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Since Guiliani dedicated everything he had to Florida and got hosed by McCain and Romney, we have lost 9/11, I mean Bush-lite, I mean Guiliani from the race. The problem is everyone seems to have suddenly forgotten why they didn't like McCain - he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.

Since it is looking like McCain is going to win the nomination (which is sad because he got hosed by Bush Sr for the past 8 years, let's all thank Romney being Mormon), would the Democratic party be stupid enough to put Clinton in the main running (regardless of if she won Super Tuesday)?

Of course the democrats would be stupid if they put up Clinton has their nominee.

Whoever wins, everybody loses:)

It comes down to McCain vs Clinton, I'd have to give it some serious thought but I think I'd go for McCain.

Whoever wins, everybody loses:)

Yay democracy!

But seriously, McCain is a lot better than you paint him to be. How could he support everything Bush does when he disagrees on major policies with him?

I also doubt that he would perform first strikes on "random" nations.

Since Guiliani dedicated everything he had to Florida and got hosed by McCain and Romney, we have lost 9/11, I mean Bush-lite, I mean Guiliani from the race. The problem is everyone seems to have suddenly forgotten why they didn't like McCain - he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.

Since it is looking like McCain is going to win the nomination (which is sad because he got hosed by Bush Sr for the past 8 years, let's all thank Romney being Mormon), would the Democratic party be stupid enough to put Clinton in the main running (regardless of if she won Super Tuesday)?

I didn't like Guiliani, I like Romney less. Guiliani's endorsement goes to McCain, who I'd rather see in office than Romney (not by much). This is alright in my books.

Whoever wins, everybody loses:)

Yes, but the real question is which one is the Queen and which the Predator?
(yes, i'm a big enough geek to recognize the tagline)

I think McCain only has a shot against Clinton, but I think they've sorely overestimated his chances of actually beating her. She may be considered the most divisive force in politics, but I think Bush and Co have pretty much ruined any shot for the Republicans this year.

Though if it's Clinton vs. McCain, I think I might just stay home and get drunk.

If it comes down to Clinton VS McCain..I think I'll outsorce myself to Mexico.

he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.


Either that or his conception of the world has been formed by his upbringing in a staunchly military (specifically naval) family, and the culture associated therewith. A worldview that was staunchly reaffirmed by several years spent at the mercy of some NVA guys in Hanoi. You don't come out of that sort of...evil...without have a bleaker look on humanity. If nothing else, this means that a McCain Presidency will give us absolute bans on torture, once and for all.

Can I blame him for seeing blackness and enemies around every corner? Not all that much, but perhaps this worldview might also induce him to be willing to play nicer with, and value our friends (and their opinions) more than G-dumb has.

He's hardly a sycophant to G-dumb.

Either that or his conception of the world has been formed by his upbringing in a staunchly military (specifically naval) family, and the culture associated therewith. A worldview that was staunchly reaffirmed by several years spent at the mercy of some NVA guys in Hanoi. You don't come out of that sort of...evil...without have a bleaker look on humanity. If nothing else, this means that a McCain Presidency will give us absolute bans on torture, once and for all.
McCain has been brow beaten on that for 8 years by Bush, beginning where his credibility was ripped apart in the first election. He might be able to take a stand on it as president, but up to now it's like "uhh, ok you can torture, but don't use 'real' torture."

It doesn't matter at all. It's just the age old motto: Same Sh*t, Different Name.

I've never seen sycophant (SIH-ko-fant) spelled with a P and a second H, but my initial reaction tempered when I realized that psychophant (SIGH-ko-fant) would mean not only an ass-kisser, but a crazy MF as well. Nice neologism!

It doesn't matter at all. It's just the age old motto: Same Sh*t, Different Name.

Or, in it's modern, South Park incarnation, "douche or turd".

