NationStates Jolt Archive

From my travels I would say the Chinese are either at the top or damn near it.

Conventional wisdom suggests that my fellow Americans are top dogs when it comes to being nationalistic (Meaning in this case the feeling that one's country is superior than every other one and that it can do no real wrong, even historically), but lately I've had to change my mind to say that Koreans take the cake. Namely I've run into Koreans who have a view of history that anyone who remotely fought for Korea was a hero worthy of song and will hear of nothing wrong against them.

So what do you think?
And as an experiment, let's see if NSG can debate a volatile topic without restoring to a flame fest.

I dunno...Denmark?

As an American, I can see both sides myself when people say Americans are the most nationalistic. In the area where I live, there are many who fly American flags proudly, would fight for the country, and who are incredibly proud of being an American. Personally, I love the country, and the 4th of July (the American Independence Day) is one of my favorite holidays.

However, there are many in the city i go to college in who act like our country is an embarrassment. I don't really like those people, but they exist, so you can't ignore them. However, I tend to think that the majority of Americans (especially those in more conservative areas, and also, curiously enough, a large number of immigrants) tend to be very nationalistic about America.

I don't know about China; they seem to be somewhere in the middle. However, Europe and Japan seem to be anti-nationalist to me, while other countries with a strong sense of nationalism are Israel, many Latin American countries, and recently Russia.

No contest, Koreans, just ask a Korean they'll set you straight.

From my experiance everybody is nationalistic. Americans, Canadians, Japanese, Chinese, Europians...


I dont think any one country is "the most".

The Japanese, from what I've heard.

And the large number of Koreans where I live are rather un-nationalistic.

I would have nominated my native Philippines but most Filipinos' nationalism is just superficial crap.. Filipinos can be seen beating one's breast and shouting out his pride while making plans to immigrate to the US or Europe and work in a nursing home washing old people's asses..

Probably North Korea or something, they have all that "dear leader" shit.

Not so much in the Middle East, most of those people care more about Islam than the nation itself.

America though suffers under the delusion of freedom worse than anyone else.

From my experience the Celtic Nations of the United Kingdom...The Irish Scottish and Welsh are very proud...probably accentuated by the English fucking them all over at some point...

Americans are only nationalistic around 4th of july...when it comes to actually doing something useful for our country we're all talk no action

example: myself (for the second part at least)

North Korea. They've turned nationalism into a religion.

The UK, on the quiet.
You got the last bit right.

The UK, on the quiet.

Your average North Korean is more nationalistic than anyone else....OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, North Koreans are pretty much required to be uber-nationalistic.

The UK is probably the least nationalistic of all nations.


Not judging by any Brits Ive ever met...all I hear is how the UK is better than America in almost every way they can think of...its half in jest...but only half ;)

The UK is probably the least nationalistic of all nations.

Not judging by any Brits Ive ever met...all I hear is how the UK is better than America in almost every way they can think of...its half in jest...but only half ;)

I'm British and nationalistic but the truth is the nation is just apathetic. With children running wild on the streets and the politicians making sad faces at us.

out of my encounters the Maltese and pretty much every other nation that hasn't had the whole global empire thing

you see like all activities that involve effort nobody will to work hard for that long before giving up and having a tea break ;)

With children running wild on the streets

no your thinking of Italy

out of my encounters the Maltese and pretty much every other nation that hasn't had the whole global empire thing

you see like all activities that involve effort nobody will to work hard for that long before giving up and having a tea break ;)



no your thinking of Italy

No I'm think of the UK, very certain about that fact.

No I'm think of the UK, very certain about that fact.
Err, no, you're just wrong.

From my experience the Celtic Nations of the United Kingdom...The Irish Scottish and Welsh are very proud...probably accentuated by the English fucking them all over at some point...
We English are not allowed to be even remotely nationalistic. Anyone who claims that he/she is proud to be English or flies the English flag is immediately denounced as a racist.
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We English are not allowed to be even remotely nationalistic. Anyone who claims that he/she is proud to be English or flies the English flag is immediately denounced as a racist.
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Oh, brother...

