid pointing out their own hypocrisy to conservatives.
Der Teutoniker
01-02-2008, 08:23
You're assuming 1) that social conservatives believe a right to life is unconditional, and 2) that they agree with you about the "worthlessness" of this war, or that it is about oil. You are wrong on both accounts.

I agree with you. I'm conservative for example, I support a pro-life stance, I oppose (for the most part) stringent gun control laws, and I am pro-war (in some cases).

I do not personally support the death penalty, but that is from a religious perspective, similar to my support of pro-life ideology.

War, on the other hand, is... well it's on the other hand, I agree with the war in Iraq because it removed a violent dictator from slaughtering any more of his people, and while we let people like that reign, we are as much accessories to their crimes as is any bystander in any crime.

When someone joins the military, or signs up to go to war, they understand theat their life might be forfeit, this can most definately be a sad thing, I do not however feel that unborn babies should have the same lack of consideration as soldiers who fought for the Nazi cause... in fact, that would be close to hypocrisy.

I am against stringent gun control laws, not out of disrespect for human life (seriously, throwing that in there was not very smart), freedoms, and death are not related. Merely because I feel that law-abiding citizens should have the right to own guns does not mean that I disrespect life. In fact it would suggest that I value the life of law-abiding citizens, if they should use the guns for their protection against violent criminals, and it becomes a 'who should live' matter, then by all means the one that should live should be the one who follows the laws, and kills out of self-defence, not criminal activity.
Der Teutoniker
01-02-2008, 08:28
That, in essence, is why I avoid pointing out their own hypocrisy to conservatives.

Perhaps it is just me... but your analogy is found terribly wanting. A wall's existence is why you refrain form pointing out hypocrisy? Ok, I don't get it.
PelecanusQuicks
01-02-2008, 08:33
Why does no one ever call the GOP on the blatant hypocrisy they display almost every time they open thier mouthes?

Social conservatives are against abortion rights.
Social conservatives are against gun control.
Social conservatives are for war.
Social conservatives are for the death penalty.

They always thump the bible and claim to support human dignity and human life but they clearly support things that are antithetical to life-guns war and death penalties.

Dob't get me wrong, I am against gun control but I'm also against wars and the death penalty. I'm pro choice on abortion. I guess I'm pro choice on everyting. :)

http://www.pro-choicelibertarians.net/

Interesting there is a "they" in all this. I have to wonder who "they" is actually. I don't know any conservatives that share all these views. Most that I know are like me and "they" share some of these views.

Seems like you don't even share all the contrasting views, you exclude yourself from gun control for example. So are you one of the "they" just because you espouse one of the thoughts, or is it an all or nothing deal?

Just curious.

Btw generalizing is really silly.
Hoyteca
01-02-2008, 08:58
Wrong. Your proportion is off.

How do you figure?
Andaras
01-02-2008, 09:05
Click Stand;13413148']Some of the candidates support those, some don't. Calling hypocrisy on each individual is easier.
Something called party discipline.
Sagittarya
01-02-2008, 09:06
Is it hypocritical to support abortion and be against the death penalty?

I never hear that question raised in these rants.

I don't see how being against abortion, if you believe that it is a sentient life is the same as supporting death for violent criminals. I support abortion by the way.


Yeah but the same pro-life conservatives have no problem dropping bombs that have killed Iraqi mothers and their unborn children.
Der Teutoniker
01-02-2008, 09:11
Yeah but the same pro-life conservatives have no problem dropping bombs that have killed Iraqi mothers and their unborn children.

True... and no doubt the intent there was abortion of the fetus. [/sarcasm]

Though it is true, civilian casualties are a part of war... at least we aren't letting the Kurds get a strong whiff of the Saren, like Saddam was... or was that more ok because he was evil?
Mirkai
01-02-2008, 09:30
Perhaps it is just me... but your analogy is found terribly wanting. A wall's existence is why you refrain form pointing out hypocrisy? Ok, I don't get it.

Okay, that's why I avoid talking to hard-line conservatives in general. They're obtuse, they're annoying, but pretending they don't exist is much easier than the headache I get from trying to make them see some sort of logic.

So yes, it's just you. My wallegory was brilliant.