I've never seen sycophant (SIH-ko-fant) spelled with a P and a second H, but my initial reaction tempered when I realized that psychophant (SIGH-ko-fant) would mean not only an ass-kisser, but a crazy MF as well. Nice neologism!
Yes, it was totally on purpose >_>

According to The Guardian, Edwards is dropping out as well.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/johnedwards/story/0,,2249245,00.html)

Or, in it's modern, South Park incarnation, "douche or turd".

LOL! :p

Yeah, but it's kinda sad. Everybody is talking about this being the best elections the US has ever had. On one side you have a young newbie who is somewhat charismatic versus a grand old lady of a (by now) well established political family versus a strange veteran who is in his seventies, a mormon and a bass player.

I mean, what the hell! One if these people is going to run the sole superpower (yes the US is still the only superpower in the world) of planet earth!

Whoever wins, everybody loses:)

Except for satirists. Though they're losing Bush.

According to The Guardian, Edwards is dropping out as well.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/johnedwards/story/0,,2249245,00.html)

I guess Mr. $400 haircut couldn't cut it hehe, but he feels pretty!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

That is assuming Clinton wins super tuesday, which is a stretch imo. And it also depends on who Edwards throws his delegets behind.


However, would the Democratic party be that stupid if she hypotheticall did win? Yes. Theyre the democratic party. Stupid is their MO.


EDIT: Hey, just because I vote democract doesnt mean I cant see that their party leadership sucks

I guess Mr. $400 haircut couldn't cut it hehe, but he feels pretty!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

Seriously? "Mr. $400 haircut?" That parroting of Sean Hannity is all you bring to the table? Wow. That's low grade, even for you.

Do you honestly think that any other candidate from any other party has ever bought drugstore-brand shampoo or had their hair trimmed at SuperCuts (or name your local mass-prduction coiffery)? Good Lord, the guy grew up poor. If you were fortunate enough to get educated and land in a high-paying profession, don't you think you might sample a luxury or two, just to see what all the fuss was about?

I'm not saying that's what Edwards did, but you can't sit there and tell me that no other Republican or no other Democrat have gross luxury expenditures in their past, or even their present.

Seriously? "Mr. $400 haircut?" That parroting of Sean Hannity is all you bring to the table? Wow. That's low grade, even for you.
All neoconservatives run on is pundit speech. Like that guy they interviewed in Florida made his vote decision based on something Anne Coulter said.

I guess Mr. $400 haircut couldn't cut it hehe, but he feels pretty!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

Wow, seriously? Word for word in two threads, the same nonsense? Really? Are you that bankrupt of ideas that you have to repeat someone elses joke twice in one sitting?

All neoconservatives run on is pundit speech. Like that guy they interviewed in Florida made his vote decision based on something Anne Coulter said.

Oh, holy balls. That's weep-worthy.

Oh, holy balls. That's weep-worthy.Yeah. You can still harbor the hope that the most hopeless case here is only a troll making use of internet anonymity...

Neocons arent smart. Everyone knows that.

Wow, seriously? Word for word in two threads, the same nonsense? Really? Are you that bankrupt of ideas that you have to repeat someone elses joke twice in one sitting?

LOL -- I called that in the Edwards thread. It is to laugh.

Since Guiliani dedicated everything he had to Florida and got hosed by McCain and Romney, we have lost 9/11, I mean Bush-lite, I mean Guiliani from the race. The problem is everyone seems to have suddenly forgotten why they didn't like McCain - he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.

Since it is looking like McCain is going to win the nomination (which is sad because he got hosed by Bush Sr for the past 8 years, let's all thank Romney being Mormon), would the Democratic party be stupid enough to put Clinton in the main running (regardless of if she won Super Tuesday)?

Great. McCain doesn't even know whether he wears Depends or not, and he likely will win the election. This sucks big anus. :(

Great. McCain doesn't even know whether he wears Depends or not, and he likely will win the election. This sucks big anus. :(



Why does everyone think McCain is going to win? He kisses Bush's scrotum, many people dont trust him, and he doesnt have a prayer of winning over any dems, and Obama can win more independents than him.