No I'm think of the UK, very certain about that fact.

pfft British children just hang out in dodgy clubs and sit in their rooms smoking very bad weed

do you seriously expect Chubbies in sportswear to be running around anywhere :p

Are you living in a fantasy world or what...
*looks out window*

Nope, can't see any feral children. Perhaps they've just skittered off to the sewers.

We English are not allowed to be even remotely nationalistic. Anyone who claims that he/she is proud to be English or flies the English flag is immediately denounced as a racist.
:confused:

why would you want to fly the English flag anyway? I mean its hideous and ridiculously tacky (to the level where we end up looking like a clone of the Galactic empire)

of course the only alternative is a crappy blue flag with some stars sprinkled on

How does that differ from the United States? The only time you can speak ill of a soldier or veteran is when they're running for a political office,

The sheer amount of truth in this comment hurts me so.

Namely I've run into Koreans who have a view of history that anyone who remotely fought for Korea was a hero worthy of song and will hear of nothing wrong against them.


How does that differ from the United States? The only time you can speak ill of a soldier or veteran is when they're running for a political office,

Err, no, you're just wrong.

Are you living in a fantasy world or what...

We English are not allowed to be even remotely nationalistic. Anyone who claims that he/she is proud to be English or flies the English flag is immediately denounced as a racist.
:confused:

To true..

I'd say North Korea, with Serbia and Russia coming in joint second.

Japan isn't nearly as nationalistic as it was 50 years ago, for obvious reasons. Although one of the core tenets of Uber Nationalism, Xenophobia, is rampant.

As long as it is not the United States of Stupid's people who are being nationalistic, it doesnt matter. After all, everyone has a right to be proud of and support their country, except United Stupidians.

pfft British children just hang out in dodgy clubs and sit in their rooms smoking very bad weed

do you seriously expect Chubbies in sportswear to be running around anywhere :p

Thats a rather deluded and cushioned view.

China probably. Americans are the best at fake nationalism.

A few years back I read a study which claimed that Americans were the most patriotic, although Venezuela was a close second. I think patriotic and nationalistic are rather similar.

Probably France and Japan are at the top of the list.

Well, every nation has some nationalistic citizens..else that nation would not be there...

Can't say which one has the most...Americans wave more flags than many other people amd are quick to throw un-American, anti-American labels....Chinese have been brought up on a high dose of nationalistic propaganda, some nations have to hype it up to survive like NKorea and SKorea, some mix ethnic pride in that like Turks, Russians, Bangladeshis...some mix religion in that like Pakistanis...

China probably. Americans are the best at fake nationalism.

Here we call that !Fationalism!

Either the Chinese, Japanese or Koreans.

Either the Chinese, Japanese or Koreans.

Having friends in all three categories, I feel comfortable saying this, a little bit of wisdom I've gained from hanging out with Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, not meant to be taken as racist in any way shape form or fashion (nobody I know has yet, but on the internet, you have to be careful).
a person not of Asiatic decent usually finds it difficult to see the difference between Chinese, Japanese or Koreans, if this is you (as once it was me) it is in your best interest to make the assumption that anybody you meet who could be one of those three is Korean.
It is my experience, that if you make the mistake of calling a Japanese person Korean or Chinese, they will politely correct you. If you mistakenly believe a Chinese individual to be Korean or Japanese, they might informally correct you. If however, you make the egregious mistake of implying a Korean that he or she might be in fact of Chinese, or worse yet, Japanese. Their is a distinct possibility they will immediately punch you in the face without any sort of warning, at best, they will immediately and at great length discuss the various political, economic, societal and racial implications of your great insult.

In conclusion, nobody is more Nationalistic than your average Korean whether from the North or South of that region.

Usa.

NERVUN: since I can't do a "new thread" on Jolt, and thus reneged on my promise to you in the "whaling" to start one about Japanese attitudes towards World War II, maybe this would be an appropriate place to ask you? We hear about the Yasukuni shrine, and the WWII apologists who say dreadful things like "the Korean comfort women were all just whores who were grateful to be given steady employment"; I have taken it for granted that these are the lunatic fringe of ultra-nationalists (although Prime Ministerial visits to Yasukuni are very worrisome signs), but I have also taken it for granted that they represented just the most extreme results from a general unwillingness in Japan to really grapple with the dark in their past. You assured me that there has been much more soul-searching in Japan than I give credit for. Would you like to expand?