Why does everyone think McCain is going to win? He kisses Bush's scrotum, many people dont trust him, and he doesnt have a prayer of winning over any dems, and Obama can win more independents than him.

He's got a chance against Clinton, her divisiveness would work in his favor. But other than that, no, he hasn't got much of a chance.

Oh, I know he will win because 1) He is seen as moderate, a former member of the military, and he seems like the all american candidate.Exactly: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant...

Wait a minute... He wasn't born in the US! Can he even be President?

Why does everyone think McCain is going to win? He kisses Bush's scrotum, many people dont trust him, and he doesnt have a prayer of winning over any dems, and Obama can win more independents than him.

Oh, I know he will win because 1) He is seen as moderate, a former member of the military, and he seems like the all american candidate.

It comes down to McCain vs Clinton, I'd have to give it some serious thought but I think I'd go for McCain.

If it comes down to McCain vs Clinton, I'm immigrating to Canada damnit.

Oh, I know he will win because 1) He is seen as moderate, a former member of the military, and he seems like the all american candidate.


WAS seen as a moderate. At the begining of the campaign whent hey started having the conservative-off for who was the biggest bigoted fascist he started to show his true colores, or he was playing to a base.


Either way, hes not moderate anymore. Now all he does is glue his lips firmly to Bush's ass. I swear, I wouldnt be suprised of Cheney was his running mate and he filled his cabinet with everyone from Bush's.

Oh, I know he will win because 1) He is seen as moderate, a former member of the military, and he seems like the all american candidate.
Sure, he is moderate compared to Clinton, but put him up against Obama and we are going to have photos of him schmoozing with his extremist religious crackpot buddies going around.

If it comes down to McCain vs Clinton, I'm immigrating to Canada damnit.

Put those two together and I'll probably just suck it up and vote for Clinthulu.

Why vote for a lesser evil?

Nothing, is what happens. Guilliani never had a chance. Edwards also had no chance, but the fact that he sucked up a lot of the white, middle-class vote that'll now probably go to Clinton means that she'll become the Democratic candidate.

Which is fucking lame. Seriously, 20+ years of the same families in power?

Now all he does is glue his lips firmly to Bush's ass. I swear, I wouldnt be suprised of Cheney was his running mate and he filled his cabinet with everyone from Bush's.

Actually, I think John McCain has immense character and is true to his principles. The fact that these principles sometimes lead him to agreeing with the man we chose to lead the country does not make him an ass-kisser.
Besides, if McCain WAS just trying to win a popularity contest, the last thing he would ever want to do would be to get Cheney behind him. Maybe you wouldn't be, but I would be very surprised if that happened.
When I confront most Bush-haters about why they hate Bush, they tend to say: "Because he's a jerk," or something to that effect, but one or two of the smarter ones have said: "Cheney's the evil behind the throne." McCain wouldn't want to lose the "Cheney is evil" vote.
Aside from that, I think John McCain has been pretty blunt in his opposition to Bush on at least one issue. Remember his "day at the beach" attack?
Plus, John McCain has a son overseas. If you're curious about his motives.

Since Guiliani dedicated everything he had to Florida and got hosed by McCain and Romney, we have lost 9/11, I mean Bush-lite, I mean Guiliani from the race. The problem is everyone seems to have suddenly forgotten why they didn't like McCain - he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.

Since it is looking like McCain is going to win the nomination (which is sad because he got hosed by Bush Sr for the past 8 years, let's all thank Romney being Mormon), would the Democratic party be stupid enough to put Clinton in the main running (regardless of if she won Super Tuesday)?

As a Giuliani supporter, I find rants like this more persuasive to change my vote to McCain than anything the McCain campaign could come up with.

I am SO going to enjoy watching the Donkocrats crash and burn come November, if for no other reason than to have four more years of NSG Republican Derangement Syndrome to laugh at :D

I love the BBC's description of McCain vis a vis the Evangelical wing of Republicans:
"Sod you" attitude

Exactly: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant...

Wait a minute... He wasn't born in the US! Can he even be President?

Yes he was

As a Giuliani supporter, I find rants like this more persuasive to change my vote to McCain than anything the McCain campaign could come up with.

I am SO going to enjoy watching the Donkocrats crash and burn come November, if for no other reason than to have four more years of NSG Republican Derangement Syndrome to laugh at :D

And when Obama wins the election, we're going to have huge amounts of fun laughing our asses off at you. It'll be lots of fun.

He was born in Panama FTW!

McCain was born on August 29, 1936 in Panama at the Coco Solo Air Base in the then American-controlled Panama Canal Zone
You lose. Even had it not been American controlled, being born on an airbase--considered national U.S. soil--would have made him a naturally born citizen.

Knights of Liberty: I mean even more so. You know, in that fun way when you're in the right AND in power.

He was born in Panama FTW!

And when Obama wins the election, we're going to have huge amounts of fun laughing our asses off at you. It'll be lots of fun.

You mean we already dont laugh our asses off at him?

Since Guiliani dedicated everything he had to Florida and got hosed by McCain and Romney, we have lost 9/11, I mean Bush-lite, I mean Guiliani from the race. The problem is everyone seems to have suddenly forgotten why they didn't like McCain - he supports everything Bush does. Troops in Iraq forever? You bet. First strikes against random nations? Damn straight.

Wow. ;)

McCain-Bush Sycophancy score card:

For:

-Supported Iraq War
-Supports War on Terror
-Supports Patriot Act (?)

Against:

-Bush Tax Cuts (though he now claims he isn't.)
-Immigration Reform
-Campaign Finance Reform

Largely Neutral/Treated as Politically Convenient:

-Social Issues
-Environmental Issues
-Gun Ownership

In other words, McCain scores approximately the same on measures of Bush Sycophancy as none other then HILLARY CLINTON! :D



Giuliani-Bush Sycophancy Score Card:

For:

-Iraq War
-War on Terror
-Patriot Act
-Bush Tax Cuts

Against:

-Immigration Law (Now claims he isn't)
-Gun Ownership
-Bush's Rabid Congressional Spending Habits, especially with regards to subsidizing industries.
-Rudy is Pro-Gay Rights
-Rudy is Pro-Choice

Largely Neutral:

-Environmental Policy
-Tort/Business Regulation
-Mass-Transit

Rudy Giuliani scores slightly higher on the for but also slightly higher on the against then McCain.

But then again, I guess if anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sycophant... ;)

But then again, I guess if anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sycophant... ;)

Pantless likes to claim such ridiculous things. He'd be a leftist(in the American sense) New Mitanni except that he's occasionally right.

I don't oppose John McCain because he's a Bush sycophant, when he's not. I oppose him because his policies and stances will push this country further in the wrong direction.

Obama's not perfect--not even close--but he's a damned good start.

You mean we already dont laugh our asses off at him?

Laugh all you want. We'll see who laughs last :p

BTW: the only way B. Hussein Obama will see the inside of the White House is as a paying tourist. :D

Of course the democrats would be stupid if they put up Clinton has their nominee.
You mean she wouldn't appeal to far-right minorities like yourself?

BTW: the only way B. Hussein Obama will see the inside of the White House is as a paying tourist. :D

He is a US Senator...

He is a US Senator...

You're talking to NM here, keep your expectations low...

Actually, I think John McCain has immense character and is true to his principles. The fact that these principles sometimes lead him to agreeing with the man we chose to lead the country does not make him an ass-kisser.

No it doesnt.

But supporting the man who devised such tactics as push polls, asking if your supposedly illegitimate black child would lessen a potential voters opinion of you...indeed makes you an ass kisser.

Supporting, by wich I mean verbally endorsing Bush and the war in Iraq, even after denouncing it, makes him a hippocrite.

Seeking support from the near-fascist elements of the Christian-right, after never needing to deal with them in the past....makes him an ass-kisser.