Conventional wisdom suggests that my fellow Americans are top dogs when it comes to being nationalistic

Of the countries I've visited, I'd say the Swiss are very, very nationalistic - but they manage somehow to be so without too much arrogance.
From what I get from the media, the USA win.
From what I see among the immigrant community here in Milan, I'd say that the Chinese win - they even paraded through the streets waving PRC flags to protest against a prospected no-traffic area.

Nationalism is a mental disorder, it blinds you to reality and imposes a subjective worldview from a narrow perspective, I have never known such a phenomenon as nationalism to make people think your country is the superior to others just because you happened to be born in it, you can see people's eyes and critical thinking literally leaves them. It reminds me of the pro-Americans these days still saying the USA is the best country in the world like it's 1950, without bother to look at the global lists that put America WAY down in many areas.

Seriously, I think nationalism should be listed as a mental disorder, and people suffering from this afflication can take therapy sessions to confront this psychological disorder and to think rationally and logically.

So what do you think?
And as an experiment, let's see if NSG can debate a volatile topic without restoring to a flame fest.Hard to say. The three I can think of off the top of my head that would be in good positions are the United States, the Russian Federation, and the Peoples' Republic of China. But that's because I know little to nothing about nationalist sentiments in African countries, or whether tribal "nationalism" should be considered nationalism. And then there's Israel and all the Arab countries...

There isn't really a good way to measure the Gross Nationalist Index of a country.

From my experience the Celtic Nations of the United Kingdom...The Irish Scottish and Welsh are very proud...probably accentuated by the English fucking them all over at some point...

We enjoyed doing it as well.

I have to say, the Welsh are pretty nationalistic given they've nothing to say for themselves - 800 years of doing squat all as far as I can see and they're a proud nation.

There's an argument that Scots contributed enormously to Britain's success, what there was of it, and the Irish...well you have to admire their difficult nature.

Yet Wales, male voice choirs and a rugby team that won something in the 70's - fantastic stuff.

I'm somewhat surprised nobody mentioned Poles and Lithuanians yet...

Nationalism goes hand-in-hand with ignorance. In general the most nationalistic people are those who have actually never been out of their country. Case in point: USA, China, Russia on the nationalistic side, Europeans on the other side. By travelling you will see both the pro's and con's of your own country. Blindly saying that your country is superior based on what you have been told and never actually having done any kind of research to build up a case, is just pure stupidity IMO. Furthermore, it can actually be dangerous; take the German social-nationalist political movement of Adolf Hitler for example, that was built up around the idea that Germany was superior to anyone and its people were claimed to be genetically superior to any other race.
Luckily most cases of nationalism are not dangerous, and merely a funny expression of bleonging to a community. Look at Europeans turning nationalistic during the FIFA football world cup!:cool:

Nationalism USUALLY goes hand-in-hand with ignorance. In general the most nationalistic people are those who have actually never been out of their country. Case in point: USA, China, Russia on the nationalistic side, Europeans on the other side. By travelling you will see both the pro's and con's of your own country. Blindly saying that your country is superior based on what you have been told and never actually having done any kind of research to build up a case, is just pure stupidity IMO. Furthermore, it can actually be dangerous; take the German social-nationalist political movement of Adolf Hitler for example, that was built up around the idea that Germany was superior to anyone and its people were claimed to be genetically superior to any other race.
Luckily most cases of nationalism are not dangerous, and merely a funny expression of bleonging to a community. Look at Europeans turning nationalistic during the FIFA football world cup!:cool:

Fixed.

Nationalism is a term referring to a doctrine[1] or political movement[2] that holds that a nation—usually defined in terms of ethnicity or culture—has the right to constitute an independent or autonomous political community based on a shared history and common destiny.[3]

Sue me, I quoted that from wikipedia.

If you're proud of being an American/Japan/German/Mars/Gondwanaland citizen, does that mean that you also belittle other nations and its citizens?