The fact of the matter is, voting for either of them, is to vote for keeping things the same as they are now.

Fucked.







Besides, if McCain WAS just trying to win a popularity contest, the last thing he would ever want to do would be to get Cheney behind him. Maybe you wouldn't be, but I would be very surprised if that happened.
When I confront most Bush-haters about why they hate Bush, they tend to say: "Because he's a jerk," or something to that effect, but one or two of the smarter ones have said: "Cheney's the evil behind the throne." McCain wouldn't want to lose the "Cheney is evil" vote.
Aside from that, I think John McCain has been pretty blunt in his opposition to Bush on at least one issue. Remember his "day at the beach" attack?
Plus, John McCain has a son overseas. If you're curious about his motives.[/QUOTE]

You mean she wouldn't appeal to far-right minorities like yourself?

Considering the fact that I am looking at Obama in the General Election...

You mean she wouldn't appeal to far-right minorities like yourself?

If we're going to be talking about far-whatever political minorities, look at yourself, Stalin-boy.

B. Hussein Obama

...that's it? That's your best shot? Pandering to the "zOMG! Similar names to teh ebil!" crowd?

But then again, I guess if anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sycophant... ;)

He's not a sycophant for his positions but for his actions. He may think Bush is the biggest idiot in Washington, but he has been kissing his ass even since Bush Co hosed his credibility by questioning his mental fitness back in the first election run. Then McCain has also been pandering to the religious nutsos too, but that's another topic.

He's not a sycophant for his positions but for his actions. He may think Bush is the biggest idiot in Washington, but he has been kissing his ass even since Bush Co hosed his credibility by questioning his mental fitness back in the first election run. Then McCain has also been pandering to the religious nutsos too, but that's another topic.

If by "pandering" you mean "trying to watch his mouth and not unnecessarily anger a big part of the Republican alliance."

If by "pandering" you mean "trying to watch his mouth and not unnecessarily anger a big part of the Republican alliance."

He denounced the religious right base of the party as taking it off track, mentioned Pat Robertson by name, then spoke at Robertsons college. It's more than just 'watching his mouth'...

If by "pandering" you mean "trying to watch his mouth and not unnecessarily anger a big part of the Republican alliance."
By pandering I mean pandering. Paling around with the likes of Falwell/Robertson telling the congregation how they are really his people.

By pandering I mean pandering. Paling around with the likes of Falwell/Robertson telling the congregation how they are really his people.
Yeah, that was the "Hitler handshake" for me (an old reference: Edward VIII aka "the Duke of Windsor" had a lot of sympathy in England after he abdicated for the love of Wallis Simpson; then Wallis talked him into a trip to Germany and his popularity went ppppffft). I voted for McCain in 2000 (the Democratic nomination was all locked up, and Michigan is an open-primary, so I was one of those "crossovers" who voted on the Republican side to block Bush), but I can't consider voting for him again after the "Liberty University" visit.

...that's it? That's your best shot? Pandering to the "zOMG! Similar names to teh ebil!" crowd?

Did you somehow expect more?

Either that or his conception of the world has been formed by his upbringing in a staunchly military (specifically naval) family, and the culture associated therewith. A worldview that was staunchly reaffirmed by several years spent at the mercy of some NVA guys in Hanoi. You don't come out of that sort of...evil...without have a bleaker look on humanity. If nothing else, this means that a McCain Presidency will give us absolute bans on torture, once and for all.

Can I blame him for seeing blackness and enemies around every corner? Not all that much, but perhaps this worldview might also induce him to be willing to play nicer with, and value our friends (and their opinions) more than G-dumb has.

He's hardly a sycophant to G-dumb.

I like McCain the best out of the Repubs, because whatever you think of his policies, he is a man of principles. When he was a POW in 'nam, after about a year (I could be wrong) he was offered early release because his father was a high ranking naval officer. This is around 70-71. He refused, saying unless all his fellow prisoners got to leave with him, he wasn't going anywhere. He rotted in the prison until the end of the war. That's the kind of guy I want leading the country.