Nationalism doesn't always mean "My nation is better than yours nyah nyah". That's the perverted kind called chauvinistic nationalism, or facism. Oh yes, I don't disagree that nationalism can be easily perverted, but I do support reasonable nationalism, the "Don't tread on me and we can all be friends" kind of nationalism.

If you're proud of being an American/Japan/German/Mars/Gondwanaland citizen, does that mean that you also belittle other nations and its citizens?

Nationalism doesn't always mean "My nation is better than yours nyah nyah". That's the perverted kind called chauvinistic nationalism, or facism. Oh yes, I don't disagree that nationalism can be easily perverted, but I do support reasonable nationalism, the "Don't tread on me and we can all be friends" kind of nationalism.
Let's see what Johannes Rau, deceased former President of the Federal Republic of Germany, has to say:
Patriotism is the love for your own country, while nationalism is the hatred of all others.

Nationalism is a mental disorder, it blinds you to reality and imposes a subjective worldview from a narrow perspective, I have never known such a phenomenon as nationalism to make people think your country is the superior to others just because you happened to be born in it, you can see people's eyes and critical thinking literally leaves them. It reminds me of the pro-Americans these days still saying the USA is the best country in the world like it's 1950, without bother to look at the global lists that put America WAY down in many areas.

Seriously, I think nationalism should be listed as a mental disorder, and people suffering from this afflication can take therapy sessions to confront this psychological disorder and to think rationally and logically.

No, it is not a mental disorder.

I think pacifism is a mental disorder, and anyone suffering from it should be sent to the front lines, or sent to the ghetto. That'd weed out many weak links in society.

No, it is not a mental disorder.

I think pacifism is a mental disorder, and anyone suffering from it should be sent to the front lines, or sent to the ghetto. That'd weed out many weak links in society.

This is almost sigworthy.

for the lulz, naturally.

I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned India here. I used to work with a fair amount of Indian fellows, and they were pretty rabid in their national pride. I once mentioned that it would be nice to go to India or China, since they're two of the oldest cultures in the world, and I was very quickly and very whole-heartedly corrected, being told that India was most certainly the oldest culture in the world, and that if I want to go anywhere, it should be there. It also seems, from my limited experience, that Indians pride themselves on their intelligence and work ethic. The guys with whom I worked were always talking about how Indian programmers/technicians/specialists/what have you, especially ones who receive higher education in the US, are more talented and better at their jobs than those of other nationalities.

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Let's see what Johannes Rau, deceased former President of the Federal Republic of Germany, has to say:

Jean-Jacques Rousseau would rise up from his grave and pie him. Then again, I suspect the Germans are a bit paranoid when the word "nationalism" is used (especially if it's a ,god-forbid, socialist kind of nationalism). I think Johannes Rau is trying to gather a sense of belonging in the Germans while trying to avoid the use of the word "nationalism". It's like trying to say that a cow is not a bovine.

Patriotism is closely associated with nationalism, and the terms are often used synonymously. Strictly speaking, nationalism is an ideology - but it often promotes patriotic attitudes as desirable and appropriate. (Both nationalist political movements, and patriotic expression, may, yet need not, be negative towards other people's 'fatherland').

Then again, as usual, we are debating opinions, in the end, everything stays in the same stalemate.

Are you living in a fantasy world or what...
... no, we just don't have chickens roaming the streets. Not even in the countryside, they're kept in pens, basically.

Nationalism is a mental disorder, it blinds you to reality and imposes a subjective worldview from a narrow perspective, I have never known such a phenomenon as nationalism to make people think your country is the superior to others just because you happened to be born in it, you can see people's eyes and critical thinking literally leaves them. It reminds me of the pro-Americans these days still saying the USA is the best country in the world like it's 1950, without bother to look at the global lists that put America WAY down in many areas.

Seriously, I think nationalism should be listed as a mental disorder, and people suffering from this afflication can take therapy sessions to confront this psychological disorder and to think rationally and logically.

:p

Everyone is nationalistic to a certain extent, if only enjoying the culture and language as that is what they are used to. It is taken too far often in sporting events and politics.

In Europe, the French have always been known as wanting to be different, generally from Germany-Austria.

Most people that I met while studying in Eastern Europe thought Russian's were the worst nationalistic people. They would through their money around and act liked they owned the world. (Well they did in fact own East Europe at one time). I am sure Americans are pretty Nationalistic, esp. some losers from the South. But of people I really did not meet that were very friendly people from Italy. They might make some great food, but I don't know how many Italian teenagers I wanted to punch in the face when I was in Praha. (Prague).


(Would it be Nationalistic to be blasting the song "I’ am proud to be an America"


Lyrics follow:

If tomorrow all the things were gone I’d worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,

From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, there’s pride in every American heart,
and it’s time to stand and say:

I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

Belgum..it's all the fun of being in France..Without the French!:cool:

Nationalism is a mental disorder...
Nationalism goes hand-in-hand with ignorance...

Now isn't that putting it in too strong terms? I mean, it's human nature to divide everyone into "us" and "them" and it doesn't necessarily mean that by loving the "us" you have to hate "them".. Maybe for the developed countries nationalism brings back old memories of imperialism or chauvinism.. in most other countries, nationalism or the lack of it keeps them from becoming developed..

Nationalism doesn't always mean "My nation is better than yours nyah nyah". That's the perverted kind called chauvinistic nationalism, or facism. Oh yes, I don't disagree that nationalism can be easily perverted, but I do support reasonable nationalism, the "Don't tread on me and we can all be friends" kind of nationalism.

You tell 'em dude..

The Vatican, of course. They seriously believe their top man is the infallible representative of God on earth.

Norway.

We are the Korean in the story about China, Japan and Korea, only if the story was about Denmark, Sweden and Norway.

God bless Norway. Greatest nation on earth.

I think patriotic and nationalistic are rather similar.
Yes, like chair and electric chair. :)
I think Americans aren't very nationalistic - the have a lot to be justly proud for. Similarly Chinese. Russians, in a way, too (although they paid terrible price for their achievements). I think Koreans are overly nationalistic without having too much to boast about.

I'm somewhat surprised nobody mentioned Poles and Lithuanians yet...
A lot of Poles are, but too much of them feel rather bitter about their country. And something like 30% of Polish people lives abroad, it's hard to hold unrealistic views about the homeland with such a big open window to the world.

Im an american, and I have nothing against americans, but americans need to shut the hell up about how their country is the best. And by the way, its not like were the only country that's free because many people act like its true

I am an American and I would say us due to all the propiganda we're fed. However, I had a close friend that was a Christian missionary to China and I have to say, America may be the most outspoken but China is the most nationalistic. They've held that title for thousands and thousands of years. In all reality I truly believe China is a historical marvel. They have more history and more true, genuine culture than anyone else.

I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned India here. I used to work with a fair amount of Indian fellows, and they were pretty rabid in their national pride. I once mentioned that it would be nice to go to India or China, since they're two of the oldest cultures in the world, and I was very quickly and very whole-heartedly corrected, being told that India was most certainly the oldest culture in the world, and that if I want to go anywhere, it should be there. It also seems, from my limited experience, that Indians pride themselves on their intelligence and work ethic. The guys with whom I worked were always talking about how Indian programmers/technicians/specialists/what have you, especially ones who receive higher education in the US, are more talented and better at their jobs than those of other nationalities.

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As an Indian-lite (son of two Indians, self-considered American), I'd pretty much agree with you. Except my dad. He has a very low opinion of Indian attitudes. And yes, intelligence and work ethic are numero uno among Indians.

The Vatican, of course. They seriously believe their top man is the infallible representative of God on earth.

LOL

NERVUN: since I can't do a "new thread" on Jolt, and thus reneged on my promise to you in the "whaling" to start one about Japanese attitudes towards World War II, maybe this would be an appropriate place to ask you? We hear about the Yasukuni shrine, and the WWII apologists who say dreadful things like "the Korean comfort women were all just whores who were grateful to be given steady employment"; I have taken it for granted that these are the lunatic fringe of ultra-nationalists (although Prime Ministerial visits to Yasukuni are very worrisome signs), but I have also taken it for granted that they represented just the most extreme results from a general unwillingness in Japan to really grapple with the dark in their past. You assured me that there has been much more soul-searching in Japan than I give credit for. Would you like to expand?
TG'd the answer.