That and I agree with his policies (except the social ones)

Giuliani is not Bush-lite, Bush is Guiliani-lite.

Ghouliani is far more power hungry, fascist, authoritarian, pro-war, and generally assholish than even Shrub is.

Giuliani is not Bush-lite, Bush is Guiliani-lite.

Ghouliani is far more power hungry, fascist, authoritarian, pro-war, and generally assholish than even Shrub is.

I'll agree with that, I mean this is still the 'Islam is peace' Bush, I mean even if he didn't mean it could you honestly see Ghouliani saying that?

Ghouliani policies:

Create two Americas, 1 is the nice cities for people who get their income from capital gains, the other is a virtual run down 'Neo Orleans' style country with poor homeless people everywhere.

Distract attention from above policy by constantly warmongering against foreign countries, and using the words '9/11', 'Muslims' and 'terrorists' at least 3 times in every sentence.

...that's it? That's your best shot? Pandering to the "zOMG! Similar names to teh ebil!" crowd?



Yes. Yes it was. Its NM. Did you expect more?

really? you guys took a friggin MAYOR as a serious candidate? the fat that he bet it all on a state that could only seat half its delegates should make it evident that he wasnt a serious candidate. Pick a name? list one of the Repubs, who would you most like to be nominated, or are you just going to complain about everyone of them (which i assume is the truth even if not the answer). you want Romney, the businessman who claims to be able to solve the economy, yet at the same time says he'll get michigan its auto jobs back? How about Huckabee, the reverend who...... wait, is there anything else about him? or perhaps Ron "Ill destroy everyting the US has done since WWII" Paul, i mean seriouisly, what does he have against NATO, NATO has only worked for us? I mean maybe you were a huge Fred thompson fan and wanted to give all powers to the states and cut all federal taxes. Oh, i almost forgot Duncan "who am I?" hunter! Pick one! i dare ye!

At least McCain would get the job done right. I'd vote for him, especially over Hillary.

If it comes down to Clinton VS McCain..I think I'll outsorce myself to Mexico.

Maybe you should do it now while the dollar is still worth more than the peso.

Giuliani is not Bush-lite, Bush is Guiliani-lite.

Ghouliani is far more power hungry, fascist, authoritarian, pro-war, and generally assholish than even Shrub is.

But he doesn't wrap it all in a veneer of piety. Bush puts the ice pick in a paper bag so that you'll think he brought you donuts right up until he stabs you with it. Giuliani just advances menacingly with the ice pick and tells everyone else that he's just going to get some ice for the drinks.

It comes down to McCain vs Clinton, I'd have to give it some serious thought but I think I'd go for McCain.

Ditto.

Well, minus the serious thought, that is. :p

Giuliani is not Bush-lite, Bush is Guiliani-lite.

Ghouliani is far more power hungry, fascist, authoritarian, pro-war, and generally assholish than even Shrub is.

Yeah yeah yeah... Look, regardless of what you will say about some of the things Giuliani did to achieve what he achieved in New York, the vast majority of people, including poor people, are happy that they can walk their streets safely and actually get a job, both of which were very difficult before Giuliani came in. People were leaving New York in massive numbers, Time Square was a center for prostitution, and Mannhattan was one of the most dangerous places in the world. It's now one of America's safest cities, which is incredible, considering how crowded it is.

In fact, I would say that the New York before Giuliani was far more exploitive, as it gave people just barely enough to take their teeth out against the government and then sent them out on to the streets without a prayer of being able to sustain themselves beyond that to be ripped apart by the machinery of petty and organized crime, while a small number of rich people got to feel good about themselves, see their rent drop, and have less competition for the small number of high paying jobs that remained.

It takes a lot to accomplish what Giuliani accomplished in 8 years, and some of it probably involves stepping on a few toes, but New York is far better off for having been through that. And anyways, the number of people who were hurt by this was probably no greater then the number of people who would've been heaved in to the east river by the crooks.