A few years back I read a study which claimed that Americans were the most patriotic, although Venezuela was a close second. I think patriotic and nationalistic are rather similar.

Patriotic: Willing to die for your country.
Nationalistic: Willing to kill for it.

I just made those definitions up, but they're kind of true and have a nice parallelism thing going on. Actually, I think nationalism is the belief that your country (or people) are superior to others, while patriotism is just simple love of your country. In theory, someone could be patriotic while preferring another country to their own.
As for most nationalistic people: there are some uber-nationalist scattered across Central Europe (to the point where they call themselves Nationalists), but if you were to take a national average, I'd say the US would be the highest, barring places such as North Korea where nationalism is written into law. It's not that Americans are more ignorant or less tolerant than other countries, but we have a few advantages/problems:

We're a huge world power.
We're bordered by Mexico and Canada, which while very nice, don't really threaten to put us down a peg.
So far (knock on wood), America has not been led to complete disaster thanks to nationalism, especially compared to places such as Germany or even France.

:p

Everyone is nationalistic to a certain extent, if only enjoying the culture and language as that is what they are used to. It is taken too far often in sporting events and politics.

In Europe, the French have always been known as wanting to be different, generally from Germany-Austria.

I am not nationalistic in the least, I would never willingly decide opinions based on artificial barriers.

Patriotic: Willing to die for your country.
Nationalistic: Willing to kill for it.

I just made those definitions up, but they're kind of true and have a nice parallelism thing going on. Actually, I think nationalism is the belief that your country (or people) are superior to others, while patriotism is just simple love of your country. In theory, someone could be patriotic while preferring another country to their own.
As for most nationalistic people: there are some uber-nationalist scattered across Central Europe (to the point where they call themselves Nationalists), but if you were to take a national average, I'd say the US would be the highest, barring places such as North Korea where nationalism is written into law. It's not that Americans are more ignorant or less tolerant than other countries, but we have a few advantages/problems:

We're a huge world power.
We're bordered by Mexico and Canada, which while very nice, don't really threaten to put us down a peg.
So far (knock on wood), America has not been led to complete disaster thanks to nationalism, especially compared to places such as Germany or even France.


Being willing to kill for your country is the same as willing to die for it, in fact they go hand in hand. I would never participate in such rampant ignorance and sectarianism, humanity is one.

From my experience, I would say the USA.

As an Indian-lite (son of two Indians, self-considered American), I'd pretty much agree with you. Except my dad. He has a very low opinion of Indian attitudes. And yes, intelligence and work ethic are numero uno among Indians.

Well everything does come from India I suppose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEldpMQGfYE)

From my experiance everybody is nationalistic. Americans, Canadians, Japanese, Chinese, Europians...


I dont think any one country is "the most".

You mean Europeans?

Most Europeans are nationalistic about the country they live in but I think a very large percentage are less than happy with the European Union...

Americans, Scots and Russians are my votes for the most nationalistic.

We enjoyed doing it as well.

I have to say, the Welsh are pretty nationalistic given they've nothing to say for themselves - 800 years of doing squat all as far as I can see and they're a proud nation.

There's an argument that Scots contributed enormously to Britain's success, what there was of it, and the Irish...well you have to admire their difficult nature.

Yet Wales, male voice choirs and a rugby team that won something in the 70's - fantastic stuff.

Oh no...the Welsh didnt contribute much to UK society at all Barringtonia...we only had one of the biggest coal mining industries in the world and supplied coal for both industry and homes covering the UK and beyond...so didnt really contribute at all :rolleyes:

Well everything does come from India I suppose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEldpMQGfYE)

Ah, Goodness Gracious Me, it's hilarious, probably one of the funniest sketch shows around. Hmm, must see if I can find some episodes of it

Oh no...the Welsh didnt contribute much to UK society at all Barringtonia...we only had one of the biggest coal mining industries in the world and supplied coal for both industry and homes covering the UK and beyond...so didnt really contribute at all :rolleyes:
I'm not sure that's a good argument. Wales would have had just as much coal in the ground if there weren't any Welsh people there, right?

Definetly Americans...

Well everything does come from India I suppose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEldpMQGfYE)

Sad thing is I know a bastard at school who's racist against Indians.

Definetly Americans...

I wanna say Americans because other countries like China and Korea have laws against speaking out agains the government, so the citizens have no choice.

I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned India here. I used to work with a fair amount of Indian fellows, and they were pretty rabid in their national pride....

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I too have observed Indians who have become more nationalistic after they have come to the US. But then I also know Indians who trash India after they "escape" from there. So..:p

We English are not allowed to be even remotely nationalistic. Anyone who claims that he/she is proud to be English or flies the English flag is immediately denounced as a racist.
:confused:

hahah QFT

though there isn't exactly much to be proud about these days

Some (a lot of, most) African tribes can't stand each other. Think of the Rwanda genocides and Kenia and Zimbabwe, Sudan now,....
Is that also called nationalism or do u then call it tribalism or something?

i don't know who is the most nationalistic, but the americans export their nationalism like nobody else.

Good question. Contrary to what some have been saying, the chinese aren't that 'nationalistic' per se. They have a strong cultural tradition, but I wouldn't equate that to nationalism any more than the very same amongst Italians or Jews, for example.

Koreans and Japanese are both quite aloof, koreans more so than the Japanese, but both to a great extent. I find this to such a degree that you could mistake their utter disinterest in cultures outside their own as hostile in some way (which it isn't really, merely insular). That being said, their actual nationalism doesn't match their insularity. Not to say they aren't nationalistic, just not as nationalistic as they seem. Again, Koreans are more nationalistic than Japanese.

A funny example oft overlooked of a racial supremecist state ridden with nationalism is Malaysia. A seemingly nice country in aesthetic, the 'Malay' majority stands upon the necks of the chinese and indian minorities there- denying them a plentitude of rights and freedoms, whilst also extorting them to provide a lordly existence for every malay in the country. Getting back to the point, the foundation of the contemporary malaysian constitution is a doctrine called 'bumiputra' (translates to 'sons of the earth'), which details and secures the 'malay supremacy'.

The Nepalese are quite nationalistic, but also globally insignificant and thus often overlooked. Like the Koreans and arguably the Japanese, their nationalism comes from the frequent historical ravaging of their people by a larger agressive neighbour.

The French are quite nationalistic, in a redunadant and self-satisfying way. The greeks, lebanese, Palestinians, and Iranians (as well as the nationals from a host of run-down shitholes in the middle east and the Balkans) are all extremely proud of their once great backwaters- and profess much nationalism despite loathing their governments.

The British used to be nationalistic, back when they were cool. Like the Japanese.

And finally, who can forget America? I don't really need to elaborate.

Having friends in all three categories, I feel comfortable saying this, a little bit of wisdom I've gained from hanging out with Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, not meant to be taken as racist in any way shape form or fashion (nobody I know has yet, but on the internet, you have to be careful).
a person not of Asiatic decent usually finds it difficult to see the difference between Chinese, Japanese or Koreans, if this is you (as once it was me) it is in your best interest to make the assumption that anybody you meet who could be one of those three is Korean.
It is my experience, that if you make the mistake of calling a Japanese person Korean or Chinese, they will politely correct you. If you mistakenly believe a Chinese individual to be Korean or Japanese, they might informally correct you. If however, you make the egregious mistake of implying a Korean that he or she might be in fact of Chinese, or worse yet, Japanese. Their is a distinct possibility they will immediately punch you in the face without any sort of warning, at best, they will immediately and at great length discuss the various political, economic, societal and racial implications of your great insult.

In conclusion, nobody is more Nationalistic than your average Korean whether from the North or South of that region.
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Yes, well put. Nationalism, it seems, comes from chagrin at being raped and ravaged by others. Whilst China and Japan have been taking turns raping and ravaging each other for centuries, Korea was in the unfortunate position of getting double the sodomy by being right between the war path of either nation, meaining it'd cop it from the Chinese and the Japanese each and every time. Plus, with all of this pent up frustration, Korea never actually got to rape any of them back.

Japanese are Korean immigrants in fact. Just to make things clear.....

Go go Racist!

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Go go Racist!

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Who are u talking about?:confused: